Sunday, March 18, 2012

Panthers land TE Scott Orndoff

Paul Chryst's first commitment for 2012 is an excellent one.  Former Wisconsin commit Paul Orndoff of Seton LaSalle HS in Pittsburgh committed to the Panthers today over West Virginia, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Boston College.  And that offer list would have been better if he wasn't considered a heavy Pitt lean.

I've made no attempt to hide how I feel about him as a prospect.  At 6'5" and 250 pounds, he already has NFL size.  But what makes him special to me is his speed, agility, and ability to run after the catch. I think he can be a really special player.  Chryst, along with Joe Rudolph, are specialists when it comes to turning tight ends into stars.  With Orndoff, along with Shaler's J.P. Holtz, the Panthers tight end corps have a chance to be spectacular in the future.

159 comments:

  1. This is a great get. Hopefully this gets the ball rolling in terms of commitments. This was one of pitts "must gets" along with foster, boyd, and dorian johnson so hopefully those will follow

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  2. So orndoff and hotlz will be great tight ends just like Adams and birch would form a great frontcourt....joke

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    1. this comment is a joke...get your head out of your @$$

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  3. I like this kid.... because he runs track!!!
    He runs 100, 200, 400...
    His PR in the 100 is 11.6. That is pretty good for a kid his size.

    By comparison, Rob Foster 100 PR is 11.19!

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  4. Chris - I hear Pitt is having a big Junior Day in about 2 weeks. Do you know the invitees and which ones are coming? I am especially interested to hear about NJ, because I still don't know who is recruiting that area. P.S. Agree about the PG

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  5. Quote from the PGH-Trib. Sounds like several places were high on him. Solid commit.

    "Orndoff had scholarship offers from Pitt, Wisconsin, Boston College, Michigan, Michigan State and Virginia"

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  6. Joe D - does Foster run track for Central Valley? I'll get a chance to see him if he does, when my kid's team faces CV.

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    1. D-Rob ran track last year and did quite well. I believe the kid from Clairton beat him. I have also heard that Foster ran up 14th street hill in Monaca everyday last summer prepping for the 2011 football season. He should be one of the better runners this year in the state. If anybody knows that hill it is something to drive up let alone walk or for his sake RUN up!

      D-Rob reminds of Revis when he was in high school. I seen lots of Revis and have seen almost every high school game of Fosters(I live in Center township). They both glide. It looks like they are not moving until somebody almost "touches" them then they just glide right on by them! Cant wait to see how he does this coming year. It will be interesting since they are lacking the athletes and the lineman this coming season.

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    2. Quip,
      Most of quip players (Revis, Law, etc) did the hill behind the old high school... 200m repeats. Now if they ran Plan 12 hill repeats, that would be something else!!! lol That thing must be a 35-45 degree angle and 600m.
      Anyway, below is the link to Foster track profile.

      http://pa.milesplit.com/athletes/1497806-robert-foster

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  7. This is a great start for the 2013 class. Let's hope this is the beginning of an excellent recruiting year for Coach Chryst and staff.

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  8. Chris I completely agree with your twitter post of the Post gazette being a mess. What the heck did they do to that thing?? Somebody needs disciplined for that, it's horrible!!

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    1. I agree 100% with you and Chris about the P-G's website. It's a trainwreck that's unreadable. They should go back to the original format. Why couldn't they leave well enough alone?

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  9. Scott-player, Paul-wrestler?

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  10. I am also disappointed in the PG. Pitt news is much more informative on this blog, and I was APPALLED at the new format. What the hell is that?

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  11. Glad to see Pitt land a commitment.
    Personally, I think the reason for the quietness of Pitt recruiting is the result of the last 16 months of turnover with the program. Switching from pro-style offense and 4-3 defense, to “high-octane” and a 3-4, then back to pro–style is killing us.

    I believe there are a lot of good FB players that are keeping their eye on Pitt and how they play under Coach Chryst. They are taking a “wait-and-see” approach to their interest in Pitt.

    If Chryst can get them to perform well in the BE in his first year – meaning that they play disciplined FB, don’t lose to the Bowling Greens, or blow 21 point leads – playing for Pitt will become a real possibility.

    Can’t wait to see how this plays out.

    RKR

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  12. With the last name Orndoff being so close to Orndorff, we have to call him "Mr. Wonderful"!

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  13. @Chris,

    Seems like a good recruit IF they utilize the TE's (something a lot of teams neglect to do.) Good for Tino on those short to intermediate routes. Any idea if these guys can block?
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    @Joe Bull,

    Mr. Wonderful was an outstanding RB (I believe,) at the University of Tampa before they did away with their football program.

    Pittbull

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    1. Well, if it's one thing that Chryst and Rudolph does, it's to utilize TEs, so that's not going to be a problem. As for blocking, I don't see that as a problem either.

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  14. Let's get a verbal from a JuCo tackle next. Reports early are not good at the position. I wasn't expecting a huge splash from Ricketts, but I'm hoping he nails down the starting job. He and Rotherman could be the starters for the next three seasons and stabilize those spots.

    This staff has to have a quick-fix approach to the line if it wants to win games and win over the fans.

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  15. Maybe you guys that have been trashing Chryst and his staff's ability to recruit can relax for 5 minutes after landing Orndoff

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  16. Talking to you Joe D (which D stands for dumbass)!

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  17. Such a child...
    and to post under anonymous to boot...
    1 recruit doesn't mean anything... geesh...
    last I saw, you need 11 offense and 11 defense to play the game... not including special teams...

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    1. i hate when people do this, one person in particular does it: imma man im 40. you rip a guy for posting under "anonymous" when we all do the same damn thing!!! if youre not putting your full name in the post them you are posting ANONYMOUSLY!!! pk is anynoymous, joe d is anonymous, imma man im 40 are all just as anonymous and "anonymous"!!!! the only poster who doesnt post here anonymously is chris, but its his blog. people act like someones a coward if theyre post has "anonymous" at the top, when your tag on here is just as secretive, geesh.

      and the, its just 1 recruit nonsense is bs. under that logic, foster is just 1 recruit, boyd is just 1 recruit, zaire is just 1 recruit. joe, just admit it. chryst got a good prospect to commit so just swallow your pride for a few minutes

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  18. @ Joe D...doesn't it strike you that some of your comments are pompous. As a result, that may be why you are sometimes dissed by loyal writers.

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    1. Anon-You are assuming a lot by inferring Joe D has the capacity to appreciate anything beyond his myopic view of the world. I already can predict his response:

      "I'm just telling facts!!!"
      "You are drinking the koolaid"

      blah blah blah...

      The more attention we give to him by responding to his asinine claims, the more he blabbers on...

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    2. I could care less what you think...
      Just the facts!

      Chryst landed 1 recruit... a gimme so to say... one with NO stars (probably a 3 star) and you are all lining up to say... wow... look at the Chryst... he is such a great recruiter!!!

      If you look at my position regarding Chryst and recruiting... it is similar to Dokish but I don't see you slamming dokish... now do you!

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    3. Whoa, don't throw me in there. I think Pitt got one excellent prospect and I'm reserving final judgement until the entire class comes in. I wouldn't say that's similar.

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    4. For the record, at the time of this posting, not ONE comment on this thread says anything about Chryst being a great recruiter. Most comments speak to the excitement of the recruit's potential and the hope that this Orndoff is just the start of a great recruiting class.

      Joe D, your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps if you took a moment to actually read and consider what others have said you wouldn't generate so many negative responses to your own thoughts.

