Wednesday, September 26, 2012

A Few Recruiting Thoughts

Since the high school kids are in the middle of their season there isn't much to report.  Most decisions are put on the back burner for the next month or so.  But some thoughts, nonetheless:

Corey Clement is still considered a verbal to Pitt, but I don't know how long that will last.  I'm not saying he's guaranteed to be gone, but if I had to guess right now then I think there's a good chance that he'll eventually switch.  While you never want to lose a player of his quality, and he could be an excellent player, I think we all know that, one, Pitt is not desperate right now for running backs, and, two, Paul Chryst shouldn't have too much trouble finding quality running backs in the future.

One local running back prospect that I talked about a few times before is 2014 prospect Shai McKenzie of Washington HS.  I always thought he would make a killer linebacker but he wants to be a running back and he may be just as good at that position.  He's been beastly so far in his junior season and should put up enormous numbers over the next two years. He already has 760 yards and 13 touchdowns this season in just four games. Barring injury, he could go for over 2,000 yards this season.   And this was after a 1,200 yard sophomore season.  As far as his style, he's strong and tough as hell at around 6'0"and just over 200 pounds.  He'll only get bigger and stronger as he matures.  He'll only get faster, too, and he's already a track performer who has run a 10.83 100m, which is very impressive.  He doesn't have a lot of wiggle, and he's more a between the tackles bruiser with very good straight line speed and shiftiness, but his abilities are growing by leaps and bounds.  He's very pro-Pitt and Pitt wants him very much.  He could, and should, eventually be recruited nationally. While it's still early, and the competition could get fierce, Pitt should be in the mix heavily.

The Panthers are back in the running for Clairton WR Tyler Boyd, but he's still likely headed to West Virginia.  The only way that could change is if Mountaineers head coach Dana Holgorsen leaves for another job (I don't think he'll end up at Arkansas).

Of the 2014 prospects, Gateway safety Montae Nicholson has the most offers so far and he could end up being the top prospect in the state next year.  Pitt has a chance but he just got an offer from Ohio State and I think that's probably a good bet for where he will end up.

Blackhawk HS quarterback, and 2014 Pitt verbal commit, Chandler Kincade, has the excellent 6'5" height, a strong arm, and a nice release.  He still hasn't put up the huge numbers that you would expect for somebody who is held in such high regard, but I think he's the type that will bloom in Elite 11 tryouts and eventually at Pitt.  And, yes, I think he's definitely going to end up at Pitt.  I know that every time he visits someplace else, people get nervous, but I would be truly shocked if ended up anywhere else.

Another one of my favorites, Beaver Falls DT Brock Boxen, is also pro-Pitt and I've talked some to his dad who reads this blog.  Hopefully his Pitt love is deep because he's a player in the Bill Mass/Marc Spindler style.  I'm definitely not saying he is as good as them, of course, because those two were legends, but he's definitely cut from the same cloth.  I can see major offers for him.

I've said from day one that Pitt would end up with Central Valley WR Robert Foster and Belle Vernon OT Dorian Johnson, and now I believe that more than ever.  Of course if it wasn't for a four year bowl ban Johnson would probably be at Penn State, and that's something that surprised every single college assistant I talked to at the time.  They were all convinced he was going to Pitt.  I see no reason why he won't end up with the Panthers now.  I don't know if he's the instant star that many hope for, but he has the size and athletic ability that Chryst and staff can work with.

As for Foster, he never struck me as a kid who wanted to go away.  While he has Ohio State in his final three, I'm not even sure the Buckeyes are recruiting him that hard right now.  And while it's definitely possible that he does eventually choose Alabama over his hometown team, I'm guessing he won't.    Bottom line, I would be surprised if he ended up Alabama and shocked if he ended up at Ohio State.  But as Johnson proved by committing to Penn State, not even the coaches involved really ever know.

Keep an eye on 2014 OT Jeff Rotheram of North Olmsted (OH) HS.  The younger brother of giant Pitt  starting OT Matt Rotheram, he's already 6'6" and 290 pounds.  He has no offers yet, which is not unusual for OL early in their junior year, but that could change, maybe in a big way.  He's a good enough prospect that Michigan and Ohio State may eventually offer.  He's been to Pitt many times because of his brother and he likes the school and the program.

