Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Current known football offer list

These are the known offers from the current staff, verified by myself.  Some offers listed in other places were offers made by the former staff and have not yet been "re-offered" by the formal staff, and many never will be because they don't fit what the new staff wants.  These are likely not the only offers since there are always a few that are unknown to the public, but this almost all of them.  There will be many more as time goes by and clearly the staff is mostly concentrating just on western PA and some of Ohio as of now.  I will update every few weeks or so.

Quarterbacks:

Malik Zaire, Archbishop Alter HS (Kettering, OH)-  Highly athletic 6'1" 190 pounder with other offers from Ohio State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin.  He recently visited Pitt and loved it, and also is a big fan of Paul Chryst and Joe Rudolph.  I still think Pitt has a very real shot to land him, especially with Ohio State involved with so many other top QBs from Ohio.

Chavis Rawlins, Monessen HS (Monessen, PA)-  For now, we'll put him here but the 6'3" 190 pounder will probably end up at wide receiver or safety at the next level.  If you believe him on twitter he wants to get away from the area to play college but you never know.   Right now his only other offer is Akron but he should get more major offers eventually.


Running Backs:

David Williams, (Philadelphia, PA)-  The 6'1" 190 pound speedster saw his offers go through the roof after he ran a 4.44 at a recent combine.  Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Rutgers are some of his many offers.  He hasn't even chosen which high school he will play at next let alone college, but right now I don't see the Panthers having much of a chance at all.


Wide Receivers:


Robert Foster, Central Valley HS (Monaca, PA)-  By now every Pitt fan knows about him.  He is a must get and I still think it will come down to either Pitt or Ohio State.

Shelton Gibson, Cleveland Heights HS (Cleveland Heights, OH)-  Big time 6'1" 170 pound speed demon.  Ohio State and Auburn have offered and are his two leaders right now, so it's not looking good for this one.

Jalin Marshall, Middletown HS (Middletown, OH)-  One of the best athletes in the country, but has already committed to OHIO STATE, where he will first be given a chance at quarterback but will almost guaranteed be moved to receiver.

Tyler Boyd, Clairton Area HS (Clairton, PA)-  The 6'1" 165 pound Boyd can also project as a safety but it seems almost criminal for him not to have the ball in his hands.  He's a local, Pitt has landed Clairton players in the past, and he's an elite prospect.  The Panthers really need to land him but somebody like West Virginia or Penn State could steal him, and both of them have offered.  As of this moment, I'm not as optimistic as I once was.

Rob Wheelright, Walnut Ridge HS (Columbus, OH)-   If the hometown Buckeyes offer then it's probably all over, but either way he'll probably stay in the Big 10.  Michigan, Nebraska, and Wisconsin are some of his offers.

Brian Lemelle, Bishop McDevitt HS (Harrisburg, PA)-  Quick, sure handed 5'11" 170 pounder that also got a recent Penn State offer.





Tight Ends:


Adam Breneman, Cedar Cliff HS (Camp Hill, PA)-  The No. 1 ranked tight end prospect in the country has over 30 offers and counting.  Pitt is a long shot, to say the least.

Scott Orndoff, Seton-LaSalle HS (Pittsburgh, PA)-  Anybody who reads this site knows how good I think this kid is.  He is currently a Wisconsin commit, but I think Pitt has an excellent chance.  Technically Pitt didn't tell him that he was offered, but common sense tells you that he is and the Panthers for whatever reason just assumes he knows.




Offensive Linemen:


Patrick Kugler, North Allegheny HS (Wexford, PA)-  One of the better offensive guard prospects in the country and a must get for the Panthers, but with Bob Bostad moving on and Kugler not talking about Pitt a lot, I'm starting to get the feeling that the Panthers have ground to make up.  I can definitely see him ending up in the Big 10.

Dorian Johnson, Belle Vernon Area HS (Belle Vernon, PA)-   Excellent 6'6" 280 prospect that has loads of potential.  He has about a dozen offers including Penn State, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech but Pitt is definitely the favorite as of now.




Defensive Linemen:


Billy Price, Fitch HS (Austintown, OH)-  Big time defensive tackle that has already committed to OHIO STATE.

Taco Charlton, Pickerington Central HS (Pickerington, OH)-  Elite defensive end that has already committed to MICHIGAN.




Linebackers:


Ben Gedeon, Hudson HS (Hudson, OH)-  Many major offers, including Ohio State.  The Panthers don't have a chance.

Delton Williams, Cathedral Prep HS (Erie, PA)-  At 6'2" and 200 pounds he can play at linebacker and safety.  His only other offer so far is Toledo but he is highly athletic and could be an excellent addition.


Defensive Backs:


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There are only 17 players with known, verifiable offers, but like I said, there will be many, many more.  But the staff is clearly concentrating on western PA and Ohio first.  In fact, they only let Tyler Boyd he was still offered just two days ago.  Over the next few months, expect the number of offers to triple.  Only then will we get a good idea of where the Panthers stand with whom they have offered.

167 comments:

  1. i sure hope things take a turn for the better here soon.

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  2. Again, i still wish they would move faster but i like that they are hitting pittsburgh and the surrounding area. Youre never going to be great if you cant get the kids in your own backyard.

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    1. I think the saying is...
      If you can't get kids in your backyard... what makes you think you will get them from out of state!!
      Doesn't mean the kids in the backyard are superior players... just shows recruiting skills!

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  3. I like that the coaches are doing their due diligence in recruiting. Once the staff has some camps and see kids up close, I'm sure there will be a lot more offers on the table. Isn't there only 16 scholarships to give? I don't think it's a slam dunk either that there will enough attrition to get to 21 or 22. I hope so, but we'll have to wait and see.

    Kuglar should be impressed with the O-line's coach background. Hueber played a huge part in Wisconsin's rise in the mid-90s.

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    1. There are 20 ships available for 2013 based upon current "juniors". There may be 1 or 2 still available for 2012.

      The 4/5 star are easy to figure out and give offers... no due diligence required. It is the 3stars that require more work to figure out.

      Neither article in trib or pg mentioned anything about recruiting efforts... no Junior day planned, etc. whereas other schools have had theirs.
      The trib article on PSU and O'Brien was good.. he is getting after it!!

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  4. Joe D. I posted this elsewhere...

    He already said that he and his staff would be selective in their approach to recruiting and will have some 'under the radar' kids who they want but whose names may no be familiar.

    He's obviously doing this by - as stated above - inviting players to get a feel for the program in small groups rather than a mass mailing.

    Do you understand that by doing it this way Chryst is putting more time and effort in and actually working harder at recruiting then by just having one day where all the junior players show up, right?

    Again, you extrapolate the supposed negatives without giving the smallest consideration to what Chryst is actually doing.

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    1. Thank you rkohberger. If you talk to Chryst for one minute you can actually pick up on that he is a genuine guy. He is not going to just offer every kid which Graham did and pull the offer because he did not accept it right away or they got a different kid. He is actually truthful with the recruits and so is his staff which I hope kids pick up on. It looks like the wrong approach to many people but how I view it is that these are the kids they actually want and won't kick to the curb if they do not perform for example Osu or Alabama.

