Friday, December 21, 2012

Robert Foster chooses Alabama

A very tough loss for Pitt to lose local superstar Robert Foster, but if they can still manage to land Tyler Boyd this season and Troy Apke next season, then the receiving corps will still be excellent going into the future.  But good luck to Robert and I hope all Pitt fans also wish him luck.  He's a good kid and you can't fault him for wanting to play for the best program in the country.

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  1. You can, however, fault Paul Chryst for not getting a kid that really should have been a guy that Pitt landed. If he fails to get Boyd, I will remain pessmistic about his ability to bring in the type of talent that the program needs to truly be successful. Very disappointing.

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  2. Fully agree, Chris.

    Likewise, one cannot fault Chryst for not landing him, although I am sure some will.

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  3. I know from very good sources that this was a VERY difficult decision for Foster, so difficult that he wavered back and forth several times just today. Going into today, he was going with Pitt. His main concern was making sure his dad could see him play, which he worried about with Bama. His mother was still leaning to Pitt but today she gave her true blessing to whatever school he wanted to go to. That helped Bama. He was also reassured that his dad would be able to get to Bama several times per year through the help of some boosters, and that also relieved some of his fears.

    It's not a shame for Pitt to lose out on a prospect (even a local one) to the number one program in the country. Foster liked Pitt a lot, but he just liked Bama a bit more.

    It's possible this whole decision may be revisited in a few weeks if any of the Saban to the Browns rumors are true.

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    1. Well, it would be nice to know who exactly reassured him his dad would get travel help from boosters, which I think is against NCAA regs.

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    2. Right now this staff gets an F in recruiting, and the blame falls on Chryst. He didn't assemble a staff of top notch recruiters and a staff with experience recruiting in areas on which Pitt needs to focus with the move to the ACC. House and Engram have potential as recruiters, but Haering and Breckenfield are walking disasters.

      A better staff lands Foster. Period. All the excuse making about Alabama being the top program in the country is bullcrap. Tony Dorsett could have gone anywhere but came to Pitt despite us having had three straight 1-9 seasons because Majors and Sherrill knew how to recruit. Tony has publicly said Jackie spent so much time at Hopewell that many of the students thought he was a teacher there.

      Alabama doesn't get everyone it wants. The DL some evaluators think is the top player this year is probably going to Ole Miss. And he is from Georgia, not Mississippi. They have a first year coach and came off a 1-11 year. Look at their verbals and the recruits who list them High and compare them to Pitt. It is night and day. Freeze hired a staff of good coaches who also are excellent recruiters. It shows.

      All the stuff about Wisconsin's classes and how they were coached up is equally ludicrous. How many teams regularly recruit Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Dakotas? Almost none. So you can find underrecruited players there all the time. Rarely does that happen in PA. If kids here are quality then with rare exceptions they are known to major schools.

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    3. One more thing. When kids come in for their official visits and they are kids Pitt really wants, it is Chryst's job to convince them that they want to go to Pitt. Period. It is a total cop-out for him to say he doesn't try to sell kids on the program but wants them to decide for themselves where they want to go and he hopes it will be Pitt. That simply is malfeasance and if he doesn't quickly change that approach it is a recipe for disaster. If he doesn't get onboard with that, then he needs to be an OC and not a HC because he isn't qualified to be a HC.

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  4. If you were in his position would Pitt even be in your top 10? Even though he is from the area you can't blame the kid for wanting to be at the most elite college program going. It is a stomach punch but only because I am a Pitt grad, good luck to him in the future.

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  5. Take a step back. No kid should be choosing Pitt over Bama.

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  6. If you were in his position would Pitt be in your top 10? We're talking about an elite level receiver and you cant fault him for going to the most elite college program currently. As a Pitt grad it is a punch to the gut but I wish him well and I hope we can still fill out a top 40 recruiting class.

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  7. Why can't you fault Chryst for not landing him? Come on.

    A top notch recruiter should be able to land the top local products. When the top local players go elsewhere, then you're screwed.

    Paul Chryst can't recruit. And NOTHING we've seen from this past season indicates that he's going to be a top coach, either.

    This is a huge loss and a big indictment of Chryst's recruiting ability.

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    1. I just don't buy it, Pittiskrit. If he would have chosen WVU or Syracuse, then yes, blame Chryst. But he chose Bama, the No. 1 team in the country and a team that went hard after him. This is not Chryst's fault.

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    2. I believe it was Engramwho was recruiting him and he was the main reason why Pitt was even in the running. Great recruiting IMO.

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  8. Can't fault the kid for making this decision.

    Still, very disappointing for Pitt fans, and another in a long line of let downs.

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    1. Besides the Pirates, is there a team more frustrating to root for than the Pitt Panthers? Seriously, it's just so frustrating. I think everyone was excited about the future of Pitt football after Chryst maintained his allegiance to the program. Once it was announced he was staying I think most Pitt fans (myself included) thought Ok, coach is staying, Foster and Boyd coming in next year with a new QB things are looking up for sure. It's one step forward two steps back for this program. Believe me, I don't blame Foster for going to Bama, but I am extremely disappointed.

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  9. What is the lie Foster was referring to a week or two ago?

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  10. Foster had pressure from mentors to go to bama. I went to center and have some sources. This one stings. Mov on and get Boyd and webb

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  11. If I'm Boyd, I'm certainly not coming to Pitt now.

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    1. If I'm Boyd I'm coming to Pitt now because I'll be the #1 receiver instead of the #2 receiver behind Foster.

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  12. Everyone calm down and enjoy the Xmas Holidays-you win some and you lose some. Mr. Foster made his decision and we should be mature enough to handle this. Was hoping for a Foster to Pitt Xmas present but can not fault the young man for his decision. Hail to Pitt!

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  13. So, a kid who’s extremely close to his family and who said Bobby Engram is the best WR coach in the country is going to go over 1000 miles away to school?! They currently have 7 freshman WR on the roster and only one Sr. WR who doesn’t even play. Something isn’t jiving.

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  14. Let's see where foster is at LOI day. Look @ clement as an example. Should Pitt stop recruiting him?

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  15. Mark my words, in 3 years, PITT will be doing a caching search once again. We will be average at best in the ACC because of recruiting. This should actually be a good year for recruiting since the program is on the upswing? And moving to a new conference. If PC was so good I believe Wisconsin would have pursued him no matter what their AD says. They resorted to a coach with a 30-31 overall record. College football is big business and if Alveraz believed PC was an elite coach, he would have gone after him. We are caught once again in a mediocre period. I am not a pessimist but a realist. I want nothing more than PITT to be a power but the signs just aren't pointing that way.

