Friday, February 3, 2012

Future ACC football divisions set

Atlantic Division:

Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Maryland
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

Coastal Division:

Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Syracuse is Pitt's primary partner meaning the school from the other division that they will play every year.

While there will be no divisions in basketball, Pitt's primary partner will be Maryland, which means they will play them home and home every year.  That will be good for recruiting purposes since Pitt often recruits in the Maryland area.

For football recruiting, playing against Virginia and Virginia Tech every year will be good because it opens up a fertile recruiting area.

42 comments:

  1. i hate the new division, id rather play FSU, Clemson every yr then Miami and VT...o well..
    why did we get stuck with MD for hoops and not Cuse????

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  2. I like the fact of seeing VT and the U everyother year and then one of the other like FSU

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  3. I think this alignment is good. I like playing our old Big East rivals like Miami and VA Tech every year. I would have rathered we played Maryland every year, but I can live with that dissapointment. Now let's get the F- out of the Big East and into the ACC as soon as possible!!!

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  4. Awesome!! I moved to South Florida just in time for Miami to bolt to the ACC. Finally get to see Pitt every other year and not have to spend a fortune to get there.

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  5. I live in Richmond, VA....this is about as good as it could be.

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  6. Competitively, this is a bit unbalanced. "Atlantic" has two very strong programs (FSU, Clemson) and 5 programs that range from erratic to weak.

    "Coastal" (Does the Mon have two 'coasts'?) has only one truly weak program (Duke), one very strong program (VA Tech), and 5 middling to strong programs (although UVA might eventually revert to form).

    It does make ESPN-sense, since the 'Coastal' looks like it has better potential TV matchups -- from that aspect, good for Pitt.

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  7. Like the ACC setup. Great football with some rivalries in place and enjoy traveling to VA Tech and UVA. In hoops, agree Maryland will be very good for basketball recruiting. Hopefully we will not have to wait two more football seasons before we get to play this schedule. Glad we did not get Maryland as cross over for football.

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  8. This was the lazy way for the ACC to handle expansion. To do it right should have been a North / South split at the NC/ Va ste line, putting Miami in the North. Rivalries and travel time to away games would have been easy to handle. Crossover opponents could have maintained the FSU/Miami and the Va /NC rivalries.
    I miss that Md is not an annual football game since they are are closest ACC opponent.
    We could have had GT for our crossover and it would have matched to urban schools dealing with pro sports teams .
    I think the ACC missed the boat. I've read other blogs and they are saying the ACC died losing their long held basketball rivalries, only happy campers in the ACC are VT.

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    1. Agree, I really thought that was the way to go and am surprised they didn't.

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  9. For everyone who considers being in the same division with Miami a good thing: we've beaten them once in 35 years. I can probably count the number of times we came within 20 of them on one hand.

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  10. Potential to recruit well enough for a top-10 team every year:

    Coastal Division: Miami, Georgia Tech, UNC, VT.

    Atlantic Division: Florida State, Clemson.

    Very unbalanced IMO.

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  11. Living in DC, this was the best possible outcome for me. Hour and half trip to Charlottesville...check. 4 hour drive to VaTech...check. 1/2 hour drive to MD...check. 4 hour drive to Duke...check. 4 hour drive to UNC...check. Friends that have gone to these schools and have season tickets...check. Happy Pitt fan...check.

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  12. North/South would have made so much more sense — not just geographically (Coastal and Atlantic? What the difference?), but for rivalries. My selections:

    NORTH DIVISION:
    Boston College
    Syracuse
    PITT
    Maryland
    Virginia Tech
    Virginia
    Georgia Tech

    SOUTH DIVISION:
    North Carolina
    North Carolina State
    Duke
    Wake Forest
    Clemson
    Florida State
    Miami

    OK. So GaTech would be an odd-ball. But, as Anonymous pointed out, they are an urban school, battling with two others in BC, Pitt and Maryland. Add to that VaTech and Virginia, which have tons of urban alumni in the DC area, and Syracuse, with its ties to NYC and even New Jersey.

    It would be Northern football vs. Southern football, more or less. And I think the competition would be pretty balanced within the divisions.

    Pitt would get all its old Big East rivals back — plus Maryland, creating a new rivalry (that we can only hope the administration wouldn't be so foolish to name ... like the stupid "River City Rivalry" with Cincy.) Pitt's "Play Out" game could be Miami, bringing the old Big East powers full circle. But I'd even give that to VT, and take someone else. Why not Duke or UNC? "Smart school" vs. "Smart school"?

