Friday, May 25, 2012

Trey Zeigler eligible immediately

It was announced by the university today that Central Michigan transfer Trey Zeigler will not have to sit out a year and will be eligible for the Panthers immediately.  With the arrival of freshman center Steven Adams, and the improvement of players such as Lamar Patterson and J.J. Moore, the Panthers appear to be a legit top 25 team this season.

156 comments:

  1. Tossing ThabeetsMay 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Title contender if Dixon and company can convince Adams to stay two years...good stuff.

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  2. The question is will Dixon buck histroy and give significant playing time to guys that do not have any experience in the 'system'.

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    1. we still have people that think Jamie operates this way? Really?

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  3. Do they have need to make room on the roster??
    Does someone need to be cut?? I thought they were at 13 ships already and expecting Zieglar for next year.

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    1. I had to go count...
      It looks like Pitt was counting on him...
      Current 9 players on ship (2 seniors graduate, Birch left, Epps transfer)...

      3 players coming in plus 1 transfer...

      No cuts needed.

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    2. Good work Joe D!! I was curious myself!! Now go find out where Dorian and D-Rob are going next year!!

      I have no new news on D-Rob!

      Just cant wait to see how bad the foursome at Quip breaks the 4x relay state record!! Very dissapointed in D-Rob not running track this season too.

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  4. What does this mean for JJ Moore? Do they bring him off the bench, or does this push Zanna to the bench with Patterson and JJ starting? Assuming Adams starts also (with Zanna backing him up?).

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  5. Best guess:
    Woodall, Zeigler, Patterson, Zanna, Adams.

    JJ first "guard" off bench.
    Dante first "big."
    Hopefully good minutes for James Robinson.

    Expect a lot of Zeigler, Patterson and Moore in there together, with Patterson at the "4." I like the options.

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  6. There will be match up problems galore. We can go big with woodall, zeigler, Zanna, Taylor and Adams.....Could be a nightmare on the boards.

    I agree though with the JW lineup first, but again it provides options that can be difficult for opponents. Jamie can go all out and crush opponents, versus being conservative. Hopefully Taylor works extremely hard this offseason and they all stay injury free.

    So close to a great cover : Zeigler,Zanna,Taylor Adams and Patterson would be the ZZTAP line.

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    1. Taylor at the 3? No chance in hell

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  7. If Dixon doesnt make a final4 this year, then whats the excuse?

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    1. Dixon doesn't offer excuses but, to go from the CBI to the NCAA Final Four in one year...when you lost your best scorer in Gibbs is a tremendous stretch.

      Zeigler, Adams and James Robinson should be real contributors but will still be learning the system.

      A more realistic scenario for a great season might occur in 2014 if....Adams does very well his 1st year and stays for a 2nd.

      2014 might look like:

      Robinson in his 2nd year at the 1.
      Zeigler and Adams in their 2nd year as well
      Moore and Patterson at the 3 and Zanna at the 4

      Nice prospects - I DO think that by March of THIS year that Pitt will/should be VERY good.

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  8. Best starting lineup IMO is Woodall, Zeigler, Moore, Patterson and Adams.

    Top five backups would be Robinson, JJohnson, D. Johnson, Zanna and Taylor.

    I think it's a battle between Johnson and Wright for those minutes at the two, and I'm giving the nod to Johnson despite looking like a liability on defense as a freshman.

    This also allows Gilbert and Chris Jones the chance to redshirt.

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    1. Several potential lineups... depends upon the matchups..
      Hopefully Dixon will alter lineups..

      If power/size lineup... will be interesting who will play the 4... Zanna or Taylor.. I see Gilbert will backup Adams.
      Lets see... Dixon tends to have a union, seniority approach to starting lineups...

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  9. I think our D will be leaps and bounds better from last yr. The addition of a true shot blocker and big body, a guard 2 guard with height will also improve the rest of the team to step up and show what d is supposed to be. Things always have to fall ur way, but if we can get a few breaks i think the team can be top 15.

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  10. roscue smith going to unlv, someone needs to take a look at unlv

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  11. where do you think pitt will finish in the BE next year with zeigler in the line up?

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  12. Time to get back on my soapbox with Chryst and recruiting...
    Everyone is well aware of Quip to Pitt pipeline...
    Lasalla (assistant AD) is on the football staff...

    Dravon Henry of Quip... hard working kid... got offers from Rutgers, Maryland, WVU this week...
    but not Pitt yet...
    if Pitt/Chryst can't be the 1st to offer some of the top kids in wpial before any other college... they will never win the Wpial recruiting battle.
    Whitehead (soph in fall) has an offer from Rutgers... everyone is aware of his potential... Chryst and crew are at CV weekly trying to land Foster yet haven't offered Whitehead yet.. but allow Rutgers to beat Pitt to the punch!!
    Offering Henry and Whitehead is a no brainer!!
    smh!!!

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    1. In the past few weeks its become more and more likely that pitt lands dorian johnson and foster seems to now be a pitt v bama battle.

      As for henry and whitehead, i dont know why they havent been offered. All we can do is wait and see

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    2. If Foster wants SEC...
      I would bet Sunseri lands him in TN before Alabama..
      Reason being.. the TN QB...
      Someone like Foster who could potentially be 3 years and out... wants to start as a Frosh... will be looking at who the QB is..

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    3. PK,..
      forgot... I just listed facts regarding 2014 recruits in Chryst backyard... See trib article today.
      How can you defend Chryst recruiting tactics??
      His focus has been wpial... coaches, play game at North Hills...
      and he has other coaches just swooping in for top notch talent in his backyard.

      it is indefensible...
      now you can understand my opinion regarding Chryst recruiting acumen...

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    4. I understand you opinion and ill admit ive been somewhat defensive of chryst, but until chryst lands or loses certain players and until this class is signed we cant judge him, positively or negatively. Another thing to look at is great coaching can overcome some recruiting defeciencies. We argue so much about recruiting yet weve never talked about his actual coaching abilities.

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    5. @Joe. D,

      I just read the article titled, "Class of 2014 loaded with BCS prospects." I assume that is the Trib article you're talking about.

      FACTS in the article:
      Gorman lists 8 players that are thought to be the best WPIAL recruits for 2013. Of those 5 are committed, 2 have verbaled Pitt.

      OPINION:
      The remaining 3 -- Foster, Johnson, and Boyd -- have Pitt in their top 3.

      ANALYSIS:
      Pitt already has 2 of the top 8 and could realistically land 5 of the top 8 WPIAL players. How could you look at that as a negative? That looks like a pretty good defense of Chryst's recruiting tactics.

      FURTHERMORE, REGARDING 2014 PROSPECTS:
      From the article, "The most coveted is Blackhawk quarterback Chandler Kincade, a 6-foot-4, 215-pounder who verbally committed to Pitt last fall but is still being pursued by many BCS programs."

      So Pitt has already gotten a commitment from THE MOST COVETED player in the 2014 class.

      That last little line by Gorman (in my opinion) shows a little anti-Pitt bias. Why not end the comment after saying he committed to Pitt? Why the statement about him still being recruited? If he verbaled to PSU would Gorman have added that little comment? All it does is cast doubt on the verbal. Of course teams are still after Kincade, he can't sign until Feb 2014. The truth is ALL the players in the whole article are still being pursued.

      So, aside from Gorman's bias in reporting, what part of the article would suggest that Pitt is not doing a good job recruiting WPIAL talent? Where are all these coaches "swooping in for top notch talent in his backyard"?

      RKR

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    6. RKR...
      So defensive... yet you can't read...
      How many 2014 ships has Chryst given out??
      Dravon Henry of Aliquippa?? I'm sure you are aware of the quip to pitt pipeline... the fact that the assistant AD Lasalla is from Aliquippa... lives in Hopewell..
      I also am hearing lots of Whitehead from CV... albeit soph in Fall... everyone saying he is D-1 already.. has offer from Rutgers...