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    1. Garry anderson took utah state... I repeat utah state and turned them into a 10 win team. Thats impressive and with chryst the jury is still out

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  16. The guys who are saying that chryst cant recruit today are the same ones who said hes got it together just a day or 2 ago. Quit having such knee jerk reactions. This sucks and it probably lessens pitts chances at boyd. However, theres still opportunities for a quality reciever or 2 and theres some kids on pitts roster who can have breakout years next year. I think the recieving core will be ok but foster would have been a stud as a freshman

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    1. I have never backed away from my assertion that Chryst isn't a good recruiter. Not once.

      And I still don't know why people are insisting he's a great coach or the right man for the job. We simply don't know at this point.

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    2. The stance I have always taken is that he may or not prove to be a success, but he hasn't done it yet.

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    3. Did i say you? Or on this board? (although that will come). Im not saying hes a great recruiter just that you cannot say he cant recruit when hes doing a solid job of it. And foster looked very torn and almost as if he literally decided right on the spot. I wouldnt be surprised to see him flip. (not a prediction)

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    4. Me either. He impressed me on several levels as a football coach this year (UConn game aside), but unless you can actually bring in impact talent to the program, you really can't get to the level that Pitt felt like they were unable to reach when they fired Wannstedt. And I simply don't see Paul Chryst as someone who can attract those type of athletes to Pitt considering the current state of the program.

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  17. I wish Robert Foster luck but I am hoping more than ever now Saban takes an NFL gig. I guess that's the opposite of wishing him luck but you know what I mean.

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  18. One thing people have to remember is Foster's eligibility issues. He has a better chance of qualifying at Alabama. And if he doesn't, he goes to prep school where he will have to be recruited all over again.

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    1. Why does he have a better chance to academically qualify at Alabama? Aren't eligibility rules the same for every NCAA school?

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    2. Not all schools have the same types of classes.

      And let's face it, football factories like Alabama and Ohio State are going to have some very easy classes to keep their players eligible. Not that Pitt doesn't, but the giant factories are notorious for it.

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    3. 1... I'm shocked... I had him at 90/10...
      however, not surprised as if I were consulting Foster, I would tell him to go Alabama also... just being honest.

      Regarding eligibility... it is the same... whether Alabama or Pitt.. NCAA rules are the same.

      Chryst HAS to land Boyd now... position of need.

      And I was one who said Chryst and recruiting has gotten better... but perhaps too late. First impressions are lasting.

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    4. NCAA eligibility is the same but that doesn't mean all kids can get in to any school. Trust me, I could name names of kids who Pitt couldn't get in, but that WVU could. Noel Devine is one. I was told flat out by a Pitt coach that no way would he qualify, then a week later he was in WVU.

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    5. I wonder how many student athletes playing for Alabama in the national championship game could have gotten into Notre Dame? As Chris states there is a difference between who schools will accept. It just depends on how important sports is to them.

      With that all said, I cannot get all this excited over one recruit deciding not to come to Pitt. I wish him well at Alabama and hopefully he graduates. If things don't workout for him down there, he can always transfer to Pitt.

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  19. This isn't over just yet? If he was making a decision this morning this far from over. If I was pitt I would still get after it & recruit him. Where is boyd leaning to? I am sure it doesn't matter til he signs

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  20. I had been thinking that Pitt would get either Foster or Boyd and not both. I believe that Boyd was waiting to see what Foster would do.

    That being said, I feel that Boyd will chose Pitt now and be the the man at WR....not the #2 choice of the QB.

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  21. Maybe the Mayans meant that the world was going to end for Pitt....:-)

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  22. Tyler Boyd is really high on VT. I just pray he gives us a fair shot. I heard VTs staff is following him around like a puppy dog.

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  23. I really wouldn't worry about this, just as I wouldn't be elated about the verbals Pitt does have. These are 17-18 year old kids that have no idea what they will be doing five minutes from now, and you're worried about them making a verbal commitment? Most of them have no idea what the words means without looking it up.

    I said the same thing about Dorian Johnson after he committed to PSU, and where is he committed now? If Foster has eligibility issues, it doesn't matter where he commits if he can't get into school.

    Also take into consideration a couple of things:

    1 - as stated previously, Bama has seven freshman WR's on their roster, at least some of which were rated 4 stars and are from that area of the country, which means more speed and usually more athletic ability. Not to take anything away from Foster, but he doesn't play against the best competition in the country, a lot of those kids at Bama did in HS.
    2 - When was the last time you saw a stud QB at Bama that will showcase this kid's skills? Julio Jones aside, Bama is not exactly a WR factory.

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  24. Dont be surprised if Foster changes his mind. He doesnt look convinced that is where he wants to go. He told his family on Wed he was going to Pitt then changed his mind today. I have a feeling he changes his mind in the next few weeks.

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  25. Had he chosen Ohio State, Notre Dame or even Penn State I would have been fine with it. I can't stand the fact that he is headed south. Aren't they(South) good enough by getting their own recruits? Why come north and take ours???

    Can't believe it will be Alabama.

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  26. So does ace recruiter Engram miss on Boyd ?

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  27. I've said before... if Pitt can get 50% of the Top Wpial players... that is a good day at the office.
    This year, 7 of the Top 20 players in PA are from Wpial...
    Foster, Johnson, Boyd, Kuglar, Orndoff, Rawlins, Christian.

    So far, Pitt has 2 of 6 with Boyd yet to decide.
    In my opinion, I never thought Pitt had a shot at Boyd... but if they land hime that would be 3 of 7... good (not great) job.
    But if only 2 of 6... especially with PSU on sanctions!!! Very BAD!!

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  28. Poor Chris Peak of Pantherlair...
    he was streaming it live... for Pitt fans??? lol
    Had he known of the change of mind... he probably would not have attended.

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  29. Foster has many many people in his ear and I don't think most 18 year olds would be able to make a perfect decision with so many influences pulling him different ways. It is pretty well known that his mother preferred Pitt and his dad like Alabama. The CV coaching staff was pretty neutral for most of the process but over the past month or so, they began to push Robert toward Alabama. Perhaps this was the final factor.

    CV coaches were not very happy with how Pitt spent most of the final month or two of the process spending time with his mother rather than keeping in contact with them. I'm not saying that is right or wrong - just stating the facts from close sources. The coaching staff went to a 7 on 7 camp at Alabama this summer and were blown away by what they saw. They felt that it would be better for Robert to get away from the area to play. I don't know for sure, but this is perhaps a reason that there was the late switch.

    My guess is that this verbal could change back and forth several times over the next month just like Robert's mind changed back and forth several times today in school. If there turns out to be any truth to these rumors about Saban and the Browns, then Robert might rethink the verbal and come back to Pitt. I think the drama is just starting. Much like other 18 year olds, Foster is confused about what choice is best and I can't blame him for that.