A top local OT for 2014 that the Panthers would also love is Mike Grimm of Bethel Park HS.  He is a strong drive blocker like Chryst likes, and he also likes them big which the 6'7" 315 pound Grimm is. He has had uncles play at Penn State and West Virginia, but he's a Pitt fan.

It's never too early to look down the road in recruiting, especially with kids committing earlier than ever.  Two big time, and I mean BIG TIME, 2015 prospects, are Central Valley HS athlete Jordan Whitehead and Canon-McMillan lineman Alex Paulina.  Many already know Whitehead because of his teammate Robert Foster, but Whitehead may already be as good.  Whitehead projects as a cornerback right now and if Pitt lands Foster, look for Whitehead to follow.  He will be an elite nation recruit.  Paulina will also be a national recruit and already holds a verbal offer from Virginia Tech.  As a freshman he was all-conference in Quad A, which is impressive, to say the least.  He's already 6'4" and close to 300 pounds.  He's a monster already, and he's much more than just size.  He's also explosive, strong, and tough.

Another huge 2015 talent, this time in central PA, is Bishop McDevitt running back Andre Robinson.  He's just over 200 pounds and about 6'0" tall, and he's still only a sophomore.  He looks like the perfect combination of LeSean McCoy and Rushel Shell, and he should be another elite national recruit.  He already holds a Pitt offer.

Chryst's nephew, Keller Chryst, now holds offers from both Stanford and USC, so needless to say he is a big time prospect.  It will be interesting to see how that pans out and if Chryst will offer the quarterback.





91 comments:

  1. Nice Job Chris!!! Surprised no Quip mentions, but great job once again!! Thanx for the update!

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    1. That's because we all assume that Henry will eventually end up at Pitt, and Fields, too, if they offer.

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    2. As much as I would love to see Foster at Pitt, boy would he be a great Percy Harvin imitator!! I think he is the type of athlete you have to have in the mix of every play in some form. Even if its a fake of some sort.

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  2. man, that foster johnson punch would be great. it would give a boost to the recruiting persona of chryst. I am starting to get excited, they just cant lay any eggs against the big east teams they face going forward.

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  3. 2015 seems to be something of a "judgement" year for recruiting. It looks like there will be many prospects that aren't just good, but the kind that shines a national spotlight on PA, especially western PA. If we stock up well over the next couple of years, and land a bounty from the 2015 class, we could be on our way to competing at the top of the ACC. Agree?

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  4. Always like to hear about future recruits.

    Foster and Johnson would be great additions and play at a level (Quad A and triple A) that would qualify has close to college ready. Not so sure on Boyd. Single A is a crap shoot.

    I read that Paul Jones may be leaving Penn State. What a shocker? Not really. Small school wonder (Sto-Rox) that was not ready for the next level. Seems destined for Cal U.

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  5. I really don't know about Kincaide...
    if he is the stud BCS D1 QB he is suppose to be....
    he is not "taking over" HS games... putting the team on his back to get the "W".
    I don't know if he is BCS D1... he hasn't gone to elite 11 camps, etc to get a true independent read on his abilities.
    I think people are enamored with his height... I know he has a big arm but does he have the leadership skills, etc.

    now Pryor... when he was QB at Jeanette... he was a man among boys.. and when Quip players say that... that means something. I don't see that in Kincaide.

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    1. Joe, I hear what you are saying! I will give him this though: The poor kid ran for his life against an ok line in Central Valley. I know they have one wideout there but I was surprised how he was hurried on every dropback.

      I was impressed with arm, and how he stayed in pocket and took the hit when throwing a pass. Not in a hurry to run out of pocket is a nice trait.

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    2. Give the kid a chance. Good intangibles, good program. What is he, 16 years of age? If you are a parent, you don't know if you have a future leader, or someone that is just trying to grow up. In Kincaide's genre, he knows what it takes to get the job done. Maturation does not happen overnight.

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    3. He is definitely BCS D1 and he'll be a 4 star player when he gets ranked. And comparing him to Pryor is ridiculous since Pryor is one of the best athletes in WPIAL history. And he does have good leadership skills already. He has all that he needs, and eventually he'll get there. The question isn't whether or not he'll eventually be a good college player, the only question is how good he'll be.

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    4. I posted on this blog in the spring, "don't fret if Kincade isn't putting up big numbers." Blackhawk is not the same program it was 8-10 yrs ago. There is not much talent around him.

