Random thoughts on the Pitt football and basketball programs
I see Michigan on that list...Surprise PSU is not on the list...Surprise Tennessee not on the list...And I think Oregon and USC on the list because he wants an all-expense paid trip to west coast. So, in reality, he listed his Top 5.
But Joe D... I thought you were backing Sunseri to close the deal on this one...
I said, don't rule out Sal...but someone brought up... Dooley may be out after this year.... I wasn't aware of that... so I'm sure that went into the consideration.I think Michigan is going to sneak up on everyone on the list. But I think it's going to be a Big 10 school... hope Pitt can land him though...btw... any significance to the order he posted.. kind of cool how it did it with the logo's.here is the order as I interpreted...Alabama, Pitt, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Oregon, USC... same as how Chris listed them above.
This will be a colossal disappointment if Chryst fails to land him, no?
It means a lot to land him, for many reasons. If he can land Foster and Johnson then it will show a lot. If he loses both then it doesn't bode well for the future.
Colossal disappointment if they don't land Johnson...Foster is a reach..
Chris,Any sense of his timetable to announce?With any luck, it will be after a few games when Chryst finally realizes how badly our imcompetent ... err, incumbent starting QB performs in games -- especially late in games -- benches him for good, and Foster gets a look at ABT who will be throwing to him next year. And sees that Pitt doens't have a lifetime contract in Birmingham with the BBV whatever bowl.
He said he will announce at the under armour all american game.
Stop it with how "COLOSSAL" this is going to be if Foster ends up somewhere other than Pitt.Totally ridiculous to say such a thing.More accurate to portray the situation for what it really is... "Disappointing" if he doesn't come... "TERRIFIC NEWS" if he does!
If Pitt fails to land the top players in WPIAL then this regime is doomed. To think otherwise is naive.
Chris...You wrote "players..." in that case your statement is correct.But if you meant "player" as in Foster... then you really have got to gain some perspective.Chryst has put in place a long-term plan to rebuild the culture of Pitt football.The plan does not hinge on Foster... especially given the fact that he's a wideout and not the second coming of Dan Marino.
I did first write "Foster and Johnson". Not any one player is going to kill Pitt's future. But if they miss on all of them, then that's a different story. Like I said, I doubt very much that will happen. In fact, I would be very, very surprised if Johnson didn't go to Pitt. And I think there's a good chance that Foster, and maybe Boyd, will, too, when all is said and done.
If Chryst got 2 of 3... with 1 being Johnson..that would be a good day at the office.Johnson & boydJohnson & Fosterand I agree.. if they miss on all.. doom and gloom.. and I say that as I don't see anyone on the offer sheet to step in for them.if only 1.... very bad...
My two cents, for what its worth:I agree with Chris that Chryst needs to be able to land top players in WPIAL, but if that does not happen this year I'm not ready to pronounce the Chryst regime as doomed. If it goes to both 2013 AND 2014, then I'm a bit concerned. Having said that, he showed an ability to land a few good kids this past spring with very little time and I'm optimistic that he will get players who can help the team this coming call as well. With everything that has happened the past few years, if the team plays hard, smart and consistently, is coached well on game day and improves as the year goes on... well, thats a really good start to the Chryst era.
Although fundamentally opposed to agreeing with an "Anonymous", it would only be slightly disappointing if Pitt doesn't land these recruits. It comes down to how they feel. If they think Paul Chryst is going to resurrect the Pitt program and take them to the next level, the commitments should come from both.My thought is that Paul Chryst wins with or without them, but wins more with them! They have an opportunity to be local heroes if they are a part of the new Pitt. After a full practice year in his system this year, Pitt will be poised to take a big step forward beginning in 2013-14 when they join the ACC. Having your parents, family and friends so close and able to get to all your games on the east coast, while playing for a program that puts kids into the NFL, should be a strong enough allure to keep the local talent home.
Very naive thinking in my opinion...btw... no Pitt player drafted in 2012...albeit not Chryst fault...
