Wednesday, February 6, 2013

Pitt football's 2013 class

QUARTERBACK

Tra'von Chapman, Theodore Roosevelt HS (Kent, OH)-  Highly productive and successful quarterback at the high school level.  Though he's often listed at 6'2" and 200 pounds, those close to him say he's more like 6'1" and 190 pounds.  Not considered a running quarterback because he only runs when he has to, but he has above average speed and athleticism so he is an effective runner when he has to take off.  Obviously that means he's also very mobile in the pocket.  Strong arm and can make all the throws. Throws a great long ball. Overall mechanics need work.  Quiet, but strong leader on and off the field.  Graduated high school early so that he can get a head start on attending the university.  Had offers from Wisconsin, Arizona, Minnesota, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Boston College, Minnesota, Illinois, Akron, Bowling Green, and Kent State. Primary Recruiter- Bobby Engram

The real bottom line:  Looked at as a savior by many Pitt fans and many thinks he could start as a true freshman.  He could do that, but it's a long shot.  The truth is, he needs to get a little stronger and he needs work on his mechanics.  It also should be noted that no elite programs saw him as a quarterback prospect. But, he has the type of raw ability that a quarterback maven like Paul Chryst can really develop into a possible excellent signal caller down the road.



IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  Chapman is an excellent developmental prospect and will be a nice addition to add to Chad Voytik and the soon to arrive Chandler Kincade.  None are superstar prospects, but any of them have a chance to be highly effective college quarterbacks under Chryst.



 RUNNING BACK




James Conner, McDowell HS (Erie, PA)-  At 6'2" and 230 pounds, he's a big, tough runner with very good straight line speed at that size. Doesn't make a lot of moves, but he runs hard between the tackles. Once he breaks though the line, he utilizes his excellent speed with his quick, choppy steps. Was considered a defensive end prospect by most scouts but after a huge year of running the ball, the Panthers staff decided to try him at running back.  Eligibility concerns and the fact that he doesn't fit perfectly at any position limited his offers,, but some who offered included Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio, and Eastern Michigan.  Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line-  Don't be fooled by the offer list which was effected greatly by his academic concerns. He's still not eligible yet, but he's working hard on it.  He's also a bit of a tweener which hurt his offers. Some think he's a little too small for end, not quick enough for linebacker, and a little big for running back. But this is a player who, if he can prove he can be a running back at the college level,  has the chance to be very effective at running hard behind Pitt's massive line. The fact that he could move to defense is an added bonus because he has very good pass rush skills.  



Jaymar Parrish, Gateway HS (Monroeville, PA)-  High school tight end that projects to fullback because of his shorter 6'1" height.  Athletic built at 235 pounds and good speed.  Very good hands and blocker. Could also move over to linebacker.  Other offer was from Akron.  Primary recruiter- Chris Haering

The real bottom line-  Athletic fullback who could also see time at H-Back thanks to his good receiving skills, as well as project nicely to linebacker. Nice addition and a great contrast to plodding old school fullbacks.



IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  The staff wasn't in desperate need for a starter halfback right off the bat, but the unit clearly needs depth and one more elite back. Unfortunately, the staff failed miserably here. Corey Clement de-committed months ago and the last ditch attempt to land JoJo Kemp was the final blow in landing the heir apparent to Rushel Shell.  Parrish will not be a primary ball carrier and Conner will probably eventually end up on defense.




WIRE RECEIVER



Tyler Boyd, Clairton HS (Clairton, PA)- One of the better wide receiver prospects in the east, he became a high school legend by leading the Bears to four straight state championships while scoring a WPIAL record 117 touchdowns.  Thin at 6'1" and 168 pounds. He's never been a full-time wide receiver, but he clearly won't have a problem learning the position immediately.  Has excellent speed, athleticism, and hands.  Excellent with the ball in his hands and is also an exceptional return man.  Had offers from Penn State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Rutgers, and others.  Primary Recruiter- Bobby Engram

The real bottom line:  Very reminiscent of former Woodland Hills, Michigan, and NFL star Steve Breaston.  An excellent receiver/returner who was a must even before Robert Foster chose to go to Alabama. Could be all-star caliber.