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    5. Chris,
      I'm talking about statements you made such as:

      "But I wasn't impressed at all how he formed his staff and I have no idea what they're doing on the recruiting trail. Well actually I do know and what they're doing is very little so far. It's not about the amount of verbal commitments they have, which officially stands at zero, but rather the total lack of buzz on the recruiting trail."

      I have and still do have major concerns on how Chryst and crew are going about recruiting... and 1 committ (albeit a good one) doesn't change that. The 2013 class is soooo important as that will determine how Pitt will do in the next 3-4 years.

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    6. Sam E...
      I suggest you read my post... the 4th listed above..

      I like this kid... etc etc
      gave his track results... etc etc

      my other posts were all positive untill MR. Anonymous bashing me (due to previous posts over the weeks bashing Chryst and crew)

      I suggest you READ!!! SamE

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    7. Yeah, I have some concerns at first, but I'm not declaring him a failure yet, which you seem to be doing. I think he will at least be an excellent offensive coach and he'll probably do as well as Harris and Wannstedt in the long run. Most of my concerns are that I don't know if he has what it takes to be better than that which means the cycle of firing 8 win coaches will continue. And I'm sick of that. I want a Pitt coach that the fans are behind because he actually moved the program up a notch. I definitely worry so far that he may not be the guy to do that, but that's a far cry from your pessimistic outlook.

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    8. I'm not declaring Chryst a failure...
      I am saying he is clueless from a recruiting perspective.
      If he keeps it up... he will only be an 8-4 coach... seems many are very happy with 8-4.

      Pitt is not going to be a 10 win team ONLY recruiting wpial... and they are not going to be a 10 win team unless they land top recruits (4star types)... and if they can't land top recruits from their backyard... chances of them landing top recruits out of OH or any other place are slim to none.

      In my opinion... success in college football is 66% recruiting... and 33% coaching.

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    9. @ Joe D: Paul Chryst has been a professional in the world of college athletics for over 13 years. I'm sorry, but you are either extraordinarily arrogant or extremely imbecilic to say he is "clueless from a recruiting perspective". He may not be a slick talker. He may not be a super salesman. He may not be a great head coach for all we know, time will tell. But to say he is "clueless about recruiting" is idiotic.

      Your arrogance is astonishing. BTW, your math skills are as good as your reading skills. I guess the other 1% of success in college football is running track in high school.

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    10. The only problem i have with this statement is you do NOT know that he doesnt get recruiting. Pitt just got one of the top TE prospects in the country in march who had some great offers. And you cant say that orndoff was a given either, not when he has offers from michigan, michigan state, etc etc. tou dont know what other prospects he will get. Foster has a ton of interest in pitt, pitts the odds on favorite for dorian johnson, etc. just dont say its a fact that chryst doesnt get recruiting when none of us know.

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    11. You can win ten games recruiting only the Western PA and Ohio regions.

      It's a matter of developing players.

      Stop crapping on the WPIAL, it's still terrific league that produces tons and tons of talent.

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    12. I've been a big critic of Chryst's recruiting policies and procedures, but it's far too soon to call him a failure. I'm not optimistic his ways will work, but I hope they will (dialing back the high-pressure sales will be a breath of fresh air in CFB that would catch on).

      Unless he goes 13-0 both this year and next year (thus can have whatever recruits he wants), I personally think he'll have to adapt somewhat (or else fail), but let's see.

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  19. For those worrying about the slow start to recruiting, I just read on the Trib that Pitt didn't get their first recruit last year until June.

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  20. Please don't turn this blog into a blog like the "other guy's" blog, where posters continue to flame one another and the main blogger himself bans people for speaking their mind. (we all know whos blog I'm referring to.)

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  21. Chris, is pitt having a junior day? Someone above said he heard as much.

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  22. Here is a question to think about - who would you rather have Wanny who is a great recruiter but not so good at coaching on game days in or Chryst who is proven to be a great teacher and coach but not a proven recruiter yet? Time will tell. Relax people. Please give him a chance. The body of work. He has been here 3 months.

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    1. You need both.... for college football...

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    2. Joe D.,

      Tell that to BSU, WVU, Cincinnati, and Wisconsin. Those are several schools that we have been able to "out-recruit" over the past 5 years or so. Each of them have been much more successful on the field than the Panthers during the same time period.

      What each of these teams have been able to do is recruit players that fit their style of play. Chryst needs is ignore the rankings and bring in the right style of player, coach them up, and create schemes that will allow them to take advantage of mismatches.

      We will know how good his recruiting is in about 3 years.

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  23. PK,
    Correct me if I'm wrong... but what i read...
    Orndoff started as a QB...
    last year he played WR..
    most of the highlights I saw of Orndoff was as WR... did he ever play TE at SLS?? or does SLS not play with TE?

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    1. Here we go. Joe D finding some way to crap on Orndoff.

      I think Joe D is actually a WVU fan in disguise who has decided to set upon the Pitt faithful by attacking every decision any member of the Pitt staff as if it is as bad as the Todd Rice hire.

      Well... Nothing is that bad, Joe D. NOTHING IN THE WORLD! MWUWHAHAHAHA! *cough gag*... MUWAHHAAHAHAHA!

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    2. Joe, they rarely use tight ends but orndoff is more of the hybrid wr/te like gronk of the patriots, though not as big. Hes big enough to play te in college, though

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    3. hurriquake...
      Orndoff has all the physical characteristics to make a good TE... he will probably red shirt due to lack of play time at that position...
      He has something most don't have... and that is speed!!! which I like.

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    4. Chryst and Rudolph utilizes tight ends that are basically like an extra receiver. That's where Orndoff comes in. So I wouldn't say that it's guaranteed that he won't see the field as a true freshman.

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  24. Good Q, Buc. If forced to choose, I'd rather have a great recruiter that's a marginal game-day coach (even tho he'd be very frustrating at times).

    Because the other type (good coach / marginal recruiter) can only raise the level of his marginal recruits only so far. Silk purses and sows ears. While on the other hand, 4-5 star guys might be able to exceeed the level of their coach just on natural ability

    For example, shocking-major upsets such as "13-9" could never happen on a team short on natural talent, it's just too much of a gap to bridge.

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    1. Imma,

      I think I have to disagree with you. DW was a good recruiter but his overall game-day coaching was not good. While I give him credit for the 13-9, it proved to be the exception to the rule. Generally, Pitt under DW was ill-prepared for most opponents. Think about the Rugters game when they threw for 400+ yards, the defensive changes didn't come until midway in the 3rd quarter.

      The teams I listed above - BSU, WVU, Wisconsin, Cincinnati - have been much more successful than Pitt, but (according to the experts) do not recruit as well as the Panthers.

      RKR

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    2. The problem with that, however, is that you named just four teams meaning it's rare to be able to win big without elite talent.

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    3. Pitt should learn how to win small before they try to win big.

      I selected those teams because I think it is reasonable to lump Pitt in with that group. I doubt we'll be in the same class with the Ohio States and LSU's of the world for a log time (if ever).

      I also chose WVU and Cincinnati because they have been able to win the BE outright - talk about winning small.

      I think most Pitt fans would agree that our current roster has enough talent to win the BE - certainly in the same ballpark as the top teams in the BE. What has been lacking is good game-day coaching.

      Don't get me wrong, it is a lot easier to win with elite talent, be we Pitt fans can list many examples of teams with lesser talent beating the Panthers on the field.