Joe D - perhaps, but its more fun to be a little optimistic than skeptical. :)
Chris, there is no doom in college football recruiting. Look back at Andrew Johnson, a local WPIAL 5 star who got enamored by all the attention of the alleged "big schools". He flat out made the wrong choice to go to Miami. He got lost on the depth chart and had a nagging injury late in his career.Ask him publicly and he will tell the world that he made the right choice. Ask him privately and he wishes he would have stayed local and played at Pitt. The big programs offer kids a false sense of greatness and euphoria on the big stage. T. Clemons is another example. He should have gone to Pitt, but Michigan swooped in and grabbed him, offering the world. He toiled on the depth chart and left for Colorado. He ends up a 7th rounder for the Steelers because of his workouts, not because of his on field prowess at Colorado or Michigan. You get better prepared for the next level with reps and reps aren't guaranteed at places like Alabama. They are at Pitt.From a big picture perspective, does this cause Boyd to delay his school choice? All three to Pitt and you start looking at a local dream team. With Coach Chryst and his documented offensive successes and coaching up skills, all three would prosper. Nick Saban's passing game historically leaves a lot to be desired.
There is no guarantee those players you mentioned would have starred at Pitt or have gotten more reps. Some are just plain lazy when they get to college.I would hate to see a wpial all-star team.. been there.. done that... it's not pretty. However, I would like to see 5 of the top 10 wpial players go to Pitt.. after that... best player available.However, what it appears you are saying is that playing in the wpial does not prepare you for big time college football... going head to head against FL recruits.. forgetaboutit... So therefore, Pitt should minimize emphasis on wpial recruiting.
If Pitt can't get any of the four national recruits in their own backyard, then trust me, that's doom. And before anybody calls me negative, I've already said that I think they will get Foster and Johnson, and may get Boyd, too. So I think Chryst will get it done. But if he doesn't, then his tenure at Pitt will be in trouble right away. And believe me, the program will get a stink on it because the word will get around in recruiting circles that Pitt is no longer a factor.
Joe, you can try to manipulate statistics and call them facts. Factually, you are correct. However,several Pitt players left early so the prior year's draft took care of that. Pitt puts players in the league and will continue doing so. The last draft was an anomaly for Pitt. They had a very long streak of players getting drafted. Streaks end when players leave early. Are you sure you even like Pitt Joey? Have you ever gone to a WVU blog? They support their team and build them up ALL the time. I was in Clemson yesterday and listened to their sports talk show. They supported their team 100% of the time, even the discussion piece about the orange bowl blowout. The only call in the two hours I listened that was negative was a guy that reminded me of you. The funny part was that 30 seconds into the call, they asked the caller to do the clemson fight song and he spelled clemson...C L E M P S O N!! An imposter. That too, reminded me of you. Can you spell P I T T?I can actually picture you singing sweet caroline... as sweet carolina, when we play the tar heels, wolfpack and dukies.
History doesn't matter...For kids, it is... what have you done lately!!!Now, 2012 is fault is combo of Wanny and Graham!!Chryst will need to point to his WI graduating class.Some people are just plain naive..... and some feel the top wpial recruits that it is mandatory they go to Pitt... get real!!! Players will pick the best college that fits them and what they are looking to get out of it!!!
When it comes to the program's success on the field, no one can argue with you Joe. But to say "lately" the program hasn't gotten players into he NFL is a ridiculous statement. Let's take a look at some of the Pitt players in the NFL right now. Darrelle Revis - Some consider him to be the best at his positionLarry Fitzgerald - Arguably the best WR in the NFLLeSean McCoy - Top 5 RB in the NFLHenry Hynoski - Undrafted FA to starting FB on the World Champion NY GiantsAndy Lee - Best punter in terms of Gross Avg in 2012Jabaal Sheard - starting DE on the BrownsJeff Otah - One of the top OL in the NFLThere are more but I think this proves my point. Pitt can currently boast some of the best players at each of their positions in the NFL. It's very possible that a lot of recruits don't realize that all of these players went to Pitt and I think the athletic department would do itself a HUGE favor by getting this information out there a little bit more.
The kids have shorter term memory than that...2012... 0 Pitt grads drafted..2013... Ray Graham is the only possible draftee.Alabama 2012.. 8 total drafted... 4 in 1st round!!So, if your Foster... that has to be part of the consideration!!