Zach Challingsworth, South Fayette HS (McDonald, PA)- Wanted to be a Panther but originally committed to Toledo when he thought he didn't have a Pitt offer. Highly productive receiver on the high school level. A little thin but otherwise he has nice 6'2" 185 pound size. Quicker and faster than given credit for, but he's not considered an elite speed/athleticism kid.  Excellent hands and makes a lot of circus catches.  Young for his class and will begin his freshman season at Pitt as a 17-year old.  Had offers from Temple and a handful of MAC schools.  Primary Recruiter- Bobby Engram

The real bottom line:  To be honest, this kid seems to be a little under recruited. He has better than average size and speed, and he has excellent hands.  He's a football player so even if he doesn't star in college, he can help the program.  Likely redshirt candidate and then a possible No.2 or No.3 receiver sometime in his future.




Reggie Green, Cranford HS (Cranford, NJ)-  Dominating running quarterback at the high school level, but projects to a receiver, safety, or maybe even linebacker down the line. He'll likely start at wide receiver and could easily stay there.  Solidly built at a muscular 6'3" and 210 pounds.  Good speed with a current best of 11.58 100m.  Speed is straight line and doesn't have elite quickness or elusiveness.  Big hands.  Has to learn the position.  Good student who wants to major in criminal justice. Other offers came from Rutgers, Boston College, Michigan State, NC State, UCF, and Temple.  Primary recruiter- Desmond Robinson

The real bottom line:  He has great size, big hands, and very good speed, but to be honest it's apparent  on tape that his lack of top elusiveness will probably prevent him from being a No.1 receiver. That's why despite his great size/speed combo, he didn't get elite offers.  What's intriguing is if he can be convinced down the road to add 20 pounds and be a linebacker because that's where his size and speed combo could really pop.




Jester Weah, Madison Memorial HS (Madison, WI)-  Big, strong 6'3" 190 pound body and very good athleticism.  Very good straight line speed, but quickness and explosiveness are only adequate. Strong hands.  Had offers from Colorado State, Wyoming, Bowling Green, Eastern Michigan, and Illinois State, among others.  Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line:  Raw athlete with size so he may be able to contribute down the line, but the reasons why he didn't get major offers is the same reason why it will be difficult for him to reach an all-star level.   



IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  The unit desperately needed bodies, and big bodies especially, but there's not a No. 1 receiver in the bunch.  Boyd has all-star potential as a slot receiver and return man, however, and Challingsworth, Green, and Weah at least have the potential to contribute in the future. But the amount of big time receivers the staff are going after in the '14 class shows they know they still have to improve the unit with higher end talent.



TIGHT END

Devon Edwards, Eastmoor Academy (Columbus, OH)-  Excellent 6'5" 240 pound size already.  Strong blocker, but at best his speed and athleticism are average.  Good hands and hard to bring down because of his natural strength and size.  Solid blocker who should be better once he learns better technique.  Other offers came from West Virginia, Nebraska, NC State, Purdue, Boston College, Kentucky, Cincinnati, and Toledo. Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line:  Naturally big and strong but his ceiling at tight end is not high due to his lack of speed and athleticism.  Why does he have a nice offer list despite obvious speed problems and a low recruiting service ranking?  The truth is, kids in this size range are rare and because they can project to tight end, offensive line, and defensive line, they get a lot of offers.  To be honest, I think that eventually he will be asked to gain weight and move to the offensive or defensive line because his lack of speed and athleticism is apparent, but if he doesn't, he could still help at tight end with his blocking and strength.



