Thursday, June 28, 2012

Panthers land Ohio offensive lineman

Paul Chryst gets his second offensive lineman commitment as 6'5" 300 pound Ohio lineman Carson Baker verbally committed to the program.  His other reported offers were Toledo, Ohio, and Buffalo.

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  1. Doesnt seem highly recruited, but the more OL the better as far as I am concerned. It seems to be the position (outside of the very top tier) that is the hardest to project.

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  2. Just gonna have to accept what is left out there I guess

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  3. he went to the pitt camp so the coaches must of liked him. I feel like if he gets offered by wisconsin he is gone. He went to there camp too

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  4. Ok, before the naysayers blather about his mac offers, chryst has produced countless all-american and nfl OL.

    Would i like to see higher rated commits? Yea.
    According to rivals except clement, pitt has 12 commits: 2 four star, 5 three star, 3 two star, 2 unrated. Im saying jarrett is 3 stars because thats what he was last year

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    1. It's yet to be determined if Chryst can continue to have excellence with offensive linemen. Bob Bostad was the main reason for that and he's not here.

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    2. Rudolph and heuber have had success too. Not to bostads level but they know what theyre looking for

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    3. We shall see if Bostad was the true genius in developing the offensive line while at Wisconsin.

      Again, the coaching staff at Wisconsin had that knack for developing offensive lineman, was it Bostad? was it Chryst and Bostad ? or a group effort regarding the offensive coaching staff ? We shall see.

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    4. That is the correct stance. I don't want people automatically assuming that Chryst can turn lightly recruited OL into NFL players. It's not that easy. It may happen, yes, but we don't know yet.

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    5. Thats why they play the games.

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  5. Quite the offer sheet. Chryst knocks it out of the park again.

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    1. What are the other options out there that will come to Pitt? When was the last time pitt produce solid NFL offense line. We might have a handful if that. But last ime I check we weren't hitting it out of the ball park before chryst got here. At his point, we have to hope PC and staff can coach these kids up. I am just glad we have a mulligan this year in regard to conference to get ayear under our belt with this staff and hope recruiting will pick up when they see what this staff can do.

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    2. Yea !!!----- But, the park is a little league field and not where the "Big Dogs" play !!

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  6. @Pittikrit, come on man, these are the kinds of linemen Wisconsin recruited, landed, developed and turned into monsters.....look at the offer sheets of past Badger linemen and they fit the profile of Baker, Reese, et. all.....

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    1. Dont argue. Some people cant be reasoned with

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  7. ANOTHER MAC recruit... for OL to boot... a position of need whereby a highly rated recruit could be a starter as a sophmore...

    smh...

    although, finally some good news with Chapman... good backup or alternative to Voytik. Clearly will be red-shirt as frosh since Voytik and Savage will be 1 and 2.

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  8. Heard he runs track though

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    1. If you recall... I said, I heard OL/DL players say... going out for T&F.. doing shot and discus helps their footwook..

      And Carson Baker did throws for his HS..
      So, give him an extra star for that... lol

      41' for his size is not that far... but his history shows improvement...
      http://oh.milesplit.com/athletes/1371752-carson-baker

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  9. What about the linemen who we turned down due to only being 6'3? Is it possible we get them later or did Chryst blow it?

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  10. This is pathetic. I cannot wait until Zeff's team plays the Panther's at Heinz and he starts serving pancakes like a waitress at the IHOP.

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    1. Have you ever coached d1? NO. Have you ever played d1? NO. Have you ever recruited for a d1 school? NO. Do you work for a scouting service? NO.... So, what exactly are your qualifications to determine who the staff should offer?

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    2. pk,
      anyone who follows college football closely knows what it takes to win...
      my opinion...
      2/3 is landing top players... translation.. highly rated.
      1/3 is coaching.

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    3. And by top players, you mean really good track athletes. Let's be clear. If they can't run a decent 100 time, you simply can't coach those kids up.

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    4. crimhead,
      for skill players... wr, db, rb, etc...
      absolutely... it's all about the speed!!!
      If someone had speed... they would show it off on the track... but also use the track to improve their speed.
      Track (most invitationals) uses electronic timing... so I like to see track results... I will also look at combine results..
      I don't look at what someone posts on rivals or handtimes.