    It's like being a baseball player and choosing between playing for the Buccos and bringing winning baseball to the city for the first time in forever and the Yankees, which always compete for a championship. For most the choice seems obvious, but the hometown factor is strong in many cases. Let's be honest - that's the only reason Pitt was even in this things.

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    1. Coaches have no impact on a kid's decision. A lot of time they are clueless to what's going on with a kid's decision. So I seriously doubt that the coaching staff was pushing him towards Alabama.

      And sorry, but I don't believe that they would be upset about Pitt spending time with his mother instead of him when Saban never did visit the kid.

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    2. Chris - I just know what I heard from the horse's mouth in terms of the Pitt coaches issue. There was a period from late November to early December where they said they had not heard from the Pitt coaches much at all whereas that was the time that Alabama made two visits up to the school, though you are correct that Saban never had to make a visit. I am not saying it is correct, but it's just what they felt.

      In terms of coaches, your point is probably valid for most cases when you say they don't impact a kid's decision, but this is a unique situation because Foster lives with an assistant coach on the staff who basically acts as his guardian. In this case, I do think CV coaches influence Foster just because of his family situation. He was very close to his coaches and trust their opinion. I think Foster is such a good kid (a little naive too) that he is easily influenced by those around him like coaches. That's all I was saying.

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    3. Also, the coaching staff was fine with whatever choice he made but that doesn't mean they couldn't have influenced him. They did just want him to be happy, but let's just say the coaches were happy when Bama was the choice today.

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    4. I don't wish the kid good luck or bad luck. He won't be playing for my team so once LOI passes I won't care. The local media and local football fans won't care either. That's a fact. If you don't play for PSU or Pitt, no one cares locally. Hopefully th Alabama media will warm up to him fast.

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    5. If that the case (influencing him towards Bama and being happy about it), they may have made a real dumb choice.

      I don't know how many other BCS-caliber players Central produces, but any fringe players aren't going to get a benefit of a "local" offer from Pitt if that is the case. It's a courtesy that Alabama certainly is not going to offer either way.

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  30. Let's see what Foster is driving in the spring before we cast judgement.

    PittofDreams

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  31. Losing out on foster and a maybe on boyd. What is our next must get for this class?

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  32. He's not going to driving some fancy-ass car - bunch of sour grapes here and on the pantherlair.

    Chryst flat should have had him if he was a good recruiter - zero question.

    Can you get Boyd NOW????

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  33. Chris, has Foster talked to any of the coaches from bama or pitt about his decision today? If not, do you find that odd? I am hearing he hasn't notified anyone yet. Just want to know if that is true.

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  34. Boyd will not becoming to Pitt. It will either be WVU or VT. He just doesn't have that much interest in Pitt.

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  35. Jerry D of the Trib...
    just reported on a recruiting violation..
    Engram called Foster's mom 45min after the announcement..
    it's quiet period time... he can't call.. my understanding that is.

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    1. not a violation...can't call recruits, doesn't say anything about parents

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  36. The quote on Doke's twitter account about Alabama recruiting better, from Foster's dad, is incredibly damning about Pitt.

    What a joke of a football program. They're Pirates-lite, from top to bottom.

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    1. For 4-5 star recruits...
      you need to roll out the red carpet... early and often..
      They love the attention...
      and Alabama knows how to do the recruiting thang..
      Chyst didn't get his recruiting act together until November... the weekend with Boyd, Johnson, etc is how you do it..
      Yogism..
      You only have 1 chance to make a good first impression.

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    2. That's not a Yogism, just a true statement.

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  37. Doke
    When it comes to football lets face it. Alabama is the homecoming queen and we are, at best, the cleaning lady.
    On to something more important since someday we might actually have te chance to win something in basketball. I have to give u credit on your review last December of James Robinson. About this time last year you said u would start him at the one and Woodall at the two. You nailed that one. What a terrific college point guard. I Adams sticks around next year, like I think he will, we may actually finally get to that final four where all bets are off and anything can happen...

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    1. He has just 11 turnovers so far this year which is pretty ridiculous.

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  38. Doke
    Sticking with my James Robinson comment above. I remember u doing a schedule near the end of levance fields senior year showing how much better his assist to turnover ratio was against non big east teams than against big east teams. Do u have the same concern with Robinson? In other words will he be this good during big east play a a freshman? I was at the Michigan game in NYC last month and he did only have one turnover in 34 minutes against those future NBA guards so I think that is a good sign, do you?

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  39. When it comes to recruiting, you can't play WITH the big boys until you can play LIKE the big boys.

    Case in point: There was an interesting somewhat-related article in the Denver Post earlier this week about Colo State landing a big-time OL recruit despite him having offers from several much better programs.

    Here's what dude had to say about landing at CSU of all places, (quote): "I wanted to go where I felt wanted. CSU was my first offer. They talked to me the most. They visited with me the most. ... I felt wanted by CSU."

    And on a related note: CSU's first-yead head coach, Jim McElwain, was Alabama's OC last season.

    Okay, I concede that this story isn't exactly the same situation as Foster choosing 'bama over Pitt. And maybe it was as simple as Foster wants to play in front of 90,000 fans for NCs every year.

    However, Chryst's policy of "We don't sell" and "Just offer" and "Let the kid make up his own mind" is great, as long as everybody else is playing by those same rules. Problem is, in CFB nobody else is....

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    1. Agree with you 100%...
      These kids (4-5star players) want their a$$ kissed...
      and by golly Chryst better pucker...
      although, I will say Chryst has improved the last 2 months...
      - Bringing Johnson, Boyd, Foster on same weekend and rolling out the red carpet. Did he line up some girls for them?
      - Having 5 coaches at PIAA finals games.. Pitt on sidelines for all games.

      But... little to late...
      ya need to be first with the offer... especially in your backyard!! Which comes to my other point... wtf... when are they going to offer Fields of Quippa. Pitt is pissing him off that he will go elsewhere or whoever is first.
      Lets put it another way... any Junior who made PA All-State (not including single A) should have an offer from Pitt.
      btw... Zeise has an offer... didn't even make the "North" Fab 22 by PG.. these are voted on by the coaches... but he has an offer.. smh.

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    2. Joe, you do understand that doing the things you advocate such as sleeping on couches and hooking up recruits with girls would be considered recruiting violations, right?

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  40. I was suprised that Foster chose Alabama. My sense was that he'd choose Pitt. I don't know why, but this has kind of an odd feel to it. I didn't see the press conference, but I've heard it was kind of strange, and that Foster didn't seem very happy. If he's that conflicted, Pitt should keep after him until he signs his LOI.

    I can understand him wanting to play for the number one program in the country. However, he might get lost in the shuffle with all the talent at Bama. At Pitt, he'd be assured of playing right away, and being a high-profile player. Also, his WR coach would be a former NFL WR. The NFL picks players based on their talent and preparation to play, not on if they've played on national championship teams.