Kids are smart enough to know that they if they're good enough, going to Pitt will get you in the NFL just as easily as Alabama. The only reason Alabama has had more drafted lately is because they have had better players. But it's not like the NFL won't find Foster in Pittsburgh.
It is a shame, but the reality is Pitt has the most negative fans in the country by far.Don't blame Coach Chryst if this year's recruiting is subpar, blame the fiasco that is Pitt fb in the past year or two, what with the coaching carousel.Negative support is no support.Go Pitt!
I'm always excited to watch Pitt football but you can't blame the fans for being negative. Over the last 30 years or so the program has been underachieving at best, while having moments of pure embarrassment.
Part of the reason is..the standard of excellence of the Steelers... year in and year out!!!Those are the same expectations of Pitt fans.
Finkle and Einhorn..Einhorn and Finkle-Gordo
Ohio State is the biggest threat to land Foster away from Pitt.The fact that Pitt has questions at the QB position doesn't help.
Not to plug another channel, but cbssports.com just listed the top 100 nfl players. Pitt has three in the top 32. Not too shabby.Joe, your memory is not so good either. Alabama went through a very tough stretch as well not too long ago (sub .500) in 2006 and one game over in 2007. That is not too long ago but goes to the point that teams are a player or three from getting good real fast.Alabama has records of 3-8, 4-7 and 4-9 in their last 15 years. Surprisingly, Pitt only had two years of four wins or worse over the same period. But, Alabama has won alot since Saban, so a coach makes a huge difference. I think Chryst is a difference maker offensively.Secondly, to compare Pitt to Alabama is not fair. In the SEC, they do not really have a drug policy. Some have been caught 5 times and still start. Also, they have easier entrance requirements where at least 64% of incoming freshmen athletes would not have been accepted and allowed to participate in athletics outside that conference. Now, if you lose these kids to a peer organization, that is different. So says me, that's who!
C'mon, you cant be saying thats why bama is at a higher level? If thats not what you meant, i apologize thats just how i read it.
LOL... entrance requirements...Pitt doesn't have any for the football or basketball team... the NCAA eligibility standard is what they use.. same as Alabama!!!You are clueless.
Joe you are incorrect.(a shock to many I know) but I know first hand as I worked at Pitt for 6 years and they held the athletes to higher standards albeit not what the standards are for regular admissions but higher none the less. Denied athletes were playing at other schools right away.
Todd Thomas... didn't meet NCAA minimum (GPA + SAT)...he went to prep school for 1 year..now starter at Pitt!! That is just one off the top of my head.The kid from Sto-Rox... that tweeted.. Geter? he didn't meet the NCAA minimum... albeit they pulled the offer... he HAD to go D2 (Slippery Rock).
Thanks for validating my point. They didn't get in and had to do more work to get in or go elsewhere!!!!!
jk..they didn't meet NCAA minimum.. which is the minimum for ALL D-1 schools!!I think 2.0 GPA and 880 on SAT.... if they had that... they would be at Pitt!!! Pitt doesn't have higher standards for football players!!
Joe Yes they do have higher standards as I worked there. I saw who was admitted and who wasn't and why so unless they stepped backwards which I doubt since their admissions standards are significantly higher now than ever before. This is not to say 1 or 2 athletes over the years have not got in but as a whole they had higher requirements. This is not about meeting the NCAA requirements and not getting in this is about student athletes who did actually qualify(NCAA) but were not offered admission to the University.
I don't know what it is now, but I know that after the Mike Gottfried and Paul Evans fiascos, Pitt did in fact have higher requirements than the NCAA. And while I don't know if they officially have higher standards now, I do know that Pitt takes a lot less academically risky kids than most programs.
Chris, chris peak tweeted that a 4 star lb was at the camp today but didnt say who. Do you know who it was?
Chris vs chris -Gordo
Pitts back in the mix for david williams. He planned a visit
Williams is real deal.. out of Philly.At Philly Nike Combine... he had 2nd highest SPARQ rating at 111... 24th highest in the country.40 - 4.44Shuttle - 4.28Vertical - 34.66'1/2", 183#He has offers out the wazoo... I would be shocked if Pitt in top 5.
