Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Panthers land big Philadelphia tackle

Entering the season, the Panthers clearly needed a big influx of talent and depth on the offensive line.  While only one, Dorian Johnson, can be considered an elite recruit, Alex Officer and Aaron Reese have high ceilings, and Carson Baker adds depth on the inside.

But to top off the five person offensive linemen class is 6'7" 310 pound Jaryd Jones-Smith of West Catholic HS in Philadelphia, who chose the Panthers today over his other finalist, Virginia.  Other offers included Wisconsin, Michigan, NC State, and Virginia.

Jones-Smith obviously has a great wingspan, but he also moves very well and has the frame to add more weight.  He must, however, work on  the strength in his lower body.

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  1. IS there a lead recruiter for those Eastern Pa kids? We seem to have that area pretty well covered. Moody, Smith, Galambos, Soto, and Reese.

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    1. i could be wrong but i think it is desmond robinson

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    2. Jones-Smith and Moody was Hueber, Galambos was Haering, Soto was Bollinger, and Reese was Engram.

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  2. it is finally nice to see a coach get some Olinemen. It will take at least two more classes like this to be where we need to be. Now if the Wisconsin system works in the ACC like it did in the big ten then we can feel good about it

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  3. I'm assuming they would've been possible PSU recruits if they didn't have limitations from sanctions. PSU always cleaned up in the Philly area and is much bigger draw than Pitt there. Hopefully it is due to a specific recruiter because we can then count on great recruiting continuing in that area.

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  4. Joe D, tighten the belt on your pants.

    Chris Peak tweeted that Jones-Smith is running the 100 and 200 meter in track this spring.

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    1. Jones-Smith is on the track team..
      Shot Put...
      38 feet... so lacking in upper body strength...
      Per his rivals profile, his max bench is 255#... which means he has a lot of work to do in the weight room. Clearly a redshirt frosh.
      But, I heard rec'd to do the throws for Olineman.. helps with footwork.

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    2. well, that info on rivals has to be outdated. i cant imagine that he has a smaller bench than me and i weigh 170lbs

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    3. pk, I thought you weren't into measurables.
      He did nike sparq combine.. 59.8 sparq rating which is low.
      5.70 in 40
      5.29 shuttle
      36' powerball
      21.4" vertical jump...
      6'6", 297#

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    4. i didnt say im not into measurables, just that theyre often over hyped. however, he has a 7'4" wingspan so that is not exactly ideal for high bench stats. the big thing with him is he is huge and can move. The strength and technique will come with college training. The basics are there so im not too worried about the rest of that

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  5. chris, with Johnson needing to get bigger, Jones needing to get stronger, Baker a project....which one of these kids will have an impact early? which ones will redshirt?

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    1. The only one who even has a chance to play is Johnson. Very, very rarely does an OL play as a true freshman. Just not strong enough to go against grown ass men.

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    2. Tend to agree in general here but did fairly well against Robert Nkemdiche in the UA who is most definitely a grown ass man-child. You may be right but I see no way he takes red-shirt (not saying starts right off the bat). Side Note: Saw Biz in cafe yesterday...very impressive looking for a lineman...hopefully all the rave about him is accurate and future could be bright at tackle.

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    3. Keep an eye on Gabe Roberts too. He could be another redshirt freshman who could start.

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    4. I remember lot of talk about him during camp. Would be very excited for him to play as well. Not only because I hope he's actually better than our current linemen, but tells me coaches have good idea of judging o-line talent and maybe people will be quiet about judging prospects til they actually play (doubtful). Plus 3 out of 5 linemen being RS fresh or true fresh (assuming Biz and DJ play) would most likely only mean future would be bright at oline. Personally, other offensive positions seem on the right track in the near future. 2014 will be huge for Pitt success if they can keep most of the local talent home. Lot of natural talent from what I've read and watched online etc.

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  6. Now, how about a quick back to run behind "those big palookas up front?"

    PittofDreams

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  7. Class is starting to round out nicely even without foster. Kemp still remains top priority. It looks better than I thought it would at the beginning of year with MAC recruits and kickers and also given Chryst clueless type personality.

    I was curious too see # recruits past few years so I looked it up per rivals.

    02 - 23
    03 - 26
    04 - 25
    05 -23
    06 - 27
    07-24
    08-19
    09-20
    10-24
    11-21
    12-16
    13-24 so far

    KRF

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  8. Anybody heard anything on kemp?

    Scott

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    1. He visited Kentucky this passed weekend, he used to have himself in a pitt uni on his twitter account but recently changed it. Kentucky had an limo take him home from the airport when he landed back home. Nice move!!!

      KRF

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    2. Technically that's a violation.

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    3. apparently kentucky students made signs with recruits' names and pictures on them too... the zoo has been told many times that they cant do that because it is a violation

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    4. Chris...there's no rules n the SEC. You know that

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  9. Welcome to Pitt Jaryd! Nice work Coach Chryst and staff. Keep it rolling.

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  10. Who do you think starts for the o-line at the beginning of the season?

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  11. Are there any surprise recruits for the 2013 class that the panthers are still targeting. Such as, ones in the top 100. I've seen a lot of top recruit have been taking more visits to other schools after commiting elsewhere.

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  12. Unfortunately, these last few years Pitt has been much more interesting off the field, than on. What is the coaching staff going to do about the loser attitude that permiates this program?

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  13. Any info on Chris Britton maybe getting an offer (apparently visiting pitt?)? GREAT film and only first year playing football. Got a 90 rating on 247Sports which doesnt mean much to me, but based on his film, they saw what I saw. Could be good steal late in process....

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    1. This is the time every year where Harrisburg kids come into the discussion because they are always so tantalizing with their talent level. But the problem is, they very rarely are eligible. But if he can be eligible he clearly has serious athletic skills and would be a nice steal.

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    2. Anon, seems like they got rid of a lot of these types and are replacing them with as PC said, players who want to play for Pitt.

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  14. Let's not forget about TJ Clemmons.

    Would not have made sense to have him move over from defense if he wasn't likely to have a good shot at playing time.

    PittofDreams

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  15. Sell him the dream and stash him in prep school. What else can you do?

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  16. pitt got a commitment this morning from jeremiah taleni, a hawaiian nose tackle. Hes got great size. hes listed at 6'2" 315lbs. also had offer from nevada and was recruited by a bunch of pac12 schools. watch his film on hudle. for his size he can really move

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  17. Pitt picked up a commit from Hawaii...Jeremiah Taleni, DT, about 325LBS

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  18. The big pineapple committed last night. Jeremiah Taleni 6'2 315. We got 630lbs of commit last night. I don't know why we are recruiting in Hawaii probably the same reason we recruited in New Zealand for Steven Adams. Maybe Jeremiah can hitch a ride with him home.

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  19. Chris, can you tell us anything about this Hawaiin kid that just committed?

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    1. Well, he's more like 6'0" tall from what I was told and he just recently got a very late offer from Nevada. Washington State and UMass were earlier offers but they stopped recruiting him. Needless to say, he's a plan D recruit. I don't see the supposed quickness many want to say he has, and he's playing in inferior competition. Maybe he will develop into a run stuffer someday. I could see much better options if this is the type of player they wanted. Hell, Tyler Haddock of Montour is a similar prospect who is better.

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    2. By the way, at the Nike combine he ran a 5.68 in the 40 and had a 19.9" vertical.

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    3. Hey, he's faster than Jones-Smith!

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  20. He squatted 545. When he was 16. Maybe not as athletic as you'd like but strong with a low center of gravity. He'll stuff the run in the middle. Plus he's an islander. You know these guys always develop into great linemen.

    http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/hi/kailua/kailua-high-school/jeremiah-taleni

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    1. No, they don't always. You only pay attention to the ones that do.

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  21. I can remember Joe D. asking "Where's the Beef?" Holy Hell, I thinkk it's on the offensive and defensive lines! I kinda like the Hawaiian recruit...I'm kinda stereo-typing but the Hawaiian kids and Samoan kids tend to be nasty as hell. They usually aren't soft. I also like the number of OL and DL that they recruited, building the team from the trenches out.

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    1. Finally some Olineman and Dlineman.
      The 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes did not have enough Olineman and Dlineman.
      Lets hope some of these pan out or at least provide competition for the starting position.
      It will be interesting as to who transfers out between now an end of spring ball.

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    2. Right now... 23 scholarships available.
      25 committs plus Savage gets one for 2013/14 year.
      So, 3 currently on scholarship may get pulled.

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    3. why do you insist that pitt only has 23 scholarships? they have 28/29 and that is not only the correct math, but chris peak, bob lichtenfels, greg croft, etc all concur that its 28/29.

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    4. They are saying the class may hit 28 or 29.
      None of them said that is how many scholarships are available.
      Here is the last scholarship board by Peak.
      Deduct a few that left since he updated... The number of scholarships available as of today is 23.

      http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=996&CID=1343057

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    5. Pk.. look at the link.
      15 Seniors plus 4 (81 on list and max is 85)
      So that is 19.
      Then add Zenel D, Ricketts, Carozoni, Davis that left after the list compiled...
      That is 23 scholarships available.

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    6. 18 kids are seniors including demhasaj plus about 6/7 transfers is 25. Then there were 4 early enrollees. that is 28/29 available scholarships. I am using the official pitt site for the roster. and they are saying 28/29 not because of some random number they thought of. they dont know who else will leave! that is the real number crunch

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    7. The official Pitt site..
      not everyone on the roster has a scholarship...
      Your wrong PK...
      You obviously didn't take the time to look at the scholarship board compiled by Chris Peak and updated 11/26/12... I provided the link.
      Keep in mind, 85 is the max limit... it doesn't matter when they enroll provided they had room for them to enroll early which in Pitt's case they did.
      They only have 23 scholarships to offer as of today.

