Saturday, September 1, 2012

Youngstown State 31 Pittsburgh 17

What an embarrassing start for the Paul Chryst era.  Not much I can say, really.  It started with six suspension and the idiotic removal of the names of the jerseys.  Then it got worse.  Youngstown State is an excellent FCS team, but this was a bomb, pure and simple.

The offensive line was not good and the skilled players showed little, but it was the defense that was the real embarrassment. Youngstown State moved the ball at will and the defense did not make one outstanding play all game.  The defensive line, like the offensive line, was blown off the ball, and the secondary couldn't cover anybody.  The Penguins ended up with 381 total yards but it seemed more like 681 total yards.

The Pitt offense managed 367 total yards.  Tino Sunseri was not awful, but he wasn't great either.  He ended up making 19 of 30 for 237 yards and one touchdown.  He threw no touchdowns and was not sacked.  Surprisingly Ray Graham started, and while he was not his old self, he was still good enough to carry 14 times for 71 yards.  He did half a fumble on the first drive, however.  Isaac Bennett was also solid with 42 yards on 10 carries.  He also ran for a touchdown.  The Panthers ran for 140 yards and a 4.6 avg.  Michael Shanahan led the receivers with 6 catches for 54 yards.  Devin Street was back to being his underachieving self with 4 catches for 49 yards, plus a drop and a fumble.  Hubie Graham added 4 catches for 38 yards.  Joshua Brinson caught a 35-yard touchdown pass in the fourth quarter and true freshman tight end J.P. Holtz caught a 20-yard pass that could have went for a touchdown if he hadn't tripped.

With Cincinnati and Virginia Tech on the horizon, the Panthers are looking at an 0-3 start.

148 comments:

  1. No where to go but up. Remember Chuck Noll was 1-13 his first year. It is going to painful this year but better every year going forward.

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    1. Based on what? Underwhelming recruiting or a sad coaching display against 1-aa team?

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  2. Todd doesn't look so bad at the moment.

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  3. "Let's give Chryst a Chance"

    "It's only one game"

    "Boy, Fair weather fans"

    "He inherited a bad team'

    "It's all Graham's fault'

    THIS WAS A TERRIBLE HIRE - JUST LIKE HAYWOOD AND GRAHAM!!!!

    He has the personality of a freakin' doorknob and he's going to sell this program?

    OMG - a complete DISGRACE.

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  4. When will Russell Shell grow up?

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  5. This team looked completely undisciplined to me. Ironically, the names were removed from the jerseys but they played more like individuals.

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    1. You know, that was the first thing that I noticed about the names not being on the uniforms. Why was this done? Anyone know? After staying and watching the whole game, if I was a player, I guess that I wouldn't want my name to be shown either!!

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  6. YSU offensive line controlled the line of scrimmage. Pitt dl is slow. Pitt really has no linebackers. Just people who fill the positions so Pitt can have 11 men on defense. Post an ad in the Pitt News and whoever responds give them a shot Thursday night. Chryst is a good play caller and it was good to see Sunseri show some hope of being a scent qb. But Pitt's OL is still a liability and that was clear as that unit was outclassed by YSU's. you can't blow two 4 and one yard.

    I don't think the suspensions would have made a difference.

    What brain fart suit decided to remove the names??

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    1. "Chryst is a good play caller..."

      Are you serious? The only play call that really counted was when Pitt had a 4th and about foot deep in YSU territory in the 3rd quarter when Pitt badly needed a TD to get back into the game. And what does Chryst call? A deep handoff off tackle on a stacked line. Loss of one yard, turnover on downs, and game pretty much over.

      I'll grant you that Chryst had the offense humming pretty good in the first half — with crosses and slants underneath. But YSU made adjustments, and we could never get the ball moving like that again. Chryst was totally out-coached in this game.

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  7. The offense look good up til the fumble the and playing calling I thought was good. Tino played good. I did not expect the defense to be so soft especially the DL. Give credit to YSU. They are a better team. Lets see how Pitt rebounds for Thursday when it truly counts.

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    1. They aren't a better team. That's the problem. If Pitt lost to a better team then nobody could really complain.

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    2. Agreed, Chris. Going on memory, the difference between I-A and I-AA is about 15 scholarships (I'm not going to play the silly FBS/FCS name game). For that fact alone, Pitt should have a lot more talent on its sideline.

      I don't believe we hit the YSU QB once when he dropped back to pass the entire first half. And the one time we did hit him in the second half, he completed the pass for ... wait for it ... a first down on a third-down play.

      Pitt's offense was probably good enough to win that game if the defense could get a DIVISION I-AA offense off the field. They just couldn't do it. YSU had five drives for scores of 70-plus yards. FIVE! YSU ran 70 plays to Pitt's 58, and the Penguins punted just twice. From the very first YSU offensive series, it was clear that they had some speed at the skill positions that Pitt was going to have trouble dealing with. And Pitt's D didn't even sniff a turnover all game.

      YSU was the better team, in every phase of the game — including game-coaching and play-calling.

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    3. How u could say Pitt is better than YSU makes no sense. The better team won, pure and simple. Chris........... take off the blinders, this is a program that wreaks from the head of the fish on down to the tail fin. Pitt is a caricature of a D-1 Program. This is an omen of the chaos that's to come.

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  8. Is the defense really that bad or was this an anomaly?

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  9. Thoughts from the bottom of the bottle...

    1. This is the most disgraceful loss in the history of the program - ever

    2. Every single player should be hanging their heads in shame - every one of them

    3. Paul Chryst burned up almost all of his goodwill in one game

    4. The Wanny apologists are already starting to rise from their crypt - News Flash, idiots - Wanny was a lousy head coach - end of story

    5. Contary to popular belief, the loss was not due to not having an on-campus stadium and the failure to return to "Pitt Script"

    6. This loss calls for a couple of sacrificial lambs - I'd like to suggest Inoke Breckterfield and Shayne Hale. No loss in either case

    7. Robert Foster - gone. Dorian Johnson - gone. That's the way it goes when you lose a game like this. Immediate playing time means nothing on a bad team.

    8. Team better find some heart and leadership in a hurry

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    1. I agree Wanny is a horrible coach but Wanny did beat YSU, actually I think that was Wanny's first win.

