Tuesday, January 3, 2012

Comparing Wisconsin offensive talent with Pitt offensive talent

The more pessimistic Pitt fans have already started saying that Pitt may get Paul Chryst, but that doesn't mean much because they aren't getting the Wisconsin players.  The interesting part of that argument is that overall Pitt has filled their team with better prospects than Wisconsin.  Chryst, and also Bob Bostad on the offensive line, have done wonders with much less talent than Pitt has.  The Wisconsin offensive staff turned these kids into great players and a great offense.  There is no guarantee that they could do the same at Pitt, but with more raw talent to work with, a Pitt fan would have to be crazy not to be excited about the possibilities.


WISCONSIN 2011

QB-  Russell Wilson-  Rivals 2 star rating- Chose NC State over Duke (only other major offer)-  33 touchdowns, 4 interceptions this season.

RB-  Montee Ball- Rivals 4 star rating (No. 33 RB)- Chose Wisconsin over Indiana, Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, Stanford, and Northwestern.  1,923 rushing yards, 33 rushing touchdowns, 24 catches, 6 receiving touchdowns.

TE-  Jacob Pedersen-  Rivals 2 star rating-  Chose Wisconsin over E.Michigan, N.Michigan, Minnesota-Duluth, and Michigan Tech. (yes, I'm serious).  29 catches, 8 touchdowns

WR-  Nick Toon-  Rivals 4 star rating-  Chose Wisconsin immediately after being offered and since his dad was a star for the Badgers, he had no other offers.  64 catches, 926 yards, 10 touchdowns.

WR-  Jared Abbrederis- Walk on-  55 catches, 933 yards, 8 touchdowns.

LT- Ricky Wagner- Walk on- Considered possible No. 1 draft pick in 2013.

LG-  Ryan Groy- Rivals 3 star rating- Committed early and had no other offers.

C-  Peter Konz- Rivals 4 star rating- Chose Wisconsin over Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Duke.  Considered possible first round pick either this year or next year.

RG- Travis Frederick- Rivals 3 star rating- Chose Wisconsin over Air Force, Navy, and North Dakota State.

RT-  Josh Oglesby- Rivals 5 star rating-  Chose Wisconsin over Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Iowa, Nebraska, Notre Dame.

PITT 2012 (projection)

QB- Tino Sunseri-  Rivals 3 star rating (No. 24 QB)- Chose Pittsburgh over Florida State, Louisville, Boston College, South Florida, S.Mississippi.

RB-  Ray Graham-  Rivals 4 star rating (No.11 RB)-  Chose Pittsburgh over South Carolina, Rutgers, Michigan State, NC State.

TE-  Hubie Graham-  Rivals 4 star rating-  Chose Illinois over Michigan, Michigan State, Florida, Florida State, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, Iowa, Virginia Tech, Wisconsin, Clemson, Syracuse, Minnesota, Virginia, and Rutgers.

WR-  Michael Shanahan- Rivals 3 star rating-  Chose Pittsburgh over Georgia Tech, Stanford, West Virginia, and Vanderbilt.

WR-  Devin Street-  Rivals 2 star rating-  Chose Pittsburgh over UConn, Temple, Akron, and E. Michigan.

LT-  Tom Ricketts- Rivals 4 star rating- Chose Penn State over Pittsburgh, Florida State, Stanford, Virginia, Illinois, Northwestern.

LG-  Chris Jacobson- Rivals 4 star rating- Committed early so WVU only other offer.

C-  Ryan Turnley- Rivals 2 star rating- Committed to Pittsburgh over Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Louisville.

RG-  Cory King- Rivals 3 star rating- Committed to Pittsburgh over Minnesota and Bowling Green.

RT-  Matt Rotheram- Rivals 3 star rating-  Chose Pittsburgh over Wisconsin, LSU, Michigan State, NC State, South Carolina.


PITT 2013 (projection)

QB-  Chad Voytik- Rivals 4 star rating (No. 4 QB)-  Chose Pittsburgh over Clemson, Virginia, Wake Forest, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State.

RB-  Rushel Shell- Rivals 4 star rating (No. 5 RB)- Chose Pittsburgh over Alabama, Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.

TE-  Anthony Gonzalez- Rivals 3 star QB-  Committed to Pittsburgh over Penn State, West Virginia, Clemson, Florida State, Cincinnati, Illinois, Oregon, Stanford.