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    5. anonymous...
      blackhawk not the same program it was 8-10 years ago?
      ur kidding...
      blackhawk has a very good program... the problem may be... the players are lazy and not putting the work in as it is easy to be a starter... less competition for the starting spot.
      Less kids means less competition translates into less work put in by the players on their own time.
      but... that is an excuse... if kincaide is a leader.. he would be getting those boys into shape, etc.
      I don't know if kincaide is a "winner"...
      I don't see the drive..
      I don't see the hunger..

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    6. Is he the kids parent? No. He is in high school and not even 18 yet. If he does the work who cares about anyone else. Pitt wants him not the entire team.

      You are completely speculating on the kid. Foster at Michigan yet?

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    7. anonymous...
      you made my point!!
      he lacks the leadership skills to be a BCS D1 QB...

      Foster was speculation on my part.... but it is my understanding MI pull the ship because they reached their limit and no longer want to do the dance.

      but regarding Kincaide.... the blackhawk record speaks volumes... losing to Hopewell... 7-6.. C'mon man...

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    8. Trust me Joe D., I saw this kid play against West A this year and quite honestly, you're not seeing numbers because he doesn't have much around him. I watched the kid during pre-game warm-ups and he has an absolute gun for an arm and right now can throw about 70 yards downfield.

      This kid is legit as far as being a high level D1 prospect.

      Mike W.

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    9. Foster was never, never, never going to Michigan. I don't mean this to belittle either Foster or Pitt, but after Rodriguez left Michigan is very picky on who they bring in. They like kids who are in the Michigan style and that's not Foster.

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    10. mike w...
      I know Kincaide has the measurables.. 6'5" or something like that...
      and a big arm.. i saw film...
      the question is... fire in the belly... leadership... etc.
      he seems laid back... california style..
      reminds me a little of Joe "willy" namath of beaver falls... but Joe had fire and leadership...

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    11. Joe, he's a tough kid, trust me. He takes a lot of shots playing on an average at best team, and this kid takes losing very hard, at least he seemed to in the one game I saw of him.

      I don't know that he's laid back so much, to be honest I thought Blackhawk would tear up West A this year, but West A has a decent D-line and was able to pressure the kid a lot.

      Mike W.

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    12. Joe, I do agree with you that a lot of kids from the Parkway conference do not pan out so much in D1.

      I've seen West A. put a few kids into Pitt's program that while they did pan out eventually as college players, were not an immediate impact type kids. Last kid they put in D1 was Caputo a couple of years ago to Wisconsin, don't know how he's doing there.

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    13. The kid is like 15 or 16 years old. What leadership do you want him to show? Should he charge a machine gun nest?

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    14. Chris - thats funny.

      JoeD - seriously, how can you even claim to know about Kincaide's leadership or for that matter, the Blackhawk FB team work ethic ALL the way over in Jersey?!!!

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    15. JoeL...
      nephew and others on Hopewell FB team... and he/they (hopewell) are terrible.
      plus some game highlights and interviews by kincaide..
      how can Blackhawk lose to Hopewell... smh...
      that is why I question his abilities...

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    16. Game was at Hopewell. Those of you who have paid attention to the Parkway over the years, you'll know what i mean. Did not see game, but when I saw the final score the first thing that came to mind was "Was it at Hopewell?"

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    17. Now I know why Quips wanted to play in Parkway conference for 2012 and 2013... easily would win Parkway section... and make a strong run at Heinz in AAA... playing 2 levels UP!!

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    18. Joe D,

      Sorry, you're wrong here. Kincade is throwing everyday in the summer and looking for guys to throw to. He was constantly working out trying to get stronger from his injury.

      You want leadership? How about the 9th graders were going to quit because they all got bumped up to Varsity. Guess who stepped in and rallied all those guys to stay with the team? Any guesses? Yep, Kincade. Is he a fiery, vocal kid who people will then think is a primadonna? Nope, but he does lead. I've seen it on the field and in the hallways. And the football team there has no depth at all. About 35 kids playing in 10th-12th grade.

      The other kid to look at on their team is Alex Caratelli. That kid can play. He'll be under the radar, but he catches EVERYTHING.

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  6. What's the read of Ricky Rogers after the move to Gateway? After your last description of him, I can only imagine how sweet it'd be to see Bisnowaty & Dorian blocking for Voytik with Voytik throwing to Foster and that guy.

