Monday, January 28, 2013

Players at Pitt's February 2nd Junior Day ***CONTINUALLY UPDATED***

There are more invitations sent out than what is on this list, and some of these kids may decide not to show up, but this group is known to have offers and have expressed interest in attending.  I will update the list over the next week.


Marcus Allen, Henry Wise HS (Upper Marlboro, MD)-  The godson of Pitt great Curtis Martin, the 6'1" 185 pound safety already holds offers from Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, and Duke.  Already visited Pitt unofficially. Maryland will be a major player.

Patrick Amara, West Catholic HS (Philadelphia, PA)- A 6'2" 170 pound WR/DB who I think is best suited as a ballhawking safety, though Pitt hasn't decided yet where he would play.  Adding another quality player from Philadelphia would be very beneficial for the program to establish themselves deeper in the area.

Troy Apke, Mt. Lebanon HS (Mt. Lebanon, PA)- A 6'2" receiver that can flat out fly, Apke has been timed at 4.43 seconds in the 40. Pitt seems to have every advantage in landing him with his father being a star Panthers linebacker in the past, and his former coach, Chris Haering being on Pitt's staff right now.  Plus, the position is not deep and he could potentially see significant time as a freshman.

Dorian Baker, Cleveland Heights HS (Cleveland Heights, OH)- Big, strong 6'3" 205 pound receiver with good speed, athleticism, and hands.  Will be one of the most recruited receivers in Ohio. Pitt was the first to offer, he has camped at Pitt, and visited when the Panthers hosted Rutgers.

Noah Beh, Scranton Prep (Scranton, PA)- Great size at 6'6" and 250 pounds.  Has the great wingspan, along with enough athleticism to be a defensive end, where he's equally good against the run or when pass rushing. And if he doesn't make it at end, he has the frame to add weight and move to the offensive line. Pitt recently offered joining UConn and Temple.

Saeed Blacknall, Manalapan HS (Manalapan, NJ)- An elite receiver who will get many offers, but he likes Pitt a lot.  He's 6'2" and 190 pounds, and has run an 11.06 100m, which is a little better than the best time Robert Foster has run.  Already has a Pitt offer.

Alex Bookser, Mt. Lebanon HS (Mt. Lebanon, PA)- Great left tackle prospect at 6'6" and 295 pounds. A huge target for the Panthers who are trying to completely change the offensive line. Could end up being one of the best offensive linemen in the country and already has offers from Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, Maryland, and Virginia.  There will be many more.

Brock Boxen, Beaver Falls HS (Beaver Falls, PA)- At 6'3" and 260 pounds, he can play as a strong side defensive end, but more than likely he will gain weight and be a defensive tackle. Tough, tenacious, and quick, he would be a major upgrade for the Pitt line and I wouldn't be surprised if he committed to Pitt early during the recruiting season.

Tyler Burke, Coatesville Area HS (Coatesville, PA)- One of the top prospects in the state, he possesses excellent speed and athleticism at an already solid 6'4" and 240 pounds.  Projects just as well as tight end, but as a linebacker he has the potential to be a big time college player. Holds offers from Maryland, Temple, and NC State but many more are coming.

Chase Caldwell, Washington Area HS (Washington, PA)- A bit of a sleeper who at 6'1" and 205 pounds will probably project to linebacker.

Donovan Cobb, Aliquippa HS (Aliquippa, PA)- Smallish linebacker at 6'0" and 212 pounds, but he's athletic and productive.

Sterling Dailey, Stone Bridge HS (Ashburn, VA)- Smallish running back at 5'10" and 177 pounds, but he runs hard between the tackles.  He also has elite level speed with a 10.8 100m.  To get speed is great, and to start to make inroads in Virginia would be just as great.

Anthony Davis, Gateway HS (Monroeville, PA)- The program needs to add some big time corners and what better way than a 6'1" cover corner who can also lower his head and hit you? Should end up with a lot of offers.

Marquel Dickerson, North Point HS (Walford, MD)- Just 5'9" and 180 pounds, but he has good speed and quickness. Had a big junior year as a junior but his size will probably turn him into a cornerback.

Joey Duckworth, Louisville HS (Louisville, OH)- Already a solid 6'3" and 210 pound quarterback with a strong arm and good mobility. More of a pocket passer that can take off than a running quarterback, but he did run a 4.6 40 at one camp. Has some MAC offers but is considered among the best quarterback prospects in Ohio so there will be more. He visited Pitt for the Louisville game and it's apparent that Pitt is very interested.

Jaleel Fields, Aliquippa HS (Aliquippa, PA)-  Doesn't have an offer yet, but considering he's coming to this junior day you have to think he'll leave with one.  At 6'2" and 270 pounds, he could join Boxen as a nice local duo to give a big talent upgrade on the defensive line.

Zaire Franklin, LaSalle College HS (Wyndmoor, PA)- The Panthers can always use more talented linebackers, and one from the Philadelphia area is an added bonus.  This 6'1" 215 pounder can run and he hits like a truck.  Potentially a big time player.

Mike Grimm, Bethel Park HS (Bethel Park, PA)- Massive 6'7" 320 pound right tackle prospect who is the perfect Paul Chryst lineman.  Will have a lot of major offers but expect a full court press by Pitt, starting now.  He likes Pitt and is already forming a strong friendship with the Pitt staff.

Connor Hayes, Traverse City West HS (Traverse City, MI)-  Already holds five offers, including Pitt.  A very good 6'4" 275 pound guard who could help open up the Michigan area.