      When is the last time we as Pitt fans felt like our coach was going to give our team an advantage over our opponent? Tell me the last time you thought "Coach so-and-so is going to have this team 100% ready and there is no way the opposing coach is going to out-prepare our guy."

      When is the last time you looked back on a Pitt game and thought, "Our coaches completely outclassed the other team."

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    4. I'd agree Chris that it's rare to win "consistently" without elite talent. Just looking over the last 10 years or so as a sample, there have been examples of short bursts of success that can be attributed to a number of factors (hot coach/scheme/schedule/etc) but it's the upper crust of college football that just simply reload year over year with elite talent. But, as much as we all celebrate Pitt's tradition as elite, Pitt is not an elite program and I don't think it is realistic to expect elite results.

      We don't have a university with a huge enrollment, we don't have a university with a rabid alumni base focused on athletic success nor (more importantly) athletic fund raising/ticket sales. We don't have a program that has enjoyed a great amount of success over the last (some would argue) 30 years. This is all not to say that Pitt can't win, can't be successful, or can't compete for conference or national championships. Just that we need to temper our expectations. We are not a Florida, Alabama, USC or Notre Dame with our pick of top athletes from across the country and top of mind brand recognition with potential recruits in every part of the country. We should, however, be able to as successful or more successful than the Stanfords, TCUs, Northwesterns, Boise States of the world because of the strengths that do exist here: tradition, football focused region that cranks out pretty damn good talent, future schedules that provide national exposure without the meat grinder effect of a B1G or SEC schedule, etc.

      The 8-9 win seasons, I think, should be the realistic norm. What got Wanny fired, however, was his inability to take advantage of the small window of opportunity of "elite success" that Pitt should have grasped. (2009 @WVU, v Cincy) (2010 @Uconn, v WVU)

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    5. Imma Man: Upsets like that happen constantly in college football.

      I can't think of a better example than USC during the Pete Carroll era. They had more talent than anyone during that era, yet seemingly always found a way to lose to a lesser team every year. (the loss to Stanford in 2007 was a far bigger upset than 13-9, for example)

      As for that question, you have to have both. I do know the team that overacheives ("lesser" recruits that are coached up) will be viewed more favorably.

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    6. Sorry for the double post, but I should add that even if some of the recruiting concerns are accurate, I don't think Pitt is going to fall to the Hackett era and recruit a bunch of players better suited for Division II ball.

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    7. OriginalEther, thanks for helping make my point.

      Of course upsets happen. But they almost always happen with teams laden with natural talent. IMO, a team full of 0-2 star recruits doesn't come within 3 TDs of that USC team.

      Don't forget that Stanford team that upset USC in 2007 had serious natural (albeit young) talent, it just hadn't jelled yet. The freshmen on that team just put up an 11-win season in the mighty Pac-12 (and 10 wins the year before), and were one loss from playing in the NCG vs. LSU.

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    8. But, check out the Rivals rankings for those recruiting classes that were underclassmen in 2007 and upperclassmen for 2010 and 2011.

      2007: #9 in Pac-10 (ahead of only Washington State)
      19 recruits, 1 four-star, 10 three-stars.

      2006: last in Pac-10
      18 recruits, 10 three stars.

      4-star recruit Andrew Luck (2008) did obviously help, but clearly, it was about coaching with these guys. And Stanford's academic restrictions certainly mandate a more methodical approach.

      The whole fawning over the process right now is just plain silly, anyways. Last year, Graham's first recruit didn't come until June. And even at that, lots of people complained that who he was getting stunk. But, by the time he left, Graham was on pace to have a recruiting class rated as high as Wannstedt's.
      Then suddenly, people got upset when some of the previously mentioned "bums" decommitted. Hilarious!

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  25. Here is another fact...
    some may recall I said Lafayette Pitts was slow, slow, slow..
    he ran track as a senior and soph (I was using his soph time and said Pitt should pass on L.Pitts)...
    Pitts best time was 11.85... meaning Orndoff can beat him!!

    http://pa.milesplit.com/athletes/853165-lafayette-pitts

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  26. Who and the hell cares about track times! It's completely different with pads on, taking angles, quickness, reaction, insticts.

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    1. Betcha Orndoff can beat L.Pitts in the 100m WITH pads on!!!

      Sure speed doesn't matter... only with those who don't have it... that is why there are combines, etc. measurables!!

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    2. I guess you would have also gone for Darrius Heyward-Bey a couple years ago when he blew everyone away with his combine 40 time. The reality is the guy has under 1500 yards and only 6 touchdowns in 3 years in the pros..speed is important, but it's not the only thing that matters. I wonder what Plaxico Burress track profile was in high school? What about Gronk?? Both of those guys were running 4.6+ 40 yard dashes and it seemed to work out okay for them...Again I'm not saying speed doesn't matter but there is def more to football than track and combine results

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    3. Shhhhh! Joe D is busy looking for his Renaldo Nehemiah jersey.

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  27. douglas huff, aka dhuffdaddyMarch 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    Jody and Gents, I like the first signing and I will like the last one of the class. If you listen to Coach Chryst speak, he indicated that as he spoke to several high school coaches about Dan Mason....

    Coach is making the rounds with the high school coaches first. Good strategy. Win the coaches first. Win the families. Win the players. You don't gain credibility by smooth talking your way ala Todd Graham. You become credible by doing what you say you are going to do, consistently. Coach Chryst is on his way in this regard and I applaud that.

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  28. Imma, do you think Pitt should've gotten rid Wanny then? I was a Wanny supporter. I thought he was great for Pitt. I also got really frustrated when we could not beat the teams we will suppose to beat. I look at coach Dixon and really appreciate what he does with the little he has. He is bringing in the right guys to fit his style and for the most part he has done a really good job. I believe that is what coach Chryst will do. The future is bright in basketball and also in football.

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    1. Reluctantly, Wanny had to go. I love the guy and REALLY wish he'd succeeded. But he was marginal in big games (to be kind), and particularly woeful as special teams coach, which was the Achilles for this team his entire regime.

      And someone had to be axed for that abortion of a loss to UConn in 2010, sheesh that game was awful.

      I actually gained some respect for Stevie-P for having the onions to fire Wanny, sick of mediocrity. My only criticism is how he handled it, especially for having nobody ready to announce they'd take the job before he started the process (you'll never convince me that Heywood was Plan A, not after only one year at Miami-O).

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    2. Imma,

      The UConn game was the end of my support for DW too. I tried to be patient, hoping it was slowly coming together for DW. And there it was, our chance to with the BE outright, go to a BCS game, and make that big step toward becoming a big player in football again. The recruiting classes would have been top 10, pre-season rankings, no Wednesday night football....

      But no... not going to happen for us Pitt fans. I should have known better. That was the worst I've felt after any Pitt game. It was then that I stopped supporting DW. I expected SP to give DW another year - just because Pitt is so CHEAP - but I liked the fact that they canned him.

      Too bad they could not follow up with a good hire for over a year...

      Being a Pitt fan - where having thick skin is requirement #1

      RKR

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  29. For those on here who were gnashing their teeth and pulling their hair about Chryst's lack of verbals at this point, it may serve to look back over both Graham's and Wannstedt's results in early verbals.

    Setting aside kids in Prep School who had already committed to PITT the year before we have these as the dates of 1st commitments:

    '13 - 3/19
    '12 - 6/18
    '11 - 5/19
    '10 - 2/17
    '09 - 6/4
    '08 - 4/2
    '07 - 2/18
    '06 - 3/5

    As you can see Chryst's 1st verbal came earlier than four of the last eight years (those with an established coach with a track record to point to BTW) and beat the average date which was April.