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    8. more players have transferred since then. Also, these reporters would not say pitt has 28/29 scholarships available if they did not, indeed, have those scholarships.

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    9. PK...
      List the players that have left the program that are on the scholarship list after 11/26.
      Provide the link where anyone says there are 28/29 scholarships for Pitt to give out.
      You can't do that.
      Give it up...
      Right now the number stands at 23... I'm not saying there won't be more leaving the program or that the walkon's that got a scholarship won't get it next year... ie. Both the Long Snapper, Wneuster the Wr for instance.

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    10. Pitt has told many of us that they could go as high as 29. They seem to be running out of possibilities though so it's looking like they may not reach that number.

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    11. thank you chris...

      and joe, i could very easily do that but it is mentioned in vip boards so it would not be available to you or anyone f a link was provided

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    12. Yes,
      They could bring in 29 players... that's not the point. The point is, they currently don't have 29 scholarships to give. There is no link, etc that says, Pitt has 29 scholarships to give. If so, provide the link.
      They have 23 as of today.
      I expect a few more out the door by end of spring.

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    13. i told you why i cant. asking more will not make the circumstances change

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  22. And I hate to play the geek card, but I'm going to, because I like this kid's energy and the fact that we are bringing some diversity to the team. And because you guys are probably the most negative coffe-clatch of football fans I've ever been around.

    Taleni had a SPARQ rating of 75.84.

    Justin Moody has a SPARQ rating of 74.73.

    Jaryd Jones Smith as a SPARQ rating of 63.24.

    Tyler Haddock does not have a SPARQ rating, but ESPN rates him at 69. They rated Taleni at 70.

    So yea, this guy is obviously going to be a bust.






    "SPARQ is a rating system designed to measure sport-specific athleticism. The results from these tests are combined and weighted using a formula specific to football."
    -http://www.topendsports.com/sport/gridiron/football-sparq.htm

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    1. I don't know if he'll be a bust or not but Hawaii didn't even recruit him. This is clearly just Breckterfield trying to bring in a Hawaiian. He even said it.

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    2. Chris, agree completely on your Breckterfield thought. I believe this kid is a major long shot.

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    3. Just for the record, I'm not saying the kid won't be good. Who knows? I just don't see the point of going all the way to Hawaii to bring in a lightly recruited player. They could have got him closer to home and there would be less of a chance that he would leave. That's what people have to understand. Kids from far away rarely stay the entire time if they aren't playing.

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    4. I don't think it is worth using a scholarship on Taleni. The chances of him leaving after 2 years is 50/50 in my book... so that means waste of time whereby Pitt could be developing someone else.
      Taleni weighed in at 340# at Hawii combine.
      Unless Pitt is going to a 3-4 defense, the kid needs to lose some weight.

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    5. Don't forget that scholarships are only for one year and Pitt had some walk ons that they gave scholarships to last year who may not get them this year.

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    6. As a comparison... Bisnowaty sparq was 82.8.
      He was 6'6", 265#.
      5.31 in 40
      4.72 in shuttle
      25.8" vertical jump
      42.5 powerball
      Sparq equation factors in weight of person.
      My concern is Taleni weight of 340#.
      Concern of Jones-Smith is his strength.
      What I do like... Chryst is NOT going to keep someone on scholarship who is not putting in the work!!

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    7. Rivals has Taleni listed at 315, so someone is wrong here.

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    8. Well considering the fact that he was weighed at the Nike combine and he was 340, I think we know who's wrong.

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  23. Saw James Franklin.. Vandy HC biz card on footballscoop...
    Must be the coolest biz card I have ever seen!!!

    https://twitter.com/VandyGold21/status/291284413675872258/photo/1/large

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  24. Chris,

    ANy word on Nigel Harris? Did he visit this weekend?

    Also, what are your thoughts on Britton? I assume he is a raw athlete (transitioned from hoops) but 24/7 grades at a 90 (for what it is worth) so someone sees potential in him.

    Thanks.

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  25. Don't look now but Taleni has been given 3 stars by espn

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    1. I don't see how anyone can criticize this kids signing. He's huge and despite what Chris says, has very nice quickness. Imo, I see it on the tape. Don't care about the competition...340 and can move. He's from Hawaii...he wasn't recruited heavily...so what. If the kid can play and is willing to work he could come from Papua New Guinea for all I care. I think it's unfair to say that he is not worthy of a scholarship just because he's from far away. People actually like to try new and different experiences as they go through life. Mark it down: Jeremiah will be a productive starter for the Panthers, (I think they go 3-4 before too long) and he graduates with a degree from the University of Pittsburgh.