Bama is much better under Saban but they struggled for many years before he got there, so that is cyclical. Programs go through that. So whose academic requirements are more stringent, Alabama vs. Duke? Alabama vs. Stanford? Alabama vs. Michigan? Alabama vs. Northwestern? Alabama vs. Cal Berkeley, Alabama vs. Boston College, Alabama vs. Wake Forest, Virginia, Georgia Tech and the list goes on. Alabama vs. Pitt? Same. There are minimum standards and the SEC typically goes to the low end of the standard, where Pitt and other institutions do not.The first paragraph was factual when comparing programs over a 15 year period. For the second part, I was really trying to get Joey off the negativity directed at PITT. He actually made a comment without downing Pitt, which is a first.
I read that johnson is visiting psu with his mom, grandma, and sister. I dont like it
If Rudolph can't land Johnson... from his hometown of Belle Vernon... then Rudolph should be fired!It's called close the deal already!!!This is why I said the rivals article on Chryst and crew recruiting tactics is scary!!!In my opinion, Johnson should be a gimme...
It would be baaad news, BUT... It hasnt happened yet.
It is a shame to have this very good website/blog being hijacked by Joe D. It is like your favorite radio station being constantly interrupted by static and interference, to the point where you don't want to even turn it on anymore. So, you wait a week or so and then turn it on again, and the same nuisance nonsense interference and static is still there.
It's not being hijacked - I don't agree with everything Joe D says but, most times I do.I'd rather read his replies than others who have their heads in the clouds.He's a Pitt fan like most of us anyway and, he's not thrilled with the recruiting progress of the Chryst regime thus far.Neither am I or Chris for that matter.His last one was right on - if we can't land Johnson who has:1) - friends on the team2) - tackle spot a definite need3) - Rudolph from Belle VernonThen, we have no shot at Foster.Further, if we CAN'T land those two from our back yard, why even offer kids from Florida or California.Foster, Johnson and Boyd are MUST gets - no excuses.
Thanks moody...but I'm ok with 2 of the 3... provided Johnson is one of them!!!2 of 3 would be a good day at the office... it would be 3 of top 7 of wpial..just read... Johnson narrowed down to Pitt and PSU..50-50...
Joe D a Pitt fan?! That's laughable. Joe D stating he is a Pitt fan will be the first time. So how about it Joe, you're a man of your convictions. Say you are a Pitt fan...my guess is that this post goes unanswered. -Gordo
gordo..yes, I'm a Pitt fan..doesn't mean I have to like everything that is going on... recruiting is the lifeblood of college football.. if you can't get top recruits in your backyard (wpial)... then they are not coming from Ohio or anywhere else.Sorry, but stats say... teams with the better athletes usually win. I like Chryst as a coach, but I don't think that is enough.
Thank you Joe, I needed to hear that from you. Listen, I know you're not enthused with Pitt's new coach (recruiting philosophy) call it what you will...yet it's not like the situation he is in is favorable. Can you cite a situation like this in the history of college football? Coach "resigns" players get new coach, coach gets arrested for domestic abuse, wait, players get new coach, new coach installs completely new systems, new coach bails on team, wait, new coach hired (Chryst). That's a lot of instability right there. Here's an analogy: Don't know if you fancy cars but it's like a Mercury Coupe '49 (under repair, but otherwise in great condition) ... and ... a '12 Lincoln Navigator (Suped to the max). Obviously the Coupe in working order is superior, yet what do kids want to drive in! The Coupe is working it's way up and is burnin' all entities considered. Nav looks slow..slow..slow. in comparison. It takes time! Recruiting results take time. Development of players take time. Winning football games take time...Gotta get that Coupe fixed up and rolling. It takes time, C'mon man. That's what Chryst is doing and fixing to correct. I understand the resistance to the casual approach, I do. I believe the importance of authentic connections, to families and coaches make the difference in the end. Grandparents and inquiring minds understand what it takes to make it in this world gracefully. I think people underestimate that sometimes. Character, teamwork, and development all happen at Pitt football! In fact, The University of Pittsburgh has a lot to offer in academics, athletics, world class facilities, vibrant culture n all at... It truly is a special city with a knack for evolving while keeping its Character. Furthermore, I think it was pk who laid down the numbers of recruits we've gotten this early. and, they are solid gets. If I'm installing a pro offense, Parrish is the type of player that can make a difference. Scott is a promising TE prospect as Chris will atest to, Soto is an up and comer with size speed and most importantly smarts. Reese is a project of a sort but I like Huber/Chryst/Bostad's identification of talent and he's a massive man with mobility. I don't believe he runs track...that was a joke. That's another point if you want to bring Dan Samuelson into the conversation, Chryst is reconnecting with recruits from his time in Wisconsin. This is called due diligence. Not in our territory, yet not a waste of time. Same goes for Boyle. We need QB's and the kid seems to have taken off a little recently. Not a waste of time. Ideally, we will get to our ACC recruiting areas before long. Remember, not only are the new coaches recruiting local people, they're learning the ACC peoples. And to promise what you can't necessarily produce, that's not how I want a Pittsburgh Panther to operate regardless of the positive outcomes. Chris Dokish claims we are in trouble if we can't commit the kids in the backyard, however in no way is it a doom and gloom scenario if we don't this year. No recruit is bigger than the program. Talk to me next year this time + a month and we can have that discussion. I will note that Chris thinks we will land our big local targets this year (Foster, Johnson) as do I. The point is I can't expect talents like Foster for example to take such a huge step without confidence in the program's direction. That needs to be proven. Pitt hall of Famers speak to it.Need some time. theme is time. -Gordo
All the negativity on sites such as this and blather make recruits think twice about matriculating. You never see a negative post at WVU or Penn State blogs. Even funnier, nothing negative has happened with Coach Chryst and everyone is saying this is a must get recruit or it is doomsday for the program.That is just not true. All you negativists may as well jump on board and support your team because Paul Chryst is staying for a long while. He is going to be successful whether he gets this batch of recruits or not. Pitt needs to win games. With the upcoming schedule, they should win 8 pretty easily and start some young talent. Once they win, they will get better talent. You all want the best recruits before one win occurs. Relax Smiziks and Cooks, you negative nellies. Well Mario has three recruits at FIU if you want to compare recruits.
I don't think the comments on any blogs have any bearing on a high school seniors college decision...Scott
No question Scott.People like Huff who live collectively in La La Land and think that message boards and blogs influence a kid's decision on whether or not to matriculate to a certain school is ridiculous.Huff - read this:"If Pitt can't get any of the four national recruits in their own backyard, then trust me, that's doom. And before anybody calls me negative, I've already said that I think they will get Foster and Johnson, and may get Boyd, too. So I think Chryst will get it done. But if he doesn't, then his tenure at Pitt will be in trouble right away. And believe me, the program will get a stink on it because the word will get around in recruiting circles that Pitt is no longer a factor."Who wrote this? The author who knows WAY more about Pitt than you and me and Joe D and everyone else who posts here combined.Chris understands the situation if Chryst can't land these three players and you should too....you may have lived too long in La La land to get it though.The author does.
By the way, I'm starting to be cautiously optimistic about Chryst's recruiting for this year. I can see him landing Foster, Johnson, and Chapman. Chapman just raved about Pitt, by the way, saying, "what a school". Those three alone would make a great top end of the class and guarantee a highly successful class (on paper).
Plus, corey clement and tyler boyd are possibilities.
Z Moody, the internet makes it easy for recruits and their families to get a pulse on a school. Did I say they make decisions solely on blog content? No. What I did say is that they look and research. The negativity you find on the Pitt sites, you will not find on elite program sites, or at least our main competitors for local kids (WVU, OSU and PSU). Until any of you sits in an athletic department for a competing university and actually sees what is put in front of the eye's of a recruit, than don't say you know that blogs and newspapers aren't in play with recruits. Most everyone else here likes to predict the future with certainty and although that may sound sexy, it's ridiculous. Predicting doom as many of you do on this particular board is premature and irresponsible, and the fact that some try to have a rational discussion about what hasn't yet occurred is entertaining to me. I remain confident in Paul Chryst until such time as I am not. But as of right now, I let him do his job to see how he performs. I like his long term plan for stability and improvement as well as his recruiting approach. I am not in LaLa land, but a realist. College football is cyclical. Also, for those who think Pitt football hasn't been relevant for 30 years, think again. 8 and 9 win seasons are above average in college football. Consistent 10 win seasons are elite. And if you think relevance is only measured in national championships, the big10 has only won 2 outright national championships and spilt 2 in the last 50 years, but everyone would likes to measure against that pr machine. If Pitt would get a verbal from Foster this week, many of you will say "well that's great but let's see if he really signs in February".