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    1. Pitt hasn't offered him yet. I like him, though. He's a gamer.

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  7. Kincade is a good QB but I think it is 50/50 at best he goes to Pitt. I would say Michigan St. is his other top school. He is going to graduate early and enroll in January 2014. He is a great kid and good leader with not much to work with as he is always running for his life like Quipscript said.

    He has the big arm, quick release, and movie star looks. He just has to stay healthy. He didn't do Elite 11 this year because he wasn't cleared to throw until late spring. His brother is currently at Pitt and they are close so that is a positive. (Yep, I have inside info on him since he's been a student of mine. lol)

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    1. Info that I have on him that Pitt is the favorite and I think he is a lock to go there unless something unexpected happens, which is totally possible. Most Pittsburgh teachers are liberals so u have to be careful on what they say.(being funny--don't get crazy)

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    2. I can take a joke from you conservatives...just look at Mitt and Sarah and...lol

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  8. Keller Chryst would be awesome, But the kid lives Palo Alto and USC offered. The kid probably already has a offer from us, if not maybe when the family gets together over thanksgiving. I hoped that Paul would have been able to bring his brother aboard but I knew Joe Rudolph and Bostad were high priorities. Gateway kids are overrated in my mind (not that I have a problem with gateway kids most of my family are gateway grads). Most of the guys who went to Pitt out of gateway have not been world beaters. Brock Broxen would be a good, keeping Kincade, Henry, Grimm, Rotheram, Mckenzie, Andrew Ford, and Marcus Allen (pitt in top 2)would all be good.

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  9. How many open scholarships do we have? Were all the scholarships to walkons only for 1 year?

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    1. All scholarships are for one year and nobody but the staff really knows how many scholarships they will eventually have because only they really know if any are freed up or who will not be eligible, etc.

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    2. There are 18 scholarships available due to graduations.
      However, you have to add those that may be asked to leave or will leave on their own. Some say 25.... I suspect the class will be about 22.

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  10. It may be too early to talk about Levi Metheny of Bethel Park Hight School. He is a freshman who is looking like a stud playing Quarterback on Varsity. His Dad is the Head Coach who has a great relationship with Coach Chryst.

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  11. Doke, thanks for the information. I find it helpful to read opinions on recruits every 3-4 weeks during the quiet periods. I think it also keeps potential recruits and their respective families up to speed and they also get to see firsthand the excitement that their matriculation plans have on the real fans!

    I think that if Kincaide is looking elsewhere and is serious about another school, he needs to de-commit now versus pulling a morelli on LOI day. I think he stays with Pitt unless nephew Chryst signs with Pitt. That said, I think Keller Chryst goes elsewhere because he has great offers from great schools and doesn't have to worry about the nepotism chat we would hear, every time he pulls a sunseri. I think Pitt gets its fair share of local stars in the next few years with Dorian and Robert leading the way.

    As far as Boyd and WVU are concerned. Boyd has a better opportunity to see the field at Pitt. WVU does not have a geno smith in their system. Their talent will drop dramatically next year and the program will be in jeopardy of trending towards many losses. With the closest conference away game being over 700 miles away, they will struggle to keep their identity.

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  12. Nice rundown, Chris - enjoyed reading it.
    You you sound a bit more optimistic in this post.
    I hope that was your intent...it's encouraging.

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    1. My intent is to be honest. Things look better for Pitt now than before so that's why it may sound optimistic.

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    2. Bill King, JC Shurburtt and Gerry Hamilton were giving Pitt lots of kudos on the recruiting front this morning on 247 radio. "Nothing short of a miracle" was used to describe what Pitt did this past recruiting season and where they are headed. Its rare that Pitt gets mentioned at all, much less in a favorable light on the SiriusXM CFB shows... so that too is encouraging.

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  13. I really have to wonder why a Gateway player would go to Ohio State (other than the, ahem, obvious).

    Let's face it: Gateway players on the whole have turned out to be enormosly overrated, and I can't recall a single one recently that's been any good at OSU (or anywhere else, for that matter).

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    1. That is because the Gateway HC, Smith, knows how to market his players...
      but you are right... players from Gateway have been a bust...
      as have players from Clairton.

