Friday, October 5, 2012

Syracuse 14 Pittsburgh 13

Tough loss for Pitt, and some very big weaknesses were exposed.  The biggest problem, without a doubt, is the offensive line.  What else can I say, other than they're horrible?  Not one of them is any good.  I hate to be so mean about it, but they may be even worse than last season.

Other observations:

1. Ray Graham is quicker than most running backs in college football, but he's not nearly as quick as he used to be.  Having nowhere to run doesn't help.  He ended up with 24 carries for 57 yards.

2.  There are a lot of problems on this team, but Tino Sunseri isn't near the top of the list.  Is he excellent?  No. But he's clearly a much better quarterback in this system.  He ended up completing 25 of 33 passes for 319 yards.  He had no TDs, no interceptions, and was sacked 5 times.

3.  Syracuse entered the game averaging 487.5 yards a game and Pitt held them to 305 yards.  The Orange did not score an offensive touchdown after the first drive.  K'waun Williams was excellent and Lafayette Pitts and Aaron Donald had their moments.  But there are still some infuriating and unnecessary breakdowns.  And when they had to make the stop, they couldn't do it.

4.  Did I say the OL is awful?  Let me say it again.  They're awful.

5.  The tight ends have been disappointing this season.  J.P. Holtz plays well what little he's in there and he should be in there a lot more because Drew Carswell is living in LaLa Land.

 Bottom line, the Pitt defense held their opponent to almost 200 yards under their average and the offense couldn't even come up with 14 points.  This is the type of game that Dave Wannstedt would lose,and get criticized for, and there's no reason to let Paul Chryst of the hook with this one.  It's a bottom line business, and at the end of the day there was no reason why Pitt lost this game, except for the fact that they did it to themselves.  Win and they could have been 6-2 going into Notre Dame.  Now they will be lucky to have a winning record.  My biggest fear with Chryst was that he was going to be another Wannstedt and tonight's performance did nothing to ease those fears. But, he's not halfway through his first season and there's time for him this year, and at least a few years to come, to turn it around.

100 comments:

  1. On that last possession for Pitt all they had to do was run the ball 3 times and kick the game winner. Instead they call a screen pass....

    Of course, only Pitt could give up a sack on a screen pass...I guess it's back to reality for Pitt fans.

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  2. Honestly, Tino was good at times, but he made SO many mistakes. His pocket presence is just so bad at times, but it's hard to be too critical of him when the line was so bad. A very disappointing loss. I don't for a second think that Syracuse was the better team. That being said, a mobile QB would have killed Syracuse tonight. I am definitely looking forward to having a better athlete in the back in the future.

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  3. Chryst is a Wannstedt without the charisma and personality.

    Pitt is circling the drain as a football program. When they get into the ACC and win 4 and 5 games a year...it will all be over, nobody will care, and we'll be right back to the 1990's.

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    1. You're right, except it will be 2-3 wins per year. Just like the '90's. Pitt will have to live with these coaching decisions until it gets that bad and they can make wholesale changes under the shroud of complete apathy of the sporting world. Do anything earlier and they'll look even more like fools.

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  4. I think I've seen this same losing scenario 200 times over the last 3 decades.

    Nothing this team has done over the past 3 weeks changes the fact that it is a terrible football team. There isn't enough will within the university community to be good at this sport. And until they prove otherwise, we as fans shouldn't expect more than the mediocrity and ineptitude that we've seen over the last 30 years. It's a shame too. A program with as much current NFL success among its alumni shouldn't be so short-changed.

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  5. Pitt SHOULD have won this game 28-7 if not more.

    Infuriating to see them lose it. HOWEVER.. it is the first season with Chryst and there are a lot of things they did well too. So there IS hope.

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    1. I agree Hurriquake. Pitt left a lot of points on the field and with the way their defense played after the Orange's first possession, they should have won comfortably.

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  6. Chris, is this staff pursuing any JUCO offensive linemen? Are there even any worth persuing?

    It seems to me the height of idiocy for them to ignore the offensive line and hope whatever talentless individuals return next year improve, along with a bunch of very lowly-rated recruits (and maybe a Dorian Johnson, but who knows there). JUCO should be a route they attack.

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    1. Yeah, they are. Usually that's the last resort for coaches unless they are ready to step in right away.

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    2. I think we can safely say that we've reached the last resort/desperation time for the offensive line.

      I seriously cannot remember a worst offensive line since maybe Walt's second or third year.

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  7. Just looked at the stats. On the 30 1st and 10s for Pitt, they ran 19 times for 38 yards. They passed 11 times. Two were sacks and Sunseri completed 6 of 9 for 78 yards.

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  8. Chris,

    First of all, there is no such thing as another Wannstedt. They come around only once in a program's lifetime.

    Secondly, the team obviously came out wanting to run the ball but the offensive line was not up to the task. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are not the most athletic bunch in the world. Everything the coaches get out of them has more to do with the schemes than anything else.

    Thirdly, forget about quoting stats in regards to Tino. The ground penalty deep in Cuse terriroty with the game on the line trumps any stats.

    Fourthly... try to avoid going off the deep end. There are some more big wins to come this year despite this team's shortcomings in terms of talent and depth.

    Fifthly... there is not fifth. It's all gone.

    PittofDreams

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  9. Thanks Pitt of Dreams!
    Thirdly, forget about quoting stats in regards to Tino. The ground penalty deep in Cuse terriroty with the game on the line trumps any stats. These are the stupid plays that kill a game!