    While I wish him well if he ultimately signs with Bama, I think the better situation for him long-term is at Pitt.

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  41. The fact that Foster had his choice down to Alabama and Pitt is testimony to Chryst and his assistants doing something right.

    It didn't have to be Pitt. Ohio State would have been just as suitable for a hometown choice option. And despite anything you might hear don't think for a second that Urban Meyer would not have been glad to be in that position.

    As I stated, months and months ago long before the season began, Foster should have never been looked at as a "must have" by the Pitt staff. He was always a REACH given his obvious talent (I think someone here compared him to a young Michael Irvin).

    Given the unexpected trials and tribulations of the first year of the Chryst tenure at Pitt, the mere fact that Foster looks to be seriously torn in his decision... can not be looked at as anything else but a positive sign for the Pitt recruiting successes yet to come.

    It's now up to Chryst and Company to simply deliver the kind of wins I and other supporters believe possible. Then we can celebrate in the next Foster choosing Pitt and shedding tears of joys rather than sadness.

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    1. Positive...
      Your kidding me...
      Nothing positive can come out of this...
      The only reason OSU is not in the mix... because at his last visit.. people referred to Foster as a head case... blogs, players, etc.

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  42. At first I thought Pitt did all they could do and Foster just wanted to play with the National Champs in the SEC. And that was one of his reasons. But the more I hear about the decision, the more I'm worried again that Pitt doesn't have the recruiting chops that it takes to land such a player. Saban, without even going to visit Foster, has him and his family convinced that he's a great man who will help him with his academics. Both of those are absurd and Pitt can't let anybody, even Alabama, come in and out recruit them with lies. Saban is successful at Alabama because the man has no problem lying like a rug to recruits. Pitt probably gave him tea and asked politely to join them.

    Pitt is getting good players and good young men who will probably win Chryst 9 games in the near future. But to win 11 games in the future you have to be a prick like Alabama to land the Robert Fosters of the world. It's actually the exact same thing with Jamie Dixon. You can only be nice and coach up good players so far. Eventually you have to get your hands a little dirty. Neither Dixon nor Chryst does that, and that's admirable. I'm not saying they should. But I am saying they have to if they want their programs to be among the elite.

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    1. Chris, I agree with this and was one of the large handful of people who were satisfied with what Wanny was doing here. Yes, he was falling short of everyone's high expectations as his teams were always picked at or near the top in the last few years of his term here. But his teams were competitive and we never has to worry about him leaving.

      Just as your predictions of both Kugler and Foster coming to Pitt fell short, you have to realize that Pitt will never come close to the power it was in the late 70s. Sure, you can say that we should always aim higher and that is the only way we can achieve an elite status, but that can also be classified as blind faith.

      I am happy with Chryst and hopes he takes us to levels we haven't seen since the early 80s, but I'm also going to be happy and remain supportive as long as we are competitive and are in the ACC race nearly every year.

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    2. I never even came close to predicting Kugler would go to Pitt. Very early in the season I pointed out the reasons why Pitt could appeal to Kugler. That's very different.

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    3. Chris, Saban's reputation should have preceeded him with Foster, his family and the CV coaches. Everyone always wants to point to Shell's girlfriend having twins as to why he's at Pitt, but Alabama wanted him as well and probably promised the moon and the stars. The difference is that Shell was smart enough to realize a few things, such as Bama has at three kids like him at RB and bring more each year, that a lot of kids that committ to Bama end up on the scholarship pulled scrap heap and that Bama doesn't really care about any of those kids as people.

      All Bama did was pump up the egos of a bunch of nobodies that should have more common sense. Foster will learn that in about two years if he goes through with this.

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  43. Someone may have mentioned this already but he said he thought getting far away was in his best interest.
    He did not say anything negative about Pitt, just that getting away was best for him.
    Good for him, a tough decision but probably the right one.

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  44. From 2008 - 2011 Wisconsin's recruiting rankings were 41,41,87 and 40. So while Foster would have been a real nice get it seems Wisconsin was very competitive with sub par recruiting. The future remains to be seen but assistant coaches hone their craft under their mentors and then continue that on once they become head coaches. So while losing Foster hurts let's see if the future of Pitt plays out similar to Wisconsin.

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    1. In denial...
      perhaps those players flew under the rader being in Wisky that they were rated low... didn't do the recruiting circuit... etc.
      Please stop with the Wisky comparisons because I heard all pre-season about Wisky lack of recruiting and how they will "coach-em up"..
      Need I point to ..... 6-6..

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    2. Actually it's pretty good joe d, wisky finished 7-5, isn't that what pitt wants?

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    3. Wisconsin's recruiting base also doesn't have nearly as much talent as Pitt's.

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  45. Does anyone read the comments on here? How many folks are jumping on Paul Chryst for being a bad recruiter? But we learn that Saban never met the young Foster in PA. Head Coaches are not the recruiters, they are the closers when the kids get on campus. As I see it, Coach Chryst has closed on 20 young men that want to be at Pitt, but could be in a myriad of places. He is doing a great job, given the product that has been on the field over the last three years and Steve Pederson's guffaws!!

    You all are a bunch of front runners and cry babies who expect perfection when there is no basis for perfection established. That comes with time and consistency in winning and recruiting. Our history suggests, we don't provide either (thanks to Pederson). If the Pitt administration wants to be number one, you dish out $4-5 million per year and bring in Saban. At that point, the expectations change and you can start planning on how we get to championship level. Anything less, you are rolling the dice. Pitt has just done that.

    In fact, Pitt and Coach Chryst have exceeded my expectations given the product on the field the last few years. We have some real nice talent coming in and we should embrace them. As far as Foster, he is conflicted. If he was all about Central, he would stay and play where they could continue to support him. If it was all about academic support, Pitt again trumps Alabama. If it is all about being on a team (notice I didn't say playing)that competes for a NC every year, his pick may have been correct, but maybe not so much.

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    1. To say Chryst is doing a great job is ludicrous to the point of my not even wanting to mock you for it.

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  46. Don't get me wrong - I'd love for us to have an 11 win team and be in the NC conversation. But right now - after everything the program has been through - I will gladly take a series of 9 win seasons with the same head coach. That in itself will make Pitt more relevant locally and put more people in the stands.

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    1. Isn't that what Pitt had with Wanny?

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  47. One other thing...

    On all this talk of three and out with Chryst - I'll take the over. Not because of the W-L record, but because the administration can't pull the hook again anytime soon unless PC wrecks his Harley with a gal who isn't his wife or the team gets out of control. I don't see either happening.