WR-  Robert Foster- Rivals 5 star (projected)- top 3 WR prospect in the country.  Obviously he hasn't committed to Pitt yet but this is just a strong possibility.

WR-  Devin Street-  Rivals 2 star rating-  Chose Pittsburgh over UConn, Temple, Akron, and E. Michigan.

LT-  Tom Ricketts- Rivals 4 star rating- Chose Penn State over Pittsburgh, Florida State, Stanford, Virginia, Illinois, Northwestern.

LG-  Ryan Schlieper- Rivals 3 star rating- Chose Pittsburgh over West Virginia, Maryland, UConn, and UCF.

C-  Brandyn Cook-  Rivals 3 star rating- Chose Pittsburgh over Miami (OH)

RG-  Cory King- Rivals 3 star rating- Committed to Pittsburgh over Minnesota and Bowling Green.

RT-  Matt Rotheram- Rivals 3 star rating-  Chose Pittsburgh over Wisconsin, LSU, Michigan State, NC State, South Carolina.

OL Reserves-  Adam Bisnowaty (Rivals 4 star rating) and possibly Patrick Kugler (probable Rivals 4 star rating).

34 comments:

  1. Robert Foster would be a great addition. Why do think he's a strong possibility?

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  2. Well, he may not go to Pitt, but I can see Pitt being a finalist. And if I had to guess, I think he will end up at Pitt. I think Ohio State will be the only challenger for his services.

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  3. Although he's not mentioned in your blog, I can't help but think how snake-bitten Brock DeCicco must feel having left Pitt to avoid being lost in the "maggot from Texas' offensive system" and choosing to play for Chryst at Wisc, and then Brock seeing Chryst bolt to Pitt. The poor young man can't buy a break. He'll likely flourish for the Badgers but would imagine he would have loved to have done so closer to home at Pitt.

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  4. Out of curiosity, was Cutcliffe the coach when Wilson got his offer from Duke? That would make that more impressive than a normal Duke offer. Man knows his QBs.

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  5. Chris,
    Has Jacobsen heard whether he will get a 6th year of eligibility for his medical hardship? I can see him really flourishing under Chryst / Bostad if he has the chance.

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  6. Ted Roof was the head coach for Duke then.

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  7. I assume he hasn't heard but it seems like he will get the sixth year.

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  8. chris, wow, you seem to be pretty convinced that robert foster is comin to pitt. what ives you so much confidence when very few of of pa's elite end up in pittsburgh

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  9. It's not 100% because Foster doesn't even know yet but I think right now Pitt and Ohio State will be the teams to beat, and I like Pitt's chances until I hear otherwise.

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  10. Kugler would be a HUGE get. He would probably thrive in this offense and get a very good education at Pitt...can't forget that.

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  11. His dad is the Steelers OL coach and the best college OL teachers in the country are at Pitt. Perfect fit.

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  12. Hey Doke -
    When do you expect that Chryst announces the rest of his staff? And what can/should we expect on the recruiting front in the next couple weeks?

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  13. I think it will be as soon as possible and then they will recruit like hell for the next month and then continue it for the 2013 class in early February.

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  14. Chris, aside from o linemen, what you say say Pitts biggest position of need is for next year? I'd probably say linebacker but a case can also be made for d linemen due to the lack of depth. also, Pitt only has 4 spots for the class, what 4 recruits would u pick for Pitt to get by February?

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  15. It may be more than four. In fact, I think it will be. And the front seven definitely needs help as far as depth.

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  16. I was wondering what your opinion on the O-line is. Is it more 1. lack of recruiting/talent by Wannstedt 2. wrong players for a wrong system with Graham. Since O-line has been a problem for a very long time(pre Wannstedt) hopefully we have the coaches that can get really good linemen to the area. To get a really good line, they will have to recruit outside the WPIAL. Any word where the new O-line coach has ties?
    If it is true that front 7 needs more players, the sooner, the better on the D-coordinator being named. Any good recruits that Pitt could realistically get?

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  17. Recently Pitt has had some very good linemen, but not enough of them. There was a very big gap between the top few and everybody else. And they were VERY mismatched for Graham's offense. Bostad will be the OC so he won't recruit much until it's time to close the deal, and that will usually be at the campus, so his past recruiting ties really won't matter. As for recruits, we will have to see who Chryst wants when he starts recruiting this week. He may come up with a few kids we haven't even mentioned yet.