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    2. Dood...you might actually be the most intelligent poster I've read on a blog in a long time. I will disagree with point #1 but that is really splitting hairs at this point.

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    3. Funny - Trib just reported that Dorian Johnson just named Pitt as his favorite

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    4. That was before last night's game.

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  10. Troubling! This team was unprepared and Jim you are dead on with your comments.

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    1. Thanks. And pardon me, Doke, for my kinda-double-post. My second treatise is a pasting of most of an email I sent to friends and fellow Pitt grads immediately after the game. Had to get it fully off my chest — and thought the readers of your excellent blog might enjoy the extra nugget or two.

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  11. Sry Chris for my reply to whatever the guy's name was and it was rightfully deleted but as a life long Pitt fan...since the late 60's, I want to cry.

    I will not live long enough for us ever to get back to any sense of the glory years.

    I guess I can say that I did see Pitt at their very best.

    Apathetic fan base, horrible AD and head coach...

    It's just so sad now....

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  12. Doke, I agree that YSU is not a better team. I guess this all comes down to coaching. We were so out coached it's a shame. We made no adjustments after YSU took away our best plays. I just don't think you can learn on the job. I think maybe Bostad was more important than we know.

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  13. This loss, at home, to a Division I-AA Youngstown State (I refuse to take part in the FBS/FCS nonsense) is worse than the Bowling Green loss under Wanny, and almost as bad as the 72-0 blowout to Ohio State under Johnny Majors in 1996.

    I don't care that YSU is ranked #13 in I-AA. I don't care that Paul Chryst is a new head coach. I don't even care that we've had four coaches in our last 16 games. That was absolutely pathetic. I believe that Division I-A teams have something like 15 more scholarship athletes than those in I-AA. We supposedly have an All-America candidate on the defensive line in Donald. Neither he or anyone else on the front line even sniffed the jersey of the YSU QB all night. Check that, he was hit ... once. And completed the pass for a first down anyway.

    The Penguin RBs were rarely molested until 4 or 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, and then our LBs were grasping at tackles from behind. Our secondary, supposedly a strength of the team because it's filled with veterans, was awful. YSU WRs were open on every play — and they were very easy to hit with passes because the QB was never pressured. It was like a 7-on-7 drill out there, with a red jersey for the QB.

    Tino actually didn't play as badly as I expected him too. He played well enough to almost win this game, if the defense was remotely competent. Yes, he had a couple of over-throws ... because Tino is terrible at throwing the deep ball. He had a bad overthrow of Devin Street in the first half of what should have been an easy TD. But Devin Street has some serious effort problems ... and then fumbled any chance we had to possibly win the game in the 4th quarter.

    I live in Chicago and was invited to see Pitt vs. Notre Dame by a friend. I don't think I'll go. I'd love to see old friends, but I don't think I should drink as much as I'd need to drink to endure the game and drive the 2.5 hours back home. I don't see how we win even 5 games if what we saw tonight is as much as 75 percent of what this Pitt team will be. They are going to have to make huge strides to beat anyone, and should not be favored in a single Big East contest.

    Typical Pitt season ... only the disappointment comes earlier this year. I guess it's good to have the Band-Aid ripped off instead of slowly torn as in past years.

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  14. Chris

    The problems on defense are not just schematic. The Players just are not good enough. Thry need to run faster. Pitt has many weak links as in the years past. But at least they could play defense. No more. Donald will be this seasons Claude Harrriot.

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  15. I've been anti-Chryst for a while, since I thought he was boring and I have no confidence in his recruiting ability.

    After tonight, I have no confidence in his coaching ability, either.

    Tonight was as awful as it gets. And you can forget about a successful season, or a good recruiting class: Pitt very well might be experiencing its death throes. I could easily see them falling back to 1990's-like levels.

    Why does Steve PEderson still have a job?

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    1. Excellent comment and right to the point. The hilight of the game were my Primanti's fries. Can you say 1-11?

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  16. I looked at the Panthers schedule earlier and figured on a 5-7 year. I may have to make that 3-9.

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  17. Hmmmmmm.....Arizona State won their opener 63 - 6......

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    1. High octane baby, high octane! And with that Nitro defense!

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    2. Fraud Graham's son is back to posting on the internet. Put that mascot suit back on boy!

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  18. BTW...college football in Pennsylvania died today....RIP.

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  19. removal of the names of the jerseys, I did not even notice that. I don't like either. YSU controlled the lines, which was not good. The D just looked bad every way. Really not impressed with the game day coaching today either. Hoping it gets better, but I'm sure jack ass Graham is laughing with his loving family today.

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  20. Seriously. I went home to Johnstown this summer to WVU t-shirts and people turning down Pitt admits to WVU undergrad "grant-in-aids" which are known to be suspect. In any event, I didn't see much Pitt anything during my two weeks in hell there.

    What a disaster. But at this point. I hope we go 0-12 and EVERYONE gets FIRED. It'a the only way Pitt football gets any better. Seriously. Does anyone expect anything better?

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  21. Definitely back to pre-Walt days. What a disaster. Peterson HAS to go. Any idea what the suspensions were for? What a joke.

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  22. 1-11. We'll beat Gardner Webb and lose to everyone else

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  23. As previously explained to the blogging crowd, this loss isn't about recruiting, although YSU had some real nice transfers on their offensive line from nice programs. Same with their skill players. Pitt lost this game earlier in the week when at least six contributing players violated curfew. They obviously didn't take the game seriously or thought victory would be in peril, but they were wrong.

    I do think that Tino just can't lead and the players know he can't lead. Was he terrible, no! But he didn't lead or make the big play, because he can't. It's not his fault, he just isn't that talented. YSU's qb understand his strengths and weaknesses and his coaching staff plays to that.

    Defensively, Pitt had no heart, desire or plan. YSU exploited everything. Again, one need only watch the film on YSU and understand their talent along the OL to know it was going to be a tough game. Their OL was bigger than Pitt's and had better experience. A lack of a gameplan on defense, especially no run blitzes and pressure was problematic. They were vanilla in a game that required all 31 flavors!