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    2. I disagree with that approach with the 4/5 star.
      It's pretty easy to figure out the 4/5 star that you want and get after it.
      Clearly, you need to spend time in researching, etc the 3star.

      The 4/5 star want to be excited and "wow'd"...
      If you look the 2 DL that got "official offers" from Chyrst and crew already committed to the competition... and one comes from the Davis twins school!!! The DL is a huge need for Pitt in 2013... perhaps that is due to who was named as DL coach!!

      Only time will tell if he is able to land top recruits... if he can't land them from the wpial... he won't land them from ohio or eastern pa.

      If Kugler doesn't go to Pitt that will be a huge slap in the face. If I were Hueber, I would find out when Kugler's dad has lunch and just happen to run into him every single day!!!
      Foster... from what I'm hearing... this is Rod's gym... and 2nd/3rd hand... doubtful he will be at Pitt.

      And when you read pantherlair headlines, every day is a different top recruit wanting to be contacted by Pitt... smh Just don't get it.

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  5. I also read that they will not have a JR day where 100's of kids are brought in but will selectively have Jrs visit. Sounds to me like he has a plan and whether the fans like it or not ( and I do as it is more personal) then oh well.

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  6. Giving this staff the benefit of the doubt does not fit into good 'ol Joe D's agenda. Only Joe D knows what is best. He is the smartest man in the room. If you don't believe it, just ask him.

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    1. If you're gonna criticize, man-up and name-up. Don't be a lazy coward hiding behind the "anonymous" tag -- unless that's the name your parents gave you.

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    2. Just like "Imma Man! Im 40!" is any different that Anonymous???? OK, carry on!

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    3. Every blog has a guy like Joe D. on it who hates everything about whatever the blog is about.

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  7. Chris,

    Great work, as always.

    Hopefully our new coaching regime can clearly see by this article that it IS complicated (unless you're Ohio State), it isn't really as simple as "just offer." Since, you know, we have zero commits from the 17 offers to date.

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  8. So what I am hearing from the different sides of the argument about recruiting is that there are 2 schools of thought or maybe three. 1) Follow Alabama model and spam the big time recruits and also offer 100's of kids hoping to get 20-25 good ones. 2) Follow the Jamie Dixon model of focusing on the ones that fit the program and focus on the ones you can get with higher upside vs have a small chance in hell of getting. 3) Do both.

    I like the Dixon Model, but he is a BBall Coach. The Bama model works for a program with $$$$$$ and want to support the USPS. How many get annoyed after the 4th Citibank Credit card offer, let alone 100.

    I realize the earth will fall off its axis if Chryst doesn't get a top 30 recruiting class, but it is Feburary and LOI was just in February 2012.

    Times will tell

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    1. Apples and oranges comparison...
      BB has about 2-3 ships to give a year so he has little chance for error. 13 ships total or 2.5 x number of starters.

      Football gives out about 20ships a year or 85 total or 4 x number of starters.

      If you want to do a comparison, do it with another BCS football team trying to land 4/5 star recruits!!!

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  9. Rumors have another HS coach coming to Pitt as QB coach..
    C'mon man...
    Brooks Bollinger.

    Tells me, Chryst doesn't have the same budget for assistants as Graham did.

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    1. Bollinger did play for Wisconsin and I think several years in the pro's. Makes sense via the Wisconsin connection. Not sure how he would recruit.

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    2. Hiring Bollinger is no different than the DL coach...
      Bad selection.. in my opinion.
      Pitt needs someone with experience who can recruit from areas we recruit... NJ, MD, VA... we have PA and Ohio covered.

      Danny O'Brien is now available to Pitt!!

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  10. According to ESPN NCAA FB, Edsall reversed his decision and is giving QB O'Brien a full release to play anywhere including PITT

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  11. Whats wrong with Brooks Bollinger. You have no idea if he is a good coach or not. He played for 4 NFL teams and just "retired" last year. Hell, why he's at it, have him call up Ron Dayne and see if he can coach the running backs.

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  12. All the QB coach is going to do day to day is to teach fundamentals. Bollinger can do that since he was a professional QB. I would have nothing bad to say about that hire.

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  13. man, i love the inside scoop on this site, but with as negative as half the people on here are, how have you stayed Pitt fans? I figured since we haven't won titles you guys would have left this hopeless endeavor.

    Anyway, Im with Doke...Brooks was a very good Big 10 QB and has been on different staffs and schemes pro wise. He has probably seen 10-12 different qb coaches and coordinators in his time and would take good from them and bad same as anyone in the professional workforce going into what amounts to mid level management.

    Thats like saying alex van pelt would be a terrible qb coach, you dont know (and i think he coaches now. If he was a "Pitt man" there wouldnt be a question and Joe D would be listing why he is qualified. Come to think of it, Joe D has pretty much gone with the opposite of whatever any article states here and the PG for the entire information age.

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    1. and yes, I am hiding behind anonymous...because Joe D is obviously Joe Delsarrdo and we all know that from his handle on these sites correct?

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    2. I'm not delsarrdo... don't know who that is..

      anyway, the only reason I would say NO to Brooks is he doesn't help from the recruiting perspective and has no experience or ties regarding recruiting!! I think there are many more choices that are better than Brook.

      Heck, the DL coach from UCLA/Montana is a better choice than Brook... most of the knock on Beckerfield is doesn't help from the recruiting perspective.

      Frankly, there are better choices other there over Beckerfield and Bollinger.... and I would at least pick someone from the east coast.
      I also said Engram is good... NFL experience but most importantly PSU and recruiting.
      I also said the LB coach from HS Lebo was good... mostly for recruiting wpial.

      At least I'm consistent!! You need to be successful in recruiting to be successful on the field (my opinion)!!!

      I'd like to hear why Bollinger is good... but Beckerfield is NOT... please don't say NFL experience.

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    3. By not knowing who Joe Delsardo is you just lost all credibility as a Pitt Fan.

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  14. A QB coach isn't going to do a lot of recruiting anyway. What linebacker or cornerback is going to come to Pitt because of a QB coach? A lot of teams don't even have QB coaches. At most, they can be expected to recruit a QB but in this case Chryst will be the QB recruiter. QB coaches just teach fundamentals and that's basically it. They are usually young guys who are being groomed to maybe be an offensive coordinator down the line.

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    1. Same could be said for any position coach...
      Just like Beckerfield as DL coach.

      Position coaches are typically given territories to cultivate relationships and identify candidates... bring in the position coach, HC, OC/DC as needed in the recruiting process after offer is made.

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  15. It is amusing reading about all this worry about next year's recruiting class and the criticism of the new coach for not doing it "correctly". It is quite evident he is going to build his program and recruiting in a way he feels comfortable doing it. It appears he is building a program for the long haul as opposed to the flashy, obnoxious manner of Graham. The real test will be what happens on the football field this fall and in future autumns. For now I am quite content with our new coach. Until this fall worrying about all this recruiting stuff seems a very big waste of energy.

