Sunday, March 25, 2012

Malik Zaire commits to Notre Dame

The Pitt recruiting class was dealt another early blow this year as athletic Ohio quarterback Malik Zaire committed to Notre Dame.  Zaire was Pitt staff's main target at quarterback and the Panthers were considered one of his favorites.  He chose Notre Dame over Pitt, Wisconsin, Alabama, Nebraska, and Ohio State, among many others.

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  1. Not looking good for Chrysts recruiting efforts. Losing big local target after another.

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  2. It will be borderline hilarious when Pitt loses out on the top local guys, too.

    Pitt footbaw! Catch the fever!

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  3. Notre Dame usually gets the better prospects, then they do little or nothing with them. Paul Chryst will do fine. They won't get all the top prospects but he didn't get them at Wisconsin either. With a full year to recruit they will do as good a job as anyone.

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  4. Everyone knows I've been coming down hard on Chryst and crew regarding recruiting...
    and losing out on Zaire... I don't think that is a big deal.
    I never thought Pitt had a shot at Zaire... why.
    - Voytik ahead of Zaire and unknown if he can beat out Voytik.

    However, McGlinchy committed to Notre Dame also... big OL fella from east PA...
    now, losing out on McGlinchy is a big deal!!!

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  5. Some recruiting stats per rivals...
    Pitt has made 50 offers (not including Orndoff)...
    8 have committed to other schools

    42 outstanding offers...

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  6. I think McGlinchy was PSU's to lose, and they lost him. I don't think Pitt had a shot at him.

    This isn't all that bad, as Dorian Johnson will come to Pitt...and I think Chavis Rawlings will likely pick Pitt, as a QB. Especially now that Zaire is out of the picture. And Rawlings' brother is a stud LB that hopefully will pick Pitt as well in a few years.

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    1. Chavis will probably move to another position... he is an athlete. I don't see him as a starting QB. He threw 12 interceptions on 153 attempts as a Junior.

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  7. Not a huge loss, IMO. Elite prospect probably didn't want to be behind Voytik, who I think will be an excellent college QB.

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    1. Kiel the #1 QB from this year class signed at ND so thats not a legit reason.

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  8. Well, if chryst cant get Chapman then hes going to have to pull a trick out of his a$$ to get a top notch qb. Chapmans offer list isnt nearly as impressive as zaires and osu hasnt offered so pitts chances might be better with him.

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  9. Zaire is definitely not afraid of Voytik.

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    1. My view from Ohio is that Zaire can run well, pass OK, his mechanics are odd, his motion long, but his arm strong. He looks good for an option offense or a spread, but not nearly as impressive as Vojtik overall.

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  10. Maybe with Voytik coming in, AND Kincade looming behind. Pitt's not necessarily in dire need to add a QB this time around. I think its a non issue if we lose out on Zaire, and someone mentioned Kiel from Notre Dame....How many schools did he commit too? March verbal commitments aren't exactly binding, especially when you are dealing with a bunch of 17 year olds.


    The regular season is a great recruiting tool, lets see what happens when that rolls around.

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    1. pitts not in a dire need to add a qb???? from what weve seen from pitts current qbs, and not knowing AT ALL how voytik will perform, pitt doesnt just need another qb or two, they need a huge influx of talent at the position, just like in other positions. todd graham didnt exactly aim to build depth so now thats chrysts problem to solve. he needs about 8 or 9 commits just in the trenches 9-11 if you add qbs.

      if im chryst, im staying on zaire hard but im also looking out for other options that have talent comparable to zaires. pitt needs at least one top notch qb this class

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    2. what is your definition of top notch?
      Voytik is unknown... but a hard worker, gone to qb camps since a soph, etc etc.
      Pitt needs to recuit a QB every year.. Doubtful it will land 4star QB's every year... if they can land them every other year that would be great.

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    3. top notch as in one of the top tier qb prospects. qb is a position that needs to stockpiled. you cant always get the 4 stars but thats what pitt needs right now. qb is the most important position on the field. good qbs make bad teams good, bad qbs make good teams bad. what i mean is if you want to win games, you need good qb play. the season pitt had good qb play they won 10 games and was a missed fg from a bcs game versus florida.

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    4. Jim, a GREAT regular season is a great recruiting tool. But until I hear otherwise, we're still at great risk for another year of Cirq du Sunseri.

      The words "Tino Sunseri" and "great regular season" do not belong in the same sentence.

      Point being, if (?) Tino plays again, a year from now we may be wishing for a return of 2012, the "glory years" of Chryst's recruiting, when we could at least get 2-3 star recruits...

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  11. Still definitely have a shot a Champman you'd figure. I prefer him to be honest anyways can absolutely throw it.