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  14. Nice piece Chris. Pitt is in position to land a good amount of local talent. That's a good deal. Add a 8 win season and we might see something of a snowball effect. Granted we get Foster and Johnson which I agreed with you that we would all along. Johnson's story is a good lesson as to why people shouldn't always freak out when stuff happens. We're Pitt fans, roll with it.

    Just bring in talent, coaches who can coach (we're almost there imo), and a system that accentuates strengths and we can make noise in our new league. Now if we could just get the backing of the sports admin and booties in the seats. Granted we are an academic institution and a damn good one at that. Balance it.

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    1. What the program desperately needs is more alumni support, i.e. contributions. This is where Pitt falls off dramatically from the likes of PSU and WVU locally; those schools alumni donate heavily to those programs, Pitt alumni really don't in comparison and that's why we're always looking to get to "the next level".

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    2. Good point. Alumni (financial support) is very important as well.

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  15. Man, what a difference a couple of wins make.

    Seems like the whole mood regarding Chryst and his staff has taken a turn for the better.

    Hope it stays this way.

    PittofDreams

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    1. I agree the two wins went a long way but they have to continue to focus and take one game at a time. If they lose to Syracuse, the goodwill is gone again.

      This team can still pull off a 8-4 season or conversely a 5-7 season depending on who shows up on gameday.

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    2. That is what known as an "overreacting fanbase"

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    3. My point was really how all the critics who were so ready to write off both Chryst and Pitt football have seemed to have taken a step back from the cliff.

      But I can envision how a stumble against Syracuse or another disappointing loss... would send many racing back to the edge.

      They could learn something from the demeanor Chryst himself has shown throughout the rough start.

      Obviously he's here for the long haul and steadfast in the commitment he's made to the school, his staff and most importatnly to himself in rebuldling the program from the bottom up, one block at a time.

      It helps to just realize that and keep in mind just how good of a coach Chryst really is... and enjoy the process.

      Nobody named Foster... or especially Johnson... is going to make or break the future.

      PittofDreams

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    4. You sure are optimistic. I prefer to be realistic.

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    5. Chris,

      By the way... here's a quick look at the season Chad Voytok's replacement is having at Cleveland High in Tennessee after the team has begun putting some wins together after a couple of early losses.

      122 Passing Attempts
      189 Completions
      1327 Yards
      1 Interception

      Austin Herink says he's been contacted by LSU among others although no offers as of yet.

      As you know, he is just a junior.

      PittofDreams

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  16. All I can hope for is that Chryst and staff are aware of every single one you mention (besides the obvious ones for next years class). I would be really excited if he can land some of those OL prospects.

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  17. Doke, great work (per usual)!

    What are the timetables for Foster and Johnson to announce? As much time as Johnson seemingly spends around the team, one might think he's already on the roster as a redshirt.

    Thanks!

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    1. Johnson the other day said before the end of season. Think November-December ish. Foster no idea. But these are 18 year old kids whose mind change and people whisper in their ears. On an unrelated note did you PITT was in the top 100 Universities in the world. Penn State, WVU, and Ohio State weren't on the list. Only a few ACC schools (georgia tech and Duke). Hail to Pitt.

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  18. Watch out for South Fayette Sophomore QB, Brett Brumbaugh.

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  19. Just remember what Joe D said about Shell when thinking about any predictions or about his "analysis" on if a kid will be good or not...

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    1. Yes... remember he was suspended the 1st game... he was kicked off the basketball team twice in HS... about to be kicked off the baseball team..

      remember... everyone said he was fast... I said he was slow... and I said wpial was slow... just because he was faster than some wpial CB doesn't make him fast.

      remember... I said, if he doesn't put the work in... he will be a bust like Marcus Dupree...

      yep... remember... so far... i got 2 of 3 right..

      I hope he gets on the right path... I already had convo with Lasalla of getting him a mentor... that didn't happen to my knowledge... so Lasalla got a "i told u so" from me regarding game 1 which he acknowledged.

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    2. Your theory would make sense if Foster didn't travel to various camps and combines, and got rave reviews due to his vast array of skills, including his speed and quickness.

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    3. I bet Virginia Tech thought he was slow

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    4. Anonymous...
      you obviously haven't watched any games...
      Shell's biggest weapon is his stiff arm...
      his 2nd biggest weapon is his weight/body going up against DB's or LB's...
      he didn't outrun anyone... yep, he is slow.. he practically said so himself as he was trying to adjust to the speed of the game... meaning... everyone is faster or as fast as he.