Tony Harper, St. John's HS (Toledo, OH)-  Primarily played safety at St. John's, but he got an offer at the Pitt camp after being tried out at tight end.  Too small for the position now, but is a rangy, 6'4" 195 pounds with the frame to add more weight. Long arms. Good quickness and athleticism. Speed is decent. He's expected to gain 40 pounds or so and eventually become a pass catching H-Back. Other offers came from Toledo, Akron, and Ohio. Primary recruiter- Matt House

The real bottom line:  Let's be honest, he's a project and everything has to go right for him to be a major factor at tight end.  But if he can add the weight and keep his speed and athleticism, than he could prove to be an effective H-Back in his last year or two.




Scott Orndoff, Seton-LaSalle HS (Pittsburgh, PA)-  Great target at 6'6" and 250 pounds.  He has the frame to get even bigger but he's such a great down the field pass catching threat that that's not really necessary. Has run the 100m in 11.6 seconds which is not only a phenomenal number for a player his size, but it faster than most receivers already on the roster.  Great hands and runs well after the catch.  Solid blocker with the ability to get much better once he concentrates on it.  Committed to Wisconsin originally and was the first to commit to the Panthers this season way back in March.  If it wasn't for those two things his offer list would have been even more impressive, though he still had offers from Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia, Boston College, and West Virginia. Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line:  Players with this kind of size and skill set are rare, and in Chryst's tight end heavy system, he has the potential to be a big time college player.


IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  Edwards and Harper provide depth but it's Orndoff joining J.P. Holtz that makes the future very bright at this position.



OFFENSIVE LINE


Carson Baker, Fairborn HS (Fairborn, OH)-  Great 6'5" 315 pound size. He's naturally big and doesn't have a sloppy physique.  Huge upper body and strong.  Feet aren't quick so he'll have to play inside.  Once he latches on to you he will plant you.  Other offers came from Toledo, Ohio,  and Buffalo.  Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line:  He's the big, mauler type of lineman that Chryst likes.  His lack of foot speed and athleticism may limit his ceiling somewhat, but he's a tough, hard working strong, nasty lineman that could develop into a solid player after a few years in the program.



Dorian Johnson, Belle Vernon Area HS (Belle Vernon, PA)-  One of the best offensive line prospects in the country.  Needs to get stronger, and at 278 pounds he needs to get much bigger, but his 6'6" height and quick feet are exceptional.  Was much more raw before his senior season, but improved a lot this season and really showed that he could be a great one. Other offers came from Penn State, West Virginia, Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Wisconsin, and many others. Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line-  Ideally he's not big enough to play as a freshman, but he's talented enough that he may not only play, but he could start, too, possibly at guard where he won't be on an island in his first year.  He has future all-star ability and I would be surprised if he doesn't reach that level.




Jaryd Jones-Smith, West Catholic HS (Philadelphia, PA)-  A big offensive tackle at 6'7" and 310 pounds, and has the frame to add another 30 pounds.  Moves very well and even wants to run track this season.  Great wingspan.  Raw, but young for his class and had a very good senior season.  Other offers included Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arizona, Virginia, and NC State. Primary recruiter- Jim Hueber

The real bottom line-  An excellent late addition who is raw, but has everything it takes to turn into a really good college lineman down the line.




Alex Officer, Eastridge Senior HS (Rochester, NY)- Shorter than Chryst usually likes in his linemen at 6'3", but he's a bull strong 320 pounds.  Excellent run blocker with quick feet and agility.  Once he latches on to a defender, he often destroys him. Plays nasty.  Projects as a guard or even center, though he played tackle in high school Other offers came from Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, and Purdue.  Primary recruiter- Desmond Robinson

The real bottom line- Shorter than Chryst usually wants, but he's definitely big enough.  In fact, two of the top 20 prospects in the upcoming draft are 6'3" guards and both are consensus All-Americans.  Major programs aren't going to make a special stop to Rochester so he is very much under the radar. He's raw, but the more I watch this kid, the more I think he has the potential to be very good in a few years.