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  48. Chris please do not ask Pitt's coaches to compromise their ethics just so we can win one more game here and there. That is what I assume you mean by getting their hands "a little dirty". How much is "a little dirty"? That is a very slippery (slippy) slope.

    I cannot believe how upset everyone is over on teenager committing to to a school other than Pitt. I love Pitt as much as anyone but this is ridiculous.

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    1. I'm not talking about cheating. I'm talking about selling hard. Alabama has Foster's family convinced that they are the greatest bunch of people ever and Pitt let them get away with that. That's what I'm talking about. Pitt had to call Alabama on their bullshit and didn't.

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    2. Chris...
      That is called Sales and Marketing...
      Something Chryst says he WON'T do...
      Part of selling is talking about your competition... not necessarily bash your competition but differentiate yourself from your competition so ie. Pitt gets selected!!!

      But hey... Just Offer...
      Hows that working for Chryst.

      I say... 3yrs and out for Chryst.
      Reason, 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes were bad... and 2013 will soon join the list.

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    3. I agree John. I don't want Pitt to compromise its ethics either, and get into a "win at any cost" mentality. However, I do agree with Chris that if Bama has convinced the kid what a great bunch of people they are, and how much they care about him, Pitt should've made a counter argument about it.

      I'm sure Saban has convinced Foster that he really "cares" about him. However, I consider Saban a pretty slimy guy who would say or do anything to win. I have no inside info, but it wouldn't surprise me if Bama is involved in some impropriety here.

      It seems the kid was all set to pick Pitt, then had a last minute change of heart. Why?

      My sense is that Foster would be better served overall by going to Pitt, both academically and athletically. Maybe he didn't want the pressure of having to be a hometown hero, and felt Bama was the easier road. I think if he does stick with Bama, he may ultimately regret his decision. Anyone remember Andrew Johnson?

      Also, to predict Chryst's demise because Pitt lost one kid (albeit a highly-rated local) is overreaching and short-sighted. Yes, this loss hurts, but let's not get carried away because of one kid.

      If Chryst and Pitt gets it done on the field in the next couple years, these kind of kids will be coming here.

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    4. Dan...
      Chryst went 6-6 this year if you hadn't noticed..
      These are NOT coming here if you hadn't noticed..
      1 of top 7 wpial...
      1 didn't declare yet...
      and we got Johnson due to PSU sanctions!!
      That is called piss poor recruiting in your own backyard... and if you can't land them out of wpial.. you are not going to convince many to come from outside of wpial.

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    5. Good grief man, relax. Chryst has been here for one year, and this is one kid lost. In time, if Pitt and Chryst prove themselves, these kinds of players will stay.

      You're already prepared to write Chryst off because of Foster, which is ridiculous. Who knows the real reasons why Foster decided on Bama? Maybe it had nothing to do with Chryst. Can we give the guy a few years before we write him off as a recruiting failure? Geesh.

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    6. Joe D is Mr Negative and doesn't understand that it takes time to build a program that was in shambles when PC arrived.

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  49. I have heard that his princess is the reason for getting away!!! She was dragging him down all day yesterday on what is supposed to be a great day for him. I have heard that she is the reason they decided to get him out of here!!!!

    I can understand that!!!

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  50. You guys are too knee-jerk sometimes, yes losing foster is a big blow to the program and he would have been our playmaking stud. He chose to go to Alabama so best of luck to him, on to the next one.

    Everyone seems to forget that we're still in play with Boyd, whose almost every bit as good as foster is. If we land him wed still have a very good playmaking option something that Pitt doesn't have right now.

    But to say that we didn't land foster that this class will be a failure is insane. Do you not realize that we landed one of the top tackles in the country along with one if the top dual-threat qbs in the country who is also enrolling early

    I was shocked when we didn't land him but Pitt has some really good talent coming in next year. What Chryst has to do now is focus and land Boyd, kemp, JJS, Hytche, and moody and maybe a few others and it will be a top 30 class

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    1. IF... IF... IF... IF..

      Pitt had a better chance landing Foster than Boyd...
      Boyd is at best 50/50...

      Class is a failure if not in Top 25...
      especially since 2011 and 2012 classes were poor classes.... this should have been an easy class to recruit and a MUST have class!!!

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    2. Joe D you don't get it - you don't gofrom terrible classes to top 25 just because you want to happen. Once PC and Pitt have several back to back to back winning season then you can make that comment.

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    3. You guys have sooooo many excuses...
      I guess next I will hear... Chryst will coach'em up better than any other coach.

      Perhaps look at PSU and O'Brien...
      that class is ranked higher than Pitt with fewer recruits!!

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    4. We're not making excuses for him; we're willing to have patience and give him more than one year to prove himself.

      I was less than enthused with Chryst's hiring because I was skeptical of his willingness and ability to recruit. However, now that he's here, he deserves a fair amount of time to either prove or disprove his recruiting ability. I'm still skeptical, but I'm willing to give him a fair shot.

      This was definitely a big loss, but it's not the end of the world for the program. I think Engram should still pursue Foster until he signs his LOI. Also, let's keep focused on Boyd and others who are still interested in Pitt.

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  51. Boyd is a much better student apparently

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  52. Chris, I do not want to Chryst to be a prick or lie in recruiting. This is not what you want Pitt to be about. Eventually, athletes will see right through that. This an 18 year old kid that decided on his own that he wants to play for Bama. Period. End of discussion. Lets not blast coaching staff. Engram had a great relationship with Foster. You can tell he was torn by the way he was communicating.

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    1. I confused people when I said Chryst needs to be a prick like Saban. What I mean is Pitt has to get tougher and don't let scumbags like Saban come in and lie to recruits and get away with it. Because the pricks do get away with it in recruiting. The best recruiters are pricks.

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    2. I get what your saying to some extent but I don't agree with the principle. You pointed out above how Pitt should have called out Alabama on their BS. "Trash the competition" so to speak. That may work for some, but it doesn't fly for me. If I'm in the market to buy something and the salesman is trying to "sell" me by bashing the alternatives and competition, I'm definitely not buying. To me, credibility goes out the door when you start ripping the competition. I agree that the shady route is more often traveled and a lot of programs seem to get ahead by doing it. But what is that really teaching and showing the kids? I know, Joe D will say who cares. But to me ethics and morals are still important. If Chryst is honest and straight up with the kids and we can win some more games, things will turn around. As a fan, I want the best players to be coming to Pitt. But they aren't all going to come here. It's reality. Move on and get the next guy who wants to come to Pitt and is all in.

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    3. Calling somebody on their b.s. and trashing them aren't the same. If Alabama comes in and lies to a recruit, and Pitt doesn't call them on it, they aren't being immoral, they're being saps.

      These kids and their parents don't know Saban like we do. And it's not wrong to subtly let them know because, trust me, recruiters do it to Pitt. You should have heard some of the things Pete Carroll told WPIAL recruits about Pitt.