    It has been way too easy for Chryst's critics to point to his 'slow recruiting' when in reality he's getting the same results as previous coaches did with a much smaller head start.

    BTW Joe - interesting that you slam Orndoff by sarcastically stating that he is a "no star" recruit in one post, then when Doke states that Orndoff is an 'excellent prospect' you change course and call the recruit 'a good one'.

    If you are going to spout off negativity about Chryst and the PITT program at every turn at least have the courage of your convictions to own it yourself and not try to attach your ridiculous opinions to the blog owner. Please notice that Doke has strong opinions also but he doesn't sway in the wind like you do.

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    1. Rivals just rated Orndoff a 3star...
      when I made the comment, he was not rated..
      and I said, Pitt's 1st commit will come in June... that doesn't take away from me saying Chryst and crew are clueless when it comes to recruiting.

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    2. Screw Rivals and their ratings. They have no idea what they're talking about. It's Mike Farrell doing those ratings. Who the hell is he anyway? He's a moron.

      As for people gnashing their teeth over Pitt's lack of verbal commitments, I don't think most people are. It's the total lack of buzz at all that's a little disconcerting. At the same time of Wannstedt's tenure, there was a huge amount of buzz.

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    3. I'll take wins over buzz any day.

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    4. But lack of buzz in recruiting could mean lack of elite players and lack of elite players means it's harder to win big in the future. When the majority of the best players in your own state doesn't even mention you, that's a potential problem.

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    5. I didn't expect any commits until June.
      My concern is lack of offers out there... 47 to date.

      The only good thing I'm seeing... reading various papers or pitt panther site... are the visitors at spring practices... local HS coaches, some 2012 incoming frosh, some 2013 players (ie. Boyd, Johnson were at spring practice sunday).

      That is good... but only from a wpial perspective. Pitt will not be a 10 win team relying on wpial players.

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    6. Chryst is clearly concentrating on a smaller group than most. If he gets a lot of that group then he succeeded in what he's doing. If he concentrates on Foster, Boyd, Johnson, Orndoff, and Zaire, and he gets those guys, then he will be very successful.

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    7. Chris D....
      and the flipside... and if he doesn't get those guys... chances of other highly rated players are out the window because he focused on such a small group to begin with.
      Dangerous to focus on so few.... but I don't recommend the shotgun approach either.

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    8. If he lands the group he's going after then he will have an excellent class. But if he misses them then he's going to be playing catch up, and that's not going to go as well. Time will tell.

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  30. Granted, things have been quiet especially in light of the speed with which a certain new HC at a rural school to the east has jumped out of the box. But, the lack of buzz I think is natural in comparison, considering Wanny was a returning "local hero" with NFL swagger and Graham was the snake oil salesman with a bull horn. Chryst is down home Midwestern. Painting with a broad brush, that means typically quiet, hard working, deliberate.

    I will gladly trade Spring Time buzz for December buzz any day. Let's hope he can be as good of a coach as we think he can be to get deserved buzz at the end of his first season. I don't think there was a whole lot of buzz about Gary Patterson before he started winning.

    As a long suffering Pitt fan, if it's one thing I have, it's patience. I think we all can give the man at least one cycle of recruiting/spring ball/fall camp/first season before passing judgment.

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  31. When Pitt decided to go with Chryst over Cristobal they essentially killed any chance of "buzz" right there. Chryst is obviously going to be methodical in his approach and appears to be looking at a bigger picture rather than instant gratification. I, personally, wanted Cristobal for this reason but I've liked what I've seen from Chryst. I'm willing to be patient if he can build something from it.

    As Dokish has pointed out previously, Wisconsin has done a lot more with less or equal talent than PItt has over the last few years. If he can do the same at Pitt, we'll start getting those bigger names in recruiting. Remember, we have a much better recruiting area than Wisconsin. With all the turnover Pitt's had the last few years, it's really not a program that is buzz worthy.

    I know PSU has it's scandal but it wasn't going to hurt the program as much as people expected because of the devotion of that fan base. Hell, Paterno's been made a martyr now. People who grew up PSU fans weren't going to jump ship and they've created about 4 generations of PSU fans to carry the torch.

    Pitt, on the otherhand, has two generations of football fans that have never seen a winner. You can't expect any fan base devotion, loyalty and certaninly not buzz to lift the program. The only way is to find out a way to start winning and build this thing from the ground up. Generally, that is a slower and more methodical approach.

    The only other option is to go after a big name coach to stir up the fanbase. Not only would this be expensive but, generally, these types of coaches toe the line of what is permissable and what isn't. There are inherent risks in this approach that I'm glad Pitt has decided to stay clear of.

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  32. Chryst was chosen by the alumni boosters. As I've stated one of the top boosters even told me so in an email (back & forth emails I might add.) The booster also went on to say Cristobal turned down the job. If so, I am glad we've got a coach that wants to be at Pitt. No one in here knows what the inner workings of the football program much less the mind of coach Chryst and his line of thinking. It's his team now. I personally like the lack of "BUZZ" and once again as a Steeler fan am used to little if anything being leaked out of Heinz Field before a season starts. As a Pitt fan you should hope for a more organized approach to winning instead of fan buzz and high falutin' nonsense that's come out of this program since the wanny and Fraud days. Neither of them were very good game day coaches let alone winning big games that mattered. Chryst has more or less shown me he doesn't give a damn and will build the team the way he sees fit. Give him a chance.

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    1. I have no idea what you're talking about. The buzz I am talking about is regarding the recruits themselves, not the fans or the coaching staff.

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  33. PC and his staff have brought in
    Deaysean Rippy 4 stars
    Bam Bradley 3 stars
    Terrell Jackson 3 stars
    JP Hotlz 3 stars
    Ryan Lewis 3 stars
    Mike Capara 2 stars
    Gabe Roberts 2 stars
    Transfers
    highly regarded David Durham

    and now Orndoff 3 stars
    Granted in such a small sample size its almost impossible to determine success or not especially considering the inconsistencies of recruiting measures. But when we take into account the fact that Pitt was a 5-6 team, coaching turnover, WVU success, OSU hiring a rock star, PSU still strong, the conference turmoil,etc etc. The staff has recruited on the west coast, midwest, ohio, and the wpial with results. The headway that has been made is promising in my mind. It has been said before and its important to keep in mind, Penn State out recruited Wisconsin for years yet Wisconsin has gone to rose bowls.

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    1. You are giving Chryst toooo much credit for that list.
      - Rippy was due to Junko/Lasalla.
      - Bradley brother on Pitt football team... gimme.
      - Holtz... where else was he going to go...
      - Lewis... Tim Lewis is his uncle.

      But 2 star Capara and Roberts were all Chryst and crew.

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    2. Joe D,

      You're wrong a few accounts. Rippy's grandmother said that when she met CHRYST, she liked his honesty and approach she wanted Rippy to go there because he was different than Graham.

      Just because a brother goes to one school doesn't make him a gimme, if so, Kugler would have picked Purdue instead Michigan.

      I'm sure Holtz could have gone to quite a few other places.

      And just because Lewis had an uncle who went to Pitt doesn't mean he had to pick the school that's 2500 miles away. I had an uncle to went to the Army but I didn't choose that route.

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    3. Holtz had offers from msu and arkansas. What do you mean "where else could he go"?