Aaron Reese, Chambersburg Area HS (Chambersburg, PA)-  Has to put on a lot of weight but at 6'6" and 280 pounds, he has an actual frame to do that.  Moves very well.  Plays in an offense that is almost all running so he's much more advanced in the run game. Injuries have been a problem. Committed in April and had no other offers when doing so.  Primary recruiter- Bobby Engram

The real bottom line-  Under the radar kid that needs to gain at least 40 pounds while at Pitt, but he's 6'6" and he can move very well, so he could turn into a very good player down the road.




IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  Only Johnson can be considered elite, but the rest, especially Jones-Smith, Reese, and Officer have very good potential.  It wasn't the amazing offensive line class that was dreamed of, but the unit was in desperate need of numbers and talent, and that was accomplished.



DEFENSIVE LINE



Tyrique Jarrett, Milford Academy (New Berlin, NY)-  Former City League player at Allderdice who committed to last year's class before spending a year at Milford to get his grades up.  Has benefitted greatly both on and off the field at Milford. Enrolled at Pitt in January.  Giant 6'3" and 320 man child with nasty aggressiveness, brute strength, and quick feet. He had almost no chance to qualify last season and still got offers from not only Pitt, but also Cincinnati, UConn, and Temple.  If grades weren't an issue, he would have had more and bigger offers. No primary recruiter from this staff since he committed last season and was merely told that they still had a spot for him.


The real bottom line-  Big, nasty players that can move like him are rare.  Perhaps the sleeper of the class and somebody with a lot of potential.




Luke Maclean, Grand Blanc HS (Grand Blanc, MI)- Tall, rangy kid with a frame to easily add on to his 6'4" 235 pound frame.  Very good speed and runs a consistent, and confirmed, 4.7 in the 40.  Highly energetic and makes plays all over the field.  Very good combination of skills and can rush the passer.  Offers included Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Kansas, and Indiana.  Primary recruiter-  Matt House

The real bottom line-  Scouts in the midwest are amazed that this kid didn't get more major offers and to be honest so am I.  Has a lot of potential with his size and speed, but he's also just a very good football player.




Justin Moody, George Washington HS (Philadelphia)-  Probably will end up on the inside so he'll have to add weight to his current 6'3" and 265 pound frame.  Raw, but very quick and occasionally explosive.  Has to be more consistent because when he decides he wants to be dominant, he usually reaches that level.  Other offers came from the likes of Purdue, Rutgers, Central Florida, Temple, and Syracuse. Primary recruiter- Jim Hueber

The real bottom line- If the staff can get him focused and he gains more strength and size, he could turn out to be a very good college player.



Shakir Soto, G.A.R. Memorial HS (Wilkes-Barre, PA)- Already has excellent 6'4" 245 pound size and has a slender athletic build that could add another 20 pounds of good weight.  Very strong run defender but he has developed nice pass rushing skills this past season.  Good student and very mature. Enrolled at Pitt in January. Committed back in April but still had offers from Virginia, Maryland, Boston College, and Temple.  Primary recruiter- Brooks Bollinger

The real bottom line- High character kid who plays hard and has good size and athleticism.  Because he enrolled early and is advanced both physically and mentally, he could possibly see time as a freshman.




Jeremiah Taleni, Kailua HS (Kailua, HI)-  I'll be kind and say he's 6'1" and 320 pounds, but he began his senior season at over 340 pounds.  The ability to keep his weight down will obviously be an issue.  Shows good strength and moves well enough for his size.  At one time Washington State and UMass offered, but both stopped recruiting him.  A late offer from Nevada was his only other committable offer.  Primary recruiter-  Inoke Breckterfield

The real bottom line-  A big kid who can move some for his big size, so he could help as a run stuffer some day. But he was well known by scouts in Hawaii, and the schools who recruit Hawaii kids, including the home university, had no interest in him, so you have to wonder if Pitt is just smarter than everybody else, or they are reaching.




IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  No obvious stars in the bunch, but numbers were badly needed and the staff definitely accomplished that.  All five also have a high ceiling, especially Jarrett, Soto, Maclean, and Moody.