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  12. Well with Voytik and Kincade(if he stays) thats 2 out of 3 recruiting hauls with a 4 star QB.....Plus if you land a Rawlins as a stop gap. Whats the problem with that? And we may have something with Myers too. You know what happens when you have three-four four star Quarterbacks on one roster? They transfer anyway. Is it imperative that they add a 4 Star this class? Absolutely not. IF they add someone, sure great. Russell Wilson was a 2 star fyi.

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    1. Agree with you Jim..
      no reason to chase a QB or spend time chasing a top notch QB for this class.
      The top needs for 2013 class are DL and OL!!! That is where all the time should be spent trying to land top recruits... Pitt is fairly deep in other positions except WR.

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    2. Pitt desperately needs more QBs. And they aren't going to sign 25 linemen.

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    3. Then need to sign up a QB every year...
      But to expect a top notch (4 star type) every year is unrealistic for Pitt.
      Chavis is probably the "QB" albeit not the starter type...

      Can't believe I'm defending Chryst.... or missing out on Zaire on this one.

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    4. If you at the kids Chryst had success with at QB at Wisconsin, how many of them were 4 stars? Granted, Wisconsin lives on having five road graders on the line and running it down your throat, but they have put QB's into the NFL. Wouldn't worry about losing one kid.

      Can't believe I'm agreeing with Joe D, but he is right on this one. Pitt needs OL and DL moreso than QB recruits at this time.

      Mike W.

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    5. Mike W..
      Just saying, so much time in a day for recruiting...
      and most of their time should be focused on OL and DL... not chasing some primadonna QB.

      Also, seems Chryst will only work with 3 QB's at a time... Banks has been moved already.. seems Gonzo will be moved also. Anderson doesn't count... so it will be Sunseri, Meyer, and Voytik in the fall.

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    6. They have one quarterback for the future. They desperately need more. Losing just one is not the end of the world but to say they don't badly need more for the future is just plain wrong. They can take as many as 25 players and the lines will account for probably no more than 10 of that so it's not like there isn't room for many positions.

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    7. I think they'll get more QB recruits in the future, but I also don't think that will happen until Chryst establishes this team's offensive identity. Playing a pro-set offense pretty much dictates that you have to get the roadgraders for OL and the bigger athletic kids for DL. Thankfully the cupboard isn't bare from when Wanny was here, I'm hoping the main difference is that Chryst can identify and obtain QB talent where Wanny couldn't.

      Mike W.

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  13. The jury is still out on Kincade because he's still young and really hasn't reached the point yet where he's a definite top prospect. And there's serious doubt about whether or not Rawlins will even stay at QB. And then of course there is the little fact that Rawlins is far from a sure thing to even come to Pitt. Bottom line, you need elite talent at QB to be an excellent program, there are only so many of them that Pitt has a shot at, and until Pitt gets one in this class to replace missing out on Zaire, it has to be considered a big loss for the time being.

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  14. We needed star athletic QBs moreso under Graham's offense than Chrysts. We need OLs, desperately, to play smash-mouth.

    Remember when Wanny came, he said we'd run the ball come [heck] or high water? And when he tried, it was laughable for coupla years until he got large enough horses in place to move the pile and create holes?

    You or I could hand off the ball. But unless we get some OLs, the laughter (or perhaps crying...) will resume.

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    1. You cant be elite without great qb play no matter how well you run the ball

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  15. I love Pitt but some of you guys need to look at the whole picture here. From an outsider, Pitt is an absolute mess. What do they have to sell? Consistency? BCS bowls? coaching stability? The only thing PItt has going for it is academics, and its (past) tradition. Saying any of these 4 or 5 star guys are must-gets may be asking too much. Pitt needs to win and win soon to give recruits something tangible.

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    1. I couldn't disagree more. Pitt fans have to demand more from their program. Unfortunately what I'm seeing is a lot of people saying that Pitt is screw ups and that's that. I would hope the people who run the Pitt football program doesn't have such a defeatist attitude. Hell, look at Penn State. They should be devastated in recruiting circles but instead they just keep plowing ahead like nothing's happened. At Pitt, it's more like, "yeah, we keep blowing it so what's the point?" If you want to be a great program, you have to act like a great program. And that means less woe is me and more taking the bull by the horns and convince the best players around that they would be crazy not to go to Pitt. That's what great recruiting is.

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    2. But that takes the right coach. Someone that is aggressive and won't take no for an answer. Not sure Chryst is that guy. So unfortunately, we may HAVE to wait for him to coach up the kids and then hope to pull them in based on success. That's a problem in my opinion and why I'm not sure he's the right guy for the job.