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  16. Joe D does not know who Joe Delsarrdo is? Dude how long have you been watching Pitt? I am not saying he was greg lee or latief grim, heck even oderick turner...but you have to know Joe?

    as for why would brooks be a good qb coach, if you wanted to learn how to throw a football properly, why wouldnt you go to a person who was 30-12 as a collegiate starter, 3-0 in bowl games, played for herm edwards, west coast genius brad childress, and jason garret. in addition, is also a hs head coach.

    i just dont get it.

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  17. I think the coaching staff needs some more guys with the ability to recruit. Of course Bollinger has been coaching in that hotbed of football, Minnesota. It produced 8 3 stars and 1 4 star last year. Of course, all but 2 went to Minnesota. I would think someone with East Coast or Florida ties would be more helpful. Chryst is doing things in the way that he is comfortable. I think he needs to get outside of his comfort zone.

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    1. Agree...
      Bollinger grew up in North Dakata... another hotbed of football talent!!!

      and to answer anoynmous... because there are a lot of other better candidates for QB coach to choose from.. and when I say better candidates, I mean the entire package!!

      Keep in mind, I like Engram and the LB coach from Lebo even though they have little coaching or recruiting experience... at least they have ties to certain areas where Pitt recruits.

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    2. It doesnt matter where the hell he grew up. He was in the NFL for a long time. He has to know to what it means to be a PRO QB. Recruiting ties are overrated. Most Qb's have to deal with the media and people so it should translate to having social skills and being able to communicate and form a relationship with HS coaches and high school recruits. Joe D is such a Chryst Hater.

      Remember we are PITT not a perennial top 10 program. Yet!!!

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    3. Pittgrad03,,,Not a Chryst hater...
      I liked the hire... I wanted him over Cristobel.
      Even though the knock on Chryst was he didn't like recruiting, I figured that could be resolved by surrounding himself with great recruiters..
      Beckerfield and Bollinger do not fit the bill!!

      But, the 1st flag was when he didn't call recruits within the 48 hr windown... relying upon voytik to do his job for him... 2nd flag was the pressor... god he was awful so I dropped EJ a line and told him to coach him for pressors... 3rd flag... well 17 offers out when other competitors have over 50 offers out... you need to be much more aggressive than that to land 4/5 star recruits.

      And Pitt will not even sniff at Top 25 the next 3
      years at least...
      Since you graduated 2003... you never seen Pitt football at its finest... you are use to a mediocre/losing program!!!

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    4. How can you be so matter of fact about yourself? He has his way of doing things and a lot of it came from what he learned at Wisky which has been a very successful program over the past few years. You can't honestly evaluate anything he has done yet...there is no track record of performance and don't keep throwing out the 17 offers or whatever it is what it is yes its not aggressive but its his approach and you have no inkling as to how successful he will be in taking this program to the next level. You should be more supportive of him instead of so critical. It's great that your nephew has "inside info' on what recruits are saying but who cares? Chryst will target who he wants for his system and only after we see how the team plays should we be able to make any judegements about the job he is doing. i wholly wish that you would just agree with the majority of this blog for once and would just show some respect for a man learning a new job...i think he deserves it.

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    5. His approach... Wisky gave out 140 offers last year... Pitt 175.

      Anyway, you can benchmark Pitt recruiting versus competition and versus those who are very good at it!!
      that is all i'm doing..
      remember, the knock on Chryst was that many didn't want him because he didn't like recruiting... hey, "Just Offer"..
      btw.. nobody in D1 BCS uses Chryst's current approach.

      What would you say if Chryst doesn't land Kugler OR Foster!!! which is highly likely!!!
      learning a new job?? he is getting paid my guess 1.5 million... sorry, he should be scrutinized... Wanny maxed out at 800k i believe.

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    6. Your right I never seen Pitt have a decent program in years and yet my attitude is a helluva lot more positive than yours. Just because he doesnt do what every other program does, doesnt mean it wont work. He has his own version of "moneyball". Pitt is a helluva lot closer to the A's than the Yankees.

      Did you see the Pitt blather latest post. Pitt had higher rated class than Wisc 7 of 8 years but Wisc was 60-18 and Pitt was 45-32. Wisc faced far tougher competition. I'm not going to tear the guy apart for off season recruiting tactics. If he is quick kicking like the Stache and Walt Harris then i'll be all over the guy.

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    7. Joe D, how do you know that it is "highly likely" Chryst won't land Kugler or Foster? Every post you make you act like you are the authority on everything.

      If you know so much, why aren't you coaching at the D-1 level? If you are so tied into recruiting, why aren't you the recruiting coordinator at a premier program? You speak as if you have the authority to be critical of anything and everything.

      Why do you hide behind an anonymous blog nom de plume? Tell us who you really are so we Pitt fans can demand that you single handedly replace Pederson, Chryst, and Dixon and lead us to the promised land of all 5* recruits and National Championships.

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    8. ha ha ha, joe d...i have no clue if brooks bollinger would be good or not, just know he has been around some great coaching minds and is currently coaching. as for this list of better qb coach candidates, i am all ears...please list them, what makes them great, and give your typical half assed answer and research based off your subscription to scout.com....dude, get lost man.

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  18. Chris, why do we seem to only have 20 ships to give? Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan and others are all giving out 25 or more. Miami gave out 33. Are they clearing out the deadwood and we are not?

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  19. Graham got 2 million for assistants. How much did PC get, 1.2 million?

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  20. Not sure what we have to give out but the NCAA limit is 25 in a year and 85 total on the team. Some schools use Gray shirts that start in January and count toward a different year I think so they get around the 25 limit that way.

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  21. I can definitely see Pitt with a full 25 scholarships this year.

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  22. chris, do you know how much interest pitt has in dorian brown from baldwin? he is one of the most productive backs around

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  23. chris, also, do you know if pitt has/will reach out to danny obrien?

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    1. He's going to Vandy but Pitt wasn't even mentioned in his list of schools he's interested in.

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  24. Chris,
    Slightly off-topic, do you know if Pitt looked at bringing back Gattuso from Maryland? I don't know if he has a reason/person not to come back to Pitt. But he would have been a good re-hire for DL coach.

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  25. Chris any thoughts on the Zeise Red Shirt Diary's about sitting down with PC. PC sounds like a good guy who wants to be here but just needs time to get his feet wet. I'm willing to give him the time unlike Joe D.

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  26. He's definitely a good guy. I think it's obvious he's feeling his way right now, and will tell if he will succeed or not. Hopefully he does for many reasons.

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  27. Also, when do they give the college guys there playbooks? High school school commits?

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  28. Pitt will recruit better when it wins more. In fact at this point, given the program's recent turmoil following several February recruiting Big East championships that turned into Car Care Bowls (at best), it's not hard to understand the skepticism with which many high school football players view the program. Winning is probably the ONLY way to get them interested now.

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    1. exactly, at this point, unless you are a full on pitt family man or fan, why would you come here? Sure, Christ has a nice pedigree, but if you want to be a big time player...Urban Meyer is right there and Florida players are playing at an elite level in the NFL right now.