      To quote Wanny at WVU game... how to get back in the game...

      "Run Faster"... lol

      There is "only" so much "coaching up" one can do... so for all you saying.. oh, chryst will coach them up.. good luck with that.
      Clearly Chyrst is enamored with height... regardless of the position.

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  11. "Chryst has produced countless......NFL OL" I counted them. According to ESPN Wisconsin does have 7 OL in the NFL now. Pitt has 6.

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    1. So what, i embellished a bit lol but a ton of all americans

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    2. hahah Least your honest pk!! You gave me a chuckle after working all day!!

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  12. Damn, chapman turned down Kent St. where his father coaches. he doesn't want to play for his father. Way different than Chryst's nephew. and don't give me, well it's only Kent St. we're only Pitt averaging 7 wins a year over the last 8 years. And Ziegler played for his dad at Central Mich.

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  13. Some of you guys are true a-holes. This is probably one of the best days of this kid's life. He comes on Pitt blogs and message boards and sees people trashing him. Give him a chance. Have faith in our coaches. If you want to judge these pickups, judge them after these kids get to see the field and prove themselves.

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  14. Best comment so far "Anonymous" at 8:21 p.m. Welcome to Pitt Carson. I hope you show us all that the star system ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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  15. I like the verbals this year. Not many under 6' tall, which is a good sign.I also don't mind the Chryst nephew going to Purdue. Pitt has better talent than Purdue and the nephew may not have sniffed the field here. As an uncle, it is great advice. Go where you know you will play.

    That is one of the reasons I question Kugler and Johnson decisions, but more Kugler. There are 11 or 12 linemen that matriculated or will matriculate to Michigan that will be RS Freshmen, Freshmen or new recruits next year. That could lead to not seeing the field in games, or good reps in practice. Those are the numbers. Same with Johnson at PSU. Twelve offensive line recruits from this class and the last two. They will promise the world to get them in, but they get caught in the numbers games at times and become "collateral damage". That's a lot of offensive linemen to pass.

    You go get some more troops Paul Chryst. The size improvement alone is awesome! Hogs rule!

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    1. Have to agree Huff, that's why Ricketts is now at Pitt. I know everyone likes to hyperventilate over recruiting, but honestly I trust PC more in this area than I have the last two coaches. Fraud was looking for players to fit his gimmick system, which you're not going to find many of those in Pitt's main recruiting area, and Wanny looked at kids the same way he did 20 years ago when recruiting for Jimmy Johnson.

      These kids are only 17-18 years old when they're making these decisions, and are swayed very easily by things that once they enter a program like Michigan or PSU they get smacked in head by reality very quickly. I'm not saying that is the case with Kugler or Johnson, but realistically, I wouldn't be surprised at all if neither finished their college careers at the schools they've chosen as a 17-18 year old.

      In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if both ended up back at Pitt.

      Mike W.

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  16. Welcome to the blue and gold Carson Baker. We're glad to have you.

    Make sure you get plenty of good lifting in on your own time because our S&C coach is just going to have you do deep stretching and zumba.

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  17. How many ships does Pitt have left? Are we going after a full 25 this year. Need some bodies on the defensive side especially in the Front 7.

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    1. Nobody knows, even the coaches. It depends on many factors.

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  18. Welcome to Pitt, Carson. We're glad to have you.

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  19. Seems somebody besides Chryst thinks this kid has a future.

    “He’s (Carson Baker) the best lineman I’ve ever coached,” said Fairborn coach Roy Thobe, who has been a high school coach in Ohio for 25 years.

    “And I’ve sent players to the Big Ten and Mid-American Conference.”

    By the way, last year the MAC had 13 O-Linemen playing in the NFL, just one short of the Big East.

    The Big Ten had 48.

    PittofDreams

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    1. That's a good point. When it comes to big uglies, there are plenty of midwestern kids that turn into pretty good players. Not saying I wouldn't rather have Johnson, but show me a big kid with some decent feet and 3 or 4 years from now they could turn into something pretty darn good.