    Coach Chryst was not terrible, but not great. The ysu coach understood pitt's vulnerability and exploited it, often because he had the players that could do it. Chryst is talented and I expect that we lose some heartless players soon. We need a new AD as I put a lot of this on him. Pitt was not stable and became a laughingstock because of him. That is on him and he needs to go right away. Chryst has been dealt a tough hand, but I expect him to bounce back.

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  24. Not all of this is on PC. The players sucked. They were the ones dropping passes, fumbling,not blocking, get pushed pack 4 yards and letting YSU convert almost every 3rd down. These are not PCs recruits.
    I guess I can blame PC for not being able to have his team ready but even some of the is on the team.

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  25. When you don't have Wisconsin-led linemen to help your offense run with precision, this is what you get: crap.

    Going to take a miracle to win six games.

    This what you get when you change coaches - you have to be patient.

    I can't imagine there is a Pitt fan out there today who is willing to be patient after years of mediocrity.

    And, yes, I still wish Pitt had Wannstedt. Pitt would not have lost this game with Wanny, period!

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  26. This loss was about a lot of things IMO:

    Impact of the instability at head coach over the last few years.

    Inability to adjust to what YSU was doing on offense.

    An absence of any playmaker at the linebacker positions. There didn't seem to be any run support or pass coverage on the short to medium length throws.

    Poor calls and execution on the two short yardage plays. Think they were both on 4th down.

    I won't declare Chryst a failure after his first game like so many others have. He deserves a chance. Unfortunately, there's little time to correct anything (if that can even be done) before Thursday's game. An 0 - 3 start looks likely. In that case wins the remainder of the season will be few and far between.

    Final comment - I watched via ESPN3 through my xbox 360 and after that, I can't wait for a televised game.

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  27. A D-1A team should crush a D-1AA team. You posters need to learn/watch college football. Please get a clue and stop making excuses. Worse loss in school history.

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  28. Chris and Jim Lakely - your analysis is spot on.

    I am still scratching my head over the call on 4th & 1...

    But some of the posters already dismissing Chryst after one game...Really? You have to be kidding.

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  29. I don't want to hear/read... Chryst and crew will coach up mediocre players... like Wisconsin...

    We need good players damit...

    Pitt will not land Johnson, Foster, or Boyd...
    In fact, don't be surprised if Chapman, Clement and other re-evaluate...
    And you wonder why I always say.... in college football....
    the players account for 2/3.... the coaches 1/3...
    when you don't have the players, it doesn't matter who the coach is.. coach em up... yeh right... so is every other college coach in D1.

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  30. Even before this embarrassing loss, I've felt that Pitt is nothing more than a MAC team at this point. Those days of being FBS relevant are over (just ask Army). Although the tumultuous off-seasons recently are obviously a factor it still is no excuse. I believe it starts at the top with Peterson. He should have been gone a long time ago. Look at what he did at Nebraska. Any big time collegiate school would have ousted him after the Haywood debacle. Regardless, Pitt is in for a long season and has regressed so much since the departure of Wannstadt. BTW - how much more do we have to watch the mediocre play of Sunseri. I think we knew 2 years ago that he wasn't a D1 QB.

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  31. If this is the start of the season....
    it really is the start for the next 3 seasons!!!
    Just look at the recruiting class of 2011, 2012 and now 2013...
    U..G..L..Y....

    Prediction... Chryst will be gone after year 3.

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    1. Somewhere in Arizona... Todd and Penni Graham are laughing their asses off...
      tweeting to the Pitt players.... look in the mirror as to last years season...

      If you didn't notice... ASU won their opener 63-6.

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  32. This was a bitter sweet loss for me. Both of my brothers played for YSU and won a few national championships, which I witnessed first hand, w/ Tressel. Being a Pitt alum this one hurts. But, lets hope we learn something from this game and come back and beat Cincy next week. H2P

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  33. Can we please stop with the "a d1 team should always beat a 1AA team.". Unless you amend it to say "a good D1 team....". Pitt is not a good team. They were dominated at the point of attack. This team is remarkably slow of foot on defense. Yes a good qb would have hit a couple wide open receivers. And a couple 4 th down calls were not the best. But as long as the defense can't run and can't tackle it will be a long season. It is good WVU is not on are schedule. They would win by 50 points. This is like wann's first couple of seasons given the dearth of talent on this team, notably on O and D lines (I'm not including linebackers since Pitt apparently won't be using them this year). You are as strong as your weakest link. Pittt has many weak links.

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    1. Now you understand why recruiting is sooooo important!!
      But... all along, I've said problem with no depth at DL... only 8 and 3 were held out of the game.

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    2. You're kidding? Pitt has better players, end of story. Look at the last 2 times they've played YSU. Pitt should crush them.

      Right on Joe D, sad many of these ppl think 'coaching them up' is all it takes.

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    3. Michigan - not pleased

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  34. Sorry, but the excuse that Pitt's players aren't good enough may work against Virginia Tech, but not Youngstown State. That game was a debacle, pure and simple, and Chryst is responsible. When you are the head man it falls to you.

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    1. Exactly Chris! You're going to hurt some of the babies feelings by sayin that though

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    2. Dokes, you are right again. The most troubling thing is how this team lost. I would even say they quit. They didn't finish plays. They looked like they were afraid of getting hurt.


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    3. I think you have to put some blame on the S&G coach... (aka yoga instructor)...

      The Oline and Dline lacked strength and was pushed around the entire game!!!

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    4. A better s&c coach is necessary for Pitt to compete at the FCS Level.

      ....

      .... That should really say something.

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    5. The strength and conditioning coach?!?!! REALLY

      That is as retarded a post as you've ever posted - which says a lot

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    6. Strength and Conditioning is MASSIVELY important on the lines. Without good S&C players can be completely blown off the line of scrimmage, which is something we saw happen in the game.

      The proper development of explosive power is necessary for all football players, and the stretching routines advocated by pitts current S&C coach take away in a large degree from the development of explosive power.

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  35. Look, what Pitt has done in the past to YSU is meaningless this year. I know they have a better qb and offensive line that overmatched Pitts defense. Pitt should be able to win playing this team but did not in part because they don't have enough talent. Of course Chryst bears responsibility but let's just accept the fact that this team and this defense in particular just are not good enough to beat teams they presumably should.