      I am very positive, but also very reasonable and realize that Pitt is an 8 win program, with a 9-10 win team every 5-6 years. And guess what, I AM TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT BECAUSE I LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND THE UNIVERSITY!

      All that said, a top 25 class would be great and can be expected I think, but in the top 20 starts to get a little unreasonable. Plus, this is a long ways off guys.

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    2. I hate to break this to you but a lot of Pitt players are playing at a high level in the NFL too. Just had 4 All Pro's this year.

      I agree though that Pitt can't realistically compete with the big name universities.

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  29. Orndoff confirmed that he does indeed have a Pitt offer. William McGlinchey also has an offer according to Chris Peak of Pantherlair. I believe we also offered a RB out of NJ named Corey Clement according to Peak. I don't have a problem with Bollinger, I like that he is young. They need to get a good recruiter with the Assistant HC title out there to use. It seems like there has been a little action happening as far as offers go out in Eastern PA and NJ in the last couple days.

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  30. Yeah, those offers came after I last checked into it. They are definitely picking up the pace now. And it's Mike McGlinchey.

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    1. To quote Chryst: It's not that hard... "Just Offer"...

      Sorry I'm beating a dead horse..

      Maybe it was my email to Pederson, etc... to give Chryst a kick in the a$$ regarding recruiting.

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    2. I hope your joking about emailing Pederson about recruiting. Based off your other posts, I actually beleive you. What a $%@#$ loser! Although I'm sure Pederson has already received emails from you in the past so i'm sure he didn't bother reading your latest. So I guess you can't take credit for the recruiting efforts.

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    3. Sent 2/18 and 2/19... with .cc to EJ...
      I've gotten responses in the past from EJ as well as Lasala.. so they read them.
      Do you want me to cut and paste on here!!

      The 2/19, the Subject line read
      "Chryst needs kick in the ASS"
      I'm sure they opened and read that one!! and look at the results...

      Pederson is well aware the knock on Chryst was his not like recruiting.
      Also, my note to EJ was to "coach" him for media conferences... he is not good at winging it and makes stupid comments like "just offer"... and if you read Zeise, Zeise comment was he has improved since the last pressor... maybe that was a little help from EJ.

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    4. I will take credit that Chryst and crew needed a kick in the ass regarding recruiting...
      and Pederson obliged!!

      I just gave them the facts of number of offers vis a vie competition as well as number of committs by OSU and Michigan.

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    5. You need a life Joe D!

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    6. You dont really think they read that and you dont expect us to believe this bullish do you? Dude, seriously you need blocked from this and any other reasonable football discussion site. Most likely, with that subject line, it didnt even make it thru their junk mail filters you dipshit.

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    7. You mean you want to see the response to my emails from Lasala or EJ???
      I even spoke to EJ... several times regarding players twitters and instituting a policy. That was around the time Graham was named coach.

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    8. Joe...it's real easy to open a Blogger blog where you could easily show the emails. I'm not either confirming or denting that you got a response from Pitt...I don't even care. But it is real easy to prove.

      BTW....people who don't like Joe D's posts don't have to read them...why get upset?

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  31. Chris, other than zaire, what top qb prospect is pitt going after. Lets face it, they need one badly and i dont know if they can afford to recruit one at a time

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  32. Joe D. - in 2009 DW made $1.4M as PITT's HC.

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    1. The article I found has Wanny at $1.01 million (Dixon was at $1.4 at the time... 2009).

      Anyway, seems Chryst doesn't have the same budget for assistants as Graham who demanded and got $2million!!!

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  33. Joe D

    -You seem to know an awful lot about recruiting in college football. Please, tell us who you recruited for and in what capacity you were used.

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  34. Joe D you should start your own BLOG

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  35. Just so we're clear: those of us who are worrying about Chryst's ability (or rather, inability) to recruit may end up being proven wrong. In fact, I really hope so.

    But on the same token, y'all who are saying to relax and quit worrying could be dead-wrong too.

    And WADR, yinz have nothing (so far) on which to base your optimism. We do for our pessimism: his very sketchy (to be kind...) recruiting record at his last job.

    That, plus the fact that nobody else does it the way he thinks will work. And the fact that he apparently doesn't think he needs any presence in the biggest and most fertile markets.

    So he's either a visionary, or just another short-time HC.

    But if y'all are right, Wiscy will really be kicking themselves! People will be fired when they can't explain why they didn't recognize genius then they had it.

    If.

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    1. I agree with you imma40..
      You didn't want Chryst due to his recruiting... it was well known he didn't like recruiting... you were all over that on Zeise's blog..
      I on the otherhand liked Chryst and wanted him over Cristobel.

      But, you were right...
      I'm very concerned with Chryst and crew recruiting efforts... and you are spot on regarding everything you just said...

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    2. So let me understand people are WORRYING about things they have ZERO control over????? And really have just their own speculation that Chryst doesn't have the ability to do this job????? He has never been a head coach before so there is only 2 months worth of data to even speculate on.
      Amazing just amazing

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    3. I actually dislike you Imma more than Joe D, Joe D makes me laugh sometimes and not always in a bad way. Anyway, no, you have nothing to base your pessimism on other than your own personality...there are no results yet...the actual football season hasn't started yet and barely any prospects have committed anywhere. Having less offers out than others is obviously a fact but it doesn't mean he's bad at recruiting. As he has said, he is interested in targeting select players, building relationships with them and offering the players he wants for his systme regardless of what their rankings are or the hype srrounding them. Our optimism is based off his track record as an offensive game planner. He was not responsible for doing much recruiting at Wisky which is why he produced few recruits...he never claimed to not like recruiting, he just wasn't heavily involved.

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    4. Anon: I agree. Coach Chryst has his approach to recruiting and is putting his 1 mil salary on the line by doing it his way.
      I also see the method to his madness, makes sense to me, but again I am only a Pitt fan.

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  36. Like I care whether or not another garden-variety "Anonymous" dislikes me.

    But because you twisted my words, and put words in my mouth that I didn't say, I will dissect your postion:

    You: "Having less offers out than others is obviously a fact but it doesn't mean he's bad at recruiting. As he has said, he is interested in targeting select players, building relationships with them and offering the players he wants for his systme regardless of what their rankings are or the hype srrounding them."

    Me: First of all, that's not what I said. I don't care if he has 6 or 60 offers out.

    What I care about is that he's hired assistants with no regard to who will actually do the heavy lifting for recruiting in NJ, MD/DC, and FL. Who on his staff will he ask to contact a life-long HC buddy in (say) Florida because he wants to talk to a kid leaning to Pitt? Nobody, becuase he has nobody. That's stupid, frankly.

    You: "Our optimism is based off his track record as an offensive game planner.

    Me: First of all, yours is an NFL mindset. Pitt plays CFB.

    Second, we're talking about recruiting. Or at least I am.

    I don't care about X&Os guys because they're dime-a-dozen, you can hire them with a phone call. Just look at how many we'd hired and lost to AZ and ASU and Rutgers, and then they quit there already and moved to WVU, all with no real impact -- other than their recruiting skills, per above (which even Wanny understood but Chryst doesn't seem to).