      As far as Kincaide... he was offered by Graham and committed to Graham... r u giving Chyrst credit for that???

      As far as 2014 class... there are a few no brainers that offers should be given out to certain wpial players before any other college... Dravon Henry is one of them...

      Just another example of Chryst lack of recruiting acumen.

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    7. RKR....
      Are you calling Parrish a top 8 talent in wpial...
      by whom...
      he isn't even top 10... possibly top 20...
      and thusfar unranked (no stars) in rivals...
      lmao... your kidding me..

      keep drinking the kool aid...

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    8. Joe D.,

      Who is the one that can't read? The article said NOTHING about how many 2014 offers are out. It only said that Kincaid is verbaled to Pitt. Those are FACTS, Joe.

      The rest of your response is based on OPINION! In your OPINION Chryst should have already offered. It is my OPINION that not offering at this point is not a big deal. Being the first to offer is no guarantee that Pitt will land any of those players. Do you really think Whitehead will sign with Rutgers? PSU, OSU, Michigan, etc have not offered either -- SO WHAT? The only thing that matters is what happens at the end, you know, LOI day. Pitt has plenty of time to get to know Whitehead (and the others) and their coaches on a very personal basis. Plus, if Chryst shows that he's a really good coach in the fall of 2012, he'll be able to sell his program even better to the 2014 guys.

      Yes, I credit TG for getting Kincaid. But I also credit Chryst for keeping him. The vast majority of the time recruits will jump ship as soon as the coaches who recruited them are gone. There is still a chance that Kincaid changes his mind. Chryst should be held responsible for that (at least in part). But right now, I'd rather have a verbal and be in the front than trying to get him to switch.


      It was not ME how said anything about the recruits rankings, it was Gorman (in the article YOU cited!!!).

      Here's what was said (by Gorman):
      "With North Allegheny’s Patrick Kugler (Michigan), Seton-La Salle’s Scott Orndoff (Pitt), Gateway’s Jaymar Parrish (Pitt), McKeesport’s Hodari Christian (West Virginia) and Monessen’s Chavas Rawlins (West Virginia) committed, the top BCS prospects left are Central Valley’s Robert Foster, Belle Vernon’s Dorian Johnson and Clairton’s Tyler Boyd."

      FACT: All the above names are BCS recruits. I have no OPINION of how good any of them are -- because I have seen exactly NONE of them play.

      Another FACT: Rankings do not always indicate how god the player will actually be. In that sense, I have to trust that PC and company see something in Parrish that others do not. Not a big leap of faith because I know nearly nothing about scouting.

      I'm not drinking anything, I'm looking at the FACTS!

      This is your OPINION:
      "Just another example of Chryst lack of recruiting acumen." We won't know if this is true until Feb 2013. After LOI Day 2013, we can get an idea if your opinion is fact.

      Keep confusing FACT and OPINION, and in doing so, leaping to illogical conclusions!

      RKR

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    9. RKR..
      You obviously don't know what it takes to land top recruits...
      the article listed Dravon Henry and Jordan whitehead ('15) as having recieved offers from other colleges..

      look at what you wrote about Kincaid...
      his first offer was from Pitt... and YOU say... rather have a verbal then trying to get him to switch..
      Well, don't you think Kincaid committed to Pitt because it was the first to offer... and in his backyard!!!
      That is my point!!!

      I don't expect Chyrst to be the first to offer some kid in Ohio... but Wpial...
      C'mon Man!!!

      You just can't defend that tactic of Chryst RKR..

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    10. Joe D.,

      It's not my job to defend TACTICS, all I can do is look at the results. Especially if you consider that PC has not even coached 1 game at Pitt. While we all know your OPINION of PC's tactics, we will not know the FACTS about how well they work until LOI day.

      Whether I support his tactics is irrelevant, PC is not going to change them (or keep them) based on my OPINION. I am willing to let this play out until LOI day to see what happens. Until then, we don't KNOW anything regarding how well they will (or will not) work.

      You are right about this, "You obviously don't know what it takes to land top recruits..." I don't claim to know anything about recruiting. But it is my opinion that you don't know either. If you knew so much, someone would pay you to do their recruiting. All you have is your OPINION on how it should be done.

      Here is another example of you using OPINION as FACT:
      "Well, don't you think Kincaid committed to Pitt because it was the first to offer... and in his backyard!!!"

      You claim (OPINION) that the reason Kincaid committed to Pitt is because that was his first offer. While Pitt may have been the first, that may not be the REASON he committed. Maybe he really liked the guy who was recruiting him. Maybe he like the academics at Pitt. Maybe he likes the idea of practicing next to and playing on the same field as the Steelers. Maybe it's a combination of all and/or more factors. Unless he actually tells us the reasons we do not know the FACTS as to why he committed.

      So you use this to jump to the illogical conclusion that offering first is the REASON Kincaid committed -- just NOT true!!

      Again, I am not here to DEFEND PC tactics, but I'm also not here to DESTROY them (as you seem to want to do). I say, let this play out and see what his results are on LOI day. I do not know the reason why he has not offered more 2014 kids, but I am not going to jump to the conclusion that he will not be able to get any of these guys. There is a lot of time between now and 2014, and Pitt will play a lot of football between now and then. We (and the potential recruits) will know a lot more about PC and Pitt FB. Hopefully, PITT will be much more attractive in December 2013.

      RKR

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    11. Joe, (Mr. Consistant)

      At first you were harping about how Pitt had few offers out to the class of 2013. Now, they've had some time to adjust and get to know the recruits they'd like to target but now you're concerned with the number of 2014 offers? C'mon man!

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    12. To Anonymous...
      The issue is no getting offers out to 2014 wpial no brainers...

      For all those that complain about Pitt losing top notch talent from wpial to other schools... please tell me how in the world... not being 1st to offer wpial no-brainers is a good thing!!!

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    13. Joe D.,

      I have no idea if being the first to offer makes any difference at all. So you please tell us, how in the world does being first increase the chances that Pitt will land any of these guys? Is there any statistical correlation between being the first to offer and the success rate of landing a player? Since Rutgers is the first to offer Whitehead, show me numbers that prove they have a better chance of getting him versus being his 3rd offer (or 10th, or 37th). Please provide FACTS, numbers, statistics, etc. Anything else is just your OPINION, which is worth the exact same as mine...NOTHING!

      In my OPINION, Pitt being the 1st or 11th or 25th to offer will make NO difference on their ability to land any of these 2014 recruits. I think (OPINION) there are other things that are much more important: how much do they like the person recruiting them, how much do they like the head coach, how much do they like the scheme and how would they fit into it, how successful was the team during the past season, how much playing time cold they get (and how early), etc. I doubt any of these guys thinks to themselves, "Pitt didn't offer first, so I'm not even going to consider going there."

      Also, I don't complain about Pitt losing some WPIAL talent to other programs. The WPIAL is not exclusively Pitt's territory, just ask PSU. OSU and Michigan have some roots here too. Pitt will NEVER be able to land ALL the best WPIAL kids.

      I've been a Pitt fan since 1976, I love Pitt, but I also know that we are not currently in the same category as the PSU, OSU and Michigans of the world. Pitt should go after the WPIAL guys, but we all know they are going to lose some of them to these other schools. It will be interesting to see how WVU going to the Big 12 changes this dynamic too. Will they do better or worse in getting WPIAL kids. Time will tell..

      RKR

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    14. I don't think a kid will go to a school just because they offer first, but I do wonder why three schools offered Dravon Henry and Pitt isn't one of them yet. It MAY prove down the line that the staff is not very aggressive, which would be a problem.