Dravon Henry, Aliquippa HS (Aliquippa, PA)- Considered one of the better free safety prospects in the country.  While Quips usually end up at Pitt, Ohio State wants him very much so the staff has to start recruiting him hard right now. And they have.  Has a lot of close friends playing at Pitt.

Jonathan Hilliman, St. Peter's Prep (Jersey City, NJ)- One of the best running back prospects in the country, he already holds offers from the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Miami, Nebraska, and Oregon. At a muscular and fast 6'1" and 210 pounds, he is the perfect fit for Pitt (or anybody else). His father graduated from Pitt and he was the godson of Craig "Ironhead" Heyward.  Even with those connections, though, the Panthers are considered a long shot.

Courtel Jenkins, St. Anthony's HS (Jersey City, NJ)-  Pitt was on him early and so far the Panthers are his only offer. Pitt likes their defensive tackles big and Jenkins fits the bill at 6'3" and 320 pounds. Needs to lose some weight and he's not very agile, but he strong and would be great at taking up two blockers.

Adonis Jennings, Timber Creek HS (Sicklerville, NJ)- Lanky 6'3" 190 pound receiver with great length and excellent speed.  Pitt already offered, as has Temple and Rutgers.  A game breaker who will get more major offers.

Anthony Khalife, James M. Coughlin HS (Wilkes-Barre, PA)-  Kids in this area don't get noticed much, but the Panthers nabbed Shakir Soto this season and Khalife is also a defensive end at a rock solid 6'4" and 232 pounds.

Chandler Kincade, Blackhawk HS (Beaver Falls, PA)- Already verbally committed to the Panthers, the 6'5" 220 pound quarterback is an unofficial recruiter for the program, especially locally, so it's good to have him there.

Jarrett LaRubbio, Lakota East HS (Middletown, OH)- Outside of Pitt, he has just three MAC offers right now, but he's a 6'5" 270 pound guard who has good feet and is an excellent drive blocker. Got his offer after camping at Pitt and the staff likes him enough that they offered him way back in September.

A.J. Long, Friendship Christian HS (Lebanon, TN)- Small at 6'0" and 170 pounds, but he has a strong arm and he can really run. He moved from eastern PA, where Todd Graham was already well aware of him, so it's interesting that a different staff and a move away from the area did not make Pitt's interest in him wane. Already has offers from UCLA, Arizona, and Syracuse.

Darryl Long,  Westernville South HS, (Westernville, OH)-  The new staff loves tight ends and Long is one of the best in the mideast. An athletic 6'4" and 225 pounds, he already holds a Pitt offer, as well as a few others.

James McHale, Dunmore HS (Dunmore, PA)-  There's no doubt that you have to consider small competition the most when it comes to offensive linemen, and the 6'7" 300 pound McHale plays for Class A powerhouse Dunmore.  But he's right up Pitt's alley when it comes to size.

Shai McKenzie, Washington HS (Washington, PA)- The Panthers need an heir apparent for Rushel Shell and this kid would be a great fit.  He's a muscular 6'0" and 210 pounds, and he also runs a blazing 10.83 100m.  Will be a national recruit with probably 30-40 offers.  A must get.

Montae Nicholson, Gateway HS (Monroeville, PA)- Maybe the top player in the state, at 6'3" 200 he will probably end up at safety but he could be just as good as a receiver.  Fans doubt Gateway players but this kid has actually done it against top competition in various camps and combines. Pitt, Penn State, West Virginia, Michigan, and Ohio State are among the early offers and Pitt is probably considered a long shot.

Andre Robinson, Bishop McDevitt HS (Harrisburg, PA) Class of 2015-  Stocky and fast rising junior who could be a national recruit at 5'10" and 190 pounds. Has been sharing the duties on a loaded team but eventually he's going to explode.

DeAndre Scott, Imhotep Charter School (Philadelphia, PA)- He's only 5'9" and 175 pounds, but he absolutely destroys people when he hits them.  He's such a vicious hitter that people in the area compare him to former Eagles great Brian Dawkins. Also has excellent 11.37 100m speed. His coach claims Scott has offers from the likes of Texas, Miami, and Tennessee.  Obviously Pitt will offer, too.

Terry Swanson, Aliquippa HS (Aliquippa, PA)- Small at 5'9" and 180 pounds, but he is a good back with quickness and speed. He can also project to defensive back.  He has made it pretty apparent that if Pitt offered him he would probably commit to them.

Brenon Thrift, Gateway HS (Monroeville, PA)- Another Gateway player, but he was considered an excellent product even before he transferred from Steel Valley.  Muscular and athletic 6'3" and 245 pounds.  He says schools are recruiting him for middle linebacker but he played defensive end last season and I think that may be the best fit for him. Pitt, West Virginia, and Michigan have offered.

Micah Till, Henry Wise HS (Upper Marlboro, MD)-  Teammate of Marcus Allen on maybe the most loaded team in Maryland, the 6'5" 260 pounder actually played tight end (and often lined up wide) this past season due to his great athleticism. Will likely end up as an offensive lineman at the next level, though he could end up playing basketball in college.

Troy Vincent, Gilman School (baltimore, MD)- The son of the former NFL Pro Bowl defensive back of the same name, Vincent was a surprise attendee, but a welcome one.  One of the best corner prospects in the country at 5'10" and 180 pounds. Already holds offers from Pitt, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, West Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Rutgers, and his dad's alma mater, Wisconsin.