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    4. Caprara should be at least a 3 star recruit. The only reason he isn't is because of his size. If he was fifty pounds more he'd be a 4 star. Hopefully the yoga instructor can get him to pack on about 20 more.

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    7. Joe D

      I have finally figured you out. You really do not believe the comments you make are factual. Instead, you challenge us to articulate our thoughts and beliefs in a manner which will contribute to the success of this blog. Congrats to you. For the longest time I just thought you were the most inane, self absorbed, ignorant person I had ever come across. Now, I have truly seen the genius in your work.

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  34. With regard to some of the comments that favor Chryst over Cristobol, I think folks need to be careful about giving one the benefit of the doubt, but not the other. What's to say that Cristobol wouldn't have been methodical in recruiting? And why is having a quiet program with little buzz necessarily better with a program that is talked about? I feel like folks are finding any reason to defend Chryst, even if some of the charges don't need defending.

    The other thing I don't get is that everyone is attributing Wisky's success to Chryst. No doubt, he was a big part and the architecht of an explosive offense. But the last I check, Bret Bielema is the head coach. Maybe it was the synergy between the two working together, maybe it was Chryst, and maybe it was Bielema, but lets stop claiming that PC was the driver of Wisconsin's success.

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  35. JM, I was implying that Cristobal was the hotter name in the search for a new coach. Chryst was under the radar while Cristobal did have some buzz. I was in support of Cristobal, but I've liked the way Chryst goes about his business. Based on everything I've read on Cristobal, he LOVES recruiting and was a pest to the big 3 in Florida. There is no reason to think he would be as quiet as Chryst on the recruiting front. I'm personally not concerned with recruiting in year one. We're on our third head coach over two recruiting periods - Pitt has a black eye and there is no way areound it.

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  36. @JM,

    I just saw Urban Meyer in an interview state that the key to his success is filling his coaching staff with coaches smarter than himself.

    Pittbull

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  37. Joe D. - those recruits listed had the opportunity to choose any school they wanted to go to. They still hadn't verballed to PITT when Chryst was hired so there was some decision making for them to do. Chryst obviously helped that out because they chose PITT at the end.

    It is real easy for you to assume things about these recruits but in reality you have no idea whatsoever about how close or how far away they were from PITT at Graham's departure.

    As a matter of fact according to your reasoning those recruits were essentially recruited by Todd Graham - by that token his abrupt departure would have had a negative impact on them. Instead they chose to play football under Paul Chryst.

    Holtz was seriously considering PSU when he verballed to PITT. As great as Bob Junko is we have numerous recruits who he stays in contact with choose other schools every year. Having a brother on the team or an uncle from PITT? Wow, just saw two years ago that family relations and legacies don't mean a whole lot at PITT. Recruits with PITT ties choose other schools all the time.

    The point of the post was pretty damn plain and factual. Those are recruits who signed on to play for Paul Chryst after he was hired. You can parse this any way you want but you can't change the facts. You seem to be really reaching to somehow prove that Chryst is a poor recruiter when in truth he's done just fine so far.

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    1. The 2012 class was saved by Voytik leadership and a few other players.... that has been well documented.

      Had PSU named O'Brien quickly... I would be Holtz would have gone to PSU... a TE, would love Chyrst or O'brien. We should thank PSU for taking sooooo long to name a coach in landig Holtz.

      They chose to play for PITT... they committed to PITT... regardless who the new coach would be... did you not read those articles and quotes??
      Geesh... you're really reaching here.

      The ones listed by chi-town... committed to chryst... but in my opinion, Chryst was not the reason they chose Pitt... there were other people pushing them to Pitt... my opinion.

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    2. Joe D...

      "The ones listed by chi-town... committed to chryst... but in my opinion, Chryst was not the reason they chose Pitt... there were other people pushing them to Pitt... my opinion."

      What does this mean??? How can you say these people committed to Pitt but not Chryst? Chryst was the head coach at the time they committed! Did they not know Chyst was the coach? Once Chryst was hired, Pitt FB and Chryst are one and the same. Chyrst IS Pitt FB, he's the face of the program, he is directing the ship.

      "Geesh... you're really reaching here."

      Chi-town avoided those players recruited by TG that stayed with PITT through the coaching change. I think that is fair. Chryst deserves no credit for those players.

      You REFUSE to give Chryst credit for anything. Why the hate? He doesn't do thing the way you want him to. Since your way is the only right way, he's sure to fail.

      Unreal...

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    3. They chose to play at Pitt regardless of the coach are those who committed under TG... that is what I meant to say...
      and I listed those who committed to Chryst and who I thought made the difference in landing them... opinion of course.

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    4. First thing thank you for the acknowledgment of fairness rkohberger and RKR. I understand your perspective Joe D and your opinion very possibly could be right. However,what else do we go on? Thats the track record right now. Take out the entire 2012 class Chryst and his staff brought in Scott Orndoff and David Durham who seem to be pretty good players (time will tell). Your afraid he's a bad recruiter, hell so am I but the small body work considering the crap the program has gone through is solid. Could it be better? Yes but lets be fair.

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  38. The past couple of years of turnover in coaching is still better than the constant turnover of basketball players at Duquesne. What a friggin' joke

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  39. Holy Crap Joe - you have a very selective memory.

    I suppose the entire 2011 class that Dave Wannstedt had lined up really hated PITT, didn't they? Almost every single one of those recruits decommited because Wannstedt was fired and said as much on their way out the door. They committed for a coach and changed that commitment when that coach was gone and Ray Graham was hired.

    But that same wide spread defection did not happen after Todd Graham left, did it? Wow, how has college recruiting changed so drastically in two years?

    Of course the fact that Paul Chryst is the head coach at PITT played a factor in their decision making. To state differently is ludicrous. A recruit's choosing a college to attend is a mixture of numerous factors. The school, the football program and the coach are just some of them.

    You posit that these recruits loved PITT so much they were willing to play for anyone who was the head coach. Tell me this, what was that true love of the PITT football program built on? Our great reputation as a top college football school - no, because we aren't. Are constant winning conference titles and getting into BCS bowls - no, because we don't.

    Do you think that each of those recruits wanted to attend PITT so badly that they committed regardless of who was running the football team? One or two maybe, but if you believe all eight listed above did that then you should sell your car and bet the money on the lottery right now.

    You seem to think that kids all over the country dream of playing at PITT like it is some mecca of football up there with ND, PSU, OSU, UM, Texas, Alabama, etc... We all know that isn't true.

    You just open your mouth and anything rolls out of it as long as it is negative to Chryst and staff. Complete foolishness Joe.

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    1. The TG class was kept together due to Voytik and a few players...
      it is well documented... it is NOT because Chryst was named as coach... they were sticking it out and hoping for the best. Its no my position or opinion... this is fact!!! I'm not going to cut and paste all the articles on it!! Even quotes from Voytik father.
      The Wanny class didn't have a LEADER like Voytik to keep the class together...

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    2. Yes, voytik helped, but Its stupid to think that all of those kids blindly followed voytik. They were obviously pleased at the hiring.

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    3. You guys don't get it. Joe D is the smartest man alive and knows everything. Get with the program people.

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  40. dhuffdaddy "I think the weather has been great for spring ball"

    Jody (JoeD) "Look it is Chryst's fault that it gets dark and if he was all that, it wouldn't get dark"

    dhuffdaddy "JD, Paul Chryst just landed a six star recruit, what say you?"