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  16. A former G.A. at Pitt told me this: "People have no idea how hard it is to recruit at Pitt. A number of recruits told us that they love Pitt and the coaches, but playing in front of a half-filled Heinz Field as oppossed to 100,000 at PSU,Mich,ND,OSU, etc... makes them choose other schools. You can be a great recruiter, but most bluechip prospects want to play in front of people not yellow seats.

    And I don't want to hear, "if they win, fans will come." It works both ways. Pitt will only get a few bluechip prospects evrey year as long as 25,000 fans show up for gameday.

    It completely irritates me that some Pitt fans think that Pitt has to earn their support. You are a fan, or not its that simple.

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    1. Did the former G.A. have a problem with our recruiting during DW's tenure? He didn't get a QB, but otherwise, he had PLENTY of talent, just wasn't a good college head coach. So this idea that recruiting is impossible against those teams is not believable to me. If Pitt could have gotten as much talent that it has over the last 10 years when it wasn't winning consistently and supposedly had a half-filled Heinz Field - which is completely untrue I might add - then there isn't anything prevent it from recruiting successfully against those schools if they are winning.

      Pitt has plenty to offer that those schools don't, especially PSU, Michigan, and ND, which are in the middle of nowhere. Gameday atmosphere is only one part of the equation, and with a couple more wins, that will take care of itself.

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    2. FWIW, his time as a G.A. was during Wanny's tenure.

      Pitt's recruiting was at the top of the Big East during Wanny's tenure,and yes they should have won more with him at the helm. But compared to a national level, Wanny's recruiting was just average. That's not an indictment of Wanny, in fact its the exact opposite.

      My point is Pitt will get SOME bluechip recruits every year, but fans that consistently whine over not beating out those teams mentioned above for 4 and 5 star recruits are delusional.

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    3. I don't think Pitt fans are delusional enough to think they can get elite prospects that the program has no ties to. But Zaire really liked Pitt and they poof, he was gone just like that. I was hoping Pitt would put up a better fight than that. Same with Kugler. People say "oh well he was never going to go to Pitt". That may be, but that doesn't mean Pitt shouldn't at least be considered. The kid didn't even look seriously at Pitt. Then there are the other so-called 4 and 5 star players in western PA. Pitt is in the ACC now, they have a great history, fine school, etc. There's no reason why, with excellent recruiting, Pitt can't keep almost every elite western PA prospect at home. If Pitt gets out recruited by Penn State with what's happening up there, and/or they lose most of the local elite players, then this Paul Chryst era is really starting off badly.

      I'm not saying that Chryst will miss on these guys, but Boyd, Rawlins, and Christian are already favoring WVU over Pitt and Kugler is gone to Michigan. Orndoff and Dorian Johnson would be two excellent additions but IF that's the only two top recruits they get in their own backyard then that's a very bad sign.

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    4. If those three are favoring WVU over Pitt at this point I'd have to seriously question what's guiding they're thought process. WVU isn't a great school for academics and doesn't put many kids in the NFL, plus they're closest away game will now be in Ames, Iowa.

      Chryst is getting tight with most of the HS coaches in the WPIAL, when all is said and done those three are probably at Pitt.

      Mike W.

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    5. Recruiting blue chip kids all comes down to two things - how soon will I play and can that particular staff develop me to the point where I'm getting into the NFL. People can complain right now about Pitt attendance if they want, but those kids really do not care about that all that much. If it was such a major factor, Wanny wouldn't have been able to bring the talent that he did here, because a lot of those kids were being recruited by the no other game in town programs that draw 100K per game. If you want examples, try Nate Byham, Jonathan Baldwin and Dorin Dickersonjust for starters. Those kids could have gone anywhere, they chose Pitt because they thought Wanny could get them to the NFL, which he did.

      Mike W.

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    6. Kids do not care about "how soon I will play." If they did, why would Zaire go to ND, Kugler to Mich, who already had 4 OL commits, and McGlinchey to ND (their 4th OL)...and there are many others. If kids wanted to play early, Pitt would be raking in the top recruits in the country.

      FWIW, Byham, Dickerson, Baldwin are all local kids (western pa). When I said Pitt will get SOME bluechip recruits every year, those are the ones I'm talking about. The Zaire's (Dayton) and McGlinchey's (Philly) of the world are going to be much more difficult.

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  17. Hopefully ACC will change the schedule enough to attract casual fans. Pitt/Chryst needs to win to compete for recruits.

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    1. I think that Pitt/Chryst has to compete for the recruits in order to get them. He can't "just offer". To be a successful college coach you have to be hyper-aggressive in recruiting.

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    2. Yep you still wont let it die.

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