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    4. Ok I'm dying to know what Pete said. Can you say? That is really interesting.

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  53. Doke
    U bring up great point about the coaches getting their hands dirty in the recruiting process. Chancellor nordenberg has demonstrated that he doesn't want those kind of men which is why we have Dixon and Chryst instead if caliperi and holgerson. Hell Dixon is pulling guys from burning cars while Saban is allegedly walking over his convulsing players on the sidelines after two a day workouts.
    This philosophy isn't necessarily a bad thing which is why Pitt is like number five in the nation in NIh funding trailing only the big boys like Harvard and Johns Hopkins. It's all about priorities and ports first one is clearly not wins and losses on the playin field.

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    1. Nobody is saying Pitt needs to be bad guys. Just don't be pushovers.

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  54. Just for the record, my view of Chryst has never changed. I think he's recruiting to become a 9 win coach in the near future. However, I still don't know if he'll ever become the great recruiter that can go beyond that. Maybe he will, I have no idea. All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything from him yet that shows me that he's a special recruiter.

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    1. He won't...
      and 9 win season in the ACC is a major stretch...
      I don't see it happening in the next 3 years...
      but Chryst will be gone after 2.

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    2. Special recruiters are born, not made. It's all about desire and charisma and salesmanship. Calipari, for example, has those things in spades - even if he didn't cheat, he'd still be a balls-to-the-wall recruiter.

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  55. I guarantee you this will happen to Foster at some point down there...if he even gets clearance.

    He'll do something wrong on the field - hopefully not off of it and the Saban that he sat down to breakfast with will be a distant memory as will yesterday's announcement.

    He's going to say multiple times...WTF did I just do.

    I remember a Miami Dolphin player reduced to tears by Saban and if Foster is not balls tough and from what we gather he's not, he's in for a mega rude eye awakening on some scorching hot fall camp day in Alabama.

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  56. How did Pitt lose Foster to Alabama...
    CV coach Lyons said the following in a Trib article.


    Not to mention that Lyons said Alabama did the best job recruiting Foster and his family.

    “They were the most — I don‘t know if persistent is the right word — but the most loyal,” Lyons said. “He got a sense that they care about him as a person, not just a football player.”

    That says it all..
    something I've said again and again and again... persistent!!!
    you recall.... sleep on the couch.. pecan pie... etc... And to know Pitt is 45min away from Foster... Alabama is a planetrip and they were more persistent!!!

    How's that "Just Offer" working fellas!!!

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    1. Nothing says "I care about you more as a person than a football player" than sleeping on your couch and bringing you a pecan pie made (allegedly) by your mom to ward off the competition.



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  57. Do you really believe that Nick Saban "cares about Foster as a person and not just a football player"?

    Oh yes, that's Nick Saban for you - just a great guy.

    Lyons got snowed by Saban just like Foster did.

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  58. Does anyone know first hand if bama was bashing Pitt in their pursuit with foster?

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    1. to be honest all they would have to say is scoreboard.

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    2. If Chryst does tell players to look around, it's because he wants kids who are truly committed to Pitt, and are as sure as they can be about their decision.

      It shows me a man who is confident enough and secure in himself and what he's building to give kids the opportunity to look around.

      It's like when you first start dating a girl, but haven't become exclusive yet. I don't care if she sees other guys until we fully commit to each other. That way, she knows that you're the best guy for her.

      Same parallel with Pitt. Chryst wants guys who know and trust that Pitt is the best place for them. He's a confident and secure guy to be willing to do that.

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    3. FWIW, if I remember correctly, the biggest BS artist around - Todd Graham - also said that he encouraged players to look around rather than committ right on the spot.

      I agree with Dokish's point, you can't let someone like Saban or O'Brien make up stuff and get away with it.

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  59. Jody is a joke on here, always has been. He is the only one on here that thinks Pitt finishing ranked 60th in the actual football rankings, should translate into a top 25 recruiting class. This is fundamental Jody. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Pitt finished their play on the field around 60 out of 124 teams.

    Recruiting is at 34-38 right now. This is a great recruiting class given the circumstance of on field and off field issues at the university for the past two years. The class could be excellent with a few more commits. Jody is doom and gloom guy and I for one am glad I never have run into the guy. Predicting PC to be out of here in 2 more years is the problem with alleged Pitt fans. The sky is not falling and I expect the coach to be extended shortly.

    With respect to negativity, that is certainly used against a kid, when the oposing coach can say about his competitor....hey, your guy is not even under contract come your redshirt senior year. Saban is signed through 2018. His contract is fairly standard at over $4M per annum + bonuses, camps, etc. Difference is, he is signed through the current recruiting classes red shirt year. Our coach is not.

    So Joedy I ask you this. Is it fair to gauge Paul Chryst at $2M per year against a coach with multiple national championships and a $4M base, which after incentives is probably more like $5.5M?
    If you think yes, donate to Pitt so they can get a $5M dollar guy. Put your money where your mouth is. I for one, don't wanta $5M dollar coach. I want someone like PC who wants to put his mark on the program. You continue to whine and compare apples and oranges Joedy and you are the bad apple, spewing out sour grapes! Get a reality check slapnuts!

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    1. PSU has a better recruiting class...
      went through more than Pitt this year...
      got a better record than Pitt...
      and O'Brien is winning all sorts of coach of the year awards...

      The problem with... "if you win they will come" theory...
      you need players to win...
      and if you can't recruit the players... first and foremost... the wins will never come.
      2013 is an easy class to recruit for.... why, 2011 and 2012 sucked... real easy to go to top recruits and tell them they may play early and often.

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    2. Recruiting is such a subjective thing that you don't really know how a class will pan out until 2-3 years from now. To say PSU has a better recruiting class is something that won't be truly known for a couple years.

      For the life of me, why is every post of yours negative? Why do you insist on judging Chryst after only one year? You seem to have an irrational dislike of the man.

      Players are coming to Pitt. Maybe not the ones you think they should have, but let's see how the program is in a few years.

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  60. Joe D,

    You forgot to mention this in a Trib article as well...almost seems like Lyons is expecting Foster to change his mind and look at what he says about Engram:

    “This is a verbal,” said Central Valley coach Mark Lyons, who said Foster “probably” changed his mind multiple times Friday morning. “That‘s why I don‘t know if this is always the best thing to do it this early. But for him, it was the right thing to do.

    “I‘m never going to say anything is over, but right now, he is comfortable with this.”

    Lyons was impressed with Engram‘s thorough approach to recruiting Foster.

    “He spent many days not only coming to school and meeting Robert and his teachers,” Lyons said, “but he drove around to people in the community. He wanted to get to know Robert as a person."