    You: "He was not responsible for doing much recruiting at Wisky which is why he produced few recruits...he never claimed to not like recruiting, he just wasn't heavily involved."

    First of all, that is factually incorrect. But you're obviously a newcomer, so I'll revisit old facts as a courtesy.

    Fact is, Wiscy didn't ALLOW him to recruit because he sucked at it and hated it to boot. Name me another major program that doens't let their OC out to recruit? [sound of crickets].

    So we've hired a HC who doesn't like to recruit, and we hope he can coach-em-up the guys others bring to him (like the NFL...), except he doesn't have guys in postion in the good markets.

    I hope you guys are right.

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    1. First off, no I read this blog every day. I never posted until morons like you chimed in with your misinformed desperate comments. What are you talking about nfl vs. cfb mindest? Not sure what you are getting at...Please show me a credible quote that points to "Wiscy didn't ALLOW him to recruit because he sucked at it and hated it to boot." The position coaches are the ones that do the bulk of the recruiting...newby.

      Here are some recruiting ties:
      Jim Hueber-from Philly and coached at Temple
      Bobby Engram-From S. Carolina (ACC country)
      Huxtable- coached at UCF, UNC, GA Tech (ACC country)
      Rudolph and Haering from PA
      Matt House- Went to Michigan St and served as a recruiting coordinator at Buffalo
      Even Inoke- Maybe good for the occasional CA recruit

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    2. dude, if you mention the fact that their is no identity to anonymous but stand that a mike gundy quote from 5 years ago is the same as posting with your ssn, you are indeed the full on moron we have all come to think you are.

      and im going to state i am the "real" joe d as my posting name, because then you know that i am real, i am 40, and i live in my moms basement unlike the fake joe d that has been posting here.

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    3. Actually, from what I understand is he put the finishing touches on a lot of top recruits at Wisconsin. Most notably QB's.

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  37. Let's get back to talking about Pitt sports, not each other. Joe D, quit instigating. Everybody else, quit worrying about what Joe D has to say. Let's not turn this into one of those other message boards. Let's keep it civil and just focus on what we all love- Pitt sports.

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    1. I've been civil...
      just stating facts with my opinion based upon the facts.

      many of the others are resorting to childish namecalling...

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  38. Speaking of Pitt sports I just got an email to renew my season tickets. As not seeing a schedule I called the ticket office and asked when it would be available. The woman I spoke with said it was not available and did not think it would be announced until after we had to renew. Now I will renew anyway but???????

    Maybe there are some good rumors on the schedule?

    If it is really bad anyone up for a Class Action against the BE and Marinotti for a diminished product?

    Maybe us fans can leverage Pitt to the ACC as a settlement

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  39. I apologize for being aggressive and attacking in my posts. I just get frustrated because I want this to be healthy debates for fans. I know its good to be critical and to hold our school to high standards but some of the negativity is so unwarranted and it gets hard to tolerate some times. I would much prefer to see discussions lean towards looking forward to possible new hires and possible recruits than dwelling on certain words from a previous press conference or looking at some open ended recruiting style opinions. I want to look forward to coming here and learning something new or to feel pride in Pitt but sometimes others make that difficult.

    In any case sorry to Joe D and Imma specifically.

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  40. Don't post any emails from Borghetti and LaSala. That's their private correspondence and it doesn't need to be displayed publicly here.

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    1. agreed. has pitt reched out to any more offensive linemen yet? dorian johnson? dorian miller? mike mcglinchey?

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  41. Chris - Per Peak some big kid named Ziff found his way on campus from NJ the other day. Did Pitt offer?

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  42. I mentioned him on here yesterday. Sam Zeff. His family has a lot of connections to Pitt and he's one of the better OL from NJ. Pitt wasn't talking to him but he showed up on his own to tell them he was interested in them.

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  43. And no he didn't get an offer, by the way.

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  44. Chris - Thanks for the feedback, but if he is one of the better OL from NJ, and has connections to Pitt, then shouldn't they be going after him? Is he smaller than the type of linemen that they are seeking ?

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    1. hes a 6'5" 265 OT. good height but hed needs to add a lot of weight.

      is pitt recruiting him now?

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    2. He just showed up on his own. Pitt wasn't recruiting him.

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  45. By about 50 pounds. But I'm sure he will be somebody they will monitor. He's not a Plan A lineman recruit for them, though.

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    1. its a little odd that he would just show up like that.

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    2. I didn't mean to suggest that he just showed up and knocked on the door. His dad went to Pitt so they called and Pitt told them to come check it out. College programs like that. It shows initiative.

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    3. Sam Zeff sure knows how to market himself (see link)... and yes, prospects shouldn't wait for the call but to be proactive.. 4/5 stars can just sit and watch the letters come in.

      http://www.hudl.com/athlete/68944/sam-zeff

      The only thing with the kid is his weight (245-265) and strength (max bench of 265). Rule of thumb is max bench should be 1.5 x bodyweight.
      Back in the day, I was 165# and max bench of 240# and that is only lifting 3times a week.

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  46. Chryst wants to be here for a long time and like Jamie Dixon, he believes in his coaching ability -- in putting the players in the right spots and coming up with game plans that will win games. He thinks he can turn 3 star players until all conference players and he really wants players that have a passion to be hard in the weight room and have a chip on their shoulders. Listening to Jamie Dixon speak, especially early on was hard, but he can coach. Cam Bonifay was a great speakers, it's funny, be careful of the great speakers because even when the evidence is right in front of you, people give them the benefit of the doubt because they sound so good. Players will see that Chryst is for real, he knows his stuff and he will turn out to be a Jamie Dixon.

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    1. I don't know how you can say Chryst "will turn out to be a Jamie Dixon".

      Based on what? - Similarities at not being a smooth speaker?

      Come on...there's no way to tell but, based on what Chryst has DONE or NOT done so far lends me to think that this was a bad hire.

      There's no other way to look at it realistically.....so far.

      I hope to heck I'm wrong but:

      1) - the little contact with recruits thus far
      2) - the "just offer" statement - huh?
      3) - hiring a guy with Hawaii ties?

      Red flags period

      He has come out of the blocks and tripped. No question.

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  47. In his presser the other day he said he would sell the program. Wtf. Why do you all insist on making a big deal out of that comment. Jeez you people are ridiculous!

    And its a jamie dixon type of hire because pitts their first hc job, both are trying to feel their way out early on, both focus on players that fit instead of stars, both take players that might not be as highly recruited and develope them into great ones.

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    1. Coaches that say they focus on players that fit their system.... say that because they can't recruit 4/5 star players.
      The most ridiculous statement ever to make by a coach.
      Every coach wants the best athelete available for the position based upon size, strength, speed, and skill.

      Now, that said... the QB is one that is a "system" pick perse... and some defensive line players because of 4-3 vs 3-4..

      But... and RB is an RB... a WR is a WR... a OL is an OL... a DB is a DB...
      C'mon man!!!

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    2. Well whether this staff could recruit top players or not at wisconsin, they developed who they did get, and ill take 11-2 ALL DAY

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  48. Oh my god he hired a guy with hawaii ties we never should have hired chryst hes a friggin failure. Give me a break. Let the guy do his job

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  49. Didn't Fraud say he recruited guys who "fit"?