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    15. RKR..
      Rushel Shell 1st offer was from Pitt!!!
      9th grade... LaSalla was showing him the Pitt love for 4 years...
      Does that matter... absolutely...

      And to expand upon what Dokes said... that is what I've been saying all along with 1 point or another... Chryst and crew are just not agressive!!!

      If you can't land top Wpial players... you are not going to land top players in Ohio or wherever else... Duh!

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    16. Chris,

      I think its safe to say the staff is not aggressive - at least not at throwing offers out. Add to that the misunderstood quote by PC about only wanting players that want to go to Pitt and we can see that their style is not typical.

      What we have yet to see is if their style will be successful. We have to be careful on what we mean by "successful" though, DW was "successful" at winning the recruiting rankings, his product in the fall, however, was not as successful as we would have liked.

      The other thing that I think is being overlooked is the importance of how "successful" PC is with winning this fall. DW was able to take one improbable win (13-9) and turn that into a great recruiting class (at least on paper). Just weeks before 13-9 who would thing we'd get Sadler, et al? If PC coaches this team up and they win the BE and a bowl game, what affect would that have on his ability to land any of the guys? What if he is also competitive in his first year in the ACC? Would that be more important than being the 1st to offer?

      That's why I keep saying to Joe D. (and anyone else), I have no problem with you having concerns about PC as a recruiter and a coach (I do too). But just because he is doing things differently does not mean that he is wrong. We have to WAIT AND SEE before we can make judgements based on FACTS, everything else to this point is only OPINION.

      RKR

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    17. Joe D.,

      They HAVE landed WPIAL talent and are the leaders on the 3 top remaining players in the WPIAL. As pointed out before, you were on here complaining about the lack of Pitt offers to 2013 recruits, seems like that issue has been cleared up. So now to shift your argument to 2014, I can't wait until this is a non-issue so you can get on to the class of 2015. BTY, my son have 3 TD's in his flag-football link and he has yet to hear from PC, in spite of the fact that he live only 45 minutes away and his dad is a grad and season-ticket holder. I'm sure he'll remember that if/when PC gets around to offering...

      Funny you bring up Shell, I believe you are the guy that said the only reason he's going to Pitt is because of the twins. Funny how you like to reinterpret things to meet whatever argument you're trying to make.

      Again I point out to you (and risk sounding redundant) it is your OPINION that being the first to offer Shell made a difference (at least today), please provide some PROOF to that claim. A FACT that you can point to, like Shell making a statement regarding his reasons for choosing Pitt.

      My guess - you have NOTHING!

      RKR

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    18. RKR...
      You are absolutely a Pitt diehard..
      clearly drinking the Chryst koolaid...
      you clearly lack common sense or any understanding of what it takes to win in college football.
      Not worth wasting time responding to you...

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    19. Not drinking PC's kool aid, nor I am I going to accept your baseless rants regarding Pitt's recruiting.

      I'm looking for FACTS Joe, and you supply none, not one.

      If you are just going to spout your OPINIONS as fact, but not actually provide any FACTS, then I'm happy you won't reply.

      I love how you state "you clearly lack common sense or any understanding of what it takes to win in college football" but provide no examples. You base the OPINION on the FACT that I do not see things your way.

      Yes, I am a Pitt diehard. But I will also look at things as objectively as I can. And to this point, I cannot look at anything PC has done and conclude whether he'll be a good recruiter or not. This is because we cannot know this until Feb 2013, LOI Day. Why don't we have his discussion next Feb, after the season and LOI Day. We'll actually have some FACTS to point to. We might even agree that PC's approach was wrong. It is not possible, however, for us to make that statement yet.

      RKR

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    20. RKR,

      I agree wholeheartedly with you. Chryst and his staff need to be judged on the results on letter of intent day. It's possible it'll turn out that Coach Chryst's style of recruiting won't suffice, but can we give the guy a chance before we declare him a recruiting failure?

      To microanalyze every move the staff makes or doesn't make gets very old. Let's wait and see the results and then make a judgment.

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    21. Joe-

      Please clarify this statement: "you clearly lack common sense or any understanding of what it takes to win in college football"

      PC coached in the Rose Bowl the last two years coming out of the Big Ten and with "inferior recruits". Does PC not know how to win?

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  13. When will Dixon make a final4?

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    1. Well, jamie dixon has been doing really well in the recruiting world so if that trend continues in the 2013 class and adams stays id say 2013 would be pitts best chance. Robinson, adams, gilbert, moore, patterson, zanna, both johnsons, and hopefully a class of talented freshman would be pretty damn good.

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    2. When the breaks go his way.

      I must have missed where it was easy to make a Final Four. I know for a fact Dixon will try his hardest to get there for us fans so we can then start asking "When will Dixon win a championship?"

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  14. First off, Pitt is recruiting kids with more integrity than DW and Fraud. Second, give the guy a break, we haven't seen nuttin yet.
    Definitely most negative fans in the country.
    If recruits read these blogs(and they do) why in the hell would they want JoeD up their arses about how overrated they are or were whichever fits the bill at the time.
    Win or lose I will support them.
    Stay home and watch the Scarlet Knights.

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    1. You can keep your integrity all you want....
      I want Pitt to win..

      btw RKR... you can go to rivals... Pitt has 8 offers out to 2014.. 3 from wpial.
      Kincaide, Rawlins, Thrift

      Rutgers has 23 offers out to 2014.. Just say'in..

      If you don't know what it takes to win in college football.... then you just haven't been following college football!!!
      Here is a hint... you need good players (yes highly ranked) and you need good coaches..
      One without the other... and all you will get is average results... you won't get top 25!

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    2. Joe D.,

      Pitt has 8, Rutgers has 23, SO WHAT?? Prove to me that Rutgers will have a better class in 2014 than Pitt. Also give me some proof that the reason Rutgers will be better is simply because that have more offers out in May of 2012. More offers does not directly lead to more and better recruits. Nor does earlier offers directly correlate to more and better recruits.

      Why don't we review those WPIAL numbers between Pitt and Rutgers in February of 2014? Do you really believe that Rutgers will do better in the WPIAL than Pitt?

      You are missing the point Joe. Everyone here knows that Pitt needs top talent to be a top program. If you think that I'm saying otherwise than I 'd like to know how you got that impression.

      What you can't seem to understand is that I am not going to pass judgement on the ability of PC to recruit talent until after I see who he signs. To make the straw man argument that we don't know what it takes to win is a sure sign that you either a) don't understand what I've been saying or b) know that what I'm saying is true and you don't have a substantive response.

      Once again I'll say it... we do not know for certain whether PC can recruit. We will not know for certain until AFTER the nation LOI day, which will not happen until Feb 2013. AFTER that day, we can look back and see how well PC has done in the recruiting wars.

      To start an second argument, just because the class is loaded with 4* and 5* players does not mean the team will win and/or the players will be stars. you see, Joe, the rankings are also OPINIONS, which is why that are not 100% accurate. DW was the best recruiter Pitt has had in a long time, according to all the web sites. But it seem to me Walt had a better eye for talent than DW and used his players better. Yes, Walt did more with less.

      So, I'm not completely sold on the star system (although it does have its place) as a predictor of on-the-filed success. Coaching has a lot to do with that.

      RKR

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    3. "I want Pitt to win.."

      So you compare them to the top notch program of...Rutgers? How is having more or less offers out to Rutgers indicative of anything? Rutgers sucks, and has always been a mediocre program. The only success they've had has come on the back of Ray Rice (a 3-star recruit *GASP*).

      They have a different recruiting strategy than Rutgers? GOOD.

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  15. Joe-

    Please clarify this statement: "you clearly lack common sense or any understanding of what it takes to win in college football"

    PC coached in the Rose Bowl the last two years coming out of the Big Ten and with "inferior recruits". Does PC not know how to win?