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    1. They have more talent. What are you talking about?

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  36. I'm not aware that anyone on here didn't say we need to recruit good players, just not track athletes. We need players that are good at football.

    Beyond that, the team's personnel on D is not appropriate for the scheme. You can't have LBers that are 220-210 pounds and successfully take on a good offensive line. You simply can't. But the DLine should be ashamed of themselves, especially at the point of attack. When Donald got single teamed, he was about the only one that could make penatration and a play. KK got blown up. TJ Cummings was absent, which is pathetic as a 290 DE. Jack Lippert was not ready for prime time and Shayne Hale and Ty Ezell hurt us badly.

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  37. Ya know... I predicted 6-6 this season...
    After last night...
    I'm not sure they Pitt can win more than 3 games this season...
    Those saying Pitt will win the Big East or 9-3 or 10-2 are clueless.

    Here is my next prediction... Pitt will go "0"fer in the Big East this season... their final season.. I guess they are going out with a bang...

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  38. Dokes...
    Time for you to hand out grades.... positions as well as coaches... and don't forget the S&G coach.

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  39. Let us not forget that these players are mostly recruited by the stache. Offense was good enough to win. The defense lost this game - period! PC is held responsible. Just sayin

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  40. I like Paul Chryst, but like anthing else his, simple, humble, good guy-approach will not last if it does not get better. The lack of a game plan on d is what is so alarming. It was like the Navy-Pitt game with Dave W coaching a few yrs ago. They went up the middle with the run, play after play and Pitt never adjusted the line backers from 5 yds deep. Listen, they need to have a better showing and be more creative on D. It was a joke of a first game and makes Pitt look bad all around. Peterson can only have a pass so long as well. I, being a supporter of Peterson, thinking he has done more good than bad, will not listen to any more BS about the football team. His hiring of coaches including how he went about it is subject to question. Not looking at anyone without head coaching experience the first time and saying he did a background check of Haywood was a joke. Either they need to get serious and take accountability or this going to be like a presidential election-- of just say what we want cause people are to stupid to figure it out.

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  41. Can someone start firestevepeterson.com?

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    1. Start? You're joking....right? LOL

      Well, here's one:

      https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Steve-Pederson/187890671222201

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  42. This is not meant to imply a lack of talent against a lower division foe because there aren't many excuses for what happened last night AND there is talent in the program. The bigger issue with this team is that it's full of student athletes who are damaged goods. Not only have the last two recruiting classes been "lost" (because of late season coaching changes) and a miss-mash of talent for opposite schemes on both offense and defense, the two previous classes have been through the ringer and showed no fight. Their will has been broken and regardless of who is coaching this team, until they are out of the program we will see games like this.

    The lack of leadership at the player level is obvious...no one is having fun out there. The quicker Chryst identifies his future younger leaders the better (I'm looking at you Voytik). The current group of upperclassmen are not role models and the longer they are in those types of positions the more it will permeate through the rest of the team. Based on the circumstances the last few years I can't fault them but it's a new day and time to clean house.

    It certainly doesn't help that Pitt has a rookie Head Coach not exactly know for riveting and passionate, rallying the troops type excitement. It's a recipe for disaster and I'm afraid it won't be a quick fix. Regardless of who was coaching this team, these issues were already front and center. Chryst needs to find out who still has fight and play them. This team needs an infusion of spirit more than anything because right now they don't play with any heart or excitement.

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    1. You act like they are infants. Coaching changes happen all the time and kids are only there for a couple years anyways. Ohio state is doing just fine with a new coach and way more off field issues than Pitt. Stop with the excuses. It's YSU for Christ sakes, just win.

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  43. Where was the excuse? No excuse for the loss - but if you think the coaching turnover hasn't contributed to the effort you're nuts. They played with no heart or passion last night - that is on the players as much as it's on the coaching staff.

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    1. You're making the excuse that coaching changes hurt the players effort. Lame, lame. Happens all the time. If you don't put in effort you get benched. It was YSU, not Alabama.

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  44. ...and players come to the school because of the coach not the school regardless of what the NCAA says. If you're two coaches removed from the guy who recruited you're starting from scratch again to prove yourself it will fuck with your head. Not infants but not many life experiences yet.

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    1. transfer then if you can't take it. It's D-1 football, not pee wee. SEC school make the players prove themselves every year. Wake up.

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    2. Come on anon, be nice, don't expect the players to play hard for a new coach. they play for the same one for 20 years, oh wait, only 4 years.

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  45. Since when is the Big East the SEC? I agree it's lame but you don't think the situation the last two years at Pitt has played a role you are blind. I understand you want to win but these are college kids not professionals playing in the NFL. I was disappointed in the effort and that's on the players. The coaches can only do so much with players they inherited which is why they better pick up their game in the recruiting arena. Pitt's in a bad situation all around right now and last night's game proved...and I wasn't making an excuse - I blamed the players and logically used that as the reason...after all there is a reason for everything.

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    1. So you'd rather pitt and the big east suck instead of getting better like the sec? Bench the players then. If they are so heartbroken they can't play for wanny two years later they can ride the pine. Please explain how arizona state can handle a new coach? Or ohio state? Or miami when coker took over, (he won the national title)? Rubbing the players on the back and making them feel sorry for themselves cause of coaching changes is an excuse. Play football.

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    2. Dude - I think you are misunderstanding me...I'm blaming the players and only the fucking players. Read my original post again...I even said it's time to clean house. Are you pissed because I said multiple coaching changes have affected the product on the field?

      Well, guess what...it has. Pitt's not Ohio State. We don't have the recent history, successful recruiting classes or National Championship winning coach at the helm...we have a first year head coach who took over for a coach who abandoned his team in the middle of the night who took over for a coach who beat his baby's mama who took over for a coach who was blindsided by his firing and was allowed to make spectacle of his exit.

      It's not as easy as simply saying "Play Football".

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    3. Grab a tissue or maxi pad..geez.

      Keep making excuses.

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  46. PC's biggest mistake seems to be the hiring of the D coordinator.

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  47. I just think it's hilarious to watch these commercials now where the guys talk about "pride" and representing their "city" and "school."