LINEBACKERS


Matt Galambos, The Haverford School (Haverford, PA)- An amazing young man who was saved from a terrible childhood by his grandmother who legally took him away from his mother.  He eventually ended up at the prestigious Haverford School where he has a 4.1 GPA and has offers from the likes of Harvard and Yale.  Tough, relentless 6'2" and 225 pound young man that makes plays all over the field.  A sleeper who many in his area consider to be the best player in that part of the state.  Rutgers, Syracuse, and Temple also offered.  Primary recruiter- Chris Haering

The real bottom line-  Don't be fooled by the Ivy League offers, which was indicative of his academics, not his playing level.  Not only is it great to have a kid like this in your program but he's also a really good football player who has everything it takes to excel in college football and life.


Zach Poker, Oconomowoc HS (Oconomowoc, WI)- Excellent athlete at 6'4" and 220 pounds.  Most schools recruiting him wanted him as a tight end, where he excelled in high school, but the Panthers are looking at him for defense.  A muscular, lean frame with the ability to add more weight so he could always move to defensive end in the future.  Very good speed.  Got a late offer from Syracuse, with other offers from the likes of Air Force, Army, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, and North Dakota.  Primary recruiter- Joe Rudolph

The real bottom line-  Wasn't recruited heavily but he's an intriguing prospect due to his long frame and good speed.



IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  Both Galambos and Poker are interesting prospects that could turn out to be good college players, but it's amazing that the program still can't land even the occasional elite linebacker prospect.



DEFENSIVE BACKS


Titus Howard, Clairton Area HS (Clairton, PA)- Tall, long athlete at 6'2" and 175 pounds. Very good speed and athleticism with great leaping ability.  Part of the vaunted Calirton Bears dynasty so he knows how to be a winner.  Can project at safety or cornerback.  Also offered by UConn and Toledo.  Primary recruiter-  Bobby Engram

The real bottom line-  Small school and Clairton kids often don't translate to college football well, but athletes like this alway have a chance to be good.



Rachid Ibrahim, The Avalon School (Gaithersburg, MD)- Slender 6'0" 170 pound safety that needs to add strength, but he has good speed and hits hard. Other offers came from Iowa, Boston College, Ohio, and East Carolina.  Primary recruiter- Bobby Engram

The real bottom line-  He doesn't jump out as somebody that will reach a star level at the college level, but he could at least provide depth down the road, while also having the ability to start later in his career.




Terrish Webb, Clairton Area HS (Clairton, PA)- Good speed, but more than quick than fast.  Very good athlete.  Could also project as a wide receiver.  Other offers came from Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and Arkansas State.  Primary recruiter-  Bobby Engram

The real bottom line-  Good athlete who could see time in the secondary in the future.



IMPACT ON THE UNIT:  Let's be honest, this is not an overly impressive group on paper. They are all athletes and you can never discount an athlete, but a major program should land at least one top level defensive back recruit a year.  The staff needs to do better at this position in '14.




KICKERS



Chris Blewitt, West Potomac HS (Alexandria, VA)-  Small at just 5'10" and 175 pounds, but he has recently added size and strength.  Strong leg on kickoffs.  Performed great at Pitt's camp.  Primary recruiter- Matt House

The real bottom line-  People will have fun with his last name, but he will have the last laugh if he lives up to his ability.


Ryan Winslow, LaSalle College HS (Wyndmoor, PA)- Very big punter at 6'5" and 210 pounds.  Good athlete. Can also placekick and kickoff, though he probably won't be asked to in college. Hasn't put up big averages as a punter but the frame and leg are there so he just needs to learn to maximum his talents. His father was a scholarship punter at Wisconsin before transferring to Villanova.  Primary recruiter- Jim Hueber



IMPACT ON THE UNIT: A placekicker was needed immediately and Blewitt will have a chance to be the guy as a freshman.  Winslow has potential but Kiski Area's Adam Mitcheson is a local '14 recruit that is better, and you have to wonder why Pitt didn't wait a year and go with him instead.