    First of all, there is no such thing as another Wannstedt. They come around only once in a program's lifetime. What is this game 5 and we want to hang him? Give me a break! His game plans are what keep Tino looking good and he can't coach up awful O-lineman!

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    1. But why did he have to do that? Maybe because he was getting pressure because his oline is horrible?

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  10. This goes back to all those who made the comments before regarding Tino never leading a 4th qtr comeback in his career. I thought he played pretty well for the most part. BUT, there are still those moments where I want to chuck my remote off the TV while I scream what are you thinking! His few mental mistakes (and they do seem to be getting less) kill our chances of winning. On a team of this caliber, every mistake is magnified. We're not good enough to make big mistakes and get away with still winning. To me, this game is on Carswell and Tino. I know you can point fingers after every loss if you want to.....but after 3 years of this stuff it's hard to bear. That int grounding penalty on our last drive changed momentum and killed everything we had going. You hope Voytik doesn't "learn" these tendencies by watching his elder play week in and week out.

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  11. They are who we thought they were!!
    I said 6-6 at beginning of season... now I'm not sure Pitt can win 6 games.

    The fumble that was ran back for TD hurt...
    as did the missed FG by Harper.

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  12. The Very Old Track CoachOctober 6, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Pitt's oline is nonexsitent, how many times was Sunseri sacked, hurried and hit? The offensive coaching staff is very slow to impliment any game adjustments and the play calling is suspect.

    The defense has come a very long way, the game adjustments are quicker and effective.

    Chryst will be another mediocre headcoach like Pitt has had since 1982.

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  13. This is a repeat of the last three years. When Pitt has an opportunity to win a game, the opposing defense decides to run blitz and put Pitt in 2cnd and long or 3rd and long. If Pitt decides to mix it up and throw early, the OLine is not good enough to prevent pressure. Once pressure occurs, our QB cannot handle it well. This theme will continue to play out over the remainder of the year.

    The joke is on Pitt here. Every DCoordinator knows how to beat Pitt if the game is close. Run blitz, run blitz and run blitz. Run blitzes beat a mediocre line and less than mediocre QB every time.

    That said, JP Holtz if he remains uninjured in his career at Pitt will be in the NFL. He is a monster that loves to compete. His heart is bigger than the oline heart. Has anyone noticed that we do not have any "nasty" OLinemen? No passion. Noone that wants to pancake their opponent on every play. It's a mindset and I expect Coach to develop several of those over the next year. TJClemmings also played well as did Donald, albeit during the second half only.

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  14. This is truly back to the future. After all the coaching fiasco we went through we are right back where we started from - The Wanny years....

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  15. If we play like this what will happen against FSU/Clemson?

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  16. Until you get the personnel in place to prevent the opposition from run blitzing on every down the results will remain as they are and have been.

    Hit more receivers in stride and put points on the board and everything else will begin to fall into place.

    That will not happen this season.

    It all starts and ends under center.

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  17. We are the Oakland Raiders of NCAA. Had a run in the 70's and early 80's. Sucked for 20 years minus a SBowl run with Gruden and a few joke BCS games. Raiders blow threw Coaches as did Pitt. Al Davis = Pederson.

    There are some signs of turning it around but we've been here way to many times to believe it will happen. It's hard to buy in.

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    1. What signs? They haven't been to a BCS bowl since 2005.

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  18. Extremely disappointing loss, but sadly it didn't surprise me. We've seen this program pull a loss from the jaws of victory more than a few times. When a game is on the line and someone needs to shine in a critical moment, the more likely scenario is a mental or physical mistake.

    As Chris has said, the O line is awful. This is the area of greatest need, which I'm sure Chryst knows.

    As far as Tino, while he had good stats and his line didn't do him any favors, with the game on the line he wilted as he usually does. He is never able to grab a game and make a huge play to pull out a victory. Instead, you can count on him making the kind of bonehead plays he made last night and willing Pitt to a loss.
    It defies belief that you go from the red zone to out of FG range in 2 plays.

    I'm sure he's a decent kid who tries hard, but I'm tired of seeing him make these kind of plays. We need a QB who can seize the moment and will his team to victory. Frankly, I can't wait until the Tino era is over.


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  19. When does BB season start?

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  20. Chris, I think you're wrong about the Wanny comment ... Chryst calls plays with a college mentality and not a pro mentality. I think he's much more like Walt. Lacks personality and charisma to truly excel. So I agree with you ... kind of. I will say this though, Walt's mediocrity was much more enticing and fun to watch than Wanny's. So, if I'm destined to watch 3 loss teams the rest of my life, I'd much rather have Chryst at the helm than Wanny. This alone makes the last 3 years worth it in my opinion. I do wish they would have swung for the fences with Leash though.

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  21. Wait a minute...
    many of the posters are saying this is like being back in the Wanny years...
    but they would rather keep Chryst over Wanny????

    Sorry... not me.
    We didn't fire Wanny to get "another" Wanny!!!
    Otherwise, should have kept Wanny.. he was good for the program if you don't look at the Win/Loss column.

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  22. I wanted Wanny fire. I've said before Pitt just needs to beat the teams it should and play entertaining football. Thats all we can ask for as Pitt fans. We cant expect to beat FSU on a regular basis but we should be able to beat mediocre BE teams like UConn, Cuse and Rutgers etc. I'd take 10-3 in ACC with a non conference with ND and PSU.