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    2. So what...
      how many out of fairborn became starters in Big10?
      how many out of fairborn made it to nfl? (none I'm aware of).
      Chryst is enamored by size, regardless of position.. i can see the trend of who he offers. This kid has the size for OL... don't know if he will ever become a starter. Enough with the coach em up... you can't have an entire recruiting class consist of "coach em up" players and hope for the best!!! Some just don't have what it takes to compete in BCS.

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    3. joe, u r such a weinerhead...

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    4. You're right...Because if you look at Wiscy's recruiting classes they have lagged behind Pitt's over the past 4 years....Those deadbeat Badgers only took their mediocre recruiting classes all the way to the Rose Bowl...shame on them

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  20. If he can pull he's a guard. His tape showed he's got some movement. Imagine 6'5 320 pound guard with ricketts, reese, biz, and hopefully some other big OL. We are all disappointed with the loss of Johnson, we should have had him. However, the players we did get there is really no issue in mind, damn the rankings. It's the people that got away that are causing the issue.

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  21. I think what some people on this blog and maybe even chris are frustrated about is that someone with that offer sheet doesn't need to have pitt be all over them in June. With those offers he will still choose pitt most of the time later in the year. Focus now on the best players.

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    1. Totally Agree! ! !

      Lets go with quality not quantity this early in the game.

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  22. If you go to youtube and look up the linemen by name...Johnson doesn't impress except he can move. Baker pancakes but can't move. Kugler is a stud. Reese looked pretty good.

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  23. Chris,
    Is it pretty safe to say right now PSU is kicking our ass in the recruiting game. There's no doubt I would trade our class for there's even if Foster signs with PITT.

    What is Bradley selling over there, that Chryst is not?

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    1. O'Brien is selling his NFL connections. A big time football program that packs in 100k each week. Better bowl line-ups including the grand daddy of them all. A better conference. And, has all the recruits drink the Nitter Kool Aid made by the cult in Creepy Valley.

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    2. The NFL stuff is bs. If the kid is good enough, scouts will find him.

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  24. A little factoid....

    Carson Baker didn't even make all-conference as a Junior!!!
    About 18 teams in conference.
    Hardly BCS quality.

    http://www.gwocsports.com/statsPage.aspx?satc=348&year=2011&div=-1

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    1. Another factoid:

      Only one Jr made the first team. Here is the rundown:

      -Lovell Peterson (Jr) #6 center, two top schools are Alabama and Ohio State

      -Jacob Bennett (Sr) Committed to Bowling Green

      -Taylor Decker (Sr) **** Committed to Ohio St

      -Benny McGowan (Sr) Committed to Mich St

      -Zach Myers (Sr) Committed to Kentucky

      -Ethan Hargrove (Sr) From what I can tell, uncommitted with main schools being Wisconsin, Duke, and Indiana

      Not bad company...maybe by his senior year he will have improved to a level better than these older guys.

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    2. just jump joe and get it over with...

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    3. Anonymous..
      There is no 1st team or 2nd team...
      maybe he will make as senior and maybe he won't.
      Bam Bradley made it as jr and sr.

      and if Carson were as good as his coach says he is... he would be all-conference as a junior!! Obviously he is not. That is my primary point!!

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    4. Could have swore I saw it somewhere that he was on a second team, in any case Even Lisle (**** OT commited to Ohio St and ranked higher than Dorian Johnson according to Scout (7th vs 13th)) didn't make first team either. Thank God we didn't offer him.

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    5. FWIF...according to the Dayton Daily News, Baker was selected to the South all-division first team.

      Honestly Joe, just because there were a half dozen stud linemen ahead the kid hardly disqualifies him from playing D1 football.

      MC

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    6. MC....
      South All-division... is ONLY 6 teams!!! So WHAT!!!
      Geesh!
      smh

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  25. O-Line is like olympic weightlifting or other sports requiring technique. Build a strong foundation of blocking techniques along with quicker feet off the ball and you can make a star out of any big guy with the physical assets. Easier said than done but in a lot of cases it's about the guys work ethic.

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    1. I think that goes along with any position...
      work ethic!!!

      and if they are not doing it in HS... what makes anyone think they will do it in college. Past behavior is predictor of future behavior.