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    1. My preference would have been (Division names to be determined later):

      Division A

      Boston College
      Maryland
      Miami
      Pittsburgh
      Syracuse
      Virginia
      Virginia Tech

      Division B

      Clemson
      Duke
      Florida State
      Georgia Tech
      North Carolina
      NC State
      Wake Forest


      This would be a basic North-South, Former Big East-Heart of ACC split. It would also provide at least a bi-annual trip to Florida for every school, for recruiting purposes.

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    2. North / South would have been the best but you need one fl school in each division for recruiting purposes. Miami is hike for everyone in the conference that is why they should have been in the north. The seven school south of the VA / NC state line could have been the south division with crossover rivalries being Va/ NC, Miami / Fl St, Pitt/ GT, etc.
      ACC missed the boat. Also if you have one crossover rival in football with 9 conference games then why not 2 crossover opponents for 18 basketball games. Everything I read on the blogs has complaints about the basketball rivalries being harmed.

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  13. Steve Pederson wet the bed again with his negotiating skills. I will be so glad when the good, not great Chancellor retires. The new Chancellor will escort smiley out pretty quickly and Pitt can get a true Director, not a smiling idiot who gets lost strategically. Pederson didn't lead us to the ACC, Pitt as an institution did.

    I like the North/South. It would have worked well for VT so there would have been support there. Also would have kept the BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt connections. Bad sales job smiling steve, bad sales job.

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    1. we didn't even have a vote for the division realignment

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  14. dhuffdaddy, no one was going to sell the rest of the conference on North/South. It was never going to happen. Every school required consistent access to the fertile recruiting grounds of the south.

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  15. Keep an eye on Rutgers....
    4 assistants may join Schiano... Hafley, Cignetti, Angelico and 4th.
    2 have accepted.. Hafley and Cig considering...
    Some recruits may ask out of ships... he has happened and permitted.

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  16. I don't know if those kids would get out but I would like to see Hafley and Angelechio out of college because they are beating Pitt like a drum in their respective recruiting areas.

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    1. It's possible..
      Ejuan Price got out of it at OSU and went to PItt.
      Delvin Simmons got out of it at NC and went to Texas Tech.
      All due to coaching change, etc.

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  17. It was made abundantly clear that most, if not all, in the ACC did NOT want to do a North/South division.

    Pitt and Syracuse also did not havr votes in this, as they are not members yet.

    aapm: Georgia Tech and North Carolina are less likely to recruit a Top 10 football class than Pitt.

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  18. Yeah, I think NC could be an excellent program with the right coach and they are underachievers in my opinion. But Georgia Tech would be hard pressed to have a huge recruiting year and to be honest I think it would be even less likely that Pitt.

    As for the divisions, Pitt couldn't do anything about that. The individual schools have their reasons for why it is the way it is and what Pitt thinks really doesn't matter. They are just one vote.

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  19. That said, Chris (and others), Pitt didn't come off so bad with near ZERO power on the breakdown.

    We'll do fine in this conference — a step up from the BE that I believe Chryst will embrace. He will succeed. I expect runs for the ACC conference championship by the time his first class become seniors. (Let's hope we have a coach who will last his first class' years.)

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  20. Chris, do the other ACC teams typicall sell out there stadiums and are they similar in size to Heinz Field. Just wondering if we can all get tickets easily to the away games and if it will sway recruits if all the other schools play in front of packed houses all the time. I can only think this well help get butts in Heinz field with a new schedule atleast for the first couple years.

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    1. UVa has not been selling out as long as I have made the trip there. Only for the VT game...when the Hokies take that place over.

      Duke is an easy ticket.
      VT is always sold out.

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  21. As much as we'd like to blame SP, that isn't being realistic. The ACC was going to do what it wanted to do, and it was never even considering a north/south major upheaval to its alignment, simply to appease its two newest members. Plugging Pitt / Syracuse in the existing conferences was inevitable and and unstoppable.
    I can tell you one thing, as a season ticket holder having the chance to see VT or Miami every year at Heinz field is way better than anything we had to look forward to in the BE mess. With north/south, IMO you would never see Chryst making any headway recruiting in the south, especially Fla.