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    1. I wanted Wanny fired also...
      but if 8 wins is what we get regardless of HC..
      and knowing Wanny would have retired from Pitt...
      I would take Wanny and 8 wins over the carousel of HC's...

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    2. Why settle. I dont know if PC is the answer but I rather have a chance at elite status and risk 6 wins seasons then not settle for mediocrity year after year.

      Thats on Pederson to find the guy. I dont understand how he has not taken any of the responsibilty for whats been going on.

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    3. Every coach deserves atleast 3 years to get his players and prove it. Hopefully PC is the guy but, the program is just frustrating.

      Foster and Johnson are must gets I dont care what some people on this blog say. We need program changers.

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  23. I forgot, Wanny got us on the cover of SI ... for police reports. Yep, great for the program. At least Chryst understands the college game ... which will make it more aesthetically enjoyable once he has an O-Line. Fact of the matter is that we're stuck with Chryst for probably at least 3 or 4 years. Hopefully, he outproduces his predecessors but I have my doubts because his overall "on the field" talent will always be a notch below the elite. His teams should at least get on par with Walt's as far as excitement and competitiveness goes.

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  24. I don't understand all the negative talk. I thought we played a great game and saw many positives. Take either the Drew Carswell fumble away, which I thought should've been called incomplete, or make the one field goal and we win this game. By the way the Cuse is a good team, they played USC tough and should've beat Northwestern. Although a disappointing loss, I think they're coming together as a team and believe we will have a lot of success going forward. They sure have come a long way from the YSU and Cincy debacles!

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  25. Love the cliff divers. Always entertaining.

    Especially when Pitt wins the next big one and all of a sudden it's back out of the water.

    PittofDreams

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  26. Just being real ... there were not a lot of positives in the game unless you add an "if" in front of them. "If' they had a good line. "if" they had stopped them in final 3 minutes. "if" they didn't fumble. "If" they didn't miss FG's. I'll be happy when we can say positive things about the team without "ifs". I have nothing against Chryst and, as I mentioned above, his teams will be fun to watch. I don't think Pitt will ever be elite under his stewardship though. I was a happy Pitt fan in the Walt Harris era and I anticipate the same with Chryst. "If" Pitt wants to start speaking titles again though - they are going to have to aim higher and dig deeper into their pockets.

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  27. Pitt has performed below average thus far this season and Pitt fans have every right to complain. That doesn't mean they will continue to do so, and, hell, they may beat Louisville next week, but none of that changes the fact that right now Pitt has not been very good. Facts are facts.

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    1. Disagree! The one guy (Donaldson????) was a beast on defense and played a great game. And there are ways to limit the big sacks Tino takes: one is shorter drops and getting rid of the ball no matter what and to stop the incessant double and triple pumps this kid has gotten into a habit of doing.
      Another aspect is predictability and spreading the ball around to some different players like they did against Va Tech. I saw one great pass to Saddler and then didn't see another ball go to the kid for the rest of the game. There is always more than one way to skin a cat and well we all know the definition of insanity don't we.

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  28. I don't know what game you guys were watching but we kick their butts. That's what really sucks, we beat this team except for the final score. They had one offensive touchdown and were shut down the rest of the game. We moved the ball offensively and I'm not sure how many times we didn't score when inside the 30. My point is that this team is good and has come a long way from not being able to get off the field on defense against YSU! For those of you like Tossing Thabeets who constantly negative you are nothing but Pedo state fans in disguise. I'm tired of the negative bullshit!
    HAIL TO PITT!!!

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  29. We haven't made any progress since WLAT was run out of town by the carpet bagger Jeff Long, WLAT was aloof but at least he made it to a BCS bowl. Chryst has no personality or charm and to boot his coaching is mediocre, I still think he was a bad hire

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  30. That is hilarious. I'm usually accused of being too optimistic. Just for the record, how was I being overly negative? The team is 2-3. The only significant win, agains VA Tech, is looking less and less impressive as the weeks go by. I said that it's a bad team now, but Chryst will make them a good one ... just not a great one. I also said even though they won't be great, they'll be fun to watch ... much more exciting than the Wanny teams were. Not negative, just reality. I didn't bash any players personally. I didn't say fire the coach. I didn't bitch about the play calling or schemes. I just made an honest observation that the team is not as good as some people think they are... and it sounds like you are the one with penn state envy. Relax.

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    1. :) I'll give you that, your observations. But Pedo State envy, that's funny. I just simply hate those f*&@s! As far as I'm concerned they should've shut down the football program and revoked their accreditation - Child rape and who knows what else. As far as you making that statement though reinforces my statement that you are a Pedo state fan in disguise!
      HAIL TO PITT

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    2. Oh by the way, BUSTED!

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    3. Pitt made a bad hire, I think WVU and PSU hired two good coaches, Pitt is going to finish 5-7 at best and they played a very easy non con schedule.

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  31. C'mon Chris, put it on the line.

    Is Pitt going to beat Louisville next week?

    May, could, should... does not cut it. What does your gut tell ya?

    PittofDreams

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    1. Pitt will lose to Louisville...

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    2. Actually Joe, I think they are going to get crushed, sort of like the Utah game last year

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    3. Louisville will beat Pitt. A 70% Graham and no Shell... forget it. This team will struggle to win 5 games.