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    1. Yes he did...
      and that is all I would read from clueless Zeise...

      Tell me one 4/5 star player (non-qb) that you DON'T want on your team??? Assuming there is a need and base it only the atheletics of the player.

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  50. Imma Man - ""Wiscy didn't ALLOW him to recruit because he sucked at it and hated it to boot." Hmmmm...?

    I'll name one other school who didn't have their OC recruiting much...

    PITT under Dave Wannstedt. He didn't have Cavanaugh out recruiting areas either but I have no idea, nor do you, what the reason was. Just as you have no idea why Bielema had Chryst just recruiting certain positions. Both he and Chryst averaged about the same in the number of targets they had per year.

    But here's my take on that - if you look at who recruited the Wisconsin recruits over the past years you will see that both Bostad and Rudolph were ace recruiters and had national reputations in that field. Bielema didn't need Chryst to be out pounding the recruiting trail. Just as PITT had other recruiters who could do the same for PITT.

    BTW - look a few miles east of PITT. Galen Hall the OC at PSU for the last eight years didn't recruit AT ALL, no once because PSU wanted him to concentrate on being the OC.

    Then - take a look a few miles west of PITT. Jim Bollman, the OC at OSU didn't recruit at all during his first five years there then did sparingly, save one year, after that.

    I'm sure I can find tons of other OCs at other schools to refute your off the hip claim should I try.

    The fact is that Chryst was recruiting equal to or way more than all three listed above (the only three schools I looked at BTW, 100% opposite of what you wrote) while he was at Wisconsin. But don't let that get in the way of your rather insulting "observations" about Paul Chryst.

    I think you and Joe D project things sometimes in your posts. Joe d said the other day that no other D1 program has ever skipped a Junior Day. Really? He knows this how?

    Just as you did above saying that Chryst wasn't "allowed" to recruit which is is flat out wrong. Do your research - he was asked to recruit selected players during his time at Wisconsin.

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    1. Reed, stop being so logical and measured in your thoughts. Don't you know the only opinions that matter are ones steeped in "facts" from recruiting websites, message board conjecture and personal bench press statistics from 1985?

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    2. LOL... guess combine numbers don't matter either...
      Some combine use bench press and some use medicine ball throw.
      To me... it's not just a measure of strength but if the kid is putting the work in at the gym!!
      But, other parameters matter such as 40 speed, shuttle, verticle... combine numbers.

      NFL combine this weekend... let's hope the Pitt boys put on a good show... but I guess according to Sam... it doesn't matter.

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    3. Joe D, you are so thick you didn't realize I was referring to your personal bench press statistics as evidence of your expertise...not combine information.

      "C'mon man!!!"

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    4. I know you were pointing at me regarding benchpress numbers. And prehaps you never been to a combine... but benchpress is one of the combine events!!! HS, they do #reps at 185#... NFL, they do #reps at 225#. Some people don't know what is considered a "good" max benchpress... 1.5xbodyweight..

      In Zeff case, he should not have posted his max bench press on his rivals page... shows he is weak.

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  51. I think the way Coach Chryst goes about bringing kids in a few at a time(instead of this mass called junior day) is a fantastic way of doing it and also very personal.
    I call that recruiting. Just because others do it the lazy way IMO doesn't make it the right way, just easier and probably less effective.

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  52. Took a tour in a museum with 50 other people once and couldn't hear the guide. Missed a lot of info and was very disappointed.
    Then I went on another tour with 5 other people and heard everything and was able to listen better and I appreciated that tour much more. Got to know the tour guide a little, it was much more personal.
    Just my opinion, but I think the recruits will like it better also.

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  53. First of all, a plea to the masses: don't lump me together with JoeD. The only things we have in common are engineering degrees from Pitt, and a growing sense that Chryst has some room for improvement (to be kind) in Pitt's recruit results. Feb-2013 LOI day will tell us all a lot.

    I will say this much: I really hope Chryst's dialed-back methods work. It's visionary, I'll give him that: literally nobody else does it that way, which isn't to suggest it cannot work. In fact, IF it works, everybody will mimic it because it's far easier and lots cheaper. And that would be a refreshing step away from the seedier side of CFB.

    But if it doesn't work, Chryst will be forced to adapt in full emergency mode, or else he'll be fired.

    Problem is, these guys are accustomed to beign wooed, BMOCs. And most of them like the attention. The equivalent to Chryst's methods would be me asking the prom queen out and just waiting for her response, when every other guy in school is selling himselfs on why he's a better choice.

    If Pitt goes 13-0 every year, he can "just offer" all he wants, and it'll work just fine. If he goes 0-13, it won't work at all. Anywhere in between is a question mark. I just hope his methods result in the former.

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  54. Imma - sorry for lumping you in there. Joe d. is one of a kind.

    Just for fun I looked back at another comparison between PITT and Wisconsin, this time looking at highly ranked players who didn't work out for us...

    Take 5* & 4* kids from 2005 until 2010 – which is the period of years we’d be able to point at and actually see how they did. Here’s the ones who didn’t really work out:

    2005: Bokor
    2006: Fields, Collier, M. Mathews, N. Nix, Robinson
    2007: Bostick, Matha, Tucker, Williams, Duhart,
    2008: Hale, Burns, Cross
    2009: B. DeCicco (transfer)

    That’s 15 5* & 4* recruits who never consistently, if at all, contributed during their time at PITT. We can look at this list no and think “no big deal” because we now know their actual talent level – but back when they were being recruited it was a different story.

    Put it this way, in that same time period Wisconsin had recruited 12 total 5* & 4* kids…total! That’s three less than the 15 who didn’t make the grade at PITT, forget about the ones who did well for us.

    Man, if that doesn’t slap us in the face what does?

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  55. I think that is more of an indictment on the people who rank those players. Most on that list were definitely not 4 or 5 star players at the time. Scout overrated them to a ridiculous degree.

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    1. I use rivals... they seem to be a bit more conservative with ratings... and consistent across the regions. Heck, they gave Foster a 4star (i know it is subject to change)..

      Scout i think overrates players in the PA region..

      Take 2006 list you have there rkoh...
      rivals only had Collier as a 4star... the other 4 names you listed were 3star. I didn't compare the other years.

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    2. Again, I used Scout.com as a same reference for both PITT and Wisconsin to make my point. I could have used Rivals or ESPN I suppose but the thrust of my post was the number of recruits of both programs reviewed by the same scouting service.

      I think it is valid in that sense unless you think Scout.com inflates only PITT prospects and not HS players in other parts of the country...which is a reach IMO.

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    3. I think it's well known that Scout's rankings for Pitt prospects are generous.

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  56. Quick question: What were the star or number ranking for Flacco, Lewis, Graham, McCoy, Palko, El. Fields, Sheard, Romeus. Collier, Mustakas, just some names I remember. Is it better to get unsung 0-3 star football players vs 4-5 star statical studs? I think recruiting is important, but getting teachable football players is equally if not more important then athletic talent. Specifically for rebuilding a program. I can see if you are top 20, top ten and you have a lot of returning players that Studs are important. Right now PITT FB is trying to win in a Basketball league to get to a big bowl game. Forget winning a National Championship. Just win the BE then ACC. It do this you need football players that can be taught.