      I like guys that put the work in..
      voytik, etc

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    2. Big bulky awkward teens generally take time to develop. Fat is often replaced with more muscle or more muscle + fat :)
      Speed and agility can improve, diet can improve, competent coaching and technique can improve. Each position is unique (i.e., Mike Wallace can simply line up and fly deep; much different that what an o-lineman must do.......... it's a tougher position which is why they are at a premium.)

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  26. Can you explain why kids continue to choose psu? The scandal hasn't hurt recruiting one bit.

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    1. The scandal will have very little effect on these kids over the entirety of their football career. PSU has built a lot of cache of the years, and despite this scandal, remain a more stable choice than others like, let's say Pitt. PSU already cleaned house for the first time in DECADES...Pitt seemingly has been doing it every couple of months. From their point of view there is a legit question as to who and what will be at Pitt over the next 4-5 years.

      Add that in with a new HC with heavy NFL connections and there you have it.

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    2. Because 365 days of scandal can't overshadow 100 years (or....10 decades) of winning.
      America is a forgiving culture.

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    3. What elite recruit wants to play in front of 30k empty yellow seats and seldom play on national TV for a program that has been irrelevant for the past 30 years.

      As a parent, I wouldn't want my child going to Pedo State, but kids are looking past the scandal.

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    4. You mean like Vanderbilt which currently has the No. 16 class in the country?

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  27. PSU did not clean house. They still have Larry Johnson if I recall. Pitt may have erred by not going after Tom Bradley, but that is thinking in hindsight. Many thought that he too would be connected to the scandal in some manner. May be a good add-on in the coming years as would Teryl Austin. Those two are ace recruiters.

    As far as all the hogwash Jody is tossing around, some kids perform really well as 18 year olds and don't go to the next level and get lost in mediocrity. Some kids aren't human highlight films at 18, but dominate at 21 or 22 years of age. Again, this is why Coach Chryst is the Head Coach. Evaluating talent at this level is more of an art, not a science. Joe leans to the science (measurables). Coach Chryst leans to the art. I too go with the art.

    As far as offering kids who don't have the measurables or offers that others have, I have no problem with the offers at all. I would rather offer a kid who has shown me skills and wants to be at Pitt now, versus waiting and hoping noone else finds the prospect and offers. Only the elite kids somehow afford to make all these unofficial trips to schools that aren't geographically close in proximity. The kids that don't necessarily have the resources, stay local and that is where you find some diamonds. That said, you can also find some duds. Realistically, if you pull four to five starters out of each class, that works well. Let the coaches coach em up! As an example, Jon Baldwin was not coached up. He had skills, but was never coached up. He didn't play the game with passion, ala Fitz or Hines. Those guys brought it every down. JB did not, although I was glad to have him. So yes, you can coach mediocre into great. Ask Hines Ward.

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    1. Still with Tom Bradley? You guys have to stop with that obsession. There's a reason why nobody will touch Bradley with a ten foot pole.

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    2. the reason in he was in a shower stall next to Sandusky and one of the victims. He stayed there until Sandusky got out of the shower. That's according to one of the victims. You can see the testimony here

      http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_alleged_v.html

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  28. For the guy who keeps asking about Sam Zeff, he just committed to UMass.

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  29. Brandon Lindsey got hurt at Revis Celebrity BB game... came down hard on his shoulder trying to block a layup. He ran off the court into hallway so nobody would see... he was carted off to hospital.

    Got cut from Steelers due to injury... needs surgery...

    Sorry to see that happen... he is probably saying to himself he should not have played... or should have never gone to block the shot.
    It was a hard fought game... not those usual celebrity games.
    Score was like 103-101. 40 min game.

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  30. Chris do you have a breakdown of who was the primary recruiter for the new Pitt recruits?

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    1. It's been more of a practice these days for multiple coaches on a staff to recruit a kid so that if his sole recruiter leaves, they won't lose the kid.

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  31. Anyone notice how PG and the Trib not reporting on PSU emails today??

    I said long ago... the pittsburgh reporters who are around PSU all the time.... knew... but didn't pursue the story. If it weren't for Sara Ganim and the national media... we would have never known.