    Jody " We'll see about that. Other services only had him as a five star and some have him as a zero star and forget that it is only March and the full rankings aren't done yet. The kid is terrible and a slacker and will never amount to anything".

    dhuffdaddy " Joedy, it's time for your medicine. The short green bus will be here in 15 minutes". Story replayed nightly until National Championship is secured and the trap is permanently closed.

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    1. Joe D: Eh. The NCAA was weak the year Pitt won the BCS Title. Any other year they wouldn't have won it.

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  41. Any word on why Tom Bradley was at Pitt practice today? Is he taking a role in the program or just visiting?

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  42. Pitt Spring game on 4/14 being played at North Hills HS??
    LMAO...
    Isn't that always played at Heinz?
    Is it because not enough interest to get large crowd at Heinz?
    Why North Hills and what is their seating capacity.
    Thought North Allegheny was the best and largest HS venue in wpial.

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    1. The Spring game is often played at local highschools to help build interest in the program.

      It was a tactic that worked very well in the past. If you knew anything about Pitt football you'd know the Stache did it a few times.

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    2. Can you list how many times and at what venues...
      Only the past 15 years since no Pitt stadium...
      Never prior to that..
      Often??

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    3. Excuse me for not recording every single thing the Pitt program has ever done in its entire history.

      It's common knowledge that they've done this fairly often recently.

      The LIST SOURCES argument is idiotic in normal discourse and is the refuge of people who know nothing about the subject and just want to blow smoke.

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    4. If it's common knowledge.... you should know..

      Obviously... NOT OFTEN as you state!!

      2 times over 15 years is NOT often.

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  43. It's a sad day for Pitt football when the spring game is being played in a HS stadium!!

    I'm all for coaches having youth clinics at various HS...
    I'm all for even having a practice at a HS stadium...
    But a spring game... doubtful many Pitt students will go to the game...

    smh... Pitt has stooped to playing at a HS stadium... I give up.

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  44. I would say North Hills seats about 8-10K. Though there is absolutely ZERO parking. They played the game at Gateway a few years back. They also practiced at Central Valley (when it was Center) one year.

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    1. Practice at HS stadiums is cool...
      Never knew about Gateway or any other HS in the past... it's what... 15 years since they knocked down Pitt stadium..

      But, I think they need to drum up support from the students... and going to North Hills isn't going to do that.. in my opinion.

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  45. Pitt will play in front of an empty Heinz field plenty of times this year so I think playing in a local HS stadium is a good idea. No Pitt students go to the spring game anyway except the die hards and they will drive to the game regardless of where its at.

    It cant hurt anything, I'm not sure why Joe D is so against it. Again PITT is not in the SEC, a lot of people dont care about the spring game.

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    1. Recruiting Pitt Grad 03..
      in my book... it's all about recruiting... and that is what it will hurt... in my opinion... unless all you want to focus on is wpial... then Pitt football program doesn't have a chance in the future.

      You are going to tell some kid outside wpial... even from wpial... come to our spring game...

      We are playing it at a HS stadium... wow... really impressive... that will get those 4star recruits to committ right then and there... (sarcasim if you didn't get it)...

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      NO Pitt students attend the spring game ever. Attendance was 1400 last year at Heinz. Why not take it to the community to try and gain some interest?

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    3. How and the hell is it going help recruiting to play at Heinz field in front of 1k people.

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    4. anoymous...
      The community is.... Pitt students and Pitt alum!!
      Pitt Grad 03...
      Look at it another way... 1000 people at a HS stadium is a bigger embarrassment..
      Me.. if I were in charge..
      I'd have it at Heinz... at 7pm... and drum up the students... tailgate, after game parties, etc.. free tickets for HS and college students.. etc

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    5. You mean the outstanding Pitt Students and alumni that fill Heinz on Saturdays? Not everyone in Western PA is a Pitt fan. Why not try to gain some new fans by taking the product to them?

      "Me.. if I were in charge..
      I'd have it at Heinz... at 7pm... and drum up the students... tailgate, after game parties, etc.. free tickets for HS and college students.. etc" - Joe D.

      I agree with you here, but the fact is that just because you and I and the rest of us on the blog would show up does not mean the that the students and alumni that don't show up on Saturdays will. The majority of Pitt students and alumni DON'T CARE!

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    6. I didn't say they would fill it...
      but Pitt alum are not going to a Saturday afternoon game at 1pm...
      Make it 7.. kids sports, etc on saturday afternoon... plus 4/14 is end of spring break for us...

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  46. Hasn't Pitt played scrimmages or held practices at highschool venues? I know they have never held a Spring game at a highschool, but keep in mind that they draw so few fans to the spring game.

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  47. I believe Pitt held there Spring game at North Hills in the past, or maybe it was just a scrimmage during the spring. But it was when Tyler Palko and Luke Getsy were both at Pitt.

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  48. History of Spring Blue Gold game since 2000.

    2001 - UPMC practice facility
    2003 - North Hills
    2005 - Gateway

    The rest were at Heinz field

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  49. Joe D, you are giving up on Pitt? Do you promise?

    Talk about addition by subtraction.

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  50. I think it's obvious that the Pitt students don't care about Pitt sports unless they win and it becomes an "in" thing. Sad, but true.

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    1. Watching teams lose isn't all that fun. I was at Pitt from 2000-2004, and there were some great crowds for big games -- most of which Pitt went on to lose.

      You can only take so much abuse...

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  51. By the way, the tendinitis in my arm is improving so I will be putting up more posts next week.

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  52. Pitt could lay AstroTurf on 5th Avenue and the students wouldn't show up. Not that it matters. I mean seriously...we're talking about practice. Not a game. Not a game...but practice.

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    1. They would be better off putting up goal posts at the new soccer field and having the game there... I think it seats 3000 or so.

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  53. But it's a practice that a lot of students (and non-students) at other places show up for. Pitt fans are upset at the program for underachieving and screwing up for years, but the truth is, even by underachieving and screwing up, the program is still pretty decent. They deserve more support.

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    1. Chris,

      I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how can you say they "deserve" more support?

      I think the support should be earned. Frankly, Pitt FB has done more to DRIVE AWAY support over the last 30 years than any team in the area -- and that INCLUDES the Pirates!

      Every time they have been on the verge of creating fan interest in the last 10 years, they have blown it.

      I know I keep harping on the UConn game, but as a life-long Pitt fan it was THAT one game that irks me more than all the others.

      The Cincinnati come-from-ahead-loss, the Bowling Green debacle, getting CRUSHED by WVU at home (twice), the embarrassing record on national TV broadcasts, someone please stop me… !!!!

      I believe there are marginal fans out there that are ready to jump on the Pitt bandwagon, but the team must get that bandwagon rolling. So far they haven't been able to do that…

      RKR

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    2. I agree that the leadership of Pitt has been awful for the most part over the last 30 years but looking at the big picture, the program still usually wins around 8 games a year so it's not like they are a bunch of losers. A lot of schools have much better support for 8 win programs.

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    3. True, Chris, the team wins 8 games a year.

      But you can't just look at the number of wins. It is the context of those wins, or more importantly the context of the LOSES, that is problem. The Panthers beat YSU but loose on national TV to Miami, in front of a bunch of FB alum. Can you say these games carry the same level of importance?

      You also have to factor in the professional-sports bias of the Pittsburgh area. Even during its most successful period, Pitt FB did not draw in the same manner as the NFL. Those other teams you reference that have more support than Pitt do not compete with Super Bowl and Stanley Cup winning teams, Major League Baseball, and a much more successful national CFB program (PSU).

      Add in declining population in the region, the relatively small enrolment at Pitt and student apathy during and after attending Pitt and it’s easy to see why Pitt struggles.

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    4. Those are the reasons why Pitt doesn't get 100k, but those same reasons aren't good enough to not get 50k and have people show up at the spring game. The population thing is overblown. While a lot of people have fled the city, a lot of them have merely gone to the local suburbs. Pittsburgh is No. 22 in the country in it's metro area. That's still huge. Pitt actually has a lot of fans. They just don't show up to support them. Maybe it's as simple as people in the suburbs not liking to drive into the city but the bottom line is, there are fans, they just don't show up to watch.

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    5. Yep, there are fans out there. The question is, "Why are they not supporting Pitt FB?"

      I think it is because they blow it every time they have a chance to "turn the corner" in the eyes of these marginal fans. Believe me; I have several in my family. They are interested in Pitt, but recognize the pattern:

      Beat cream puffs, then some weak BE teams, play a good team on TV and get embarrassed, beat middle-of-the-road BE team, be in the hunt for the BE title, lose de-facto BE championship game…rinse…repeat.

      Seriously, could we not sum up several Pitt FB seasons like this? Sound like 2010? How about 2009? 2008 too?

      They blow it every time, Chris. It is only the real die-hards that are left. And my family always says, “Told you so.” They think I’m nuts because I always believe THIS year will be different. I still think 2012 will be the year things are different (I’m stoopid like that).

      The team needs to prove that they are not “Same Old Pitt.” Then they will have earned (and thus deserve) their support.

      RKR

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    6. I know they blow it every time but you are either a fan or you're not. If fans stop watching because their team wins only 8 games instead of 11 then they aren't very good fans.

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    7. RKR

      Pitt does not have a lot of very good fans. That's why the support is so bad. But you can't just throw 8 wins a year and expect to grow your "good" fan base. Not when the Steelers are playing in the same stadium, at the same time, and going to the playoffs and Super Bowl every other year.

      Let me ask it this way (again not trying to be a jerk), how much support does this team “deserve?” If you are claiming that it is too low, tell me your criteria. What do you mean by too low? Is PSU’s too high? Do they (PSU) get more than they have earned? What is the scale that you use to determine “too little”, “too much or “just right”?
      I think the market sets the scale; right now the market on Pitt FB is very low. Until Pitt FB does something to increase their own value to fans (both causal and die-hards) the amount of support they get will be low.

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    8. By the way, Chris...

      Welcome back! I hope you tendonitis heals completely...although answering my posts every 10 minutes might not help.

      RKR

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    9. I am one of the fair weather fans. I have no real allegiance to PITT. I did not go to school there, but I live up the block from the school. I had season tickets twice. Once in 2003, when they pulled out the last minute victory against WVU (as I was walking across the bridge going home). The other was the beginning of the Wanny era.

      My wife who is a PITT fan, likes watching the games but not at the stadium. Too many drunks and too many people reminiscing about "If this were at PITT Stadium, he be walking out of here bloody" Yes this was in the lower bowl, not the upper.

      I do not find this as much at Pirate or Penguin games. I am and have been a season ticket holder to the Penguins since 1999. I have the same issue with NFL (ie the drunkenness) It is not an environment I want to bring the kids.

      My nephews come up, we will all go to the PITT Games. They are huge fans of PITT, main draw is from Hoops, but it transfers over to FB as well.

      I can still get game day tickets to Pirates, Pitt FB and any theater event. This is one reason I love Pittsburgh. I needed to get tickets 6-8 months in advanced for these events in NY.

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  54. I have to agree with Joed on this one. Lotsa hoopla and fanfare, we need help. Have band march just like gameday.
    Pitt has worst PR people imo ever. No new ideas, just the same old same old. I like the free tix to all students no matter where they are from.
    Maybe bring can of soup for less fortunate to enter. Any damn thing.

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  55. The Pitt Football turnout is a microcosm of the inner city flight syndrome (i.e., no one wants to be in the city unless they abosolutely have to be. Get in , get out, get home.) And please don't site Steeler & Pirate attendance. The Steelers are a titan in football and the Buccos play a 162 game schedule.
    Alot of the Pitt student base commute from their lilly white suburbia to obtain an education..........period!!! There is NO, per se, community pride. They don't live there, weren't brought up there, and never will reside there after college life. We're not talking about a campus like the University of Florida, where the head coach and players parade through campus and toward the "swamp" on game day.
    Chris, when you say the students "don't care about Pitt sports", you are correct, but I believe to "care" you've got to be connected to the place you care about. Pitt is a scattered inner city institution, a good school to be sure, but it doens't have that warm, collegial we are family, one for all and all for one feel to it. It's a more or less every man for himself type of institution. You don't have Billy Bob and Bobby Sue who grew up loving this school. It's more like Yung Soo and Haji Patele who occupy the campus on weekends. BTW: they aren't football fans.

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    1. Or there is just a lot of competition for the $$$$ like any other city school. The rest of your analysis is just silly. People like coming into the city, actually, it's not a commuter school, there is plenty of community pride, and people are connected to the overalll city of Pittsburgh. The team has been disappointing. Last year's team was perhaps the least entertaining team I have ever witnessed since Walk took over. If they win 10 games, everything will change, they'll probably be a top 30 team in attendance. Until that happens, people are not going to pack the stadium, but low 50Ks is nothing to ashamed of.

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  56. Pitt is not a commuter school anymore

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  57. So the same people who think that the gameday at Heinz Field stinks believe that Pitt should try to recreate that gameday feel for a spring practice?

    Uh huh. That makes sense.
    The fans can't be bothered to get to their seats on time to watch the band march out on the field, so they sure as hell aren't going to come out for a scrimmage 4 months prior to football season.

    There's only one spring game in recent memory that I can recall having any sort of buzz: Wanny's first in 2005, which was held...at a high school!
    If I remember correctly, 10000 people tried to go to it, but there was so much traffic the Parkway got jammed. That's the publicity I want to hear. Not some ho-dum event in a studium that is 10% full at most.

    BTW, 7pm is a TERRIBLE idea for a spring scrimmage in Pittsburgh. The current weather notwithstanding, the weather usually sucks for the 1pm scrimmages, let alone one when the sun is about to set.

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  58. I just when to PantheLair, and someone posted that the reason for the switch is that Heinz Field is under construction for expansion.

    If true, that settles the issue......

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  59. Chryst is taking a page out of Wanny in 2005..
    See Wanny 2005 press release... almost identical to Chryst.. lol

    http://www.trschools.com/sports/docs/Physicals/Physical%20Forms/High%20School%20Coach%20Packet%202011-2012.pdf

    Due to the 8000 fans and overflow... he said he needs to have it at Heinz to accomodate... however, remember, Wanny was the local Pitt guy to revive Pitt to greatness of the 70's/80's...

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    1. http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/040705aaa.html

      Here is the link..

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  60. I do not mind Coach Chryst following the practice of former Coach Wannstedt as far as high school coaches and their respective communities. Nothing to laugh about there. Wannstedt did a great job with local coaches and community. His struggle was with in-game coaching. I sent a few notes to Smiley upon Wannstedt's hire, to recommend hiring a game day coach to assist Coach Wannstedt, but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well.

    Emulating Coach Wannstedt with recruiting efforts shows Coach Chryst is comfortable in his own skin and also believes that is the right way of conducting business. If he can be as nearly as successful with bringing in the talent Coach Wannstedt did, Pitt will be great in a few short years. That is of course, if Coach Chryst can coach up and game day coach a little bit better than Coach Wannstedt. Only the passage of time will answer that question.

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    1. My only concern with that... is if Chryst tries to build a Wpial All-Star team... we know that didn't work for Wanny.. the WVU game "Run faster"... remember that. Wpial is slow, slow, slow (generally speaking).

      As for getting the best players out of wpial... absolutely. But I would not want to see 15 of 20 players coming from wpial... The BCS level talent is just not there out of wpial. I'm realistic knowing Pitt won't land every top recruit (BCS quality) out of wpial... and I think that is an unrealistic expectation for Chryst.

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    2. Please JOE D being realistic. Since when did you turn into a comedian too.

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    3. im not saying that pitt can be elite with only wpial players, but to say thats why wanny failed is dumb. its been said a million times but ill say it again. wanny couldnt coach on gameday. thats why he couldnt win consistantly. the only other reason was, though he could recruit every position on the field, he couldnt get a top tier quarterback. terrible gameday coaching and mediocre quarterbacks was why wanny didnt suceed at pitt and we all know that without top qb play, you wont be a top team.

      to todd grahams credit, he got one in chad voytik, but its a process where you have to stockpile them, just like linemen. if chryst can manage to get either travon chapman or malik zaire then thatd be promising for pitts future

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    4. Wannstedt definitely did recruit the WPIAL too much. He would throw offers at any decent prospect way too early and then was stuck with inferior talent. One season he needed linebackers so he got commitments from Nate Nix, Greg Webster, and Dan Loheyde very early for no reason. None of the three were excellent and there was no reason to get commitments from them so early. He should have used them as a backup plan and went for better prospects elsewhere.

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    5. A few years back, I use to call Pitt the Wpial All-Star team... it was sad... that was around the time WVU clobbered Pitt and Wanny infamous halftime statement... "We need to run faster"

      Sure there are some good BCS quality recruits in wpial... but not enough to go around... Pitt will always lose some to PSU, OSU, etc..

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  61. chris, has pitt offered any more wide recievers? thats a huge position of need and id say they need 3 or maybe 4 talented ones in this class.

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  62. Chris,

    I had the opportunity to speak with Coach Wanndstedt at the airport on my way to Tampa. I had told him there was some awesome talent in Tampa that a lot of colleges had neglected to look at and that many of those potential recruits were considering USF as a last resort. Mind you coach Leavitt was working out of a trailer and I think the team was practicing on a soccer field. I mentioned the greasy lightning speed of some of these potential recruits and all Wanny could do was brag about the guys he was going after in western PA. I can't recall the year but not shortly after that chance meeting USF shot up to #2 in the nation although they couldn't hold on to that ranking there was some real talent in that group of USF players. There was just no interest to recruit in western Florida.

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  63. @crimhead,

    Silly? No. Silly is believing that the Pitt campus can build a loyalty comparable to a Auburn, Alabama or other shools of that stature. I think you understood my post but are living in la la land. When I say community pride I mean that most of the people attending Pitt didn't grow up in Oakland and that surrounding vicinity. Fans going to those games look at them as a novelty and a big trip to that there big ol city. It is not a homegrown atmoshpere. Enter any Denny's or IHOP in Florida at 6 or 7 A.M. saturday morning and half of the restaurant is full of Gator fans heading up to Gainesville. I'd venture to say the Eat & Park in Monroeville is filled with those seeking the senior citizen special at that time and not a creature or mouse is awake in Oakland. Silly.......... I know.

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    1. I think you've not only contradicted yourself, but you've proven your ignorance about the typical fan that attends Pitt games and has seasons tickets. I think your ignorance extends beyond that, but I'll leave it at that.

      No one with season tickets and the vast majority of those going to games in general thinks those games are a novelty or big trip to the city. This isn't 1955, man. Anyone who attended Pitt and spent four years in the "big city" in your words, already doesn't find it to be a novelty, so you can eliminate current students and the alumni base.

      And while were at it, let's look at the reason Florida games are well attended. It's because they have an annual enrollment of 60K - which is top 5 in the country with a D1 football team, btw, there is nothing else to do around gainesville, AND they have been good. They've had the best home record in college over the past 20 years for crying out loud. Actually, their attendance is about 9th in the country, which all things considered, probably should be a bit higher. But sure, you want to call it some magical intangible factor, go ahead.

      If Pitt wins, they'll 60K pretty easily. That would put them in the top 25-30 nationally. Not sure that really matters, but that would create plenty enough of a game day atmosphere, which is still pretty overrated in terms of getting kids to go to the school. 7 days of fun every year is not enough to get someone to go to a school. There has to be more and Pitt has plenty to offer.

      If you think people go to the Penguins games because they've grown up with the team, you are insane. It's because they win. If you think the Steelers following is crazy because it's a homegrown thing, you are crazy. It's because they won and kept winning. When the Pirates were winning last year, even though anyone with half a brain knew they couldn't sustain it, they had the 2nd highest attendance in PNC Park history. In any major city, if you want to draw, you better win or create some product that is worth going to. There are too many other things to complete with the entertainment $$$$.

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  64. Crimhead - not sure where you get the confidence that PITT could draw 60,000 fans 'if they win'.

    PITT won big in the mid '70s to the early '80s, with superstars galore and never even sold out PITT stadium on a regular basis.

    I agree with the thrust of your post above but have to differ on this one point.

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  65. @criimhead,

    Yes I am ignorant and you sir are a brilliant man! :)

    You are going to sit there and compare tightly packed upper crust attended Penguin games to Pitt Football? Ok. The Pen's are a novelty, a novelty a few can afford, a novelty sport where many of the fans (even those attending regularly,) still don't understand the rules and the nature of the game, but hey isn't it great to hear blaring sirens and munch on your $6.00 hot dog while you pretend to be a tough guy when two goons slug it out on the ice???? (rant...........)
    Anyway, back to the subject at hand................... you say Pitt will sell ^) thousand seat easily if they win????? I think not. I am most likely one of the few who was lucky enough to have gone to PITT football games during the glory years of Johnnie Majors and Jackie Sherill. When my dad would take me to a home game I would sit there as a kid and wonder why there were so many empty seats when Tony Dor-sett (it was Dorsit to us fans before he became a Cowboy) ran all over the competition. Hugh Green, Ricky Jackson and Danny Marino didn't exactly fill the stadium to capacity on saturdays either (Penn State games were awesome though * it was always nice for PITT fans to have their hearts crushed by missed Carson Long FG's and stuffed runs from snow covered goal lines as well.) Even high profile games like that failed to carry over and translate into a high draw at the gate.
    As for those big city PITT dwellers???? I'd venture to say most know the path to and from their dorms or rented hovels, where the O and local McDonald's is located and of course a low budget ride to the south side for drinking games. I'll put a PITT fan on par with the local USF fans here in Tampa and go on to say that a school like UCF in Orlando has a greater fan base and draw than Pitt. And really............ I think you'd have to be exposed to the southern culture and SEC football to be able to understand what I'm talking about. There is just NO comparison, guys like Steve Pedersen and Dave Wanndstedt would never be tolerated in an SEC school (even Vanderbilt seems to have caught on and wouldn't accept the losers Pitt has put in charge of its football program.)
    As a Pitt fan you've got to hope that someday the stars will align and a magical team emerges to make that one good run about once every 100 years. Most Pitt alumni and students are a johnny-come-lately bunch who just can't seem to pull themselves out of bed after drinking a 6 pack of IC light on friday night.

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