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  18. the way I look at recruiting is the more linemen, quarterbacks, and running backs the better after you fill the teams needs. I'm just curious as to how many players of these positions chrysts staff will pull in. obviously the team needs players in the front 7 on defense and offensive lineman, but id feel a lot better if Pitt could manage to get another qb or even rb even if they're lower tier recruits, assuming shell or voytik don't get po'd if other players of their position get recruited

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  19. Chris- Love this site, easily the best place on the internet for Pitt sports info. But can you please consider renaming it? Every time i come to the site i read it in my head like Panther Spray instead of Panther's Prey and i'm getting the wrong visual. Just a thought, keep it up; please feel free to ignore this post.
    Paul

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  20. Chris,

    I heard something about the NCAA transfer rules that I'd like you to comment on...

    I was told that once a player has transferred and sat out a year that if they decided to transfer back to the school they were at originally that they would not have to sit out an additional year.

    If this is true, that means Brock DeCicco could transfer back to Pitt and play this fall.

    Can you tell me if this loophole exists?

    If it does, do you think there is a chance DeCicco would return?

    Thanks!

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  21. First time I ever heard of that but I'll ask.

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  22. I just asked at Pitt and they said that if a player transfers back to a school that he originally transfers from, then he still has to sit out a year.

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  23. Thanks for checking on that. Wishful thinking on my part.

    Guess he'll be staying at Wisconsin.

    Really enjoying the site, keep up the great work!

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  24. Jacobsen at LG, Ricketts at LT, an improving Turnley at C and Kugler at RG sounds like the beginnings of a very effective starting OL. Depth is always the OL issue so I hope Chryst lands some big, strong OL recruits in the mold of Bisnowatney and Kugler. Pitt is deeper at DL than OL, and if Mason comes back one question mark is elimiated at the LB spot for the next two years. Thomas, Price and L. Smith showed they have LB talent. At RB, if Graham returns at full speed, Pitt has long-term depth with Crockett (4 years) Shell (4 years) and Bennett (3 years) in the wings.

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  25. Normally, people roll their eyes when talking optimistically about Pitt football, but the truth is, Chryst and Bostad have a long track record of developing players on offense. Seems unrealistic to think it's suddenly going to stop.

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  26. Hey Doke -
    You think there is any chance that Chryst retains Patterson or Dodge? Zeise has had nice things to say about both, and it would be nice to have a little continuity.

    Who do you think should be the top 4-5 recruiting priorities for Chryst at this point (beyond keeping the current class together)?

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  27. What good are 4-star recruits if they don't develop and possibly regress. Hopefully, this new coaching staff can take some 3 and 4 stars and coach them up on both sides of the ball.

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  28. It looks like Wisconsin's recruiting classes the last few years haven't been as highly rated as Pitt's. I know the recruiting ratings are prone to error. But this may give us cause for optimism at least on the offensive side of the ball. Looks like Chryst has been successful in coaching up his players and developing and executing effective gameplans.

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  29. Here is the thing, its one thing to talk about committed recruits and where they fit but its another to discuss where potential recruits may fit. It seems pretty ridiculous because we could plug in about 75 different potential recruits.

    Here is the other thing with Foster. Chris, you have already admitted that if Chryst walked through a recruits door that he was unlikely to get them when compared to Cristobal and someone else you mentioned. I can see that being an issue with Foster when Chryst and Meyer walk through his door.

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  30. Chryst's personality will not get him a top national kid over Meyer, but he can get a local kid with his reputation.

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  31. JM, there's no way he will keep Dodge and I can't see why he would keep Patterson, to be honest. As for the recruiting priorities, it's hard to say because I don't know what Chryst's thoughts are. Once he formulates a plan and starts recruiting, we'll be able to see what he kind of players he's looking for.

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  32. Any chance that Adam DiPietro considers a switch from NU with Chryst coming in? Adam had Wisconsin high on his list and has been a fan of Pitt from childhood.

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  33. I agree that I can't immediately see a spot for Patterson or Dodge, however if Patterson were truly committed to stay in Pittsburgh because he didn't want to move his family again in such a short period of time, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a Pitt D-Line coach considering how this part of the defense improved during the year. I think the "maggot from Texas" named a DC at ASU so Patterson is likely to have to take a demotion even if he goes there.
    The advantage to Chryst would only be if he feels that Patterson is a good teacher and someone who will help him assess the team's strengths and weaknesses more efficiently.

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  34. His highlight tape speaks for itself...enough said

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