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    1. A year before the scandal was made public, I informed a Pittsburgh media member about it so that he could look into it. I'm guessing he never did. But I wasn't going to touch it because at the time it was only hearsay and I didn't want to get sued. So I can say for a fact that I knew about it long before it became public, so I'm guessing others had to have heard about it, too. But nobody reported it.

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    2. I blasted Micco regarding lack of reporting on Sandusky... even took it to the editor...
      as if the PSU beat reporters didn't know... yeh right.
      Smizik doesn't consider it a sports story... lol

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    3. Penn State has created a very powerful culture that protects the program at all costs. Paterno and Sandusky are gone but the culture still is in place.

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    4. That's what I've said many times. Things aren't going to change there ebcause football is too big there. It's way too important. It's their identity. That's why they are in such denial there. Penn State football is how they define themselves and without it, they feel incomplete. That's why they fight so hard to deny everything.

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    5. So,
      what is PG and Trib excuse for not investigating the story since 1998.... for not doing anything on the Sandusky thing until after the national media got into it.
      In my opinion.. PG and Trib are PSU enablers...

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  32. PSU will suffer because if the NCAA gets involved, most likely now that pervasive lack of institutional control is becoming more apparent, PSU and the football program are going to get hammered. Post season ban, losing scholarships, lawsuits, etc. Maybe Dorian Johnson and others start rethinking their desire to play at Beaver Stadium knowing they'll never see a bowl game.

    On your point about the Pittsburgh papers, they are awful when it comes to covering non-pro sports, or really any sport besides the Steelers and Pens. No mention of the emails, Collier writes an article about the administration yesterday and absolutely fails to mention the fact that Joe Paterno is cited in the email as having full knowledge of what was transpiring in 2001 if not earlier.

    In addition, I now call OKC home and I am amazed that every single day regardless of the time of year, there are 7 articles in the sports section of the Daily Oklahoman about OU and another 5-7 about OSU and then several about the smaller colleges. I read the Pittsburgh papers online every morning and see that Pitt fans are lucky to an article a week from the knuckleheads covering college sports. As a Pitt alum, it's embarrassing.

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  33. For the guy who asked about the recruiting coordinator, I wasn't ignoring you. It's just that I get a lot of questions spread out over various posts and sometimes things get lost in the shuffle. In fact, I'm posting it here because I can't even remember where you last asked it. But I assume you'll find it.

    As for your question, as far as I know, Pitt hasn't named a recruiting coordinator. Bob Junko and Chris LaSala handle a lot of that stuff, and they are excellent at it. They know the local kids long before the kids can be offered. So, to be honest, a new staff, really has no excuse when it comes to local recruits. Junko and LaSala already know who is out there and who is worthy, especially locally.

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    1. Isn't Rudolph the Recruiting Coordinator?

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    2. He was at Wisconsin. I don't know if he was ever given that title officially at Pitt.

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    3. Hope the hell not if he loses Johnson to Penn St. - My God, still cannot for the life of me figure that out.

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  34. Alex Anzalone just visited PSU. He won't even consider Pitt, this is a bad trend.

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    1. If u were from central pa and had his offer list, would u consider pitt?

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    2. He is not from Central pa. He lives 2.5 hours from State College and 4 hours to Pittsburgh. He lives in my area.

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    3. Sure as hell a better chance with a kid like him than someone from Georgia

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    4. Eastern pa, then. Further helps my argument

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  35. I took a look at Pitt Offer list on Rivals...
    150 offers made...
    about 75 committed so far...

    Remaining 75 are slim pickings... doesn't look good.

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  36. You forgot the 20 or so who don't know they have a scholarship offer

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    1. LMAO... i forgot to count those..

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  37. Curley writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."

    This was an email that CNN is reporting. If true, than there is a good chance there is some proof that Joe knew of the cover-up. Also. many people knew. There is a good chance there is going to be more trouble down the road. I never had an issue with Joe, thought he was a good man. I think he made a bad choice that he could not fix after they already did it. Always makes u wonder how high up people in powerful places, who u believe to be inteligent, qualified high educated people can make choices that are so so bad.