Maurice Ways, Detroit Country Day School (Beverly Hills, MI)-  Tall, lanky 6'3" 180 pound receiver with good speed and athleticism.  Has a couple of MAC offers now but bigger offers are on the way.

Antoine White, Millville HS (Millville, NJ)- Explosive 6'3" 255 pound defensive tackle who has great quickness and strength. It would really help the program if they can start to get highly talented players like this out of New Jersey.

Jordan Whitehead, Central Valley HS (Monaca, PA) Class of 2015-  The next big thing in the state of PA, the rising junior has everything it takes to be a superstar cornerback. Just 5'10" and 170 pounds but has elite level speed, quickness, and agility.

K.J. Williams, Liberty HS (Bethlehem, PA)-  A probable top 5 player in the state and one of the best receivers in the east, the 6'2" 190 pounder has everything it takes to be a big time receiver.  Same school as Devin Street.  Already holds a Pitt offer.

Chase Winovich, Thomas Jefferson HS (Jefferson Hills, PA)- One of my favorites before he even had an offer, the former safety is still built more like a safety at 6'4" and 205 pounds, but he has superb range. Once he adds the weight, he could be a beast. Recently picked up a Pitt offer, then followed it up with offers from Florida State, West Virginia, and Northwestern.

Daquan Worley, Coatesville Area HS (Coatesville, PA)- Super fast and quick athlete who at 5'10" and 170 pounds could play at running back, slot receiver, or cornerback. Doesn't hold a Pitt offer yet, but considering he's coming to this Junior Day, one seems imminent.

Elijah Zeise, North Allegheny HS (Wexford, PA)-  Good 6'2" 190 pound size and very good speed. Seems best suited at safety, and that's what most are recruiting him for, but Pitt currently likes him as a receiver. Pitt, Arizona, and Temple have offered. With his dad being Pitt's longtime beat writer you would assume he grew up a Pitt fan.


116 comments:

  1. 4 kids from Quippa.... and 3 from Gateway..
    Do the 4 Quips have offers? Fields and Henry are no brainers. Swanson is better than advertised and clearly worthy of an offer. Cobb I don't know much about.

    Hope we don't lose Boyd.

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    1. If you read the Trib article over the weekend and believe Boyds mother, he is sticking with Pitt.

      http://triblive.com/sports/hssports/highschoolrecruiting/3359384-74/payne-boyd-recruiting

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    2. I believe Fosters mom said something similar..
      So... until he signs, nobody knows for sure.

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    3. According to a poster on PantherDigest, Sterling Dailey has family in Aliquippa.

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    4. Dailey is fast, fast, fast... 4.38 in 40...

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    5. true though 3 difference I can think of:

      1. Boyd's mother is living in town. Wasn't Foster's in Philly?
      2. Didn't see any mention of Boyd's father, whereas Foster's became quite prominent.
      3. Most importantly, WVU sure as hell isn't Alabama.

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    6. Pantherlair tweeted Fields got his 1st offer yesterday... from Temple.
      smh... why was Pitt not the first to offer? Pitt coaches have watched quips play several times including at Hershey for PIAA finals.
      I don't get Chryst's recruiting tactics. He still doesn't get it.
      It was reported, O'Brien visited Quip HS to personally invite 4 players to PSU Jr. Day. That is how you do it!!

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  2. Hey Chris, this is great information. It's good to see the coaching staff is getting on it early. Do you know what exactly goes on during these Junior days? Is it a dog and pony show? Is there coaching? What do you think makes Pitt's junior day different from say one at Ped State or TattoOSU?

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  3. Love the info - Thanks Chris.

    One question: Why do you have the one player that has made it fairly clear that he wants to go south as a one "must get?" (Shai McKenzie)

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  4. He's a must get because he's a highly rated and coveted local player at a position of need. And Pitt is very much in the race to get him. He likes Pitt.

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  5. Boyd has been tweeting an awful lot about WVU the last few days

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  6. Ironhead was Jonathan Hilliman's godfather. Jonathan just always referred to him as "Uncle."

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    1. Hilliman may be more a LB instead of RB. He has gotten slower from 10th grade to 11th grade in 100 & 200m. He doesn't have RB speed in my opinion.

      I saw Blackwall play football in the fall and also at a track meet last week. He is fast. His 6.67 in 55m ranks 25th in state out of over 3000. I think he is Rutgers to lose...

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  7. I can remember attending a Pitt game about 5 years ago or so, and I sat near what appeared to be a very nice family ..a mom and 3 kids with a boy who looked to be in the 5th or 6th grade. At halftime, I saw Paul Zeise come over to spend a few minutes with his family before retuurning to the press box (I assume.)

    So assuming it was Elijah, he certainly seemed to be enjoying the game and hope he has the same enthusiam towards Pitt football now.

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  8. Hey Fellas Jojo Kemp announces Friday. My money says Pitt. Check out his twitter feed. Shell hosted his visit. Put the pieces together.

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  9. Despite what Fraud Graham would have one think, I believe the shared UPMC training facility will make a positive impression upon the kids. Perhaps PC can arrange for Mike Tomlin to pass by.

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  10. Thanks for the info. One thing that jumps out at me is how many of the recruits are from PA, OH, NJ, etc. Is this normal for Junior Day or should there be concern that we aren't seeing guys from the South? (thinking the ACC connection should help us out)

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    1. They have to pay their own way so most kids can't afford to go far.

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    2. Are the schools allowed to provide lodging and meals?

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    3. The school can't pay for any of that. Basically, they will watch Pitt host Syracuse at noon, and be shown around the campus and the facilities. And some kids who haven't been offered yet will be usually brought into the office and told that they have an offer. That's basically it.