    Again, something ain't jiving in this one.

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  61. Huff, Dan, I have to agree with you guys. If every post that you make spouts negativity, you are a negative prick. Being a negative prick on a public forum such as this is does absolutely nothing to help the University that you are on here to follow. I have read negative comments from many guys but they are followed with positive ones once in a while.

    If the recruits and opposing coaches read this shit we're giving them more ammo to recruit against us. I can just see Saban telling Foster "They don't have any track stars at Pitt. How are you going to get the ball there?? Just ask Joe D."

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    1. I agree Hagen. Joe D seems to have an anti-Chryst agenda. It seems everything he writes is negative. A fair-minded, objective person would have something positive to say occasionally, but not him.

      He complains about Pitt's recruiting, but most, if not all, he writes on this blog are negative comments which I would imagine recruits read. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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    2. Pitt should be greatful for fans like you..
      Diehards thick and thin..

      I'm not anti-Chryst...
      Just anti-Pitt fans who think he is doing a good job recruiting... Just the facts on that one.
      He finally started to turn it around... if you recall my posts the past 2 months.. but may be tooo little tooo late.
      Hey...
      how's that "coach'm up" working for you!!!
      For people to say Pitts football program the last 2 years was in the gutter??? You kidding me!! and compared to PSU this year??? no comparison.
      O'Brien is truly a good coach...
      and he can recruit also!!!

      Chryst is being paid nearly $2million and should be held accountable for measurable results...
      W-L, recruiting rank, etc.
      At Maryland, all coaches get bonuses based upon recruiting ranking using both rivals and scout!!! I like that...

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    3. Chryst hasn't proved that he's a great coach and a great recruiter yet, but he hasn't proved that he's a flop either. Far from it, actually. He can still end up with a very good recruiting class and I think he has a chance next season to prove that he's a good head coach. It's WAY too early to know one way or the other if he'll be a flop or not but there's actually more proof that he won't be.

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  62. Just read... Pitt got another committ...
    Julius James of Florida as a CB...
    I didn't find a milesplit page... but he ran track in HS>.. found a athletic.net profile of Julius James..
    Slow, slow, slow.... for a CB....
    This is who Pitt can land instead of Foster!!!
    his 10grade times were pathetic...
    1:07 in 400... my daughter in 8th grade was 1:10.
    2:18 in 800... my daughter in 8th grade was 2:46.

    The only good thing... his times improved dramatically for 11th grade.
    http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=3097788

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    1. I here you joe and the seed is an absolute concern. However what this fella has going dr him is that he is from Florida, and if the information on rivals is right both boise state and Cincinnati wanted him. Wouldn't u say over the past decade or so those two programs have been light years better than pitt. So if u don't trust pitt judgement ou can trust theirs...

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    2. Do you know how much changes especially with high school kids over 2 years? This is a joke. And his teammate dominic walker said that julius can fly. He had good offers and is from florida... Is that not what every pitt fan craves?

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    3. pk..
      His 100m time in 11th grade is 11.69...
      hardly flying..
      his 200m in 11th grade is 23.75...
      That is slow, slow, slow for a DB...

      Dominic Walker 11th grade 200m is 23.83...
      he ran a 100m in 10th grade at 11.94...
      He is slower than Julius...

      by comparison... Shai McKenzie of Washington was sub 11.00 in 10th grade... that is impressive for a kid over 200#. Julius James is 170# soaking wet!

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    4. yet recruiting site directors talk about their speed and acceleration. have you watched julius' highlights? he is fast. I dont care about 100m track times. find me one play where he will run 100m aka 109 yards in a strait line on the football field.

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    5. pk..
      people said Rushel Shell was fast... I said Shell had quick feet but not fast... People only had film to watch of Shell as compared to other wpial players which you know wpial is slow, slow, slow.
      Now that you saw Shell at Pitt... can I say, told you so!!!
      EvansHS is in 3A in Florida.. Florida has 6 sections.
      perhaps most of his competition is slower!!
      Stopwatch doesn't lie...
      Bottom line...
      James Julius was so slow in 10th grade... there are 10th grade girls that could beat him in the 400 or 800m!!! The events he ran.

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    6. I hate to break it to you but an 11.69 100m is above average speed. It's definitely not slow.

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    7. To use as a comparison...
      Scott Orndoff (who I consider fast for his size and position)...
      Scotts 10th grade PR's...
      100m - 11.62
      200m - 24.05
      400m - 54.04
      Don't know what Orndoff size and weight were as 10th grader. Clearly taller and heavier than Evans or Walker.
      CB's and WR's should be much faster than a TE... should be under 11.3 as 11th grader.

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  63. What a beautiful left handed layup by James Robinson. They guy is incredible. We are lucky to have him...

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  64. Birch in his 3rd game...
    20pts in 29 min...
    7 of 8 shooting..
    8 rebounds
    6 blocked shots...
    nice..
    sorry that he left Pitt.

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    1. Seriously Joe? First, against whom did he put up those numbers? First game was 4 points and two boards, don't think that knocked anyone over with a feather.

      Secondly, just where would you put Birch now? I wouldn't put him in front of Zanna or Moore, and since he's spindly and proved he couldn't handle center, just where is he supposed to play?

      While Gibbs was the main problem on that team, Birch ran a close second with his attitude and sense of entitlement. He's no loss.

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    2. Birch is coming off the bench for UNLV..
      Moore would probably play the 3 if Birch had stayed.

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    1. Whos' Birch???? Who Cares????

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  66. I live is the S.E. high school playsers transfer school districts and their families are found jobs. High school coaches make over 6 figures. Foster maybe a mothers boy but his mother is suspect. What mother leaves her high school age child.
    My guess is the step-fater has a job in Birmingham or Tsucaloosa now (follow the money). Once Saban got to his mother it was a done deal.
    being in the ause he is not a nationally known recruit but high status in W.PA.he was able to get the press conference only if he dangled a local university Pitt.
    Probably a good kid but nothing good about his family just the typical pariahs coaches like Sabin prey on constantly.
    No classes, BMOC, family taken care of, and NFL in waiting.
    If he went to Pitt and if he's good it would of made no difference concerning were he played Alabama players do dot get drafted higher because they went to Alabama.

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  67. Jody, you still never addressed my questions. Why is that? You continue to spew negtivity. Why is that?

    I took a break from this site for several months because of you. You say the same thing, time after time and it's all negative. For your latest, here goes trying to fit a round peg into your square head. Penn State had a better year for W's this year than Pitt. Penn States team was loaded with three and four star player's and their coach inherited that, especially on defense. Our coach did not have that luxury. The Big10 was incredibly weak this year too. Indiana, Illinois,Northwestern and the OOC? Really? Let's see where the programs are three years from now.