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  38. If recent reports that Joe Paterno and Penn State worked together to cover up what they knew of Jerry Sandusky’s shower activities with young boys are true, sports law experts who spoke with The Patriot-News Saturday afternoon say there is merit for the Penn State football program to receive the death penalty.

    This from a SOURCE AT ncaa

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    1. They knew about 1998...
      that is why they forced Sandusky to "retire" at what.. 55.
      Basically they permitted Sandusky to commit crimes on campus... that is worse than what SMU did.
      However, I doubt they will get the death penalty... but don't expect any bowl games for 3-5 years.

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  39. Maybe Pitt is not dome yet with some guys already commited.

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  40. Here is a question...
    With the recent reports of PSU coverup and potential NCAA coming down with sanctions...
    Should Chryst and crew pursue PSU commits activily.
    I say Yes...

    But keep in mind.... when Chryst and crew were in WI, there was a gentlemens agreement among B10 coaches, to cease pursuing athletes once they committ. That was pre-Meyers at OSU!

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    1. It's too early for that right now. Those PSU recruits are still rallying around the program. If things continue to get worse, and God knows what it will take at this point to make kids reconsider Penn State, Pitt will definitely pursue some of them.

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    2. Tossing ThabeetsJuly 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM

      It's going to take harsh punishment from the NCAA and ONLY that. Sports fans have a long history of separating real news from the sport/athlete itself. The most recent, pertinent example is the Steelers with Big Ben. Fans still root for "their" team to win regardless of who is at the helm. It's disgusting but true. The new staff can easily say that they've already cleaned house and everyone from that regime is gone (minus Larry Johnson who probably won't be there past this season now). ONLY the NCAA can stop this madness. The question is if they will and it's starting to look like public opinion (outside of State College) may force their hand. I suggest Pitt fans worry about Pitt football and not Penn State football until that day comes because PSU, like it or not, is the flagship college football program in PA. PItt gave them the keys to the state in the early 80's and have struggled to take them back ever since. This scandal and PSU's successful recruiting in it's wake just further illustrates that fact. I'm not saying Pitt can't recruit against PSU, I'm just saying that trying to use the scandal as a pro for Pitt may fall on deaf ears...until the NCAA decides to do something about it.

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    3. We got Holtz from PSU when the scandal broke - with all that has happened lately, I just don't get their success in recruiting.

      Not to beat a dead horse....I guess I will anyway but, losing Dorian Johnson to them with what has transpired was a shock.....especially with Rudolph from Belle Vernon.

      Just pathetic recruiting on Pitt's part imo.

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    4. Rudolph had nothing to do with losing Johnson to PSU, his mother wanted him there, that's why committed after the first visit. You can't lay that at Pitt's feet; unfortunately in recruiting, you have to win the parents as well as the kid, I doubt Rudolph saw this coming.

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  41. PSU is already playing the sinners are all gone, we cleared house and the new regime has no ties to the past, so leave us alone and don't punish us card. I do think Larry Johnson is there and I do think the culture of PSU is "too far gone" to ever accept any responsibility.

    The public relations firms are really selling the bad guys are gone to the recruits and getting rid of the old troublemakers, three dismissed already. If the recruits believe it, shame on them. That said, February is not yet here, so there may be some silver lining.

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  42. There appears to be enough evidence that Paterno and the football program were in charge of the university and not the other way around. Their coverup aided the monster in committing additional crimes. The NCAA must act on this lack of institutional control.

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  43. If there was ever a reason to give a school the death penalty this would have to be it. Coach, AD and President all knew and did nothing because of football was more important than doing the right thing. There has to be some morality rule. The program has to pay for it.

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  44. Do you really think the ncaa will come down on psu? If so, do you think it will happen this year and persuade recruits to go else where? Btw, would you send your child to psu to play fball now? I would have a hard time sending my child there now. I just don't get it

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    1. This is about as extreme as "lack of institutional control" gets, so i cant imagine the ncaa NOT coming down on psu. Death penalty? My fingers are crossed but i doubt it. You can look at it two ways. 1)the DP(laughs) was installed for repeat offenses with regards to violations and psu has never had sanctions before. 2) what happenned at psu was FAR worse than smu paying players so the repeat offenders rule should be thrown away. I think the minimum punishment here should be the death penalty. What will more likely happen is bowl bans and fewer scholarships. Id argue that doesnt really hurt. Look at usc-primed for a championship if they stay healthy

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    2. I hope they are limited to roster 75 ships for next 5 years... and 5 year ban from bowls.
      That may help Pitt in recruiting..
      not only will PSU have to be selective in who they recruit... but I can see them dropping players or forcing transfers if they don't cut the mustard... ala some sec teams.