    Because I saw absolutely no pride last night, nor did I see leadership, and certainly not a good representation of city or university.

    Shameful, all around.

    As far as the coaches go - this staff is awful. It's an inexpensive staff, and it's definitely not a good one.

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  48. May I propose AD Petersen fire Chryst and go for the big hire in Henry Winkler as head coach, Adam Sandler at inside linebacker, deep six the Gatorade and stock up on Jack Daniel's! It's Mudcat time in western PA. M-M-M-ama says Pitt no good at foosball.

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  49. Mario Cristobal should have been the hire. Back to the Hackett days of disastrous football and another failed attempt at a good hire. The bozo PITT alumni and the impotent AD Petersen have dismantled yet another era of Pitt football. When will you guys ever learn? I put you "believers" a notch below the Nutting believers. I say Chryst should get 4-5 more games to improve and then Petersen and Chryst should be fired immediately. If this were to take place I'd immediately go after Mark May as Pitt's AD and go from there.

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  50. Nordy and Pederson will both be gone right after Pitt enters the ACC. Hopefully Pederson before that. At that point, Pitt can get an AD and a President that really knows how to support an athletic program.

    Hear me, this loss is the culmination of years of mismanagement at the administrative level. Players subjected to this type of carousel, end up pointing fingers and making excuses. Woe is them. Paul Chryst needs to bench those that show no heart. He needs to bench his qb and let his freshman qb start his career. Actually, they need to play all of their freshmen and start weeding out the non-contributor's, which will lead to more scholarships. I know Joe, recruiting. Let PC get his type of kids in here. In the interim, get an upgrade in administrative support.

    I am frustrated, but not worried. Pitt and Chryst will be fine once we get an administration that values sports....ummm, like osu,lsu,wvu, usc and many more. Until such time, we are who we are. Put someone like olly luck and pat hayden or barry alvarez and tom osbourne as your ad at Pitt and you can start to win. Keep pederson and we get another 10 years of carousel. Pitt is not far off.

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  51. Serious question. Does this loss matter that much if the team makes a whopping turnaround and beats Cinci Thurs?

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  52. Now...
    if Pitt would have hired Stoops, Stoops, Stoops.. (Mark)..
    he would have brought he brother... the LB coach and recruiting coordinator for YSU!!

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    1. That does look like the better hire now but, but I'll stand by Chryst for a few years if it turns out as badly as this, it will be heart breaking. I'm not hoping that PC fail unlike some. An unbelievably bad start.

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  53. Jody, stop already. Had Steve P given Coach Chryst enough money for coaches, he would have kept his OL coach instead of letting him go to Tampa. Steve is cheap, always has been and doesn't understand the collegiate game. And before anybody tries to say anything about the coach would have gone to the nfl anyway because of the professional advancement, I say this. Cash talks, bs walks.

    Pederson is not committed to winning. He does everything on the cheap unless he is forced to pay (see jamie dixon). Why is it so hard for people to look at what he did at Nebraska. Solich seems to be a really good coach. IT'S PEDERSON!!!! Chryst needs to stay, Pederson got to go!! He is polarizing!! Find me someone (coach) at either nebraska or pitt that truly respected him. Before you respond our own JD, realize JD is not about to criticize his boss, the tyrrant.

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  54. To all the Tino supporters out there keep this in mind. WVU gave up similar points to Marshall on Saturday. The difference is they scored 69 of their own points not 17. End of story.

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    1. Well, there is a big difference...Marshall scored when the game was over and second string in. Not saying Tino was a world beater but way different.

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  55. Chris - Can you explain how a loss like this impacts recruiting? I have to believe Foster isn't thrilled.

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  56. It's no secret that I wasn't a fan of this hire, not because I thought that there was no chance of him succeeding, but rather because I thought there were much better possibilities out there to succeed. Pitt needs a dynamic leader and recruiter. Chryst is the opposite of that and it still boggles my mind how bad Pitt is that. BUT I could always be wrong and I hope I am. The truth is, Chryst has coached just one game and let's see how he handles this horrible start before we discount him forever.

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  57. Chris, remind me again who you wanted as a coach? Was cristobal the only big name out there I can't remember? There wasn't many options of big name coaches that wanted to come here. Btw, why do people care so much about the name on the back of the jersery? This is college sports not professional.

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    1. Of the mediocre candidates, I would have preferred Cristobal, but I would have preferred that for once Pitt would act like a major football program and really get aggressive in hiring a head coach. They should pony up the dough, raise the budget for the entire program, and live up to their potential as an excellent program. If they can't, then keep getting decent, not great, coaches, and don't fire them when they have decent, not great, seasons.

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  58. I think enough has been seen out of coach Chryst to make an assessment! The program is in shambles. No more excuses or dilly dallying. PITT Football is an embarrassment to the City of Pittsburgh, The University of Pittsburgh, the student body and whatever is left of its fan base. I've been a fan since my dad took me to my first game in 1975. No more! No more wishing and hoping. From now on I spend my saturdays elsewhere until there is some accountability within this program.

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    1. For sure. They called and wanted money, I told them none till Steve Peterson is fired.

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  59. I agree that Peterson must go. He has killed two great football programs, Nebraska and Pitt. But he isn't the only program. Pitt has been cheap for years. They have to pay to get top coaching talent and be willing to hire someone who is agressive and experienced. I know they couldn't or wouldn't pay for the likes of Urban Meyer. But there were better guys available. If we were going middle-of-the-road I would have gone for Cristobal. If we were going to be aggressive I would have gone for Kevin Sumlin or Mike Leach.

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    1. All you had to do was pony up as much as the Alum does who wanted Chryst.

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  60. Simple solution:

    Outsource the running of the Pitt football program to the Rooney Family.

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  61. I read Dorian Johnson will be attending the Pitt v VT game...
    Wonder which sideline or if in a seat?
    Anyway, can kiss that recruit goodbye after that game if Pitt loses...
    Remember, it was the WVU game win that cause several recruits attending the game to commit... Shanny, Baldwin, etc.

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    1. Or the positive spin is he sees the O-Line and says "Damn, I could start right now"

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  62. Chris,

    If Pitt wins less than 4 games this year which is a very distinct possibility, what are the chances that Pitt just blows up the program i.e. fire Pederson, Chryst and the entire staff and place a big time emphasis on FB?