Joe D, who the hell is that number 9 on his team. the wide receiver. looks like he can play too
No chance Kincade ends up at Pitt unless he hurts his arm again and has another surgery
Here's where you get in my craw Joe, and perhaps this is your overall intention. When you defame people for instance: Rushel Shell. A local kid who is a consensus top RB and you trash him because he doesn't lift weights? Because he doesn't work at some gym, you heard. He might have weights in his basement, ya think? Of course you heard all this from your nephews friends dogs therapist. Hey man, everyone's entitled to their opinion I respect that. I just see you trollin' all the time and I get a feeling it is not more than just erring on the side of negative. Do what you will but don't refuse the crow when it's fried. I just hope that when Pitt continues a semblance of glory of the present and future you listen, and are happy... -Gordo
I just deleted some of Joe D's comments because it was just more of the same, which I know annoys people. And I will continue to do so. But on the other hand, people need to start ignoring him if they don't like what he says. And that includes me. Intentionally or not, he has a way of getting under people's skin because it seems like he is intentionally baiting people. The best way to take away the power he has over people on this blog is to ignore him and just talk about Pitt sports. There are literally thousands and thousands of people who read this blog daily. Even in the summer offseason there is at least 4,000 a day. During peak times during the season it goes over 10,000. My point is, there are a lot more of you than Joe. If you don't like his message, then drown out his voice. It's not his blog. This blog belongs to everybody who comes in here so quit making it about him. It seems like that's all anybody wants to talk about anymore.
I thought you were him Chris?! -Gordo
Chris,What do you think Pitt's chances are with Derrick Green? I also see that David Williams plans to visit Pitt but it might be a little too late.
Obviously Pitt's chances with Green, Williams, and Clement are less than 50% because of both he competition and the presence of Rushel Shell, but at least Pitt is in there with three excellent backs, so there's always a chance that one of them will fall in love with Pitt.
I think if pitt can pull one of those out that would be a huge success for chryst. If pitt gets the players they should, foster, johnson, chapman and pull off a few coups like one of these rbs and maybe someone on the defensive side of the ball, on paper it could be a class that rivals wannys better recruiting years
If they would get one of those backs along with Foster, Johnson, and Chapman it would be better than anything Wannstedt did. That would be an elite player at every offensive unit- QB, RB, WR, TE, OL.
The good news is thats not unrealistic. The bad news is it hasnt happened yet. Clement and williams are visiting soon, as is foster so if those visits go well ill feel better about it. Williams had pitt as a favorite when graham was here so with chryst here that interest should come back, with chrysts record of highly productive running backs and offenses in general.
The negativity on this and other sites, although somewhat understandable considering the recent past, serves no purpose. IMHO, Coach Chryst is going to establish a top notch program and I fully expect a return to the glory years. Mabe not a NC, but impressive wins over good teams and big time bowls (if they still exist). Recruits are going to see this and want to be a part of it. Hail as always.
You're generalizing by saying there is negativity on this site. There's probably three or so people on here who people could refer to as being negative. You're always going to have that. If Pitt lost the national championship game somebody would complain because they didn't win it. But for the most part I think the Pitt fans are cautiously optimistic.
Believe it or not..I've been cautiously optimistic about Pitt being a consistent Top 25 team since Walt Harris was hired...I'm a bit pessimistic these days.I think part/most of the problem is Pitts history of reliance on wpial players... and the past 10 years or so, wpial has not produced the quantity and quality of D1 player has it has in the past. It's not that they just go elsewhere... there just aren't enough of them!! This year, slim pickings after top 7. Orndoff is a top 7. Great combo of size and speed.
I believe that Chryst is going to have success in attracting players from outside the WPIAL. I am firmly in his camp.