    Oh, I get it. You already know what is going to happen because two years from now, you say PC will be gone because you already know. Jody, you are my favorite mayan. Doom and gloom!!Nobody cares about a players speed in the 800! The football field in the collegiate game is only 100 yards long and candidly most players don't run 100 yards at at a time. And for a CB, it's all in the hips, the hands and the total transition, all transferable skills to the 100 yard dash. NOT! NFL Scouts are always timing kids in the 100....NOT!!! Especially the high school kids...NOT!!

    Every kid gets coached up Joedy. What I don't understand is that many here have tried to coach you up about being a positive teammate, yet you failed. You have been rated here Joedy and unfortunately, you get a one star, just because you have shown enough intelligence to navigate the sign on process of your computer. As far as content, it's the same drab. Sorry Doke, but I need another break from the negativity. Joedy is one of the reasons, the Pitt fan base is fractured. No other operator at Alabama, WVU or any other prideful team blogger would allow such negativity and for that reason, I am out for awhile. Will check back in 2013 to see if things change.

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    1. Geez Huff - it's like Joe D is attacking you personally - if you let some guy on a blog get to you like that, it's your problem not his.

      Relax.

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    2. Zatiti, not to speak for Huff, but I think his frustration with Joe D is limited to his posts, and isn't a personal thing.

      Huff's frustration with Joe D is shared by a good number of people, and I believe it's mainly because the majority of his posts are negative towards Pitt.

      A new recruit signs on with Pitt; Joe D will write something negative about his track times that have very little to do with his ability as a football player. He is relentless in his criticism of Coach Chryst's recruiting, and is judging him a failure after only one year.

      He claims to be a Pitt fan, but his posts suggest otherwise. He has every right to his opinions, but when they are as consistently negative as his are, it leads people to wonder about his true allegiance to Pitt.

      I'm not much for predictions, but it wouldn't surprise me that if in a couple years if Chryst does well in recruiting, we won't hear Joe D give him any credit, but if he doesn't, he'll be the first to say I told you so.

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  68. DB James Julius chooses Pitt over Boston College.

    And he runs track.

    Merry Chrystmas to All

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  69. The most important pickup Chryst will make by signing day is his Defensive Coordinator.

    The guy he chooses will have a bigger immediate impact on the team than any one single recruit.

    PittofDreams

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  70. By the way, who's working Florida for Chryst?

    They got Julius and look like they could very well land Kemp.

    Not exactly five stars, but a good start to establishing a recruiting inroad through Florida.

    PittofDreams

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    1. At first I was disappointed with the Julius commit, then I watched a-lot of highlight I'm sold. I know you can say that about every kid, but James is legit.

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    2. another kid you can say that for is matt galambos. his junior film was less than impressive, but if you watch his senior film you see a fast, play-making, hard-hitting middle linebacker that is really every bit of 6'2" 225. I wouldnt be surprised to see him play at 235-240. I guess that size part isnt a huge factor but im tired of 5'11" 220lb mlbs lol. Shane gordon is a good mlb and aaron donald said recently that mike caprara will be a good player but theyre so small.

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  71. Christmas Eve and talking pitt football and hoops. I love it. Yes the emphasis on Florida recruiting is excellent. I wrote a while back if I was coach cryst I would ask for te dough to have a full time recruing assistant in Florida.
    I agree with joe d that it would be great to still have birch here provided he wanted to be here. Yes Zanna is doing great at power forward but how nice would it be to have birch as well.
    Problem was from the first time I saw birch at green tree last year he had the deer in head lights look. Once skerry left he was done. Plus diixon had to real ease someone to make room for birch late and I am sure that caused resentment from Gibbs and the other plays. All in all just not a good situation from the get-go...
    Still would be nice to have him right now...

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  72. Anonymous, Birch who? You can't worry about people who don't want to be here. There are players want to play at Pitt and others who don't. Birch obviously didn't want to be a Panther. Not everyone wants to play defence or subordinate some of the things they want to do, for what the team needs. I know he is a talented player, but honestly the teams is better off without him. He was starting , but still sharing time with some of the upper classmen. If he was unhappy with the playing time he was getting as freshman new to the program, he would never have been happy in Jamie Dixon's system at Pitt. As good as he is, the Panthers are better off without him.

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    1. Frankly, I think Gibbs screwed up last years team...
      He was sulking all the time...
      He made others on the team feel that they owed him so Gibbs would take most of the shots while others would pass them up...

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    2. That's right Joe D - Gibbs was an absolute cancer on last year's team.

      Don't know if he was the primary reason that Birch left but, I'm sure he didn't help matters.

      Whatever - as other have mentioned, his departure certainly lead to Zanna's developing.

      If Taylor and the rest of this team for that matter stays healthy - look out come March.

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  73. Got the answer on who was active in reeling in James Julius.

    Matt House and Dann Kabala.

    PittofDreams

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  74. Why??
    Why would Pitt pull the scholarship from Covington of NC (who committed to Pitt early) to give it to James Julius of FL??
    Covington has much better measurables...
    Covington had better offers...

    I thought when they did that... it was to make room for Foster, Boyd and a few BIG's.... since Pitt only has 19 ships to offer it clearly means some players will be leaving as Pitt is over the number already.

    Regarding Walker... I like what Vanderbilt did..
    Walker committed to Vandy... then he said he was going to take his 5 official visits... Vandy asked Walker... are you committed or what... so Vandy pulled the offer!!
    Good for Vandy..

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    1. Also Joe,

      Where is your info of Pitt pulling the scholarship? Link? Word of mouth? Guess?

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    2. Covington decommited from Pitt. Scout broke that story a long time ago. Pitt didn't pull no offer. Julius is better anyways.

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    3. Thanks Chi-town Sean. I would be surprised if they had for various reasons...Kid has good potential, good offers, and from a recruiting area we are focusing on with moving to the ACC.

      Also, I try to take whatever Joe D says w/ a grain of salt. His agenda sometimes trumps actual fact. It is a fact that a while back he assured me that he is a Pitt fan. I took that with a grain of salt as well...

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  75. Covington looks squat. More of a brute than an athlete.

    Julius plays very aggressive for his size. At 160-70, a more fluid athlete who looks to be a late developer physically and as a result would appear to have a bigger upside.

    PittofDreams

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  76. Foster no come to Pitt because cant beat out challingsworth and street or Boyd he was a silent verbal until Boyd silent verbeled Pitt

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    1. R u nuts he was the #1 reciever in the country on 247 .com and rivals along with ever other site he was the # 2 reciever in the country were was chilling worth or Boyd ranked did Bama offer either one of them I don't think so he is the real deal quit being a hater be happy for the kid and if u haven't heard he is goin to be a stud at Bama read the bleacher report .
      O in by the way he is doin great in school rtr.

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