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  32. Chris,

    C'mon man! Tino is a gutsy QB at best, but I'd like to see where he ranks amongst NCAA Division 1 QB's with the most intentional grounding penalties???? The kid chokes at the most crucial moments of a game. As a senior he should be feeling that pressure from the blind side, he should know where the outside of the tackle box lies. Just too many excuses for a senior QB.
    Chryst fell into the pseudo-Wanny style of play yesterday with predictable run attempts up the gut with a less than stellar and powerless Graham. Still can't understand why they won't get the ball to Cam Saddler more often and demand that Sunseri get rid of the damn ball in a quicker fashion?
    You can blame the O-line but Pitt could have and should have won that game yesterday. Not sure whether Tino actually gives this team its best shot to win anymore? There are options and maybe its time to rethink them or at least start platooning another QB in there when Tino makes those freshman mistakes. He's got to be held accountable like everyone else.

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  33. The talk about Chryst's lack of personality is a non-issue to me. Coaches who rely on personality/motivation do not win consistently.

    If nothing else, Chryst has shown that he is steady and does things his way no matter what. And that is a trait I like. Time will tell if "his way" is good, bad, or mediocre. Through 5 games, I've seen a lot of good movement towards building a solid foundation for the program; but I've also seen a lot of things that don't make sense. I think it's only fair to give Chryst 3 years before making a real judgment on him.

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    1. How long has Pitt been trying to build a foundation? Since the 80's ? Lack of a personality is everything, try going into a recruits home and being a wall flower.

      I guess the oline is a great example of building a solid foundation, they recruited poorly last year and other than Johnson they don't have anyone else that has promise. Chryst reminds me of Hackett.

      Go through coaches of top 10 programs, they have personality, charisma and they are characters. Chryst is a wall flower.

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    2. daveclt,

      Sports are ego driven and big personalities are absolutely important. Coaches who do not have that ego gene don't generally rise above the coordinator or position coach levels. Big Ego = Competitive.

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    3. First of all, you cannot seriously blame Chryst for the lack of o-line talent. Okay, maybe he gets about 10% of the blame.

      Second, in my opinion, the following coaches (past and present) have had long term success without the rah-rah personality:
      Chuck Noll, Tom Osbourne, Frank Beamer, Jamie Dixon, Bill Snyder.
      I would even add Urban Meyer to the list. Did you see him on ESPN last year? I couldn't watch him for longer than 5 minutes. Maybe he just has a bad on-air personality, but the guy is extremely boring.

      To be clear, I am not saying Chryst is a great coach. I'm just saying (1) he deserves 3 years before making a fair judgment, and (2) personality is overrated.

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    4. Every one of those coaches you mentioned were / are strong personalities save for Jaime ...and he's a rarity.

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  34. Chris - How much better of a program is WVU than Pitt right now?

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    1. WVU looks great right now...
      did you watch the game last night against Texas?

      WVU may be in the BCS championship bowl game... it won't be 2 SEC teams again...

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  35. I've heard several commentators defend Tino by saying he wasn't the only reason Pitt lost to Syracuse, that there were other factors at play.

    We all know football is a team sport, and that no one player is responsible for a loss. Obviously Tino wasn't the only reason Pitt lost. However, the QB is the highest profile and most important player on a team.

    A QB who makes mental errors at critical times like Tino did is going to have a huge impact on a game, and therefore will rightfully be open to criticism. A QB who crumbles under pressure and can't make plays when a game is on the line should be scrutinized.

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    1. You forgot to mention how shitty the oline played on mostly every snap or the fumble by Carswell or the slow adjustment of the oline as the game went along. Marino couldn't have helped them win that game because he would have been carted off on a stretcher. What are you going to do when Sunseri graduates? Blame the next QB, we have no quality offensive linemen, it shows!

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    2. Did you not read the post? I said specifically that Tino was not solely to blame for the loss, that there were other factors. Also, in a prior post I said that the O line is awful. However, just because the O line isn't good, doesn't excuse a 5th year senior QB from making critical errors when a game is on the line.

      I was pointing out that at critical times he invariably makes a poor decision or play. A QB sometimes has to come through in the clutch and make plays to pull out a game. I have no confidence whasoever that Tino has that ability. You can't blame a bad offensive line totally for Tino's inability to come through at crucial times.

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  36. It is comical that everyone is saying that several prospects are must gets. Really? This is where the bloggers are off base. Pitt is not a destination program....yet. It was at one point and I think it will be again. Right now, why would a 5 star or 4 star come here or to PSU? The reason they do is for the opportunity of early playing time and because they were or are a fan of the program and always wanted to be a Panther.

    Unfortunately, Pitt is crippled by a fan base that whines constantly. You have an AD that is considered a joke in the AD circles. Joke is on Nordy here. Other AD's say nice things about Pederson, hoping that is enough to keep him here so that they can keep beating Pitt in all sports, thus their program looks better. Nordy is a sucker!

    If Coach Chryst can keep this recruiting class together, even without Foster and Johnson, we will begin to turn the corner as soon as next year. Tino needs to go now and Chryst needs to get a plan for qb next year. Everyone is operating like it will be Savage. What if he is just a bigger Tino and craps at critical points in the game, what is the plan? Give Voytik meaningful snaps this year. At least he will know. Let Chapman compete for it in the spring/summer 2013. College football can be dominated by a stud QB. Luck, Griffin, Russ Wilson, GSmith and the list goes on.

    I am starting to think that Coach Chryst should pursue his nephew hard, if he is that good. Early indicators are that he is that good. Unfortunately, our current AD won't extend the HC and as such, all new recruits are thinking their man won't be here when they are seniors. That is how AD's mess up programs and ours just needs to be replaced asap. Wake up Nordy! Your peers are mocking you and you don't even know it. Attend a higher education summit and you will hear it all day, every day! Laugh @ Pederson.