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    2. How do you know Chris.....they haven't hired a DC yet ;-)

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  26. i think you guys are looking too much at taleni's 40 time and vertical etc. He is a nose tackle.... he is literally just there to take up space and not get pushed backwards and at 340lbs he should be able to do that quite well. Im not going to say pitt couldnt have done better but i like the pickup. besides, he likely wont play until 2015 at the earliest anyways just based off of numbers. at the nose next year pitt has ty ezell, kk, and tyrique jarrett who will likely be ahead of him

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    1. He won't be at 340 at Pitt. He'll be asked to lose weight. He went to Hawaii's junior day. They know these kids better than anybody. Not only didn't they not offer him, they didn't even recruit him. Does that mean he won't be good? No. Let me repeat that so people won't say I said something I didn't say. I DO NOT KNOW IF HE WILL BE GOOD OR NOT.

      All I'm saying is he's clearly far from a sure thing, and every year at this time we have to hear the Pitt fans think every single prospect is going to be a really good player, when in reality less than half of them will be. At this time two years from now, all of these kids that the fans were high on now will be called busts later, and it's not the problem of the players, it's the problem of the fans who think every single one of these kids is going to be a star. If the fans look at hese things rationally they will be less disappointed in the future.

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    2. I think the issue is... at least for me..
      he won't last.. 2 years and he will be gone.
      Pitt doesn't have a good track record of keeping players that are west of the Mississippi.

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    3. The clear benefit of recruiting in the general area is that if a kid isn't a starter, he will be much more likely to stay and keep the depth. Kids outside of the area have no incentive to stay if they aren't getting the playing time they want so they do leave a lot more often.

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    4. im not saying he will be good either. i said at 340lbs he should be able to take up space well. i just think its irrelevant to examine a nose tackles 40 time and vertical leap. and as i said, i think pitt could have done better. if anything, this offer was just to add another big body to the roster

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    5. The only reason why I mention his speed and athleticism was because people kept raving about his speed and athleticism.

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    6. i said he was quick, which i saw on his film on hudl and im not the only one who thinks that. to be 100% honest, i would have rather pitt got a 3 technique. that is more of a problem than nose, imo, or at least a more pressing one.

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    7. I didn't think he was a slug but I wouldn't exactly call him quick. Colleges know about Hawaii kids. If he was 340 pounds and quick he would have a lot more offers than Pitt and Nevada.

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    8. I wont argue with that.

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  27. Has inoke been the primary recruiter for any other kids? Is PC throwing him a bone to make invoke feel better or was it inoke trying to prove a point that he can land a guy too.

    Either way I agree with Chris should have jjust went after haddock.
    KRF

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    1. This was the first, and probably the only, kid that Breckterfield will bring in for this class.

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    2. Wasn't Breckerfield recruiting down south... Georgia or something like that.

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    3. Wow, why does this guy have a job if he is responsible for 1 recruit? DL coaches should be a top notch recruiter. How hard is it to coach DL. U need speed power and tell them to go get the Qb. There's not to much technique there.
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  28. This kid is only 16 years old? If so don't you think he still has a lot of physical maturing to do.
    I think that is an important aspect of his being given a scholarship.
    What will he turn into at 18 or 20 for that matter.

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    1. Don't believe those birth certs out of Hawaii...
      Just say'n

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    2. Oh god, you're a birther!

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    3. No... just a joke.

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  29. Awfully quiet on the Defensive Coordinator front.

    Thinking more and more he's coming from the 49ers staff via the Chryst Brothers connection.

    Greg Jackson would be my guess.

    PittofDreams

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    1. If its him I cannot understand why they have to keep things so hush hush. He's not even a position coach. If the announcement was made, it would have ZERO impact on the 49ers upcoming games.

      BTW, I hope its not him.

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  30. What are your thoughts on what you reported on Robert fosters parents wearing Pitt Jerseys at his all star game.

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    1. I saw that too, that's pretty interesting that his family would do that. I know he was ticked at Pitt because of the meeting they had with his mother, but for his family members to wear Pitt shirts is odd.

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  31. "The clear benefit of recruiting in the general area is that if a kid isn't a starter, he will be much more likely to stay and keep the depth. Kids outside of the area have no incentive to stay if they aren't getting the playing time they want so they do leave a lot more often."

    Does the same hold true for the Fla. players that everyone wants Pitt to recruit? After all, Okefenokee sure ain't within walking distance of Oakland.

    Personally, I don't mind seeing Pitt venture beyond their typical recruiting area. Even if this kid doesn't work-out, eventually they will get some players that do contribute.

    MC

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    1. It does hold true for Florida players, too. A lot of them have left over the years, too. If a player is a highly thought of then obviously it's worth the gamble.

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