Primary Recruiter:

Bobby Engram (7)- Travon Chapman, Tyler Boyd, Zach Challingsworth, Aaron Reese, Titus Howard, Rachid Ibrahim, Terrish Webb.

Joe Rudolph (7)- James Conner, Jester Weah, Devon Edwards, Scott Orndoff, Carson Baker, Dorian Johnson, Zach Poker

Matt House (3)- Tony Harper, Luke Maclean, Chris Blewitt

Jim Hueber (3)- Jaryd Jones-Smith, Justin Moody, Ryan Winslow

Desmond Robinson (2)- Reggie Green, Alex Officer

Chris Haering (2)-  Jaymar Parrish, Matt Galambos

Brooks Bollinger (1)-  Shakir Soto

Inoke Breckerfield (1)- Jeremiah Taleni



Elite level- Dorian Johnson, Tyler Boyd, Scott Orndoff

Second level- Travon Chapman, James Conner, Jaymar Parrish, Jaryd Jones- Smith, Alex Officer, Aaron Reese, Luke Maclean, Shakir Soto, Justin Moody, Tyrique Jarrett, Matt Galambos, Chris Blewitt

Third level- Zach Challingsworth, Reggie Green, Jester Weah, Devon Edwards, Tony Harper, Carson Baker, Jeremiah Taleni, Austin Poker, Titus Howard, Rachid Ibrahim, Terrish Webb, Ryan Winslow


Summary-  Dorian Johnson is the big fish this year, but Tyler Boyd, Travon Chapman, and Scott Orndoff also have the potential to be big time college players.  But for the most part this was a class that was more for depth than elite level talent.

If the Panthers land classes like this every year and coach them well, they will probably be a 6-8 win team in most years. But it's the 2014 class that, in a way, will show how well this class was. If it's loaded with more elite prospects, then this 2013 class will be seen as a great move to add the foundation for teams that can occasionally be better than 6-8 wins a year.






167 comments:

  1. I was surprised to see Webb and Howard on this list and at not toledo. But Boyd at Pitt you must be mistaken Joe D said he would be at WVU. So either its a mistake or Joe D was wrong. The inbreed WVU wasn't even the runner up.

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    1. We were all played...
      totally disrespectful... but blame the clairton coaches.. and also blame the media... articles everyday.. ESPNU going with a full day.
      It's gotten to be ridiculous.
      I still believe, Webb and Howard got to Boyd... they knew they were contingent upon bringing in Boyd.

      Now, what 5 players currently on scholarship will get their schollie pulled or they will transfer. Pitt is over the 85 limit by 5 (including Savage).

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    2. Joe D, you do not have to read all that stuff or follow it 24/7. Look in the mirror that is who to blame. Not other people. We like to blame others. I am guilty like you at times. Chris, any thoughts on who is losing schollie?

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    3. We weren't played. But a bunch of old dudes did get way too obsessed with a kid taking some visits. It is the only time the recruit has any power and he needs to exploit it as best he can.

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    4. "We were all played." "Blame the Clairton coaches." "Blame the media."

      Blame everyone but yourself.

      The bottom line is: you never knew what you were talking about...

      and likely never will.

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    5. That's what happens when you hang on every word and tweet from an 18 year old. If I was a big time recruit, I would mess with people so bad on twitter.

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  2. Given who has signed, can all the nay-sayers and poo-pooers stop posting. Believe in the info chris provides.

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  3. Chris:
    Thank you so much for your excellent updates and your calm approach to reporting. Until I read your remarks I do not take any credence from the peanut gallary! H2P

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  4. I think Challingsworth is going to be really good...he could be the best WR of the bunch. Very athletic...think Mike Shanahan but more athletic

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    1. As long as Chryst is there any WR on the roster could end up being a big producer. Wouldn't shock me at all if Challingsworth turns out to be as good as you predict.

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    2. Challingsworth is DECENT, but watch out for the SF QB that was throwing him the ball - Brumbaugh. He's got some great potential. Hopefully Pitt recruits him too...