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  37. Oh, and for those trying to blame someone other than the qb, listen up. Our particular qb touches the ball offensively, every snap. You could forgive the poor decisions if he was making equally great plays that put POINTS on the board. He doesn't do that. Because he can't finish, he loses. Hence the record with him under center. Case closed. Next.

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  38. Your posts should be closed Huff - you say the reason that top recruits come to Pitt is early playing time?

    Why would they want to play for a loser?

    So, if they're THAT good then why not redshirt a year with a great program i.e OSU and then start for a great team vs. play as a freshman - wow, big deal and spend 4 years at Pitt vs. OSU?

    You think Foster and Johnson would come to Pitt if they lived in Idaho? Schell too? And we all know why he chose Pitt over Alabama.

    To be close to his twinkies.

    Whiney fans??? You're the one bitching about Sunseri. Did you see the last 3 games?

    "Tino needs to go now." ^^^See Above please^^^ And burn Voytik's redshirt - brilliant.

    You must be on the coaching staff having witnessed both Spring ball and Fall camp - you've seen Voytik take all of the snaps in practice and compared him with Sunseri - sry, forgot.

    Sunseri played well the last 3 games - in your words..."case closed".

    The O-Line is terrible - cannot run OR pass block. Tino has had some horrible games in his career no question - not the last 3. But, bench him in favor of Voytik - yep, that's what we need to do.

    No, Trey Anderson and give us NO chance.

    The AD should extend the HC....NOW???? Really????

    Were you in favor of extending Hackett too?

    That would have been brilliant....like your posts.

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  39. Doke

    walts agent said that we are no better than an 8 or 9 win team. i think that he was right, unless, we start recruiting south of the mason dixon line hard, real hard.

    each year when i look at the parade, espn, and sporting news all americans they are primarily from down south (and some out west). if you want further poof, look at the WVU roster and how many are from southern states like florida, texas, georgia and virginia.

    i dont want any wpial players. i am convinced that the second tier southern players are better than the stars up here...

    Doke, is my logic wrong

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    1. You are spot on in my opinion..
      WVU has speed.... and wpial players are slow, slow, slow.

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    2. Pitt never should, or would, turn against WPIAL players and it's a fallacy that Pitt has always had a lot of WPIAL players. They haven't had as nearly as many as people think, even in the glory days. This year Pitt only has 4 so far. There are about 5 or 6 kids in the WPIAL every year that are must gets, regardless of position. This year it was Robert Foster, Tyler Boyd, Dorian Johnson, Scott Orndoff, and Patrick Kugler. And there's nothing wrong with getting some kids like Zach Challingsworth occasionally. Not even southern teams recruit 25 speed demons.

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  40. @Moody - WVU extended Holgorsen before the season because the AD understands the college game. He didn't know WVU would be ranked in the top 6 and undefeated right now. He looks good and Holgy is sewn up! Pitt AD keeps Chryst @ 4 years and with the musical chairs with the Pitt head coaching position lately, I guess you and a recruit would think that equates to stability. Program stability is extremely important with recruiting. Your articulation of the problem is brilliant, not. If you don't think stability is an issue, talk to the recruits and their high school coaches. The response you will hear most often is "let's see how this plays out". The university AD will not commit to Chryst and when a coach goes in to recruit a player with three years left on a contract, it gets used against him. Learn the game grasshopper before you spout off. You will be the first one to complain when in year three of four, Paul Chryst leads the team to 9 or 10 wins and leaves. If you believe in your coach like WVU did, you sew them up. If you don't, you have a wounded coach who can't recruit because of the AD lack of support.

    Tino needs to go. He throws a nice field goal. Pitt needs to look to the future. Tino had his shot. The elite programs handle it this way. They evaluate kids to see if they will contribute. Once they are deemed not able to contribute, they usually disappear from the roster, freeing up a schollie for the next year. That is the reality. Pitt needs to use the rest of the season to evaluate the young talent to see who can contribute. Leaving it all on Savage next year is too risky. What if he gets injured or just fails? What is the back-up plan? According to you, we should then use Voytik or Anderson who have, ummm, nary a snap between them. Then, next year becomes the experiment and Chryst doesn't get extended and the snowball gets bigger.

    You may wish to re-read my post (if you can without puking or having an ability to discern the salient points). There were a few reasons stated as to why recruits would come to Pitt. I did leave out the history of putting bodies in the NFL.

    I haven't whined yet and in fact support the program religiously. Whining is not pointing out the flaws of a 25 year old quarterback that doesn't finish. I think Chryst has seen enough and changes are coming. Whining is constantly saying doom and gloom, pitt sucks, always have, always will, every recruit is slow and had no other options, etc. I am not whining about Sunseri. I agreed that he gave us the best shot to win the BE Title, but with that out of reach, it is time to evaluate the talent. We can't put in Savage, so it is best to see what the kid can do.

    Plan to fail or fail to plan?

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  41. Huff they suck no QB could survive our oline woes, Chryst for all of offensive accolades takes way to long to adjust, number 78 is horrible rotate a TE or FB to help him, they did but it was too little too late. The play calling? Idiotic, a screen pass ?

    You are blind, open your eyes the root cause is lack of talent on the oline, the cupboard is bare and maybe 1 recruit (Johnson ) may be able to help, Chryst is clueless has no personality and to recruit players to play at Pitt you better be a master salesman because.