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    1. If Chryst does not make headway into Fl for recruiting then he will fail as Pitt's head coach.

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  22. Chris, this isnt related to the acc but is pitt still recruiting the cali juco andrew young? If so, where do they stand?

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  23. Do you see Dixon scheduling any of the old Big East Foes: UConn, Nova, GTwon for a non conference game or maybe one of the New York schools to appease some of the recruits.

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  24. They continually recruit dozens of guys at a time and are always monitoring them. He is just one of many. Only when they actually make a committable offer to a player does it get serious and that happens a lot less than people think

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  25. Dixon really doesn't like to play those caliber of opponents out of conference, especially with the tough ACC schedule he'll already have.

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  26. What's going to happen if WVU does actually leave this year. They are already down a game from TCU leaving. I read Boise definately wants to wait one more year.

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  27. The whole thing is a mess because the Big East has their panties in a bunch.

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    1. If you read the most recent goings on of WVU v Big East in the WV courts... WVU got a couple wins. Suit was not dismissed nor stayed..
      Basically what I said before, what damages does WVU need to pay to leave early!!!
      If that happens, expect Pitt to jump on same!!!

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  28. The Coastal is much tougher. It will be difficult for Chryst to win that. VA is really coming on strong too. UNC is a sleeping giant as well.

    As for Dixons OOC scheduling, he needs to play someone. While the new ACC will be the best league, it wont be better than the old BigEast. There is nothing wrong with continuing to play Nova or GTown. Fans would in PGH and DC/Philly would def. enjoy that. One real OOC game shouldnt kill their record. Its inexcuseable to play a schedule like they did this year.

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  29. If the ACC dictates so much (and I agree with that)then why was our Chancellor so adamant about giving so much credit to Pederson for getting Pitt and leading Pitt into the ACC? Just proved my point that Pederson is a figure head we can do without. Thanks for hitting the lob.

    Rutgers sold out their new recruits by promoting a Coach in an effort to save a class. In order to deceive the class even more, Schiano and Rutgers hold off announcing a Tampa Bay staff until after LOI is complete. Those kids were exploited and should search out programs with ethics immediately. You reap what you sow Rutgers. I think it will be used against Rutgers for a long time in recruiting. IF (big if), Rutgers was smart, they would approach each kid and offer them an opportunity to change commitments if they so desire, give them a cut-off date for which to effectuate the change and then move forward. That would be an ethical move but I don't think they have the morals to do it.

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    1. Pederson had no role in positioning Pitt for the ACC invite. ESPN made the ACC expansion happen promising more money and to inflict damage on the Big East for not signing a new contract . BC then blocked Connecticut's membership which left Syracuse and Pitt. Stevie had no role the ACC invite fell into his lap.

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  30. Chris, is there any chance pitt over signs again and ends up with four signees in the 2012 class?

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  31. Now that these divisions have been settled, it is the perfect time for Pitt to go in for the kill on Penn State -- resumption of their series.

    Penn State is weak right now politically and needs friends. The main person blocking the series is gone (RIP). Plus, Pitt is in a stable conference and now clearly has no interest in the B10+2. So, Penn State would not be helping to prop up the weak BEast or giving Pitt a B10+2 audition.

    As for Penn State wanting 3 OOC home games -- I think enough pressure, the allure of resuming the series, bolstering their reputation, and a national broadcast would compensate for that.

    As for ND. My guess is they will drop Pitt in the near future. They no longer need Pitt's political support in the BEast. This is not some huge rivalry, like Michigan, Mich State, or USC. Why give Pitt and home-and-home? There are plenty of teams out there who would accept ND's check and dictates.

    Pederson and Nordenberg should press for a 10 or 20-year contract ASAP. Don't wait for State to recover.

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  32. Agree with you Pensfan,

    I would very much prefer the resumption of the Pitt/Penn State rivalry in football. With Penn State's current downturn and their need for public support in the state of Pennsylvania, now would be the time to wrangle a long term commitment out of them. Ending WVU series is a no brainer and I am not that keen about Notre Dame. The Golden Domers also have little interest in Pitt now that we are leaving the Big Least. Ending the series on their part would seem to be justice for Pitt's defection. It would also give them another game to schedule with their new conference members.

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  33. Why is this blog on west coast time? This was posted at 7:16 PM EST.

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