      Shell and Bennett could be Thunder and Lightening...
      like Dayne and Tiki Barber...
      and I will give you a hint... Shell is not the lightening.

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    5. Adjusting to the speed of the game is something many players say and it has nothing to do with the player not being fast enough. Everything just moves faster and it takes awhile to judge how fast everybody on the field is moving.

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    6. Toby Gerhart wasn't a barn burner and he play's on Sundays and was a Heisman candidate.
      If he puts up yards who cares how he does it.

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  20. Justin King and Mortty Ivy are 2 Gateway Grads that have played in the NFL.

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  21. Not all Gateway kids were busts. Dorian Bell would have been excellent but his problems came off the field. A lot of the Gateway kids were taking on potential, but Nicholson has already shown that he's a really, really good player.

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  22. You guys all realize by now I hope that Joe D is titleman, right?

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    1. I thought he was a guy I went to High School with at Pittsburgh Central Catholic

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    2. Not Ralph The Plumber?

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  23. Nice to look ahead to 2014, I have done the same.
    But 2013 class needs finishing.

    Boyd is not coming here. I wish, just don't see it. I like Foster and DoJo coming aboard. I fully expect that.

    So what about the rest of 2013? I'm a fan of Zayd Issah, he lists Pitt in his top three on Scout. Not sure what that means...But he would be a major get. Anybody else of serious note Pitt could land?

    And with the Keller Chryst situation. Kincade is a four star QB. I think he wants to be the hometown QB and he is going to go to Pitt. No doubt about it.

    Doesn't leave K. Chryst with a spot. I'm sure offer him out of courtesy and if he comes, great. But I just can't imagine Pitt landing him over USC or Stanford.

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    1. I don't see Chryst offering his nephew...
      it may cause problems with 2013 and 2014 qb's with offers and have committed to Pitt.

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    2. Reginald Green is another tall athletic WR, would compliment Foster and Challingsworth great. Either Issah or Al Rasheed Benton would be huge. Zach Moody or Kenton Gibbs for a big DT. Jason Tretter a mountain OL from Ohio coupled with DoJo and what we got already would be a foundation of a big strong offensive line. Getting safety Micheal Stevenson from florida would make this a top 25 class. If everything stays the same 1QB 1RB 1 FB 1TE 3WR 4 OL 2 DT 2 DE 3LBs 2CB 1S 1k 1P.

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  24. new oakland zoo shirts look horrible.

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  25. Chryst and Ingram in Center Township to see a Warrior or two. Cv looked flat at first falling behind 14 to 0 early. Then on a fake punt by CV the upback received the snap and went to get around end and lateraled it to Foster. This is where he showed his D-1 ability. He had guys chasing him and about to get him and then the separation happened. There is no lie, he has speed!!

    The other guy(Whitehead) Chryst was checking out probably made the greatest interception I have ever seen in the high school ranks. He played QB like a fiddle and came from across field and leaped in the air to snag ball from receiver. Great play for senior let alone a sophomore.

    Im sure Chryst liked what he seen.

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    1. Thanks for the report - hope to see them both playing for Pitt!

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  26. Hey Joedy, how do you think you got 2 out of 3 right. You may have gotten one right and because the answer was already provided. That analysis is a complete failure. That is like answering your name correctly on the SAT and getting 50 points for it (i.e. you already have the answer).

    To address your possibly correct answer, I am not concerned with what a kid did in the 11th or 12th grade as that is history. There is no comparison between high school and major college whether it be the academic, social or athletic category. Look, you either mature or you don't. Shell has an opportunity to write his personal story however he chooses. If he wants to be the best athlete, he will train harder. If he wants to be the best father, he will work harder at that and so on with academics.

    I like how our head coach has recruited to date and would be happy with the class as is. Look, if these kids want to go elsewhere, than go. I want players on my team that want to be here. Foster and Johnson do not appear to be players that would fit at OSU. Urban is a more successful Todd Graham as far as wins and losses, but he is heading for trouble in the buckeye state.

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    1. Urban is a very tightly wound man, the pressure at tOSU will either kill him or drive him insane. I give him 3 seasons untill he goes over the edge. He will be sucessful but not perfect, Urban wants to be perfect and it doesn't always turn out that way.