    If you were a recruit why would you go to Pitt? Academics ? Every university offers that, tradition ? Pitt has not been relevant since the 80s, a rabid fan base and a sold out stadium with a great college atmosphere? Not at Pitt, there are more yellow seats than fans.

    I dropped thousand of dollars on donations, I'm done enjoy the product on the field, open your eyes !

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  42. This is the difference in fan bases. WVU and OSU and all the programs you all want to be like, do not whine incessantly. Stop your donations and leave. When Pitt turns the program around, and they will, don't come back. That's why I like all you anonymous women out there. You blow your horns and don't sign your name. Mine is there for all to view. When they win again, I will be there with my nameplate and all you anonymous's will come out from your rocks and say I was always a supporter. You either support the team or go root for someone else in my opinion.

    One question there anonymous #57, if you are so done, why do you visit the site? If you are done, say you are done and leave....for good. Sounds like frustration on your part like many here and I too am frustrated. But at least I have a plan and would like to see Paul Chryst begin to execute his plan for the young QB's. I would rather see who might be the future, than play with athletes who aren't going anywhere and show the same problems from years ago. The offense was trying to chip but number 1 whiffed often if you break down the tape. That is execution, not coaching. The coaching told him to do it. He failed. Same issue at QB and LB.

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    1. yes 'huff' isn't anonymous at all.

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    2. Pitt has been trying to turn the program around since 1985, they keep hiring a mediocre coach over and over again, sounds like the definition of insanity to me.

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  43. Roethlisberger pulled off his 28th winning drive in the fourth quarter or overtime. Sunseri is still looking for his first.

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  44. Question for the masses.

    Let's just say Pitt beats Louisville on Saturday.

    What's your reaction going to be? Back on board, Chryst still stinks, etc.

    Just curious.

    PittofDreams

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    1. I primarily comment regarding Chryst recruiting saavy or lack thereof.

      But, if this season is going to be a waste... I would agree with many posters... rotate in the youngin's to get playing time and experience for next year. Otherwise, next year's excuse will be lack of experience...

      Enough with the excuses... just win baby!!!
      But I said 6-6.. and most likely that is where they will endup this year... Anyone who was saying 8-4 or better was drinking the koolaid and doesn't know football!

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    2. Anyone who was saying 8-4 or better was drinking the koolaid and doesn't know football! Pot- Kettle!!!!!!

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    3. I can never understand the argument that if Pitt wins then people who said they aren't doing badly are suddenly right. Pitt winning against Louisville does not discount the fact that over their first five games they weren't very good. I can already see Pitt winning the game and some people saying, "see, all you non-believers!! Now what do you say?" The fact is, it doesn't change the result of the first five games so those that said they were bad in those games are still right.

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    4. ...aren't you are the guy who decided not to publish the "what's wrong with Pitt" post because you thought they might beat VT?

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    5. Yeah, I thought I'd be fair to them and give them a few games to get better. They didn't.

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  45. I wasn’t expecting much out Pitt this season, so I’m not going to judge them on their won-loss record. All I want to see is continued improvement from the team as the season progresses and so far I’ve not been disappointed.

    After 5 games, this doesn’t even look like the same team that took the field on Sept 1 vs YSU. After being dominated in their first two games, Pitt has actually outplayed their last three opponents. Tino has been transformed from a kid that appeared to be playing the staring role in Dazed and Confused into an actual signal caller that can read defenses and complete passes well beyond the line of scrimmage. Street and Shannahan suddenly look like eventual NFL draft picks and the defense is performing well beyond their talent level.

    Unfortunately for PC, no coach could be expected to turn their O-line into a legitimate D1 unit. Nevertheless, I think Coach Chryst has this program heading in the right direction.

    MC

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    1. Outplaying the last three opponents doesn't mean much when one is a poor 1-AA team and you lose the other. The object is to win. And for all the things you can say good about Pitt over the first five games, I can show you many stats that show them near the bottom of the NCAA. You're seeing what you want to see. Pitt still has many, many holes.

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    2. Chris,

      You realize that if you don't put it on the line and pick this game, it seriously diminishes the veracity of you coming out afterwards and saying "I really thought Pitt was going to beat Louisville" or "I really thought Pitt was goint to lose to Louisville?"

      Let me know if you're not picking a winner so I can go ahead and make my prediction including the reasons why.

      I can understand if you don't want people betting on what you think.

      PittofDreams

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  46. Looked on my license to check and it reads...huff. Sorry, I seriously doubt yours reads anonymous.

    I agree with Chris on this one. If Louisville loses this weekend, it doesn't erase the prior games. What it does is provide hope and building blocks for the future. My hope is that we do this with a new qb. So we will have Voytik, Chapman and Kincade/Chryst matriculating. That is one reason I put Voytik in now. Let's see what he can do before we are six games in next year and he is still getting his feet wet. No guarantee that Savage is good enough to start at Pitt. Voytik has a better chance to succeed with the likes of Shanahan, Staddler, Street and HGraham/Holtz.

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  47. Where is that crowd of posters that said...
    "Chryst will coach 'em up!"

    btw.... that is a term I hate... as if all the other D1 coaches aren't doing the same thing!

    This year and the next 2 years will be rough....

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    1. Joe his current recruiting class is loaded with coach EM up type players, I don't think they will have the talent to be a winning team next season and well beyond

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  48. Headline: Shanahan says he was wide open on sack play!

    Interesting as more of the facts come in surrounding Chryst's decision to throw at the 17 late in the game instead of playing it safe.