    I was going to suggest that with our apathetic fan base we just drop down to the FCS level but with Pitt now joining the ACC, that would not be possible - practical but now not possible.

    Anyone with a brain knew that the Chryst hire was a terrible one - now, with this start, zero way Clement stays committed to Pitt and I bet others will too.

    Pederson hires:

    1) - Harris - good one (at the time at least)
    2) - Callahan - pathetic
    3) - Haywood - tried to go the cheap route - horrible
    4) - Graham - damage control hire - terrible fit.
    5) - Chryst - please stablilize the program with Caspar Milquetoast.

    And, here we are and Pederson still has a job.

    We MUST fire Pederson period.
    And, unless Chryst wins more than 3 games, he MUST go as well.

    We're getting a bunch of $ going to the ACC - eat the $, get real serious about Big Time FB and move on!

    Hire Wannstedt as the AD and my #1 choice for the head coaching job....Pete Carroll - he's no pro coach - still young enough to go out there and get the players that we need to compete on the national level.









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    1. They would never fire Chryst after this year, even if he deserves it, which I'm not saying he does.

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  63. As long as Nordy is still in charge he will never ver dismiss Pederson. Unfortunately, Pederson is still seen as oing a good job and coaching carousel was not his fault. Simply put, PITT admin doesn't put football at the top of their list....

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  64. Pitt just got a 3-star DB from NC. Anthony Covington. 5' 11" 195lbs. Scouting report is courtesy of ESPN which has him as a top 50 S and rivals has him as a top 60 CB

    Although Covington lines up as a corner back, we feel his size and athleticism are best suited for the defensive safety position at the major level of competition. Has the frame which appears capable of supporting additional bulk over time provided his quickness and playing speed are not adversely affected. We like his toughness and attempts to make the big hit however his tackling technique must be cleaned as there is the tendency to roll and not wrap up. With improved tackling, he should be productive as a special teams coverage defender. Is productive as a running back, demonstrating the toughness needed to earn tough yardage between the tackles; runs upright but demonstrates the playing strength to take a hit and pull through tackles for additional hard earned yardage after contact; does not appear to have a burst or second gear when at the second level. Playing both press and zone coverage, we detect some hip tightness when back pedaling and attempting to plant and break up on underneath throws; his instincts and route awareness puts him in position to make plays. Playing man coverage against inside receivers remains a possibility. This guy supports the run, demonstrating the ability to play the stalk block and limit yardage off the edge. Covington does not appear to be an immediate starter at the BCS level of play. Some time and perhaps a red shirt year may be necessary to polish his skills.

    And Joe D will supply his times in track. If he ran. LOL

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    1. BTW, his other offers were East Carolina, GT, Miss. St., UNC, NC St., Wake, the U, Minny, UVA, etc.

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    2. No track times found...
      based on his rival profile, he may have attended a combine... haven't found those actual results yet.

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    3. Ok... found the rivals/vto combine he went to...
      strange times for the 40...
      shows electronic time of 4.60... but hand time of 4.69... hand times are normally faster than electronic.
      4.12 shuttle. Looking at other athletes shuttle times... they appear too fast based upon 40..
      bottom line... the 40 time and shuttle time are suspect. For instance, an athlete that does a 4.9 40 can't do a shuttle in 4.3... but that is what it shows.
      30.6 inch vertical
      17 reps on bench... I'm assuming 185#.

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    4. Rule of thumb...
      Add .24 to hand time to get electronic "true" time.

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  65. Forget his 40 time. Look at his offers! Oklahoma, Miami,FL, WVU and many others. This is a good get by the staff on a night when things to somemay look bad. These players see an opportunity to play early because Paul Chryst will clean house this year if the current players don't start producing. I like the move.

    If you are the big three left on the board for Pitt, they must be drooling. Three productive years and they are in the league. The point is that they will know if they are good enough in three years versus waiting three years to see playing time at osu, alabama, tennessee and the like. What an opportunity!

    Look, Paul Chryst needs to be given four years so we can decide if he will make it. I trust he will. He is playing on the island of misfits right now. Let's see what he does with his own guys! In Chryst, we trust!

    Dang, I am having trouble cracking the codes to get in here..lol

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    1. Tend to disagree...
      Skill players need to have speed... especially DB's.
      It appears Covington doesn't have speed.
      Not a great get in my book... but not bad either. We already have a bunch of bad committs. (my opinion)

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  66. Why are people jumping on Pederson??
    Pederson didn't coach the game..

    Yes, Pederson hired Chryst but was under pressure to hire Chryst over other candidates by high level donors.
    Now, i wasn't a Christobel fan... due to his wife... he would be at Pitt for a short term (1-3 years)... he is waiting for the Miami job to open up... or some other Florida job to open up.

    I supported the Chryst hire.... until his 1st pressor... when I said he just doesn't get it with recruiting... and I've been beating that drum since. I thought he could coach... but as summer camp was rolling... I could see he was an anal coach who couldn't delegate... a control freak. He is not HC material..

    Chryst will be here for 2-3 years minimum... but I can see Pederson jumping on Chryst regarding assistants, etc by year end.

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    1. Why jump on Pederson?

      He completely bungled Wannstedt's (very much deserved) firing. It was a joke and a black eye.

      Then, he hires the most boring and easy choice available - Haywood. A guy who, at his introductory presser, didn't smile once, didn't seem happy, and then got arrested and subsequently fired, within 2 weeks. Pederson should've been fired for that alone.

      Then, he goes out and gets suckered by Graham, who leaves after one year. Fail.

      Finally, he hires Paul Chryst - who doesn't seem to have the personality at ALL to recruit well or to inspire. He's boring. And he hired a bad coaching staff. He's been slow to react to everything, to the point where recruits don't even know if they have offers. And in his first game, Pitt suffers arguably its most humiliating defeat ever.

      Furthermore, it would seem that Pederson was overruled about Cristobal. So, what exactly should he remain if he's getting overruled about coaches, and the ones he DOES bring in have been unmitigated disasters?