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  11. Former Oak Hill ResidentJanuary 29, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Thanks for the info Chris. Question though, should we be worried about no invites coming in from some of the more traditional out of state powerhouse teams. I’ve heard you mention before that Pitt needs to do a better job targeting New Jersey and Maryland, but I see no one from Don Bosco Prep (NJ), DeMatha (MD), Good Counsel (MD), Gilman (MD) or Friendship Collegiate (DC).

    Also, do you think Pitt has a chance with Brock Ruble the 6’9 309 lb tackle out of DeMatha?

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  12. In the previous thread I mentioned that for Pitt to have any chance at all against Louisville James Robinson needed to play at least 35 minutes a game. Well, he only played 20 and we all know what happened...turnover city.
    I know he was on foul trouble the first half but I don't really understand this whole mass substitution thing to keep the guys fresh. Silva played 40 minutes and their big guy played 39 and that didn't seem to impact their game. I mean these are 20 year old kids for goidnessakes. They should be able to play all night long. Please coach Dixon stay with your best six or seven men and see what they can do...

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    1. Disagree with that strategy.
      Pitt's strength is it's bench...
      And if you watched closely, Louisville knew how to defend Robinson... he can't go left... so they overplay to his right side forcing him to pass left, go left, or pickup his dribble.
      But overall, Pitt played... ok.
      now if they can hit fouls shots...
      and stop with the pass, pass, pass... jesus. run the floor and run the doors off opponents by rotating players... you win in the last 5min of the game.

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  13. hit foul shots you win the game. the ceiling is up with this team as they are improving each game. They still need to win a big game that has dogged them this year.

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  14. Looks like the only player is Kemp that's left for this class. I don't think we land him either. He dropped TN, from his top 4 but added USF after a visit there. WVU can't be in the discussion they have 5 backs are you kidding me.It's either us or Kentucky I hope and I bet he chooses kentucky. So 27 it is as long as everyone who verbal-ed stays and we don't pick up any surprises. Let the verbals for 2014 begin hope they come in soon and stay with pitt through the process. We watched as Samuelson, Clement, Covington, and Julius (thus far)from this class part ways with us one way or the other. But we switched Johnson from PSU,Orndoff from Wisconsin, and Webb from Kent(thus far) so it worked out mostly.

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    1. ive certainly been wrong before but my gut says kemp chooses pitt. he hasnt talked about his other visits like he talked about pitt. if pitt gets kemp, i think the staff should just wrap up this class and make sure nobody decommits. save the last 2 ships for next year. that still only puts pitt at 16-17 for next year though

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    2. There are always ways to get to 20, which I assume is what they'll have next year.

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    3. Chryst would not be "saving" 2 scholarships...
      he would just not cut 2 more at this time...
      If everyone signs, it will be interesting to see how he gets to 85. Currently, 5 to cut or pull ships from walkons he gave last year... ie. the long snapper, etc.
      Easily get to 20 for 2014.

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  15. Chris,

    Assuming the 2013 class stays status quo, does that give Pitt any momentum for 2014? Assuming we get all the "must-gets" in 2014, will that class have more upside than 2013? It seems to me that 2014 has higher end talent, but the 2013 is pretty deep.

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    1. The momentum comes from getting on the 2014 kids much earlier than they did the 2013 kids. Because Chryst and the staff couldn't recruit until January they started behind the rest of their competitors. But this time they got on them much sooner.

      As for getting all of the must gets, that doesn't happen for anybody, so it won't happen to Pitt. But if they can get Bookser, Grimm, Apke, Boxen, and Henry, all legitimate possibilities, then the Panthers can have a better class at 20 then they had with the 27 or 28 of this year. This year as more for depth. Not a lot of star ability. But hopefully the big time talent will come in 2014.

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  16. Don't look now... but Trib reporting on Boyd.
    He is not solid on Pitt.
    Engram has a tough job...
    I know mom is in Pitt's corner as was Foster mom, but, Did he bring the pecan pie to mom?? ;)

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  17. Let him go. He seems like a prima donna.

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    1. Most highly rated HS players are... BMOC syndrome.
      So, do you say don't recruit highly rated players??
      I don't...
      this is the part of recruiting that gets ugly perse.
      We may not like it... but it comes with the job.
      However, if he picks WVU, I would pull the offers from Howard and Webb... the reason Howard and Webb was to bring in Boyd in my opinion. Chryst pulled it from James Julius after committed when his WR teammate committed elsewhere.

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    2. Kind of agree. Boyd is more important than both of them... If Boyd doesn't want to commit, then they can go fill space on Toledo's roster and practice squad.

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    3. Without question Boyd's heart is with WVU. Just like Foster and Alabama.

      To say that Boyd is still likely to end up at Pitt is simply ignoring realty.

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    4. I never thought Boyd would commit to Pitt...
      it surprise me that he did.
      but he committs and goes on an official visit?
      what Chryst needs to do is pull the offers from Howard and Webb... the Killer T's need to go elsewhere.

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    5. If that's the case then so be it. But to Joe D's point, there's no reason Howard and Webb need to toil away on Pitt's practice squad, hoping for a special teams roll, if Boyd isn't on roster. They are MAC level players as judged by their offer list. If they aren't bringing their All American teammate with them, then what's the point?

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    6. Boyd made an official visit to WVU.
      Webb and Howard made visits to Toledo.