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    1. No one is questioning Chryst coaching accumen..

      but to call Wisconsin "inferior recruits" is laughable..

      keep drinking the koolaid if you think Chryst will win with 3 star recruits or a wpial all-star team...
      and by win... 8-4 is minimal..
      Wanny lost his job and he averaged better than that his last 3 years!!!

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    2. "No one is questioning Chryst coaching accumen.."

      Seriously, Joe, why not? Now I am HOPING PC is as good as HC as he was as OC, but we don't know that yet either. Us Pitt fans have seen many coordinators become failures as the head coach.

      I have many questions regarding PC. That doesn't mean I don't like him -- I DO like PC and think he's a great hire -- but I have to see his product on the field before I say he's a good coach.

      RKR

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    3. RKR - .."he's a great hire". How exactly have you determined this?

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    4. I wrote that I "think he's a great hire." Key word is "THINK" which means that is it my opinion that he is a great hire.

      Reasons for my opinion:
      Excellent work as OC at Wisconsin
      Seems to be able to get the most from his players
      Scheme seems to fit the plays (and the Pgh area) better than TG
      Does not come on like a used-car salesman
      Doesn't seem to be have a wandering eye for the next step up
      Highly recommended by Barry Alvarez (who seems to know good coaching)
      Players seem to like him and his style

      All of the above are opinions based on things I have heard or read. I have not spoken to any member of the staff, or any player. I did speak to Eric William's dad at Breezewood after the spring game - he REALLY likes PC. That is the closest thing to a "source" that I have.

      HOWEVER:
      Will ultimately be judged by wins and losses but without seeing the team play yet I cannot comment on his ability to be a successful head coach. Truthfully, it could take a year or two for us to really know what kind of coach he will be.

      Does that answer your question, ZM?

      RKR

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  16. One difference between Pitt boards and WVU boards is that Joe mocks everything Pitt and the WV boards would not allow him to post that garbage consistently over time.

    Recruits want to go where the fans treat them like royalty. Having people like Joe, hurts, unless you realize he is from WV or PSU. At that point, it all starts to make sense. Did Joe just look at the number of offers Rutgers has made for 2014 to solidify an argument? Joe? Rutgers? Championships, are you talking championships at Rutgers. Laughable Joe, purely laughable.
    My goodness, at least pick USC or OSU, but Rutgers..hahahahahaha.

    Every CEO has a five year plan. Paul Chryst is our CEO. Only after five years will you be able to tell if he is doing well or not. Not LOI in 2013, or 2014. Let's see where we are in the ACC and in recruiting in 2016. That is when you will know how he has done. I mocked Haywood and I double mocked Graham from day one.

    I will not mock Paul Chryst because he has a plan. Yes, I drink the koolaid. Support is critical by fans both on the boards and in the seats. At the end of the day, if you are good enough, you play anywhere. The problem with a lot of the WPIAL kids is that they think they are good enough, go off to a school and can't crack the lineup and don't get drafted. PITT gives them a realistic opportunity for early playing time. Michael Vick even recommends PITT.

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    1. Pitt is not USC or OSU...
      and more like Rutgers in the ability to land top recruits.
      LOL... coaches get fired if they don't perform within 2-3 years... lol wait 5 years... you are a patient man.

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    2. How long was Walt Harris here? DW got 6 years. I know we've gone through a lot of coaches over the past 2 years (after DW was fired), but Pitt has been very patient with their head coaches. I would expect PC to have a least 4 years.

      RKR

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  17. Sorry Joe, 2-3 years Except at pitt Wanny 6, Walt 7. I guess that's almost 2-3 years. It's the new math Joe, so I gotta bust your chops.

    At least at Rutgers, your example, Schiano was only there like 10 years, and the three coaches before him at least five apiece, so your example holds water with me. Also,Schiano only won two games his first year and followed that up with a 1 win season, but he had a plan. Go scour away to find the 2-3 year firings because they are out there, just not where you looked. Sorry bud.

    Look, your first year, kids, coaches and parents are hesitant because you are an unknown quantity. If most of that class redshirts, you should be given five years, period. That is one complete cycle. It also gives kids comfort that you will be there during their entire career because like it or not, they commit to a coach, not a school.

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  18. Enough of this nonsense. Joe will obviously never stop with the negativity.

    Chris, what are your thoughts on 2013 PF Mike Young? Seems like its more than likely he will be a Panther.

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    1. Personally, I like some other Pitt PF targets more. He reminds me a lot of Talib Zanna in that I see a solid post player but somebody who, in my opinion, doesn't stand out as somebody who is going to be a force in the paint. Of course a lot lesser ranked players have turned into big time stars so I'm not saying it won't happen, but I have to be honest and say that when I watch him I don't see a future star.

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  19. Joe, you would be a lot better off if you just didn't make such declarative statements. You actually have some valid points in a lot of what you say but then you go overboard to make your point. Thinks aren't as black and white as you say. Everything is gray. While you have a point that Chryst MAY not know what he's doing in recruiting, the truth is, none of us will really know for awhile yet. I also get a little nervous with some of his ways of doing thing but in all honesty until, and if, he actually fails, you can't say he will. Now if he loses Foster, Johnson, and Boyd then by all means get on him because then he would be starting to fail. I don't think that will happen, though.

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    1. If PC loses Foster, Johnson, and Boyd I'll be on here AGREEING with Joe D. That would be some evidence that I could accept as proof that his methods are not working!

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    2. If Pitt got 2 of the 3... that would be a good day at the office... that would be 3 of the top 7 wpial players.. that is good.. not great!! but acceptable.
      In my opinion...
      Johnson is a gimme...
      I think.... Boyd is waiting to see where Foster is leaning... I don't see Boyd picking Pitt if Foster is going to Pitt... so, it may be possible Pitt doesn't get either due to waiting game..

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    3. Agreed that 2/3 would be good.

      I think we also need to factor in the uphill climb that PC has to overcome in the wake of the TG "era." TG's car-salesmen shtick put off a lot of WPIAL coaches and PC has to regain their trust.

      He also has to overcome the fact that Pitt FB has looked very bad since DW was fired/resigned. The coaches searches - from the outside - have looked disorganized and have resulted in two hires that will forever be in Pitt FB lore (and NOT in a positive way).

      It is my opinion that the best selling point that PC has for recruiting will be how good the team plays this fall. If PC is the coach we all hope he is and the team plays organized and discipline FB, and if they compete (or even win?) for the BE title, that could go a long way in convincing Foster, Boyd, and Johnson that Pitt is on the way up.

      As is the case with any new coach, we are in a wait-and-see mode for both recruiting and coaching. I think its too early to make any blanket statements on either. We'll have a better idea of how PC is a HC in December, and we'll know if his tactics work in Feb 2013.

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    4. RKR...
      I think your making tooo much of a big deal of the coaching carousel after Wanny... as is the media..
      Look at PSU... that is much much worse... and it didn't hurt their recruiting one iota!! in my opinion of course.

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  20. Pitt fired DW, whole was allowed to speak during a news conference, then strung out his decision to coah the bowl game, then hired Haywood, and fired him a week later. Hastily hired TG, suffered through a year of his "high octane" talk with terrible results on-field, only to have him slink out in the middle of the night for a program that is not significantly better than Pitt's, then hired a guy much the same in philosophy as DW.

    Much of this has been documented on ESPN, not good exposure.

    While the PSU scandal is much worse, they have succeeded in making the issue more about the actions of Sandusky than a reflection of the FB program. They hired one coach, who has a successful NFL resume and seems to be doing well in the recruiting. In some ways, I get a sense that many PSU fans are relieved JoePa is not the coach and the program can start moving forward.