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    2. Pitt has been a mediocre football program at best since Sherrill left because Ed Bozik clashed with him, actually Ed thought they could plug in any coach and still win consistently. A bad move, Ed was the first of many poor choices for Pitt AD, then couple those poor AD choices with some of the stellar coaching hires.

      To me I never see Pitt returning to the "glory" days.

      The fundamentals are just not there, mainly money, I am pretty sure the Pitt football program made $5.0 million in a recent listing, contrast that with Texas that pulled in $68 million. Pitt's football budget is tight and the more they lose on the field the less money they will make. The money from the administration to pay top coaches top money is just not there, fan support is dwindling and the college game day atmosphere at Heinz is just not there.

      I love Pitt but reality is reality, at least we have a great basketball program.

      It's going to be a long football season.

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    3. JoeD - good comment. Folks have a hard time breaking this stuff into logical chunks and want to jump right to where their pre-conceived biases reside.

      SP haters .... team loses, its Pedersons fault
      Tino haters...team loses, its Tino's fault
      Chryst doubters.....you get my point

      Regarding your comment:

      "I could see he was an anal coach who couldn't delegate... a control freak. He is not HC material."

      He may or may not turn out to be a good one, but everyone should remember that this is his first HC job. Ever. I'd offer that there is a transition to be made from an OC to an HC job and part of that involves learning how and what to delegate. He will figure it out or he won't. But its fair to say that he's still in O-J-T mode, whether folks accept that or not.







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  67. Jody, "tend to disagree" hahahahahaha. That is the most correct thing you have ever typed.

    The Pitt Admin is dysfunctional. A boss is forced to hire a subordinate. Typically, this doesn't work out well because the AD wants to be proven right. As such, he won't give the support (i.e. $'s) to the Head Coach to hire the best assistants and recruiters. It limits success and if you can't understand ego's, than the corporate world has escaped you. That is how it works, or more precisely, that is why it doesn't work.

    Tell me which college athletic program was successful under Steve Pederson's watch. He has taken two storied programs and trashed them. To hear him tell it, he was rebuilding troubled programs. So what was it actually? Pick a side. Rebuilding a troubed program or getting to the next level of a solid program. Either stance has ended in failure and it all goes back to the top. Nordy and Pederson are the CEO's, not Chryst, Graham, Haywood, Wanny. The CEO's failed. How many more changes below do you want before you point the finger at the culprits, the CEO's?

    The right coach is here. Loosen up the purse strings and let him bring his guys in here and pay them. Commit to getting the best and being the best. The problem is that Pederson talks about being the best (and actually sells nordy on that principle), but can't deliver. He must go. Now.

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    1. The budget for the assistants is the same that Graham had from what I remember... Bostok, Rudolph, etc did not come cheap. $2million budget for assistants.

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    2. But they never re-invested Bosticks money when he left for the NFL. They should have a lot of unused money. They may have given partial bumps since some coaches got moved up but I cant imagine that would cover what he was supposed to get.

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  68. Some of you guys are borderline funny, blaming Saturday night’s abortion on Wanny, Graham, Nordy, Bush 43, and any number of other people. Make no mistake, that was a poorly-coached sleepwalking team that was barely (and perhaps NOT even) ready to play a WPIAL team, let alone a decent college team. So let’s start by laying the blame where it belongs: Chryst & his assistants.

    The funniest ones are those blaming Steve Pederson, calling for his resignation. If anything, he’s safer now than he was a year ago. Did you see his interview at halftime? He looked like a guy who was leading by 2 TDs, not losing. From several accounts, he didn’t want Chryst, that choice was forced on him thru a super-booster. He has a get-out-of-jail-free card.

    Back to Paul Hackett, errr, Chryst. Houston also lost badly to a 1-AA team this weekend: Texas State. Their Defensive Coordinator resigned in shame (or honor?) after the game despite it being Week 1. Where’s the accountability & honor on this staff?

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    1. If Stevie doesn't hire a football coach then what is the point of having him as AD?

      Agree with everything else you said though.People blaming Wanny is the funniest. It's been two years, in college fb that is forever.

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  69. Teams tend to take on the personalities of their coaches. Our head coach is a laid-back, tired-sounding, nice guy. So why should we be surprised that Pitt plays laid-back, tired, and nice?

    Contrast that with Colorado State out here, on nobody’s map. But the Rams fed off the energy of their new/ first time head coach, Jim McElwain (former OC at Alabama) to beat a much more talented Colorado team on Saturday.

    Looks like Pitt hired the wrong former OC as a first-time coach. And it ‘aint money: Pitt is paying Hackett (errr, Chryst) & staff more than CSU is paying McElwain & staff.

    If Graham was high octane, pedal to the metal, then I guess Hackett (errr, Chryst) is kerosene, ride the brakes. And I’m already as sick of low-octane football after one game as I ever was of high octane.

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    1. Yep...
      Chryst lacks that fire in the belly..
      He is that analytical, anal, control freak type... can't delegate... can't lead..

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  70. First of all, were are you getting this “control freak” “can’t delegate” info from. Of all the articles I’ve read on Chryst, I hadn’t heard that one before.

    Second, that “low octane” offense you’re referring to looked better in its first game than Todd Grahams “high octane” offense looked all of last season.

    MC

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    1. watch video of the practices on pittpanther website...
      who is running it, etc..
      when questioned, who is calling the plays... non-answer.
      I figured a cluster fuck..
      Remember the 4th and 1... play took long to get in... snapped with 1 sec (and not on purpose)..

      I don't understand Chryst's pressors..
      what does... things we need to "clean up" mean?
      I saw some very basic stuff they couldn't do on defense... like tackle. I mean... wtf..

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  71. To all the ranters,

    Take a deep breath ladies.

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  72. Most of you guys are ridiculous. How many people are calling for Bill O'Brien to be fired? Relax. Give the guy/coaches/team a chance. Yes, it was a terrible loss and display of football. I get that. But to call for all these guys to be fired right now is ridiculous. And I'm really sick of the "I told you so" attitude that so many of you have taken towards Chryst and the team. IT'S ONE GAME! If we don't win a game or we only win a couple games over the next year or two, then the heat is on. We're all frustrated with our football program and where it has been for years. But you don't plant an apple tree today and get apples tomorrow.