      Perhaps the two know there's a chance their Pitt offers will dry up if Boyd goes elsewhere and they believe he will.

      I feel for Boyd... the kid doesn't get to flip-flop on his decisions without significant scrutiny and possible criticism. Then again, he is getting a valuable scholarship as compensation.

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  18. I can't wait til signing day. this whole drama over Foster and Boyd is ridiculous. Now a scholarship is being held hostage til he finds out what he wants to do, when that could be used to get some player that wants to go to Pitt. Dont get me wrong I would love to have them both but I want kids like Chapman who love the program. Give Boyd and Foster a year or two and they will be wanting to transfer to Pitt and if that happens Chryst should give them Robert Morris or Duquesne's phone number.

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  19. Boyd wants to play in the spread for a lame duck coach then let him go, im so sick of these spoiled ass pittsburgh teens not knowing which direction in life to go.
    You play ball because of the school not because you have friends there. Boyd played with poison for taking that wvu trip & now he's going to get burned. We have enough competitive wr's for the upcoming season , coach chryst & staff need to close on these 2014 kids starting saturday by the way yhe 2014 wr's are far more talented than a confused kid named boyd

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    1. Because when you were a teen you knew exactly which way in life you wanted to go...

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    2. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm sick of this BS. Pick a program and stick with it. I couldn't care less where this kid goes now.

      The whole process of kids having press conferences to announce where they're going is getting old too. Why go through all that, and then change your mind? There is too much attention paid to these kids.

      Don't make an announcement, then change your mind a few weeks later. Be a man, make your choice and stick with it.

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    3. Anonymous,
      I did!!! I made a decision of what I wanted to major for college when I was in 8th grade.
      I applied to Pitt and PSU main... got accepted into both... picked Pitt... and I never even visited either campus before accepting.

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    4. Yes, Dan there is too much attention paid to these kids. That's why they have press conferences. A generation ago they didn't. Then again, a generation ago, you didn't have grown men tracking their every movement from ever possible source, trying to find out which school kids were interested in, or what their mom's were thinking. If you are going to judge, you should start by looking in the mirror.

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  20. Coach chryst needs to pull boyds offer and move on, send a message loud & clear pitt is not for confused little boys. He wasnt confused when he was getting some morgantown poon over the weekend. Lets go troy apke 2014

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    1. SO very dumb. You need top flight talent to win. Most people seem to agree that Boyd is that type of player. Like it or not, teams like Pitt can't take a tough guy approach to recruiting the type flight players. Maybe Alabama can, but Pitt at this point most certainly cannot.

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    2. I agree sort...
      but I would pull the offer from Howard and Webb first.

      Whoever is giving Boyd advice is clueless.
      He should have taken all his visits in November and December... then sitdown and decide where he wants to go.

      I don't like someone who commits... and decides to continue looking and going on official visits.
      He is pulling a Pryor... he isn't even close to the talent of Pryor in HS...

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    3. What a dumb idea. Boyd is a top flight talent by most accounts and Pitt is a team desperately in need of that type of player. Unfortunately a team like Pitt does not have the luxury of playing tough guy with top flight recruits. A team like Alabama may, but Pitt most certainly does not.

      I find it funny that you guys are so quick to criticize an 18 year old kid

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    4. Joe D, I can't believe I'm writing this, but I agree with you 100%. Take all your visits, then decide. And the practice of announcing, then continuing to visit schools is weak.

      He's not a kid, he's a young man who has a lot to learn about making decisions and honoring his commitments. At this point, I don't care what he does.

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    5. Pitt4life,
      Pitt does need to be tough guy...
      or it will happen again and again in the future... or will always be a fallback position.
      By having soooo many committs, it may have scared other players off so Pitt lost out on other players.
      Right now, I would pull the offers on all 3 Clairton players because it was a 3 for 1 deal.
      Last year, the kid from storox that tweeted... geter or something like that... I appauled that move.
      Football is a team sport... we don't need primadonna individuals that are confused.

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    6. @Joe D
      I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, cutting out/off quality players like Boyd will not make Pitt more attractive or help prevent it from being a fall back option. The way I see it, Pitt will stop being a fall-back and start being an actual destination when it WINS. In my mind, a player like Boyd helps to further that cause.

      Most elite players, unless they are WPIALL don't even give Pitt a sniff. Why is that? To cut off one who would consider playing here, no matter how annoying his recruiting process has been is crazy and counter productive to the goal of winning.

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    7. Would you consider Vandy a destination?
      Vandy current 2013 class ranked 20th by rivals.
      A WR from Florida committed to Vandy... then later was in media saying he was taking other visits.
      Vandy called him on it...
      Vandy said you are either committed or you are not.. he insisted on taking other visits.
      Vandy pulled the offer.
      Wpial is no different than any other area.
      Boyd has a 3 for 1 deal going... Pitt doesn't need Webb or Howard. I'm ok with that, but if no Boyd, all 3 offers should be pulled.
      Pitt did that with James Julius, the WR (same one from Vandy) was going to visit with James Julius... when that didn't happen, Chryst pulled the offer to James Julius... in that case it was a 2 for 1 deal... if no WR... he didn't need James Julius.

      I liked that Vandy called the player on his committment!!

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    8. Joe, I'm curious, since I've seen you mention the Vandy WR story a couple of times....Who is he, and where did he want to visit? Has he committed to another place now? How does he compare to the other Vandy WR commits (they have four)?

      If this kid ends up at a Sun Belt school, then I guess Vandy showed him.

      If this kid ends up at a Florida or a Clemson, then Vandy looks rather dumb.