    I would agree that their recruiting seems to be going quite well (certainly better than Pitt if you look at the stars) but let's not fool ourselves, PSU football is a much easier sell than Pitt FB at this point. It pains me to say that - I'm a life-long Pitt fan - but the terrible FB we've had for 30 years has killed the overall perception.

    I am NOT trying to be argumentative here - can you tell me why you think the coaches changes are not as big of a deal as I think they are? Not looking to argue at all, I'd just like to hear another side of the issue.

    I'd also like your thoughts on this, based on where Pitt FB is today, is it fair to compare Pitt's recruiting with PSU, and OSU. What about WVU? Or should we look at other BE teams and/or the ACC? What is the best benchmark for Pitt football at this point in time?

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    1. Benchmarking and measuring against competition are 2 separate things... below are my thoughts on how Pitt should measure up!!
      However, Pitt should be #1 in Big East for recruiting... every year...
      Pitt should be #4 in ACC for recruiting... every year... behind Florida State, Miami, Virgina Tech....

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    2. You got the part about being #1 in the BE and #4 in the ACC right, Joe.

      However, DW was #1 in the BE but was never able to actually, you know...WIN the BE!

      This is where I excited about PC. I'm hoping that he is able to use the talent we have in a way that DW couldn't seem to figure out. The game-day coaching and overall vision under PC I am hoping will allow us to actually OVER perform (for just once in my life!).

      So, while it is very important to recruit well, it is just as much so to coach the talent up.

      Again, we'll know more in December...

      RKR

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  21. I read one report of a 4* RB who is high on Pitt, and indications suggest he may eventually commit but one thing he said that was telling regarding the coaching carrousel has hurt was, "They have been through a lot of coaches and I want to meet Chryst and find out his commitment to Pitt. I want to make sure he will be there for me." [this is a rough but good paraphrase].

    The point is if this one very interested recruit articulated his desire to make sure the coaching carrousel has ended, I am sure there are many others.

    Also, I see the PSU coach similar to Weiss when he went to ND, a lot of excitement from his pro career but as it turned out it was due to T Brady and others at NE not just Weiss. I am hoping the PSU coach has a similar career as Weiss...

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  22. The dilemma...you can’t win without good recruits but you can’t get good recruits without winning.

    The solution...hire a coach from a program that has a history of winning football games with a roster full of average talent. Wisconsin has been ranked 10th, 7th and 16th over the past three years without having a recruiting class in the top 25.

    Given Pitt’s recent history, no coach was going to step into this job and set the recruiting world on fire, so they might as well get someone that is going to make the most of what Pitt has right now. I happen to think that Coach Chryst is that guy. If he can teach these kids how to win football games, the recruits will soon follow.

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    1. Well said. Nobody knows yet, but we are off to a good start and the future appears promising after a bleak past few years.

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    2. MC,

      I think this is where one more year in the BE can help us. I believe Pitt has enough talent to contend for the BE title this year. Check out the rosters of the rest of the BE and tell be which teams have more overall talent than Pitt.

      We're all hoping PC can bring some of the magic from Madison to Pittsburgh.

      If he is able to win, I expect a real jump in the talent level as we move into the ACC. Of course, we'll need that upgrade just to be competitive.

      RKR

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  23. PSU is spending about 6 million in public relation firm costs to make sure the problems are all placed on the old coach and distance the university from the scandal. Their methodology is working if you follow the national press.

    They are selling the recruits on being the group that starts the recovery process and being a part of something special. You can't recover from something that hasn't completely unfolded yet.

    Coach Chryst needs five years. I want him to secure the services of the local recruits talked about above as well as Corey Clements from NJ. As far as Boyd and Foster waiting each other out, that is crazy. If they want to do something special, they come in together and be the guys that are feared as a teandem in the ACC. What do they think is going to happen at OSU, Tenn, Michigan or other scenario. It is up to the coach to share them with the ball and I believe Chryst achieves that balance.

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  24. Joe D,
    Sal Sunseri might be out of a job next year at Tennessee due to Dooley having the hottest seat in the nation. Sal will be coaching next year but I don't think it will be there.

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  25. 4 star rb detrick green from virginia says he plans to visit pitt. Hes 6' 220 and i saw he has sub 4.5 forty speed. Either green or clement would be huge for pitt

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  26. Joe D.,

    Looks like the guys a Rivals read your post from a couple of days ago:


    Joe DMay 29, 2012 9:34 AM

    RKR....
    Are you calling Parrish a top 8 talent in wpial...
    by whom...
    he isn't even top 10... possibly top 20...
    and thusfar unranked (no stars) in rivals...
    lmao... your kidding me..

    keep drinking the kool aid...




    Seems that they now have him listed as a 3*. I don't really care what Rivals and/or Scout says, but I thought the timeing was perfect (at least for me).

    RKR

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  27. The best we couldve hoped for in recruiting this year was get johnson, foster, boyd, zaire/chapman, and fill the rest of the class with solid prospects. Like RKR said, how many coaches would have set the trail on fire? I think only a handful- the sabans and meyers of the world. Think about it though, of those top prospects i listed, pitt is the favorite for johnson, chapman, ill low bal and say top 2 for foster, and top 2 for boyd. Plus pitt is in very well for corey clement and, at the very least, the #1 rb in the class derrick green wants to visit. Im not saying pitt will land him AT ALL but if he wants a visit he at least has some interest. Well have to wait and see

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    1. Some FACTS from NJ... lol (is that ok RKR)...

      Corey Clement... Glassboro is Class A school.. ok tradition (opinion)... he is not that fast.. (opinion).. 11.76 in 100m is his PR. Orndoff can beat him!!!
      http://nj.milesplit.com/athletes/2785999-corey-clement

      Zaire Williams... Timber Creek is Class AAA school... good program (opinion)... doesn't run track.
      He has more offers... maybe because nobody knows his true times.... or because 3A vs 1A...

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    2. LOL, that is funny, Joe D. (FACT!)

      Other than looking at times, why do you place such a heavy emphasis on track? I know a lot of good track guys that cannot play FB, and there are a lot of good FB players that either don't care for track or are not as good at it as they are in FB.

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    3. RKR...
      For skill positions... like RB, WR, CB..
      its all about the speed and quickness... in my opinion..
      no combine numbers for either...
      I like skill players that run track... just a preference... and those that put the work in...
      ie. Coles from Clairton, Henry from Aliquippa, etc.

      But, if Zaire williams rivals measurables are accurate (bench, etc)... I would take Williams over Clement. Some reasons... Timber Creek (which is loaded this year) develops atheletes, plays against better competition, has to share the ball with other top FB players on his team so stats not as high as they could be, appears to be putting the work with the weights... and Clement is slower than I would like in RB, played substandard competition and racked up yards, etc.

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    4. I wouldn't have enough space on this website to list all of the excellent running backs over the years that didn't run fast 40 times. It means nothing at the position. Corey Clement is a big time talent- period.

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    5. Chris,
      What is your basis that Corey Clement is a big time talent??
      Are you aware what his competition is??? I am... i live in NJ... looking at his film is meaningless... Glassboro plays substandard teams.. Timber Creek is the real deal!! Clement is not BCS D1 talent in my eyes... whereas Williams is!

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    6. Joe, dion lewis and ray graham lack/ed great speed and they were some of the best backs in the country. Look at montee ball at wisconsin and trent ruchardson of alabama, neither had great 40 times and both were heisman finalists. You obviously want speed at the skill positions but thats not the only thing that makes a player great

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    7. Speed, strength, quickness in Highschool is all relative. These are 17 and 18 year old kids.

      As I've said before all those things are merely indicators and shouldn't be considered the end all and be all of their ability. Being super fast in HS doesn't mean they'll be super fast in college after their body has filled in, and the reverse can also be true. Just because a kid isn't strong at 17 doesn't mean he won't be a powerhouse at 21 when his muscles have developed fully.