    On one hand, you have Chryst saying that the reason not to play it safe and instead go for the TD was that there was too much time for Syracuse to pass its way down field for a game winning field goal.

    At first glance, I had some problem with this. The reason is that you’ve got to believe the defense was in a position to hold Syracues from getting into field goal range. Defense was the best thing Pitt had going for it in the game.

    On the other hand, what was Chryst really doing? He was simply asking the offense to make a play. He was also trusting Tino again with the game on the line… just like the end of the half against Cincy.

    Two decent arguments here. But hard to fault Chryst for asking his team to execute a pass play from the 17 if you really believe in your play call. You don't count on your quarterback panicking and risking a grounding call when he could have just ran, or taken a sack.

    You also don’t count on your quarterback then failing to read an obvious blitz from the weakside corner on the very next play and completely shattering your strategy to win the game.

    By the way, in his interview yesterday Mike Shanahan was clear in affirming that the pass play on the sack was a right call and left him wide open in the endzone for the TD... had the team executed the play as drawn up.

    Bottom line, tough call whether to play it safe and go for the field goal.

    One thing is for certain… Wannstedt would have.

    But nice to see Pitt being coached by someone with some savvy and guts. In the long run, that wins a lot more games than it loses.

    A little addendum...

    Anxious for the day when Chryst has a quarterback that can be counted on to make plays to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat instead of the other way around.

    Maybe it's Savage. Maybe it's Voytik. Or maybe even Anderson.

    For sure we know Chryst thinks Chapman.

    PittofDreams

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  49. DOke

    Thanks for responding to my question above about quality of players below the mason dixon line compared to the players up north. Just for kicks i looked at the 2012 footbal rosters for WVU and Pitt on the ESPN website and the following is the distribution by state ( i hope this prints out OK):

    State WVU Pitt

    Alabama 1 0
    Florida 28 8
    Georgia 2 1
    Kentucky 1 0
    Maryland 10 3
    Massachusetts 0 2
    Minnesota 1 0
    Nevada 0 1
    new jersey 5 3
    new York 2 5
    North Carolina 2 1
    Ohio 14 11
    Oklahoma 0 1
    Pennsylvania 8 56
    south Carolina 1 0
    Tennessee 0 1
    Texas 8 3
    Virginia 8 0
    Washington 0 1
    Washington DC 1 0
    Wisconsin 0 1
    West Virginia 16 0

    Total 108 98

    Of the Eight pennsylvania players listed on the WVU page 6 or linemen, 1 is a cornerback (interestingly a Wanny recruit for Pitt) and 1 is a linebacker.

    The results on the field speak for themselves. How could Bill Stewart be so succesful recruting in the south?

    I am convinced that we need to start recruting in the south hard, real hard. like on the next plane down there hard.

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    1. WVU plays to near capacity, has a rabid fan base and a great game day atmosphere, they are heads and shoulders above Pitt. Since Nehlen left they got it right in hiring their football coaches. I'm sure their w-l record is much better than Ours over the last 20 years. Any fact checkers out there?

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  50. Chryst is coaching them up. He is showing that he can make the right calls at the right times and all the players need to do is execute. Tino is a lost cause and I don't think anyone said he could be coached up. As far as future recruiting,I would rather get a bunch of 3 stars that want to be at Pitt and lay it on the line each play, than 4 stars that think they can live off of their respective hs rankings and coast through college.

    I like the call not to run 3 times and attempt a field goal because our kicker is not that good for one; it would have been what wanny did; and three, the way our kicker kicks em out of bounds, we would have put syracuse at the 35 or 40 beginning a drive. No guarantee we could have stopped them from getting 25-30 yards and kicking a field goal to potentially win. Again, assuming our kicker would have made his first. Pitt is in great hands with paul chryst. Now, if pederson would just run away and let somebody who knows what they are doing, lead the athletic department.

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    1. Huff then why doesn't he coach EM up on the oline?

      The offensive adjustments take too long, Chryst who was touted as an offensive guru is slow to make oline adjustments as the game goes along. Look their average yard per attempt over the last few games. Football is about strategy and being proactive and reactive, they figured out their d adjustments but it took them 2 games to figure it out and they are decent on defense.

      The oline is mess hence lack of running game and their QB is constantly running for his life.

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  51. Did anyone see the recent post on ESPN about Dorian Johnson. Doesn't sound good.

    "Offensive tackle Dorian Johnson (Belle Vernon, Pa./Belle Vernon) liked his experience at Ohio State so much, the ESPN 150 recruit would like to make another trip to The Horseshoe in a few weeks.

    In town Saturday for the Buckeyes’ 63-38 win over Nebraska, Johnson -- who is ranked second in the nation at his position and No. 27 overall -- has already started talking about coming back on Nov. 24 for the Michigan game. The 6-foot-6, 285-pound Johnson isn’t sure whether or not it will be an official visit, but he knows he wants to see the campus again.

    “I actually talked to the coaches the other day about coming up for it,” Johnson said. “Me and my family are going to try and come up for that game.”

    After decommitting from Penn State, Johnson gave a top three of Pittsburgh, Ohio State and Virginia Tech and later said that was that was his order of interest. It’s still the same, but he was completely blown away by the atmosphere at Ohio State, saying it was better than the time he saw Pittsburgh play Virginia Tech at Heinz Field on Sept. 15.

    “I really liked my visit,” Johnson said. “I went one other time in the summer, but to see the game and the atmosphere was great.