      I'm guessing that they don't pull this stunt if they don't have 4 other WR commits.

      And to show a point I made earlier, does anyone really think their head coach will still be there in 5 years? I doubt his commitment level to Vandy is that high also.

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    9. Oether..
      Domenic Walker... Evans, Florida. 3star.
      He committed to Vandy... still took visits... Vandy pulls offer. He committed before other WR's... which then allowed Vandy to bring in others as it was blocking others from considering Vandy.
      He then committed to Nebraska...
      Currently he committed to Auburn.
      Don't know how switch from Nebraska to Auburn.

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    10. Oether...
      I wouldn't want Domenic Walker on my team...
      he is not that talented...
      After Walker committed to Nebraska, Pitt pulled offer to his teammate, Julius James. Pitt was hoping to land Walker.. 2 for 1... as backup plan.

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    11. Thanks for the info.

      Vandy pulling his offer clearly didn't hurt the kid, as he then picked Nebraska, then Auburn. Most would consider that an upgrade.

      Guess the question is how does Walker compare to the other WR's Vandy picked up? If he's worse than all of them (like you think), then Vandy's move worked.

      I just doubt that Vandy pulls this if he's viewed as the best of the bunch. It's a nice story for the vengeful fan, but that's it. Cutting your nose off to spite your face doesn't win games.

      I also don't think he was blocking anybody, except maybe the #4 WR committ.

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  21. This kind'a stuff makes you appreciate someone like Chad Voytic who commits early, doesn’t waver from that commitment and actually helps to recruit other players into the program. Apparently their not all prima donnas.

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  22. When was the last time Clairton ever put out a star into college football? NEVER. They always have players that dominate at the Single "A" level but when they arrive at the college level they never produce. What makes Boyd so different?

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  23. Now Boyd is thinking about visiting Tennessee, I'm sorry this kid is all over the map if he decides to come to Pitt he better be worth it, because this staff is putting a lot stock into him.

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  24. Just heard that Mike Archer interviewed for our DC spot. Mike Archer? C'mon man........

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  25. Boyd now "confused" over his college decision. Uh oh...

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  26. I like this board. I agree 100% that Boyd should be shown the door. A single A player from a school that doesn't turn out many successful D-1 talents. Let him walk. Give me guys like Voytik and Chapman and Jarrett that were Pitt thru-and-thru and who will be proud to wear that Jersey. And quit giving him a pass because he's 18. If he was undecided then don't commit to Pitt. It's what ensued after his commitment that is making him look like a foolish child. I just don't think he's good enough to justify making Pitt look bad. And tell his buddies "adios", too. Then Boyd will realize his decisions affect other people. Not wishing the kid ill, just take it somewhere else.

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    1. Lee:

      I will not pretend to be an expert in evaluating football talent, are you? All I can go by is the offers a player receives and the rankings from various sites I read (scouts, ESPN, Rivals). I would be the first to admit that they don't always get it right, but they all seem to agree that Boyd is a very good prospect.

      I say again, a program like Pitt can't afford to draw a line in the sand with players of his caliber, particularly those that are from their recruiting area. It is one thing to say this to a player from Michigan (as Pitt did) but a highly recruited and ranked player in your own area is another.

      Again, Pitt is not Alabama and the other big dogs like it. 4 and 5 star recruits are not beating down our door. The reality of recruiting and life is that talented players get more leeway and have more leverage. It happens in the NFL and in every other league I know.

      I find it funny that you all ride Boyd for PERHAPS having second thoughts. I bet you are the same folks who welcomed D. Johnson back with open arms despite his commitment to PSU. Did he later change his mind? My point is, if Boyd chooses Pitt you will all be happy.

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    2. I blamed Chryst for losing Johnson in round 1... Chryst was not agressive enough.. "just offer".
      Johnson was thoughtful in researching the various schools and select PSU. When NCAA handed down sanctions, he decommitted and opened up recruitment. He then selected Pitt.
      Boyd COMMITTED to Pitt.. just 3 weeks ago!
      but still doing visits... ridiculous. Just don't commit.
      he is confused?? what was he doing in Nov & Dec... going to all those Pitt BB games?? Please spare me..
      As much as Pitt needs Boyd's talents... he is a 3 for 1 deal... and Pitt should unload all 3 in my opinion.

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    3. What we're criticizing Boyd about is making a decision without visiting all the schools in which he was interested. He made a very public announcement about choosing Pitt, then continued to visit other schools. He should've made his decision after visiting the schools, and then stuck with it.

      If he wasn't sure about Pitt, then he shouldn't have announced his intentions to go there. Once he did that, he should have stopped visiting other schools.

      This might be a tortured analogy, but if you ask a girl to marry you, then continue to date other girls, the girl you asked to marry would most likely end the relationship. That's why I wouldn't blame Chryst if he pulled the scholarship.

      What is upsetting and irritating is how he is going about this. Make a decision and stick with it. My gosh, there are kids from outside Pittsburgh that are more dedicated to Pitt than some of the locals.

      I think that's what upset people about Foster's decision; not the fact he chose Bama, but how he went about it. He led just about everyone to believe he was going to Pitt, then didn't. These players need to realize that their actions have consequences.

      Pitt isn't the glamour school it once was, but that's no reason for a recruit to use it as a fall back plan.