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  57. Look, bottom line, Pitt is an 8 win program with 3 star players that turn into good players but if they ever want to be better than that then they are going to need some 5 star players, too. It's the really elite athletes that make the difference between good and great teams.

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    1. Well, Chris we haven't had a shortage of five star players in the past either.

      I agree that there is no way Chryst and staff can afford to thumb their collective noses at players like Foster, Breneman and Kugler (all 4* on Rivals BTW). It would be insane if they ignored them completely.

      But I also don't believe that any of us really know what their recruiting strategy actually will be for 2013. I read that Chryst may recruit "a whole team" which would be 22 separate positions to start his tenure off at PITT.

      Apparently other coaches have done this although I think it's pretty strange and doesn't address key positions of need.

      Perhaps they have a different take altogether. I just looked at their "targets" for 2012 and they offer a total of 12 4* kids (Rivals) and zero 5*. A big difference than what PITT has done in the past. In DW's last year we offered 1 5* and 19 4* players.

      It may well be that Wisconsin's recruiting philosophy is just different than ours has been and more targeted for whatever reason.

      But Chryst does have to swing for the real Big Fish even if he misses.

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    2. Rivals hasn't given out all of their 5 stars yet. Foster and Breneman will be 5 stars. It all comes down to this. If Pitt can't land the 4 and 5 stars in their own backyard then I don't care what Chryst did at Wisconsin, he will not succeed at Pitt. Wisconsin is an anomaly. They and Boise State are literally the only two top programs in the country that don't routinely get a lot of 4 and 5 star players. To expect Pitt to do the same is not being realistic. College football is about talent and to think that Pitt fans are already saying that Pitt can win big without great talent is just mind boggling.

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    3. Success in Recruiting = Success on the Field..

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    4. I'm not saying that PITT will succeed without recruiting at all. I'm saying that the recruiting with this staff may be different then we have seen in the past.

      We just went through a six year period where our recruiting was paramount, in essence overshadowing everything else about PITT's football program and yet we still didn't meet expectations.

      That speaks volumes to me. No one believes recruiting isn't important, at least no one who follows college football, but one also has to think that coaching and team building is equally important.

      We'll see this season how things shake out but your insistence on recruiting as being the end all be all has already been proven to be suspect at best given what we have seen at PITT over the past years.

      Your saying "If Pitt can't land the 4 and 5 stars in their own backyard then I don't care what Chryst did at Wisconsin, he will not succeed at Pitt" is interesting in that you disregard the past. We've already been there and done that and we all know what the results were. Sucking hind tit year after year.

      You are projecting what may be and aren't looking backward at what really was with PITT's program. Unless you are thinking that things change suddenly and ... no kidding.. this time recruiting will REALLY matter.

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    5. Let me restate my equation..

      Success in Recruiting + Good Coaches = Field Success

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    6. new blogger here. I have enjoyed the banter and I think Chris you do a great job. I remember just a few years ago when the Big East all conference selections were made and there were several PITT first and second teamers. I thought to myself at the time, how did we ever end up in a tie for the league lead and did not get to the BCS game?

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  58. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/specials/highschool-potw/02/23/hspotw.16/index.html

    Great video and article on Adams - he seems like such a good kid. Really looking forward to next year.

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  59. Pat Knight rant... wow... just plain wow...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/pat-knight-rant-may-press-conference-155511578.html

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  60. Is there any reason to think the delay in naming a Rb coach and Bollinger QB coach is Pederson trying to get PC to hire someone else?

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    1. No rumors on RB coach...
      I would think EJ wants to do 1 press release for both.
      and, who knows.. maybe Pederson is having discussions regarding assistants... that would be a good thing.

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  61. Chris, has pitt reached out to any more qb prospects?

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  62. Is there a way to block certain poster's comments? I used to enjoy reading your blog until it became a dumping ground for someone.

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    1. Who are your referring to?
      You can always read the blog and NOT click on the comment section...

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  63. Kugler to Michigan

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    1. So much for the methodology of Chryst and crew!!!

      If he can't land 4star recruits out of wpial... he won't land 4star recruits outside of westernPA. Before Chryst gets beat up on....
      this may be an anomoly...
      Can you blame the kid for wanting to go someplace else where he wont see his Dad everyday? That is why I didn't think Chryst would land Kugler even if Bostad was still there.
      Doubtful he will land Foster either!

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  64. The staff better make up for it. Losing bostad must have hurt

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  65. This isn't an indication of Chryst at all. Kugler never really talked about Pitt and he committed very early on. I think he must have knew he wanted to go to UMich or a Big 10 school all along so PC can't be faulted too much for this even though most people will disagree.

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    1. LOL....
      That could be said about every 4star recruit...
      PC can't be faulted for this because he MUST have wanted to go to a Big10 school all along..

      It has nothing to do with PC's recruiting methodology?

      I'll cut Chryst a break on this one because I think the kid didn't want to see his Dad everyday at practice, etc.
      But, how many more 4star do you give PC a break on??

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    2. If theyre from western pa, i wont give him any more breaks. I agree with you in that he probably didnt want to see his dad every day.

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  66. Dorian johnson is visiting pitt today. Hes a 6'6" 290 lb OT from belle vernon

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  67. We all agree that the scouting services are not a reliable source for talent evaluations and then in the same sentence berate the staff for not going after 4 and 5 stars. Secondly, we seem to forget the instability of the program over the past several years. It will take awhile to repair the program instability issues and the best way to do that is to recruit in small groups versus bringing in 20 guys and have 3 or 4 spreading the negativity from other coaches (i.e. the competition)about the prior problems.

    I would rather get an entire group of three stars that want to be here and coach them up, versus four and five stars who never get better or measure up. Optimally, it would be great to get 4 stars that want to be here and are coachable which will occur with wins. This is the chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first, the wins that cause better recruiting stars, or better recruiting stars that lead to wins. Regardless, Pitt is stuck in the Wins driving to future recruits versus the opposite way.

    Joe D, it's time for your medicine. The green bus will be there soon. You remain the best recruiter for the competition that I have seen on here.

    Luke Nix 5.28 40

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    1. I suggest you all read what Chris Dokish wrote about 2 weeks ago on what it takes to become a Top 20 team.. recruiting.
      In that, I will paraphrase, if you can't land the top recruits out of wpial... then you can never become a top program or words to that effect. Also read what he said about the inability to land elite players!
      He mention 4 names.. Kugler, Foster, Boyd, Johnson?.

      I'm not the best recruiter for Pitt... it's all of you who think Chryst methodology is the correct formula in landing 4/5star recruits.
      He is the only one using that methodolgy...

      But quite frankly, Kugler was a smack in the face now that I think about it...
      The competition will say, Kuglers dad is in the building and Kugler didn't want to go to Pitt!!! Wish Kugler didn't declare so early...
      This is very bad!!!