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    1. Yeah but it's the manner in which they lost and to who, their defense was pushed around at will. Just think tomorrow they are playing a real FBS team that has better players than YSU, it is going to be a very long season with Mr. Excitement now coaching the Panthers.

      Pitt's fan support is dwindling, it looked to me that there were more yellow seats showing than fans. Pitt should have hired a coach that had previous college head coaching experience. Mr. Excitement is learning on the job, it is clearly evident.

      If they only win a couple of games this year and next, Mr. Excitement will be gone because Pitt cannot afford to further alienate what little of a fan base it has.

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    2. You are spot on. I planned to attend a game this year but not now. Why should I make a 200 mile trip for that. I would suspect there are many more fans like me.

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    3. There are very few people on this blog or other blogs who can say... "I told you so"..
      very few...
      Many on this blog and other blogs were predicting 8-4 or better...

      My prediction was 6-6... now I'm not sure they can win 6!!
      Quite frankly, next year is worse based upon the roster and ACC schedule.

      I would say to fire the S&G coach... and I've emailed Pederson and others at Pitt football of such.

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    4. Joe D...

      I may have missed something, but what is an S&G coach ? Is there some joke about Pitts strength and conditioning coach ? Or did chryst give him some stupid title that starts with a G ?

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    5. Oooppppssss
      type... S&C...
      and they refer to him as the yoga instructor..

      please note the strength of dline and oline...

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  73. Joe D - maybe its time for PITT to decide how important they view football. My take is that football is an afterthought and if we win fine and if we don't that's fine as well.

    I just don't see this team wining 6 games albeit tomorrow will be an indicator. Any predictions on the score?
    It really hurts to say thiis but I'm going with a loss 35 - 24.....

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    1. I said before the season started...
      For Pitt to go 6-6... the defense has to put points up on the board or put the "O" in great field position with turnovers, etc...
      we were hearing all about how the DB's were loaded, etc...
      if the "D" can't do that... it will be a long season.

      For Sunseri... he just can't "lose" the game... ie interceptions, fumbles, sacks, etc...

      Cincy will win by 10... only 4 days to prepare/turn team around...

      If Pitt football is an afterthought... then they should have kept Wanny...

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    2. Joe, they should have kept WLAT, Wanny was no upgrade, yes WLAT was a headcase but he at least took them to a BCS bowl and beat PSU, his last 3 years they were 9-4, 8-5, 8-4.

      Since then we have had 6 head coaches (count 2 for bowl games) and seasons of 5-6, 6-6, 5-7, 9-4, 10-3. 7-5, 6-7 and 0-1.

      We are mediocre!

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  74. Ahhhh, the afterthought. Pay Haywood a hell of a lot less money than they were paying Wanny.

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  75. Not a big stretch when the vegas line is 4.5. I have seen your predictions start at 6-6 and end at 8-4 like most others. My prediction was 1-0 after the first week and I was wrong, although I did indicate that YSU had very good talent on the OL and that their backs and short passing game would give our LB's fits.

    What I didn't say was that our defense did not get pressure on the opposition. Pressure causes mistakes. Mistakes cause turnovers. Pitt lost the turnover battle and lost the game. Pitt could not impact the game defensively. Most college games are won by the team with the least amount of turnovers.

    That was one good thing that our DC did last year, caused impactful plays. Big plays impact outcomes. When you go vanilla, the chances of getting turnovers decreases proportionately. I like Pitt to win tomorrow because I am a fan. I will be rooting for them.

    FIU and Mario Cristobal, the greatest thing since sliced bread, lost to Duke of all teams by over 20 points. He has been there since 2007 and his record is an impressive 26-40, against lesser competition. I like our guy better. Let's see what his record is in 6 years.

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    1. I wasn't a Cristobal fan... due to his wife and strong ties to Florida... didn't want a HC for 3 years.
      My #1 was Stoops.. (Mark)
      2. Franklin (he went to Vandy)
      I forget who my 3rd was..

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    2. Cristobal may very well end up as somebody who is not a top coach at an elite level but he has done an excellent job at FIU. The obstacles he overcame were many. He took over the worst program in the country.

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  76. I know many, myself included thought Sunseri had a strong game last Saturday. But hypothetically speaking, if Pitt gets blown out tonight any chance we see some of the young guys get more reps? (Anderson or Voytick? I'm a strong supporter in allowing the best player to play regardless of age or eligibility.

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    1. Strong game? REALLY?? In my opinion, he was mediocre at best.

      The best I can say about him is that at least he didn't singled-handedly blow the game like he did so many times last year.

      How many points did Pitt leave on the field Saturday night from his scatter-arm and multiple overthrows to wide open receivers? That's not indicative of a strong game from your QB.

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    2. Some people on this site are really blindSeptember 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM

      Sunseri missed a few throws, but how many points were left on the field because of a fumble, dropped balls or missing a block on 4th down?

      Sunseri right now is the least of their troubles, their defense is horrid. They gave up 31 points to YSU, not tOSU and to boot YSU had long sustained drives and frankly kicked their ass up and down the field.

      I don't think Marino could have rescued Pitt from YSU, remember very few QB's complete all of their passes all of the time, this team has multiple problems and right now Tino isn't one of them.

      Unless Anderson or Voytick can shed a block and tackle they are pretty much not going to help.

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  77. Chris - Your thoughts on the basketball OOC schedule? Seems pathetic to me for a program like Pitt.

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  78. Wow... just saw ESPN interview of Dorian Johnson...
    Pitt #1... then OSU... then VT...
    even after loss to YSU... he was question about the loss to YSU if that would change your mind... he said no.. giving Chyrst a pass for being 1st year coach...

    funny... none of the fans are giving Chyrst a pass for losing to YSU.

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    1. Johnson can step in and start right away at Pitt I'm sure it's tempting for him.

      He might have to sit a year at tOSU and VT.

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    2. ...and yet many are willing to speculate as to how these kids think.

      So, if Johnson is able to ignore the noise surrounding the YSU loss, I would also guess that Robert Foster could look right through a freshly baked pie. Just sayin...

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    3. Well, after Cincy annihilates Pitt and VT does to them what the Germans did to the Polish armed forces just over 73 years ago....methinks he'll be changing his mind.

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