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    3. I wouldn't send my kid to PSU regardless of the scandal, but some parents don't buy into that. Johnson is committed to PSU because that's where his mom wants him to go, she pulled the trigger on that, not him.

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  45. Alex anzalone has psu in his top 3. I truly dont understand how psu is doing it... What parent lets their kid go to psu will all of this...

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    1. I agree and don't understand it one bit. I've been telling people at work it's as though they're paying these kids!

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    2. He's going to commit to PSU this week.

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    3. PK,
      It's called sales and marketing..
      O'Brien gets it..
      Chryst doesn't..

      Just offer...
      it's not that difficult.. just give them the information to make a decision..

      yet at least 3 prospects didn't even know they had an offer from Pitt!!!
      C'mon man!!! Do you expect Anzalone to pick Pitt!!

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    4. No, chryst could be the best salesman in the world and players like snzslone and kugler still wouldve never considered pitt. If they have no interest, they have no interest. And those 3 players, btw, are committed to pitt. Find another excuse...

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    5. Disagree PK...
      Everything that has gone on thus far in recruiting is in-line with his first media conference... Chryst just doesn't get it when it comes to recruiting... said another way... need to be aggressive, etc.

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    6. His recruiting is right on par with grahams, at the worst and if foster picks pitt, a top end of foster, chapman, clement, and orndoff is very good.

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    7. Who said Graham was good at recruiting?
      The last 2 years were terrible (especially from the perspective of OL & DL players)... and tooo many smurfs.

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    8. But they were talented. His 2011 class he had two weeks to fill and 2012 was promising before he left. Chryst has been solid in recruiting. Not great but to say he doesnt get it is just wrong

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    9. Graham actually brought in some young players that could be very good in time.

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  46. Tossing ThabeetsJuly 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    I stated why about 10 posts above...severe NCAA penalties are the only way to break Penn State.

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  47. I don't think the NCAA is going to anything to PSU, I don't have any inside info or anything, I think PSU is going to buy its way out of all the civil matters and seal all of the records.

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  48. Tossing ThabeetsJuly 1, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    I tend to agree with you but public opinion may force their hand - that's my only hope. Penn State should be punished severely.

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  49. I honestly think psu will survive anything less than, say, 3/4 bowl bans and 10 less scholarships per year for 5 years. Even that may only derail them slightly. Theyre so established that it will take something major to make any difference at all

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  50. Tossing ThabeetsJuly 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    pk, short of the death penalty PSU will probably survive. As you said the fan base is rabid and Penn State roots are so established that the tradition will likely carry on. You know what, put them on a 10 year televised game ban - that may do some damage.

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  51. Pitt was never in the running for Anzalone and I for one am glad. I do think that PSU has raised the middle finger at the NCAA and stated we are penn state....and you are the lowly ncaa.

    The NCAA will shortly either take control back or let the psycho's run the asylum. You always get what's coming to you in this life, ask OJ. He kills a woman (and I saw the evidence that was witheld from the jury; talked to juice himself, and his counsel), and gets off, just to ge4t some good prison time for something that normally, he would have paid a sum of cash and moved on. PSU will get theirs from the NCAA or from players whose parents actually care about their kids and tell them "NO" to PSU in the future.

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  52. PSU recruits are signing on to the mystique left over from the four decades of Paterno.

    Don't get too excited. It's temporary.

    PittofDreams

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  53. I read the article of Boyd in Trib...
    You can scratch him off the list for Pitt...
    How did he get on a Northeast 7on7 team?? Where are they out of??
    I thought Gateway's Smith runs the Pittsburgh area premier 7on7 team that travels to tourneys.

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