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    8. Joe D, not a BCS D1 talent? Child please! Clement has 14 offers (Rivals) including Pitt, Ohio St., Notre Dame, Penn St., Nebraska, Florida St., Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. that speak otherwise. How many games have you seen him play? Seriously. My guess is none. -Gordo

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    9. The kid had 2500 yards with about 10 yds/carry... playing in a powderpuff league... Class A.
      Keep in mind... NJ HS football isn't very good... north jersey is pretty good but the rest depends upon HS programs...
      So, if someone is looking at his yards... I laugh.. i looked at some film where players didn't catch him on some long runs which means playing against slower players...
      Look at Clairton... how many players out of Clairton started at Pitt or some BCS D1 team the past 10 years or so?? And I think Clairton has the best Class A program in PIAA!!! Glassboro doesn't hold a candle to Clairton...

      Just sayin... I would take Zaire Williams over Clement. Williams doesn't have the stats because his team is loaded and have to spread it around.. they have 4 players with 3 star or better and another 4 with profiles on rivals.

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  28. PK,
    Dion Lewis ran track... and he was fast.. 11.12 PR from what I found.

    http://ny.milesplit.com/athletes/1562881-dion-lewis

    Thanks for helping me make my point..
    I'm looking for Ray Graham.. but Elizabeth doesn't have much of a track program.

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  29. Dion lewis did not have great speed. His strait line speed was average and thanks for proving hurriquakes point that speed in hs doesnt garauntee speed in college

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  30. 11.12 is pretty good in HS...
    your boy Clement is 11.76... so he is much much slower...
    and your point is subjective... where are the times... facts as RKR would say???
    Lewis was quick... very quick...
    and there is a relationship between speed and quickness...
    typically the shuttle is .3 faster than 40 time.. goes hand in hand... typically.
    Foster PR was 11.3 I believe as a sophmore...
    Jon Baldwin typically around 11.0 in HS..

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  31. Dion Lewis nfl profile pro day..
    40 - 4.47
    shuttle - 4.18
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89990&draftyear=2011&genpos=RB

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  32. Why is it that the people who know the least usually talk, or in this case, post the most?

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  33. not to be a schmuck, but orndorff takes a lot less strides than clement so he should get to the finish line faster....lol@me!

    I do like track guys for WR's, not necessarily for rb's. RB's need to be quick but have great peripheral vision. Got to be able to find the hole. Will take Dion's, Barlow's and Shady's all day. Dion ran track for something to do in high school, like most athletes. They were football players first.

    It's time for Pitt to land another recruit.....
    is this the weekend?

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  34. Joe D, the level of competition means nothing. MANY small school running backs have become stars. You either have talent or you don't, and all you have to do is look at the level of offers that Clement has and you should know he's a big time talent. That's not the kinds of schools that offer kids for nothing.

    As far as speed, where do I begin? Neither Emmitt Smith nor Walter Payton were fast and they are the two leading rushers in NFL history. Enough said.

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  35. I think all of you are over looking his point. I do agree with JoeD that competition level does matter. Do we really think D-Rob would be getting these offers if he played for Monaca in single "A?" I do not think he would. He has shown that against "AAA" competition he can dominate and that means something. Does it mean anything as far as production at the next level of course not but it shows recruiters that this kid can produce against better talented players.
    Why do you all think Quip plays up???? For no other reason than for the kids. Less of these kids from Quip would get "ships" if they played in single "A." Less ships means less kids are going to school for free!!!

    Lets not take his points and drive them into the ground. Of course somebody had to bring up Emmitt and Payton into this conversation.

    To back up JoeD a little more and add to his point... Take a look at all the top high schools in single "A." Rochester, Clairton, Springdale, even Southern Columbia. I know of Hynoski and Moye as being pretty good college football players at pretty good University's. I cant think of any others, although Im sure somebody will pull out a Jerry Rice name from somewhere.

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    1. I've been a recruiting writer for nearly ten years and in every recruiting cycle there are many elite prospects from around the country who play against weak competition. I've known many assistant coaches and they couldn't care less about competition. You either have talent or you dont. Obviously there are more big school kids who get heavily recruited but that's only because there are more of them. I'm not going to bother to do it but I could go down the list of top ranked national players right now and single out small school kids.

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    2. I hear ya and agree. The way I look at it is if player "A" and player "B" are fairly similar and player "A" is faster then I want him. If they are evaluated completely equal but one played against much better comp then give me that guy. He has proved it in the long run.

      I completely understand that small school kids can dominate. I get it. Would you rather have the kid the dominated at (any local middle of the pack "A" school) or a kid that dominated at Gateway?

      I understand its not all about the school they played at but I would have to think it sure helps.

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    3. I agree with Chris. A kid may have more impresssive stats from playing at a small school, but that doesn't mean they're not a big-time talent, as has been suggested. Just because you were born into or moved into a small school district, how does that have any bearing on your football talent?

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    4. The recruiters care little about stats. All they are looking for is the raw material to work with. If you have physical talent then they will want you. You would be surprised how many so-called 4 and 5 star prospects did not dominate in high school. Pitt and Florida offered a QB this year that hasn't even started a game yet.

      Also, just look at the top WPIAL rushers last season. The leading rusher on the season was Tyler Boyd, a Class A kid who has many top offers. Of the top ten rushers, three are from Quad A and not one of them has a major offer. Boyd got more offers because he was better, pure and simple. Coaches didn't care who he played against. They can see his talent with their own eyes.

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    5. I just looked at every player who played in the WPIAL last year who has major offers and also accumulated a lot of rushing yards.

      Tyler Boyd Class A
      Rushel Shell Class AAA
      Dravon Henry Class AA
      Demetrious Cox Class AA
      Greg Garmon Class AAAA
      Dakota Conwell Class AAAA
      Chavas Rawlins Class A

      As you can see, There were just as many Class A kids as Quad A kids. And there were four small school kids to three big school kids. So there goes that the theory that size of your school matters.

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    6. Here is an example of wpial Class A players on Pitt roster...
      Manny Williams of Clairton... highly rated... has yet to crack the lineup. Last season coming up.
      Weatherspoon of Clairton.. too early to tell.
      Carswell of StoRox.. too early to tell.
      Clairton and StoRox are better programs than Glassboro and play against better competition in the wpial.

      I'm just sayin.... I would rather go after Zaire Williams over Corey Clement..
      Now I would like to see more measurables on Williams..
      Timber Creek is in 3A and similar to TJ... D1 prospects all the time... top program.

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  36. RKR - regarding your conversation with a player's father...

    Because I write articles for a separate blog I attended a couple practices this spring and wanted to get a true feel for how Chryst was being received. I sought out some parents and had a long conversations with Felder's Dad along with some other parents and Felder is head over heels for Paul Chryst as were the others.

    I also spoke with some HS coaches who were invited to watch practices and across the board they were all very happy with the hire. "Night and Day" was used more than once and two HS coaches told me that over the last three years they were not talking up PITT with their players but they felt that would change with Chryst.

    Now, as in anything else first impressions stick and we'll see how things turn out over the next six months. However, those coaches I talked to know way more about HS and college football than I do and certainly more about the WPIAL and PA football - and I didn't hear any even lukewarm opinions about our new HC. It was all very positive.

    I did the same thing last spring and the results were different, more smirking and "We'll see what happens" type of response from the few guys I talked with prior to the season being played, because Graham barred the public and HS coaches from watching practices, they weren't sold on Graham at all.

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    1. And your point is?????
      The players loved Wanny....
      The alum loved Wanny....
      The wpial HS coaches loved Wanny...

      But all that love, Wanny still couldn't land the top recruits out of Wpial.... and all that love doesn't put up "W's"....

      I could careless what wpial coaches think... don't know how much persuasion they have in the recruiting process anymore...

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    2. Joe, wanny was a good enough recruoter for pitt to be a consistant top 15-20 team. He lacked gameday coaching ability. Since chryst was an offensive coordinator and is schematically one of the best there is, i think its safe to assume that hes a great gameday coach. Thats his reputation. Recruiting is up in the air as of right now. Well have to see about that but it makes a difference what hs coaches think. Even if they have a very small influence on their players' decisions its worth it to get even the slightest advantage

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    3. Reed,

      I only spoke with the guy for about 5 minutes, but I could tell that he really liked PC. He said PC went out of his way to have the parents involved and to feel like they were part of the program. Then he said something to the effect that it was a 100% change in attitude from last year. He told me he had been on couple a few weeks before for a get together with all the fathers.

      He seem to imply that not all of the players were bought into the TG "high octane" and were very excited about getting back to the style of play that PC was bringing in.

      By the way, this guy was RIPPED, he looked like he could step on the field and play. He was very friendly and I enjoyed our little conversation.

      RKR

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  37. The pro's seem to draft kids from small schools that play against lesser competition all the time. It is based on measurables and....football talent. Are they concerned where the kid played? Sometimes, but at the end of the day they get drafted into the league. Point being is that if they are good enough, the scouts will find them. That is one of the reasons I prefer some of the local kids to stay local instead of trying to go to Alabama and Florida.

    For the pro's to find you, you have to play. If you get stuck behind a another star player at a major university and can't sniff the field, you have no tape. No tape is usually a no go on draft day. That's why I worry about Kugler going to Michigan. Michigan has 11 or 12 OLinemen signed in the last two classes. If things don't go his way because of numbers, he may not improve as much and sniff the field (a true possibility). Not that I am arguing for him to go to Pitt, but if he would matriculate to Pitt, he sees the field as a Sophomore at the latest and has three years of tape (good or bad) to prove his case to the next level. Dorian Johnson and Adam Bisnowotny see the same opportunities!

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  38. Funny how everyone of you has cemented my point even further about playing at lesser schools. If its high school or college it doesnt matter. Huff you mention if a decent kid gets "stuck" well that is what can happen. Look at Evan Blankenship from Center. Not sure why but he never sniffed the field at Ohio State. Had he been at a AAAA school perhaps he wouldnt have dominated like he did in AA.

    Also like you mention, perhaps if he had gone to Pitt he may have broke through the barriers and started here. He may have played well enough and gotten better enough to get a shot at the NFL. Nope instead he had to go to Ohio State and get lost in the shuffle.

    I truly understand that a kid with ability will get a shot to prove he can play at big time college level. He must take full advantage of this shot. And not get beat by the lesser players while playing against smaller comp! Hey just my opinion, though.

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    1. I agree with your posts...
      especially the one when both are similar... you take the one that is faster.
      The speed of the game at college... especially BCS... and HS 4A is faster than A.
      That said, in my opinion, in looking a A athletes... measurables have to have more weight... ie. speed.
      Clement at 11.79... white kids out of Hopewell are faster.. lol
      Clement got all his offers before anyone knew his track times... and he has no combine numbers from my search. So, on film, he may look fast because everyone around him is slow, slow, slow.

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    2. You're flat out wrong. Running backs don't have to be speed demons. He's plenty fast enough when you combine his quickness, strength, and vision. Who had the better career at Florida- Emmitt Smith or Chris Rainey? Rainey's lightning speed didn't make up for the actual running back skills of Smith. Clement has good speed, great quickness and vision, and is strong and tough. Everybody who knows the kid, including college assistants, tells me the same things.

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    3. Yes, Emmitt Smith had slow 40 (4.7-4.8ish).. but he played at Florida... SEC...
      What if he played at Toledo with that 40... do you think he would have gotten drafted at all!! I doubt it. He demonstrated he can play with the big boys in SEC... and he probably had a great OL.

      Clement has 2 knocks against him... he is slow (my opinion based upon 11.79) and plays powderpuff A ball in South NJ...

      Again, I would take Zaire Williams over Clement...

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    4. Joe, I don't think you answered the question....which player had the better career, slow Emmitt Smith or speedy Chris Rainey? Both were playing with the big boys and both probably had a great OL. And remember, according to your many posts, speed trumps all other skills.

      MC

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    5. Rainey was not JUST a RB...
      he was used in multiple positions...
      but Smith clearly had the better stats..

      http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=3577

      http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=3577

      but we are talking about out of HS....

      Rainey is a "Slash" type player... I would not select him as primary RB for college or pro team.

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    6. Lets not forget that Emmitt was not a a guy that people were projecting to be something. I mean he was the Gatorade offensive players of the year in high school for crying out loud. He didnt sneak up on anybody. JoeD is only saying if two guys are close on everything then give him the guy that played with better teammates and proved it against better comp. I really don't think that is asking much.

      To compare Emmitt to Rainey is not comparing apples to apples and you all know it. They are different runny backs. I know I get it a running back does not have to be super fast but some speed would be great. Eddie George anyone? Great back but once his speed was gone he was mush.

      BTW the best running back I ever seen was a single A player by the name of Essex Law. Could make a good argument that he was best running back in WPIAL ever! I'm from Quip and have seen some good ones.

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    7. Umm, hello, Corey Clement and Zaire Williams are different running backs, too. Bottom line, people who have proved that they know who the best players are, i.e. the college coaches of the top programs, have thrown their hat in the ring more for Clement than Williams. Does that mean that Clement will be better than Williams in college? Hell no. Williams could be a star and Clement could be a bust, but to put down Clement as a prospect because he played as a smaller school is ludicrous, and the actual facts prove that. Of course the minute Williams chose Pitt and Clement didn't, something tells me that Joe D will change his mind.

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    8. auggie from latrobeJune 4, 2012 at 11:33 PM

      Quipscript: I remember the name Essex Law. Where and when did he go to college, and how did he do?

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    9. Auggie, I hate to say it but he was seriously dumber than a stump. Also, found it to be a better life hitting the streets. I am not even sure he ever went to college. He was 6'2(on the bigger side of that) and 210 lbs in high school. He was a track star as well. Could flat out fly and run over everybody. Sad, sad story. His sons both played at Central Valley last year. They were ok but they were not like their dad! He graduated from rochester in 1993.

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    10. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=20050811&id=XYdIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DXEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2997,480434

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    11. Thanx for that! I see him all the time at Central Valley games. He's still intimidating! hahaha

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  39. That is like a quarterback coming from Miami University being drafted 11th who had not played quarterback until his senior year in high school and played 3 years in a MAC school against sub par competition. Even though he put up gaudy numbers it was not the Big Ten.

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  40. Top running back recruit in the nation anyone?

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    1. What do you mean by this

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    2. I'm not making a big deal about Derrick Green just yet because there's still a long way to go, but it would be a huge get, needless to say. Of course he would have to be a running back instead of a much more needed QB. Just Pitt's luck. But if Green chooses elsewhere, at least Pitt has Rushel Shell who is at the same level.

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    3. Yea, as ive mentioned he plans on visiting but hes got a damn impressive offer list and isnt from the area, so its a long shot i guess but at least hes interested. Pitt needs probably one good back and it seems like a lot of their targets are interested, ie clement, williams. Thatll be great but chris makes a great point that qb is a position of greater need.

      Chris, what are you hearing about tim boyle?

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  41. According to Derrick Green rivals profile..
    He is 4.37 in 40... I assume that is verified combine.

    Maybe his speed has something to do with being #1...
    don't cha think!!

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    1. A lot of things has to do with Green being ranked so high. Speed alone wouldn't do it. He's special at many facets.