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  28. I like this board. I agree 100% that Boyd should be shown the door. A single A player from a school that doesn't turn out many successful D-1 talents. Let him walk. Give me guys like Voytik and Chapman and Jarrett that were Pitt thru-and-thru and who will be proud to wear that Jersey. And quit giving him a pass because he's 18. If he was undecided then don't commit to Pitt. It's what ensued after his commitment that is making him look like a foolish child. I just don't think he's good enough to justify making Pitt look bad. And tell his buddies "adios", too. Then Boyd will realize his decisions affect other people. Not wishing the kid ill, just take it somewhere else.

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  30. Thanks for keeping us out-of-towners abreast of the recruiting situation at Pitt. I appreciate all the work you put into this blog.

    It appears Chryst and company are not as bad at recruiting as all his detractors said he would be. Next thing he has to do is start showing results on the field although I will not be expecting much this coming year unless Savage is going to be the next coming of Russell Wilson.

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  31. I cant believe the crap im reading. You dudes are the biggest turncoats of all time.

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  32. I get it that you pull the schollie from boyd but what does that communicate to all the other players AND coaches in your own backyard? This is a no win situation for pitt. You do not want to burn bridges with coaches

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    1. Name 1 wpial HS coach that delivered a 4star player to Pitt?
      Most HS coaches have little influence in the decision making process.
      I know Quip Coach Z. wouldn't put up with the bs in the media with any of his players... and he delivers quality players to pitt. Quip is the only pipeline school to Pitt in wpial due to the history.
      btw... most coaches would respect Chyrst for pulling schollies in a 3 for 1 deal... the tail doesn't wag the dog.

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  33. Chryst and Engram did not deliver boyd's mom pecan pie.
    Read an article...
    Pitt never made an in-home visit. I assume they met Boyd's mother... but comeon... in-home visit is important.
    Pitt will visit Thursday...
    WVU is doing in=home visit Friday...
    then boyd is visiting Tennessee this weekend.
    Don't get why he waited so long to do this.

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  34. Just seen Sam Werners(Post Gazette)running back analysis of the potential(aren't they all?) incoming recruits!! He has his highlight footage posted.

    I really like the way Jo Jo Kemp runs. He reminds me of Ray Rice in college. He needs a little more size but he may be faster than Ray was. I like him a lot!! Since there isn't a true running back coming this year I would like to see him come to Pitt!!

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  35. This Tennessee trip could take some of the confusion out of him. Perhaps it can at least make him realize that WVU sucks!

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  36. You can pull schollies from kids from out of state but you can't do it for kids from the area. You need to have great relationships with kids and coaches from your area. That would be foolish to pull schollies from a kid who is only visiting.

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  37. I'd really like to see an end to these press conferences before letter-of-intent day where recruits announce a non-binding choice. Just have LOI day, put the school cap on, then sign the LOI. Done. No more drama, no more BS. Make the decision and be done with it.

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    1. These all-star games make a kid believe that they will be in the game if they announce during the game, so the kid feels like he has to do it even if he isn't ready. Kids will also get rated better by the internet site that runs the game he performs in. The whole thing is a joke.

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    2. ....and I won't hold my breath waiting for ESPN to do an "Inside the Lines" expose on it.

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    3. I agree Dan..
      but if they did that... there would be no rivals, scout, 24/7, etc... lol.
      btw... Tennessee just got #2 WR in country to committ... they have 3 WR's already in 2013 class... or which 2 are 4-star.

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    4. Yeah, I know it'll never happen. Too many people have their own interests at stake to be concerned about what's best for the players.

      I didn't know that about the all-star games Chris. It's a disservice to the recruits to feel pressured to make a decision before they're ready, especially one this life-changing.

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  38. Boyd cancelled in-home visit with WVU...only Pitt is getting an in-home

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  39. Hey Chris,

    Any chance we get any commits this weekend? Who is most likely to be a panther out of the list above?

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    1. Chances are, there won't be any this weekend, but you never know. From that list, if I had to guess, I would say Boxen would be first. I'm not saying he will be first, or will even commit to Pitt at any time, but he would be my guess if I had to guess who would be first on that list. Not including Kincade, of course.

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  40. Chris - you've been pretty quiet on the Tyler Boyd developments. Why?

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    1. Not much to say. I've always assumed that he would still be playing at Pitt in September.

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  41. Yeah ESPN is confirming that the WVU in house visit is cancelled and Pitt is the only team coming in. TN might still get a visit. TN just got a 150 Espn WR to so I bet he sticks with Pitt. Kemp decides tomorrow. Would be great to get him and keep Boyd would be solid to at least get one.

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  42. If Boyd stays with Pitt, what are your expectations for him as a freshman, and his overall career at Pitt?

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  43. The Boyd kid is, what, 17? 18 tops? And doubtless he's getting PLENTY of unsolicited and unwanted pull from fam, peeps, other schools. Plus it's the #1 biggest decision he's ever made in his entire life, and will remain so until he picks a bride.

    My point? I'm GLAD the kid is thinking it over, making sure (hopefully) Pitt is where he wants to play. I presume yinz realize that Boyd hasn't decommitted, he's just confused. Which most 17-18 y/o young men are. Which (to me) is okay.

    And I'll bet there isn't 1 kid out of 100 who commits and then never revisits his decision again. In fact, if we could read their minds, I'll bet they all do. They just might not be so public about it.

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    1. I'm glad he's thinking it over too, but he shouldn't have made a public announcement until he was sure of his decision. He should've done all his thinking before he announced.

      When I was 18, I was accepted at both Pitt and Penn State. I thought it over, then decided Pitt was my school. I never wavered, or had second thoughts because I carefully weighed both options. What we want these guys to do is to wait and annouce after they've made all their visits and are sure of their choice.