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    2. Joe D

      Quick question for you. Did you ever play collegiate sports and go through the recruiting process? I have and wound up signing professionally after my senior year. The reason for the question is that you display complete ignorance as to the recruiting process on the part of both the Institution as well as the athlete.
      I have heard you are an engineer. After reading your many posts, I have little doubt it is the type that requires a pocket watch, a stubby striped hat, and utilizes a caboose.

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    3. Dhuffdaddy, I totally agree. Very well stated.

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  68. No one said his recruiting methods would produce 4 or 5 star recruits. The fact that Kugler committed so early and to a team that already had 4 other OL commits leads me to believe that UMich is just really where he wanted to be. He said as much after his visit last week saying he loved it and he could see himself going to school there. I think some of you engineering types always think the most logical scenario (Kugler going to Pitt bc of his dad,WPIAL product) should play out but the fact is that kids like to go to school out of state sometimes and carve their own paths and he loved UMich so why not go there? I doubt Pitt hosting a huge junior day would have swayed him.

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    1. First, I never thought Pitt could land Kugler..
      Second, you obviously don't know what it takes to land 4/5 star recruits... it's not just having an junior day or anything else!! It's a lot of different things..

      Or you can do what Chryst said and does...
      "Just Offer"...
      it's not that difficult fellas..

      Thank goodness it looks like Pitt will have a 2012 powderpuff schedule wereby 10-2 or 9-3 in regular season is attainable.

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  69. If he were "just offering", would any prospects come to visit Pitt or attend any of the mini group sessions that Chryst will be hosting? Obviously he is doing more than that. Can't believe you've referenced that 100 times already.

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  70. Can I say I told you so regarding Kugler... look at my earlier posts above...
    I came out and said Chryst won't land Kugler!!

    Yes, I've referenced "just offer" a 100 times because it is the dumbest... stupidest thing i ever heard a coach say regarding recruiting...
    but to make matters worse... look at his actions compared to his competitors!!!

    Now, we should NOT be crucifying Chryst yet.... because quite frankly, if you were Kugler, would you want to see your Dad everyday at school!!! That is why I didn't think Pitt had a shot at him.

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  71. Joe D, your posts kill more brain cells than alcohol.

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    1. What hes been posting today is very reasonable. I agree with him. And if you read this blog youll see i NEVER agree with him.

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    2. I would argue that Joe D's insistent posting is far from reasonable.

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  72. I just read that steven adams was selected the other day to play in the jordan brand classic on april 14th. Good for him. Thats quite an accomplishment

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    1. Where did you read that? I don't see him on the list....

      http://espn.go.com/high-school/boys-basketball/story/_/id/7529171/2012-jordan-brand-classic-rosters

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  73. 10-2 or 9-3 would be great. Who cares about the competition? Going into a recruits house next February after a 10-2 or 9-3 year is an easier sell than going in saying "come here, we were 6-7 last year". It's about winning, period. Look at Pitt BBall for guidance on scheduling. Cupcake city (usually) and then Big East. Winning and putting kids into the next league attracts kids.

    If Pitt puts together two years in a row of 9-3, the recruits will come. Kugler doesn't go to Michigan if Rich Rod and his .500 winning percentage was their or if Hoke cam in and went 6-7.

    That said, Hoke comes in and wins. How difficult was Michigans schedule and secondly, who did they lose to this year? Who did they beat to pad the stats? Minnesota,WesternMichigan, Eastern Michigan? San Diego State, Illinois? Name me a powerhouse on their schedule based on talent (not historical performance)that they beat? A stretch answer would be OSU or Nebraska but they have been down. Historical names sound tough, but realistically, not a difficult schedule.

    So although I agree that weak schedules and Big East perception can be used against Pitt in recruiting to some extent, wins overcome that. Right now, our Coach has zero Wins.

    Have I mentioned that I put the majority of blame on Smiley Peterson for botching the handling of Wannstedt, Haygood and Graham? Can't wait for a new Administration. Get rid of the "meddler". If anyone probes Bostad further, smiley at the helm played a big part in him leaving. Good attempt to cover by Chryst, but when the leader in Administration is viewed as a joke, talented people leave because they feel no comfort level.

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  74. Joe D - regarding your comments:

    Also read what he said about the inability to land elite players!
    He mention 4 names.. Kugler, Foster, Boyd, Johnson?

    Kugler was never coming to Pitt - he's not even from Pittsburgh so he felt no hometown connection, so let that go. But if we get at least 2 out of the remaining 3 that you mention, will you be happy with that? Would you finally calm down? You seriously have a disorder to be this negative, as it's only Feb 25th!

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    1. Johnson and foster are must gets. Pitt needs a huge influx of talent, as dokish says, at the wide reciever abd offensive line positions. Johnson is favoring pittand hes visiting today and we all know about foster. Malik zaire or any other top qb would be the icing on the cake.

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    2. Kids from NA never go to Pitt....

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  75. burghguy68...
    What you just said is the dumbest thing I ever read on any blog... he lacked hometown connection...
    his father is the effing OL coach for the Steelers!!!
    His brother went to Purdue because Graham didn't use the traditional TE type.

    but you know... "just offer"...

    but Pitt needs OL... but it is desparate for DL types... they are going to a 4-3 and don't have enough bodies at DL let alone talent!!

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    1. I'm assuming you aren't including your own comments as the dumbest things you've seen on any blog. Any how burghguy is right...Kugler moved here only a few years ago and so what if his dad works for the Steelers, the point is that his family isn't rooted here

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  76. anonymous...
    you know how stupid that is.... that includes you for supporting that position....
    that means NO players OUTSIDE of wpial will come to PITT because they don't have that "hometown" connection..

    The next thing I'm going to read...
    well, didn't really want Kugler anyway...

    so many here are either in denial....
    or are ok with mediocre so long as the team is 100% wpial recruits!! Ridiculous

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  77. nope not what i mean...you have such a hard time wrapping your head around anyone elses comments bc you are so tied up in your own. and you're right we don't want kugler anyway.

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  78. Kugler just committed to Michigan...Chris was right - ended up in the Big 10.

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    1. This was established at 9 this morning.

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  79. @jackagain, Thats from his coach

    For some reason the link wont paste good steven adams jordan brand classic and its the one on www.stuff.co

    Sorry i dont have a link

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  80. Johnson from Belle Vernon...
    That should be an automatic "get" for Rudolph being a Belle Vernon native.
    Now, if Chryst and Rudolph can land Johnson....
    then...
    you fill in the blank.. I'd be speechless or say.. told you so.

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    1. I would prefer speechless.

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    2. I prefer speechless also. Rushel shell ? stars
      Voytik ? stars
      Joed, no matter what u say they are at Pitt and signed after Chryst was hired, so they are his recruits. period
      Just to name two.

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  81. By no means should that be an automatic yet...again you are only using logic in your statement when in fact emotion plays a large part in these kids' decisions. he's going to go where he feels most comfortable and likes it and it's Rudolphs job to promote pitt by just bc he is from the same town doesn't mean it is or should be a shoe in...way to many other factors that are really out of anyone other than johnson's family's control.

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