    “The stadium was packed. I had a good time. The Pitt-Virginia Tech game, there was a decent amount of people and it was pretty loud, but I’ve got give it to Ohio State. I’ve never seen anything like that before. I thought it was crazy. They played well. Just getting to be there was memorable.”

    Johnson said he isn’t in any hurry to make a final decision and will wait things out until it feels right."

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    1. Honestly...
      If you had to give Johnson advice as where to go...
      what would you say? Be honest..
      - OSU nearly 80,000 fans every week... Pitt about 25k
      - OSU 6-0.... Pitt 2-3
      - OSU/Meyer gets players in NFL... Chryst is unknown.
      - Please don't talk about academics as someone who aspires for the NFL doesn't give a rats ass..

      Yes.. I know.. he can come in and be a starter by sophmore year... but if he is next to some 2 star wannabe... he will only look as good as his entire Oline.

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    2. Would it help if Coach Chryst baked his mother a warm apple pie and spent a few evenings sleeping on the family sofa.

      MC

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    3. MC,
      Don't laugh... but that may actually work for Johnson...
      I do know Chryst and Rudolph have gone to Belle Vernon HS football games... but need to take the extra step.
      Right now... my gut says he is going elsewhere... I've said before VTech... but sounds like OSU has inside track.

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  52. They also had a post on Shai McKenzie who picked up an offer from Duke. Not that we should be worried about Duke but said

    Shai McKenzie also likes that Duke is far from his hometown.

    "I like that they are far from home and I'm excited about the offer," he wrote."

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  53. I don't think Johnson is going to go to Pitt, remember how he was quoted about saying how State Penn felt right, I don't think he came out and made that statement about Pitt.

    He can't use the excuse about an urban campus if he goes to Tosu, everything I read about this kid just doesn't point to Pitt.

    Actually he could maybe start his freshman year at Pitt.

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    1. Kids are interesting. My 17 yr old stated rather firmly that she did not want to attend a big school or an urban school. Living in Virginia, I've always assumed she would go to VT, James Madison, etc.

      She visited Pitt, fell in love with it and was offered admission last week. She informed me that she no longer wanted to apply anywhere else. So now I'm facing out of state tuition...

      But my point is that you never know what goes into the decision-making of a 17 year old.



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  54. Well, since I forecasted Syracuse as a possible "stumble" game, in the name of consistency that means Pitt must quickly regain its balance.

    That said, I''m going to go out on a limb a little bit and say Pitt is going to beat Louisville. Not only that. You're about to see the start of a three-game win streak leading right up to Notre Dame.

    There is some reason for concern however.

    Louisville a much better team than VaTech, especially at quarterback.

    A little pause too seeing that Manny Williams could be out. He has made a big difference since being inserted into the lineup.

    But here is why I think Pitt is going to pull out the Homecoming win.

    1) If you haven''t noticed, Pitt has a pretty good defense that is getting better by the week. Holding the Cuse QB to 185 yards passing is testimony. Huxtable, who by the way many on this blog wanted fired weeks ago... is showing himself to be a crafty old coordinator capable of creative changeups like the "Dime" Defense that was the right call against Syracuse.

    2) The Pitt running game was so bad last week, you have to know that Chryst and Rudolph are determined to turn it around in a hurry.

    If you think Ray Graham is special, and I am one of the many who do... you have to believe No. 1 will not make the same mistakes as last week and return to his old ways of running mostly north and south.

    Think the O-linemen too might have a litle pride at stake.

    And who knows, maybe Shell will decide he's tired of missing out on the limelight and show up ready to tote the rock.

    3) Let me see. Last week despite being impressive in throwing for 300 yards, Tino was once again simple being Tino when the game was on the line. That means this week, Tino will go the other way.

    With the running game going, look for Tino to be solid. One thing about Sunseri, just when you think he can't, he loves to prove you wrong.

    Prove us wrong tomorrow.

    Bottom line, Pitt wins Saturday but it won't be easy. Don't feel quite as strong about this one as VaTech. But holding true to the belief that last week was just a stumble.

    The good news is, the Pitt God willing, the streak begins and leads us right into South Bend. The Chryst bandwagon will once again be full and everything will be right in the world.

    The one big caveat here, you know that next time of Tino being Tino is just lurking out there somewhere.

    But for now, it's off to the turnpike to head back to the Burgh for Homecoming.

    LET'S GO PITT!

    PittofDreams

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  55. This PA paper sticks it to WVU, calls them for what they are: “the butt of a national joke”:

    http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/editorial11/10-12-wvu-riots

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  56. For those who wonder how tiny Aliquippa gets so many kids into D1 or NFL... see story on Dravon Henry...
    That is how you do it.... if you want to play D1 and on Sunday's..

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/high-school-football/west-xtra-junior-running-back-a-leader-for-unbeaten-quips-657006/

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/high-school-football/recruit-report-aliquippas-junior-class-is-loaded-657252/

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  57. For those saying Dorian Johnson is now headed to Ohio State he has stated that Pitt is still No. 1 for him right now.

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  58. The oline and the qb get exposed when the opponent puts 8 or 9 in the box. That is why the spread, with 4 or 5 receivers makes up for poor ol play. We do not run the spread, so we need another way to neutralize the pressure. Bunch formations can attack 8-9 in the box.

    We will see 8 in the box with lewis ville tomorrow. And let's not start thinking the defense is all that. It was syracuse and how many turnovers were created. The team is improving. They are on the cusp of great things. Chryst will get the job done.

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