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    2. Keep in mind Joey is from NJ. If you simply assume he's drank half of a pitcher of Ron Ron juice, his comments make perfect sense.

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    3. Hes 220 and running that speed. I watched his youtube tape and hes physically a man amongst boys. If you watch his tape joe id say his biggest tool is power.

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  42. Chris, have you heard anything about where pitt stands with tim boyle.

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    1. He committed to Boston College

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    2. Told you so...
      Remember... I said UConn, BC, Syracuse... and my bet was BC...

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    3. Wow, you really went out on a limb there Joe. Kid from CT goes to a school in the Northeast. Good Call!

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    4. Look at the post of May 15 on this site when Boyle was offered by Pitt..

      I was blasted by all to say that... including Chris Dokish. I said it was a waste of time to even make a call to him... etc.

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    5. Saying that offering a QB from the New England is a waste of time is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen you write. And that's saying something. What do you want them to do- offer only WPIAL quarterbacks? Oh no, wait, you have a problem with that, too. Maybe only offer kids from Guam. Nobody disagreed with you that the kid could end up in the NE region. All anybody was disagreeing with is that it was a waste of time. You have to offer kids from somewhere and Connecticut isn't that far away. Makes perfect sense to me.

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    6. This is what I wrote...
      I think Pitt should focus on PA, OH, NJ, MD, VA, FL.. those are the states they have a reasonable shot at landing recruits in my opinion..
      Focus, focus, focus... lets say they spend 20 hrs on the CT QB... that is 20 hrs they could have spent on Chapman... just sayin.

      Joe DMay 16, 2012 9:22 AM
      RKR,
      I think you missed my point...
      Point is...
      1. Boyle not worth pursuing... wasting time that can be better spent landing athletes you have a better chance in landing.
      2. Many other QB's out there with better stats, etc that are more worthy of an offer over Boyle. I'm not talking 4star Elite 11 types... I'm talking 2nd tier backup types.

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      Chris DokishMay 16, 2012 9:25 AM
      To say Boyle is not worth pursuing is ridiculous and saying they can't get him over Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, and UMass is even more ridiculous.

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    7. You've got to be kidding. So getting a New England QB away from New England is not reasonable but getting a kid out of Ohio and Florida is? That makes no sense!! Why would a QB from Ohio or Florida be any easier to get?

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    8. Btw joe, theres more than one coach recruiting... If one coach was recruiting boyle all yesterday that doesnt mean another coach wasnt recruiting chapman all yesterday as well.

      I am curious as to who else chryst offers at the position now.

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    9. Reason NOT to recruit New England..
      1. HS football from CT north is terrible. Not many BCS D1 HS players come out of New England states.
      2. Florida is loaded with talent and can't all stay in the state of Florida therefore look out of state. Pitt has had success recruiting Florida.
      3. Pitt has had great success recruiting Ohio... less than 200 miles... CT is 500 miles.. Boston 600 miles?
      4. Pitt has had no success recruiting CT or MA that I know of... I can't name a recruit in the last 10 years.

      The point being... recruiting is like sales/marketing... focused effort will close the deal. Spread tooo thin... chances of closing the deal are slim to none. I'm not saying put all your eggs in one basket either.

      PK... Pitt has some 130 offers out.... many accepted to other colleges so I don't know who remains. You can check it on rivals.

      All I can say.... is I called it on this kid... saying BC is probably #1 and UConn #2... and Pitt was Johnny come lately with the offer!! Waste of time.

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    10. I refuse to believe you're real. If you are then they need to do a study on you.

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  43. Well you never know, Chryst could land Foster, Boyd, Johnson, and Green and come up with a monster class that shuts everyone up haha

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    1. Green...
      I now understand why his ranking is allll over the place by the different scouting services.
      He use to weigh 265... lost 50 lbs...
      as a frosh, he was chubby 5'8" at 220# and doing 5.0 in 40. His HS coach wanted him to lose weight after soph season to convert him to RB...
      So, it will be interesting to see what happens to him in college... he is a gymrat.. his bench, squat, are big numbers...
      If he can't keep weight for RB... he can always be converted to LB!! Currently 6'0", 220#.

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    2. If hes running a 4.37 at 220 his forty would be in the 4.4 until he got to about 245. Id still take that at rb all day. If what you say is true, joe, then hes one of those rare athletes thats athletic no matter how bad his physical condition is. I know a kid like that, the last time we played ball he was 5'6" and pushin 260, he could easily grab rim and was the fastest kid my age ive ever seen. If pitt were to land green thatd be the biggest recruiting shocker of the year without question

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    3. Found the article PK..

      http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7923008/derrick-green-weight-loss-improves-recruiting-stock

      Don't get excited... I highly doubt he will end up at Pitt... but clearly he is looking SEC and ACC.

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    4. Oh trust me, im delusional enough to think pitt has a great shot at him. I do enjoy that he has at least some interest in pitt. Btw, corey clement is visiting notre dame and pitt soon, so well see how that goes

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    5. *not delusional enough

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  44. PK,
    According to rivals...
    5 offers have been made to QB's...
    4 have accepted elsewhere...
    the only one outstanding is Chapman!!

    Chryst can't close the deal... so much for his ability to recruit QB's... he is O for 4.
    That said, I don't expect Chryst to recruit a 4 star, Elite 11 type for 2013... but a servicable backup is needed.

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    1. He's 0 for 3, and that includes Rawlins who probably won't even be a QB. He missed on Boyle and Zaire, even though Zaire is from Ohio, a place you think it's so easy to recruit from.

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    2. Pitt is still the fav for chapman, who is 4 stars but im sure youll find a reason for why hes not good enough.

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    3. Rivals lists Meeks of Florida was offered and picked Cincy.. he is the 4th.
      Rawlins is listed as QB... and I agree.. he will never sniff the field as QB...

      I think Chapman would be a good get...
      but I think he is waiting to see what happens with Voytik and other QB's... The longer Chapman waits to declare, the better Pitt chances are. my opinion.
      I'd say 50/50 right now.

      My surprise... why hasn't Johnson committed yet... to Pitt that is. I'm sure after the June camps... more offers will be made... more oommittments will be made..

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    4. Chris...
      How many players are on Pitt's roster are from Ohio...
      How many are from CT + MA + NH + RI + VT + ME? Zero!

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    5. Joe, johnson recently cancelled his visit to psu and has said hell make his decision this month so that leads my to believe hes pretty close.

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    6. Because there are more prospects from OH than New England obviously.

      And Pitt was recruiting Meeks as a linebacker.

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  45. longsufferingpittfanJune 7, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    Chris,

    Do you know if Tom Savage enrolled at Pitt for the summer? That was the last rumor. Thanks.

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    1. Thats what i heard. Plus hes a walkon so i dont think he needs to sit a year

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    2. Is Savage at Pitt??
      Didn't know he finalized...
      Regarding sitting a year... I don't think that has been determined yet. I don't know if being a non-scholarship determines sit or no-sit... but is interesting twist.
      If Savage is going to Pitt... then not a big deal if Pitt doesn't get a QB in 2013 class... I forgot about the Savage saga..

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    3. I couldnt disagree more with that last part. Pitt needs 2 qbs in this class. If pitt can only land chapman thats acceptable if savage is available this year.

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    4. If Pitt lands 1 quality QB per year... that is a good thing.
      4-QB's on roster is all they need.
      Next year..
      Voytik, Meyer, Anderson?, Savage? if they don't land a recruit may be problematic.

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    5. None of those four can be considered a quality QB yet, and it's doubtful that Myers and Anderson ever will be. So they definitely need to add some QB talent. Since Kincade is coming in two years (he's no sure thing as a talent either) then I can get by with just one quality QB in this class, but they definitely need one, and with Chryst's reputation there's no reason not to get at least one. If he doesn't land one then he failed.

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