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    2. Yep... I got 2 of 3 right...
      I suggest you go back on the posts...
      1. Being kicked off teams in HS trouble... past history is a predictor of future performance... and wouldn't you know it... week 1 he gets suspended.

      2. Everyone said he was fast... I said he was slow... and the entire wpial is slow, slow, slow... he didn't do combines or track... i did say he had quick feet which is different than fast.

      3. Is unknown whether Shell will be a bust... Marcus Dupree played in 16 games... left after sophmore year. But, it is well known, Shell didn't put the work in in HS... will that be the same in college... we will see how hungry he is. Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior.

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    3. the entire wpial is not slow. that is just silly to say. there are way to many in the nfl from wpial to say something that crazy. does wpial have the talent it did in the 70s, no but to say everyone is slow makes you look silly. there are only small pockets in the entire country that have top flight speed. you really need to get out of jersey and spend some time in the south.

      shell may or may not be good yes but that can be said about every true freshman. tons of high school stars get to college and realize d-1 is big time and they either adjust or not. thats why rivals/scout don't hit on every kid. many, many factors in a kids life determine his college experience.

      you were doing so well lately but lots of post on this article are way off base.

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    4. You can have top flight speed in wpial...
      but the players are lazy..
      the players down south are hungry... therefore more competitive.
      there are only about 20 HS in wpial (130) that can develop BCS D1 football players.
      It's all about the speed... why do you think so many come out of Quip... all the skill players run track!!
      You don't get faster by sitting on your couch playing xbox and eating bon bons...

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    5. This last post is nothing short of insane.

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    6. The kids down south are not any more hungry. Like I said you need to leave jersey. Kids in the south work the same as the kids in wpial. I know you're stuck in the 70s/80s but there has been a population shift in this country you may not have heard about.

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    7. The population shift is a sure sign of things. The difference between SEC and Pitt exclusively is that bama, auburn, all of them really except for maybe florida and Vanderbilt need football to run their universities. If Pitt losses now until the pirates win again Pitt will still have a 2.45 billion dollar endowment. To be honest their is no incentive for Pitt to be good at any sport. We alot a certain amount of money to the athletic department to be competitive. We have the funds to pay whatever coach whatever salary he wants but PITT would lose money in athletic department at that point. However, BAMA needs that revenue, needs that notoriety,and needs that exposure so they can make ends met. I was always told to not follow the money trail in investigative journalism but follow the incentive trail. Bama needs football, Pitt doesn't. Therefore, the coaching is better, the players are better, so on and so on.

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    8. what does population shift have to do with lazy and slow players out of wpial??
      I don't look at absolute numbers..
      I look at %...

      wpial football for about 100 of the 130 schools is a social event...

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    9. Have to disagree with you on that one. I've lived, worked, and coached in georgia and the kids in the wpial work just as hard if not harder.

      You're looking at % completely wrong. Enrollment is way way down at lots of those 130 you are saying. Many schools in western pa could be combined. There is less population in the wpial which mean less d-1 kids. The population has shifted south which mean more kids, more d-1 talent.

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    10. Anonymous...
      If you look at %... Number of D1 divided by HS boys.... PA and Western PA are down compared to south.
      Several articles with the numbers... so that is fact...
      The wpial kids are lazy... for the most part.. and yes if they combine schools, it would be more competitive... if more competitive.. then better players.
      There are only about 20-25 wpial HS that produce college players... most are 4A...

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    11. Here is a link..
      other articles like it...

      http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1182411

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  27. Don't look now but our boy Fraud Graham has ASU flying high. They might be a dark horse in the Pac12. SPEED SPEED SPEE, and as Joe D points out we don't have a lot of it nor does are recruiting base. I've wondered from day one if that's why old Fraud left.

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    1. Speed, speed, speed.... 3 times... plus explosive power.

      That is what the SEC is all about...
      Chyrst knows... of the 157 offers to 2013 athletes, only 10 from wpial.

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    2. Hey the move to the ACC is already paying dividends. The last recruits by both Dixon and Chryst have been from North Carolina.

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  28. chris, apparently pitt is getting a visit from michigan qb cameron thomas on the 13th. there have been rumors that travon chapman has been hearing from ohio state and now the staff is inviting qbs to visit. whats going on?

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    1. well, that was short lived. reportedly chapman told chris peak that osu has not contacted him.

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