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    3. Challingsworth plays nothing like Shanahan. The only similarity is that they are white WR's.

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  5. Chris, what is your grade from scale of 1 thru 10. I would give it an 8. Am I being to generous? H2P!!

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    1. For depth a 9. For talent an 8. So I guess 8.5.

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    2. what would that grade go up to if we landed foster & kemp?

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  6. Really appreciate the player-by-player breakdowns, thank you! Can't say I buy many of your summary assessments, but I don't blame you for trying, and it's a tough job to guess at projecting players forward let alone how the team overall will perform given their impact. Really happy with class, and I suspect the national rating services will bear this out. Especially happy with oline & qb recruiting job this year.

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    1. actually, I thought Chris was more objective on his assessment than he usually is. While he mentioned that many had potential to be good, he also tempered it. Example -- Challingworth, whom he thought could be very good but he also mentioned that he would be a 2nd or 3rd WR.

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    2. I think its a fair assessment. At this point Challingsworth is not a Foster who is number 1 guy now and he isn't a boyd who is a 1/2. Challingsworth is the next guy a 2 or a 3. He could overachieve and develop into a monster but its less likely then higher rated guys. I like Weah and Challingsworth though and Boyd could be the game breaker.

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  7. Chris, if Pitt lands a top 25-30 class every year shouldn't it be good for more than 6-8 wins?
    Houston Panther

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    1. Recruiting rankings are pretty bogus. They get their rankings based on a number system. The more kids you have, the higher your number will be. A class that has 25 3 star kids will be ranked higher than a class with 4 5 stars, 3 4 stars and 5 3 stars...

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  8. Also, from the write-up on Chapman, it has me thinking Russell Wilson. I'll take it!

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  9. Nice summary. It is very apparent that Pitt needed not only bodies, but coachable young men. The total lack of bodies last year was an indication of all the issues that the program suffered from. I think for Chryst it is all about inventory and development and time. Building and filling the pipeline along with winning on a consistent basis will do wonders for Pitt.

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  10. As always, great info Chris. Thanks.

    I like this class. Obviously, we won't know for sure for a few years, but I think it's a step in the right direction. As Chris says, it mainly helps with depth. Once we get the Oline shored up, and the skill players see what kind of offense Chryst can produce, more top-end recruits will be attracted to Pitt.

    I think Chryst is getting more acclimated to the recruiting game, and should only get better. Coupled with success on the field, I see future recruiting classes where we're talking more about the talent and less about beefing up the depth.

    And Joe D, the correct response is: "I was wrong". If you feel you were played, it's because you allowed yourself to be.

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    1. Yes I did... as were many other fans..

      Note to the Clairton boys...
      now go update your facebook if you want respect from Pitt fans!!

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    2. They'll get my respect if they produce on the field, but moreso if they act like decent young men off the field.

      I couldn't care less about the social media stuff. That's part of how you got played to begin with Joe.

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    3. Really? An outdated facebook page is your guide to respect? Speak for yourself. I agree with Dan. How they produce on the field and off the field, as responsible young men, will earn my respect.

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    4. Getting reactions like Joe D's was probably the main reason they did this. If you're gonna snoop around and stalk their facebook pages, and take whatever you see as the bible, you deserve to be played. If you are really that upset about it, you need help dude.

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  11. It is interesting what you said about Chapman. While I am excited about what he brings to the table, I don't understand how people no longer consider voytik an elite level potential qb. He was an ESPN elite 11. Rivals ranked him as the number 4 pro style qb. He sat his freshman year and learned the system.....I am excited about what he brings next year. I feel you greatly underestimate him.

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    1. I don't underestimate Voytik at all. In fact, I sometimes feel like the only one who says he's just as good as Chapman, and could be an excellent college QB.

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    2. The good think about both of them is that they are at Pitt ,seem to be good people, and leaders. With Voytik to people its what have you done for me lately type of thing. Couldn't beat out Tino. It's not right to expect that but that's how it is.

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    3. I got news for you. