Monday, May 7, 2012

Commitment, resignation, and possible transfer

Just some updates from this morning since it has been busy.

1.  The Panthers got a commitment from 6'1" 230 pound Gateway star Jaymar Parrish.  He's not the big name that Panthers fans are dying to see but he's a good prospect.  Pitt was his only major offer but that's mostly because Parrish is a bit of a tweener.  Not many programs are looking for fullbacks anymore and he's too short to be a tight end.  But make no mistake about it, he's a solid prospect.

2.  Big East commissioner John Marinatto has stepped down.  This is clearly one of these things where he jumped because he was getting pushed, but at least he's gone.  No matter what, the Big East won't be Pitt's problem soon enough.

3.  Last but not least, Rutgers and Arizona transfer Tom Savage has hinted that he may be transferring to Pitt.  A one time elite recruit out of Cardinal O'Hara HS in suburban Philly, the 6'5" 240 pounder had a big freshman season before his losing his job as a sophomore.  He then transferred to Arizona and sat out last year.  However, before being eligible to play a game Savage left Arizona after the season. Citing family matters, he tried to be eligible immediately and transfer back to Rutgers, but the NCAA denied him.  For that reason, it looks like Savage will have just one year of eligibility remaining and that won't be until 2013.  In that case, it just may be better to start Chad Voytik in his second season rather than Savage in his first- and last- season, but since there's no guarantee that Voytik will be good enough, i guess Savage would be an excellent fallback option.

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  1. Savage should get a waiver to play immediately. He transferred to Arizona to play in a system that allowed Nick Foles to get drafted by an NFL club. It's not his fault Stoops was fired and he doesn't fit into the new offense.

    The NCAA has a chance to get this right and give him immediate eligibilty. You're allowed four years to play in a five-year windown. Savage may have just three. Why should he be punished? For transferring in the first palce? That's not a crime.

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    1. Joseph Barr: If Stoops were fired soon after Savage arrived at Arizona that would be one thing but Savage was there a year before Stoops was let go. I would like to see Savage come to PITT as a walk-on; being from PA he could get a good in-state aid package; this is going to be a smaller class anyway. Quite frankley this smacks of desperation even though other schools do similar things. Brian Kelly would go to campus two-touch games to find a QB. Savage is a talent but has to grow up. Temple's Chris Coyer's father has stated that it is not a talent issue with Savage but a competitiveness issue. He should know because he covers this stuff. (Boy would I love to see PITT get a QB like COYER) Finally, this could affect the recruitment of a good freshman QB. I would love to see Tavon Chapman at PITT. It should not sway a confident prospect and it would be only a year within his career, but I hope Chryst knows what he is doing if this is true. I would like to know more, i.e., is Savage "maturing". PITT already has an NFL arm that doesn't seem to get the commitment one has to make at this level.

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  2. If Savage is eligible for 2012, then it behooves Chryst to get Savage.... it anything for a backup or even push Sunseri as a starter. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he went to Delaware.
    But keep in mind, Savage fell out of favor at Rutgers!!!

    If I were Chryst, I would not bring Savage in for 2013 unless as a backup to Voytik... and only if Meyers and Anderson transfered out.

    Kind of late for Big East to come to it's senses and finally boot Marinucci out.... the WVU thing must have been the last straw.

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    1. Actually, from what I'm hearing, it was the catholic schools that wanted him out for, of all things, catering to football.

      Hold your laughter....

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    2. Doesn't shock me in the least that the "basketball schools" wanted Marinatto out, that's why that conference is so butt backward in the first place. Until the BE stops naming every schmoe from Providence as the commissioner they are doomed to failure, which the hoops schools will never get because they're still living in the glory days of the mid-80's even though the majority of them stink at hoops.

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  3. Savage would be perfect, even if just for 2013. There is no certainty that Voytik will pan out. If he does he will have 3 years to start after Savage in 2013. And if he doesn't we would have no one for 2013. Savage would be an insurance policy.

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    1. Well, if Voytik would sit behind Savage then he could actually only start two years because he may not be redshirted this year. It will depend on how well he does and how well the other QBs on the roster do.

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  4. Now that Marinotto is gone, I won't be the least surprised if the non-FB schools leave the BE and reconstitute as a Catholic sports league by grabbing their A-10 bretheren Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Duquesne, St Joe's, LaSalle, Fordham and St Bonaventure.

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  5. Its hard to be excited for 3 one star prospects out of 5. Its been well discussed the recruitting sites dont know everything but its ONE out of FIVE.

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    1. There's no such thing as a one star prospect. They just haven't been rated yet if they have just one star. These are 3 star prospects.

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  6. A couple of points to the items 2 and 3. By now it is well known the Big John was shown the door because it was perceived by the Providence based dons that he forgot where his loyalties should be. I hope the football only and all sports universities can delay the appointment of the new commissioner and the television contract until 2013 when they have the voting majorities. Possibly they may even hit the jackpot and have the BB schools and ND break away. In any event as I have written elsewhere, Pitt fans everywhere owe Big John our eternal gratitude for his incompetence finally convincing the Pitt administration to finally abandon the Big Least.

    With regard to Tom Savage, if he is not eligible this year I see no reason to have him come to Pitt. At least this year he could push Tino and serve as a serviceable backup. In 2013 why would we want to go through a learning curve with a new quarterback for only one year. He also will be taking a scholarship spot for a long term backup or successor to Voytik in 2013.

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  7. chris:

    Reports of the Commish's firing/resignation mention that he was blindsided by Pitt and Cuse defections. I thought Pitt and others had given written notice at least several months prior that they were looking at options. And of course there were many years of problems never adequately addressed by BE leadership. How could he have been blindsided? He may not have been a good commish but it is not likely he is a stupid man contrary to what people who don't know him say. Did Pitt give due notice of their looking at other options or not?

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    1. they did give him notice.

      as for parrish's supposed lack of strength... 155 18 times as a sophomore (15/16) yes old is pretty darn good. btw, the scouting services haven't even done half of what they will by spring. relax.

      I think if Pitt can get savage for 2012, then do it. he's a big time prospect who showed a lot his freshman year and let's not forget that Greg schiano. was like a qb nazi- he's made a mess of his qb position by pulling players undeservedly and inserting guys who weren't ready.

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  8. Joe, Chryst recruited Parrish strictly as a fullback, not as a TE. At 6'0 235 he fits the mold perfectly for college.

    So far Chryst has recruited five kids, four on offense. Two big OL, a TE and a strong FB. His selection go right to the heart of what he has said he' going to build the team into.

    As Chis said above - these are three star kids at least and maybe even higher once their SR seasons are in the book.

    The fact that they are non-rated at this point means nothing.

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  9. BTW Joe - I'm wondering why you haven't been upfront and acknowledged that Paul Chryst really isn't dragging his feet in getting out and recruiting as you've been stating ever since the day he was hired.

    I mean really, we must have read that 100 times in your comments. So, just to remind you of how off base you were, I'll post again how he has stacked up against our past HC's recruiting as far as the dates of getting kids on board...

    Here are how many kids we had commit each year before June 1st:

    '13 – 5 PC - so far
    '12 – 1 TG
    '11 – 1 DW
    '10 – 2 DW
    '09 – 0 DW
    '08 – 2 DW
    '07 – 2 DW
    '06 – 3 DW
    '05 – 3 DW

    Holy Hell Joe! He's far outpacing both Graham and you favorite coach Dave Wannstedt! What do you think about that?

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    1. Rk...
      My favorite coach was Jackie Sherrill... the stuff he did to land recruits... lol
      I liked Wanny... wanted him to succeed... but I was calling for his outster years earlier.
      Yes,
      I did notice Chryst has about 100 offers out now.
      But he hasn't landed any big fish meaning 4star recruits. The spring training of chryst catering to wpial coaches concerns me...
      I'm sure Terry Smith told Parrish to commit as chryst won't pull an offer from a wpial player if he commits.