      By 18, you should understand that you shouldn't lead people to believe one thing, and then do another. I realize these guys live in somewhat of a bubble, but they need to learn that their decisions have consequences.

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    2. I agree. Of course I hope he picks pitt but this kids get exploited, dumped, cut, hurt, used, all for the sake of education, school pride, a slim chance of the pros, and 11/12 football games a year. If the kid takes till april and verbally commits to every school out there what should we actually care. Sure we will be disappointed some how we will blame Pederson and tino but I'll go back to rooting for Pitt with minor annoyance. Did you all miss Anthony Morellia and Andrew Johnson?

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    3. They shouldn't be verbally committing to every school out there because it's not right to give someone your word, then back out. It's a matter of building character that your word actually means something.

      These young men should make one announcement after considering everything, and be done with it. My preference would be that they wait until letter of intent day to announce, then sign on the dotted line. Of course, that's a quaint notion that isn't likely to happen.

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    4. Amen, Dan.

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  44. The majority of these kids would sign with Pitt in an Oakland minute. Most of them grew up fans of the program. The problem isn't the recruiting, and if PC had an in home visit. The problem is the half empty stadium on gamedays.

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  45. Dan -- My guess is that @ 18 you didn't air your every thought on Twitter or Facebook. Nor did you have grown men combing through your twitter feed for whether PSU or Pitt had the edge on your commitment to their alma mater.

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  46. I have a bad feeling on the DC...
    Chryst will wait until after LOI day... why..
    we are not going to like the selection nor will incoming recruits.
    that is a typical Chryst type manuever.
    Rumors have House as leading candidate.
    I couldn't believe he interviewed the guy that was fired from NCState.

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    1. "Typical Chryst type manuever"... What other example are you thinking of that would cause you to classify your hypothetical coaching scenario as anything "typical" of Chryst?

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    2. He waited until Chapman enrolled and attended his 1st class before "officially" offering his nephew.

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    3. In the process of just getting things off our chests, sometimes we claim to be wiser than we are.

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    4. Even though Saban has Foster and a top qb coming in with this class don't we all know Sabam also would take the best wr and qb next year!! He would not stop recruiting just because he landed a top notch player.

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    5. I mentioned a few weeks ago that House was the leading candidate for the DC job. Most discounted the comment as unrealistic but this is how PC operates. Promote from within. I'm still don't think PC realizes how important his staff is. He thinks he can manage everything as he did in the bowl game. House called the defensive plays which were designed by Chryst and staff. The results speak for themselves. I think we are destined for a coaching search again n three years. Another losing season is right around the corner. Say it isn't so....

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    6. House is not going to be the DC. That's just a rumor.

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  47. Don't look now... but Boyd committed to WVU...
    Rivals forum mentioned his facebook..
    well, here it is..
    and yes, that is his facebook page... note his mom Tonya Payne

    http://www.facebook.com/tyler.boyd.14?fref=ts

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    1. Not a good day for Pitt if what Joe is saying is true and not just some gamesmanship. Kemp is going to Kentucky.
      http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/recruiting/os-kentucky-likely-gains-jojo-kemp-freedom-jeff-badet-20130131,0,3517068.post

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    2. His twitter account has a Pitt background and he tweets that he is leaving for a offical to Tenn today. So in short, who the hell knows except for Boyd!

      - Winedogs

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    3. Well, Webb and Howard visited Toledo last week.
      Could be that Chryst said to Webb and Howard..
      their offers are contingent upon Boyd signing.
      I'm good with that...
      3 for 1 or none at all.

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    4. Regardless of what Boyd does, Chryst should stick with offers to Webb and Howard.

      While you might put contingencies on offers to borderline players n far off places (Ex. Julius Florida)... you don't do it close to home where everyone is watching and coaching relationships are vital

      Besides, Webb looks like a play maker. Don't know about his speed, but he his obviously a fluid athlete who plays above his competition.

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    5. Chryst pulled the offer from Geter of Sto-Rox last year...
      due to tweet about signing too many DB's...
      and Rippy still committed to Pitt.
      That was a great move by Chryst last year..
      the tail doesn't wag the dog...

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    6. This is getting ridiculous. Pitt is not going to pull the scholarship of Boyd, or other Clairton kids.

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    7. These kids...always doing what their moms don't want them to do...

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  48. That doesn't seem likely. You don't cut off future recruits from Clairton. We have nothing to worry about, we have Jasper.

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  49. Well if Boyd does choose to go elsewhere, we will learn a lot about PC. If he pull the offers to Webb and Howard and he's no better than any of the sleazy guys. If he honors the offers:

    - he probably never did a "buy one get two free" with players who would not be attractive on their own.
    - he believes they fit into Pitt's scheme and have a chance to play

    I lean towards the latter scenario where he honors the offers.

    In fact, I think we will find that's a "typical Chryst move" over time

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  50. So Stoops, Stoops, Stoops get two guys Pitt wanted.

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    1. He has about 8 players from Florida... and you should expect he can get Ohio since it's next door.
      Reason for Stoops was recruiting for Florida and Ohio.

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  51. you guys dont even know how much i wish pitt had the clout to do the "if you commit to this school you are 100% guaranteed a spot. If you commit and continue to look elsewhere, you will no longer have a scholarship to this school nor will we continue to converse with you" move that schools like texas and michigan do. now, both schools and recruits screw eachother over, so its not all on the recruits but a commitment should mean something unless there are extreme circumstances

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