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    2. Orndoff is a 4 star and the others are 3 star. That's pretty much exactly where Pitt is every year. Most of their recruits will be 3 star, and they'll be a few 4 and 5 stars thrown in, too. Chryst is right on pace. He still has to come through with the elite prospects in this class but he I think he will.

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    3. Oh and as for the WPIAL coach thing please tell me you're kidding. Every decent coach in the world sucks up to the local coaches. It's called common sense.

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  10. I will take Chryst's opinion over anyone's anytime when it comes to evaluating talent. He is paid very well to do so and has helped win many games with what he helped recruit. Also, all reports indicate that several Big10 schools were taking notice of this FB...maybe Chryst saw the talent first, offered and got the commit and should be commended for that! Some complain that he offers too late and now complain he offers too early!!!

    Finally, 2 out of 5 kids are from the WPIAL...not exactly just a WPIAL all-star team.

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  11. As to Parrish 'not being D1 material' or not being ranked - take a look at Scout's FB prospects for 2013 in the link below. Parrish is on the list but the telling thing is that only three FBs are awarded any stars at all at this point nationally.

    http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=13&yr=2013

    Another thing - just what does this mean? "I'm sure terry smith of Gateway told Parrish to commit early as Pitt may pull the ship.... and Chryst will not pull the ship from a committed wpial player!!"

    How can you 'be sure' of that at all? PITT offered and then Parrish accepted to play at his hometown school. How do you twist that to infer Parrish wouldn't have gotten any other offers - you have no reasonable idea if that would happen or not, none of us do.

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    1. Something to add, Reed also mentioned (not here) that when Parrish went up against Noah Spence last season, Parrish blocked Spence well enough to be considered a draw.

      Maybe it will be different for him as a fullback instead of as a tight end, but I don't think a non-BCS talent (as a junior) would fare well at all going head to head against a national recruit.

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  12. Also Joe, since you love Rivals so much take a look at what they have listed for FBs at this point - five total all three star kids.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3071;_ylt=AimnqAxQgoV7IE49mIndL2BGPZB4

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  13. Glad Paul doesn't take your opinion!!!!!
    Joe Please find a new place for breakfast as you must drink tainted OJ EVERYDAY!!!! You disagree with anything positive.
    BTW your favorite was known to have offered scholarships only to never come back not so classy. And he did not run a clean program which I saw first hand.

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  14. I'm not going to be a cheerleader for every"BODY" that committs to Pitt...
    Of the committs so far... I like Orndoff, Samuelson, Soto.
    I'm not fond of Reese or Parrish as I don't think they are BCS level quality...

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    1. Well thank God you are behind a computer and on a blog 24/7 and not evaluating high school kids.

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  15. I'm OK with Chryst landing 3 stars and perhaps WPIAL all-star teams. He's certainly sprinkling that with players form out side the region. Its a start.

    What I do expect to see is that Chryst and staff will coach the kids up, adjust the scheme to fit the current players' abilities and make solid game-day decisions. Do that, and the team will win some games.

    The notion that he has to land the top players right off the bat strikes me as unrealistic and perhaps a bit naive. Shouldn't we adjust our expectations for now to the actual hand we are playing?

    Or am I the one who is naive?

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    1. As expected, more wailing and nashing of teeth over PC signing a kid that isn't rated 4-5 stars by putzes that watch highlight reels. I'm not at at all concerned with how many stars this kid has; PC knows what kind players he needs to run his offense, and last I checked, Gateway was considered to be a doormat or barren of legitimate D1 prospects.

      Let PC actually coach his first season before we all declare him to be a failure as a recruiter and head coach, OK?

      Mike W.

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  16. Any rational Pitt fan (are there many?) can see that Coach Chryst is doing a good job on the recruiting front, and since that was supposed to be his achilles heal, we should all take a deep breath and let him do his job. Yeah, we all want to see him land a few 5 star kids each year, but i'd be willing to bet that his on field success (getting more out of kids not as highly rated) will translate into long term recruiting success. Unlike the Stache (who I did love, longer than most probably) Chryst is known for his gameday skills. That's gonna help him recruit those 5 star kids for 2014, 15 and beyond.

    I also think playing in the ACC will help Pitt's recruiting, especially since our Conference schedule will be sooooo much better than in the Big Least. Kids want to play in front of packed houses, not a big bowl of empty yellow seats. Things are looking up for Pitt, and the program seems headed in the right direction. Let's let the coach do his job.

    The only thing that has me a little worried about Pitt is the possibility that we might have to spend another 2 years in the BE...that would suck. Hopefully the basketball cabal that runs the BE will not want us to beat there teams anymore....HTP!

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    1. I'm a Pitt fan and have season tickets but regardless of what conference we are in, the yellow seats will still be plenty! Our attendance sucks!

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    2. All indications recently have been that Pitt will be out of the BE in 2013, because there isn't any reason to keep them beynd that. Most of the schools coming into the BE will be doing so in 2013 and will take away the necessity of keeping Pitt there.

      The whole shame of this is that had the league presidents been somewhat realistic about the conference 1-2 years ago, Pitt, 'Cuse and the hoopies would still be in that conference. Now the conference is a mish mash of schools desparate to be part of a BCS conference, which won't even be relevant in 2014.

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  17. Imma Man! Im 40!May 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Let's give Steve Pederson for having more visionary leadership in his little finger than John Marinatto has in his whole plentiful carcass.

    Soon we'll be off to the ACC and that whole sorry preventable mess will be a distant memory. One feels a little sorry for UConn, Cincy, Rutgers, USF and Louisville that had no chairs open when the music stopped this time.

    However, I'm still grousing over him needlessly ditching the Pitt script unis for the chipmunk helmets back in the 1990s.

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    1. Pederson's so visionary that he can hire replacement coaches at a faster rate than any other athletic director in the country!

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  18. Based on the commitments to date, if recruiting is chrysts biggest hinderence as a coach then we can expect quite a few wins in his tenure.

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  19. Dokes,
    Any insight on who is attending Pitt's prospect camp in June?
    Also, saw pantherlair reporting 10 players spending day at Pitt today... the 5 committed and 5 uncommitted... which uncommitted?

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  20. Foster and Johnson are two of them. I can't believe Foster is attending because a certain poster who's name ryhmes with "Moe P" says Pitt has no shot at him!

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    1. I said, I doubt Foster will select Pitt... my "GUESS" is that he will select Michigan... but I hear PSU on short list which is surprising to me.

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    2. I just don't understand why you keep harping on Michigan. he hasn't mentioned UM, no have scouts or his coaches.

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    3. Like I said... guess... and no basis for it.

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    4. It's OSU or Pitt for Foster Joe and maybe PSU will make a late surge - your insistence that you think he will select Michigan kills any credibility that you may have because it has zero basis.

      I mean, why not Va. Tech or any other school within 5 states - why Michigan and you say it has no basis - then why say it?

      Here's why because if somehow some way he DOES choose Michigan, you'll crow like a crow but when he doesn't, you won't own up to it.

      Ok, I say Foster picks....uh....Oregon because....uh....he likes their uniforms :):)

      Lose the Michigan stuff Joe. Even you admit you don't know what you're talking about.

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    5. I say Michigan because Big 10 school..
      If not OSU or PSU.... it will be Michigan in my opinion.

      I'd like to see Foster come to Pitt... but I don't see it happening... maybe Engram can pull it off.
      but come fall.. Foster's concern will be... who is the QB for Pitt and is he any good... keep in mind Baldwin is chirping in his ear.
      then it will be the empty seats at Heinz versus his other choices.

      Foster has a major attitude the past 6 months... feels he doesn't have to put the work in that got him to where he is today... quit track.. etc. Just hope he turns it around.

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  21. Chris, what do you think about Brogan Roback as a qb prospect? rivals has him at 4 stars and the #11 pro style qb, but his offer list is weak. based on his offers I'd say Pitt has a great shot at him if they offer.

    also, where does Dorian Johnson stand in his recruitment at this point?

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    1. Both Rivals and Scout has him as a 4 star which just goes to show you that they often don't know what they're talking about. The kid did well at the NYC Elite 11 but that's just drills. I can tell you that people I talk to in Ohio don't think he's a Big 10 caliber player and his offer list backs that up. He throws a lot of short passes and really doesn't have a strong arm.

      As for Johnson, I've said Pitt all along and I still think that's what it will be. And if Pitt does lose him to Penn State then that will be a very bad sign for the Paul Chryst regime.

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    2. Thanks. Also, id Tom Savage is eligible for this season, do you think he will beat out tino for the starting spot? Hes got a ton of talent and starting experience, so i dont think its too unlikely.

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    3. I didn't hear. Is/has Savage decided on transferring to Pitt?

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    4. yes he'll be at Pitt this fall

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  22. Anon - speculation is what we do on these blogs and boards so Joe D. has the right to do it also...

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  23. Glad to see Pitt and Pederson grow a set of Cahones and sue the Big East!!!

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    1. Joe D - for all the heat SP takes, this is a shrewd move and the timing is perfect, with Marinotto's departure and the annual meetings coming up this week. Its time for everyone to move forward and this action should force that to move at a better pace than it was.

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    2. Where is the lawsuit filed??
      Pittsburgh courts...
      Is Syracuse going to join!

      Lets hope the judge is a Pitt alum!! just like when wvu filed... their judge was a wvu alum.

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  24. With Boise having second thoughts about joining the BE, what's the possibility of the other "new" teams wavering? Especially the BE West teams. Maybe Marinatto was shrewd by leading Pitt and 'Cuse along thinking they could leave early, but, actually keeping them till 2014. Glad that Pitt filed the suit and with WVU (and TCU) leaving sets precedence!

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  25. Chris, where is PITT going to spend all the new ACC money when it comes in. There has already been a lot of upgrades to most of the schools athletic facilities the past few years.

    The only thing I could think of is coaching and Recruiting budget for football and hoops?

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    1. I think it needs to go towards recruiting. the facilities are great and Pitt has traditionally been cheap recruiting-wise

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    2. Need a track...

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  26. Chris - Can you comment on Yahoo! Sports article ripping the new ACC deal and the news that FSU is furious with the deal? Deal isnt as good as some would believe it appears.

    Thanks.

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    1. I just read it and my first thought was crap. Hopefully we dont get the short end of the stick on this move to the ACC

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  27. Chris,

    Can you update us regarding the Goodman visit and where he and Pitt stands?

    We don't have a 'ship unless Dixon asks someone to leave - his handlers have their hands out and his grades suck - I don't see it unless they are planning for the following year after he attends Brewster.

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    1. I think he'll probably end up at prep this year and I doubt that he will ever end up at Pitt, but you never know.

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  28. That new money will go to various places, one of which will be to equalize women's sport as required by Title IX. Some will go to Olympic sports upgrades and possible a lacrosse program as the ACC is huge on that.

    It isn't all going into football.

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    1. Leads to a question...
      Does Pitt need to field a team in all ACC sports??
      - M&W Lacrosse
      - Field Hockey
      - Rowing
      If so, that is where the initially money will be going to... to fund those additional sports.

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    2. Forgot to add...
      - M&W Golf

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  29. Joe D that just sounds like a lot of money. Only 10 million more dollars the first couple years in the TV deal. I think you said we need to add more money in recruiting and rightfully so. but I think we will need to focus more on baseball, softball first to be able to just compete in the ACC. Pitt has a decent club lacrosse team but no where near ACC. This would be a daunting task to start up a team

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  30. To JoeD, not all ACC schools participate in all the sports. Check out this link to ACC standings.

    http://www.theacc.com/this-is/accstandings.html

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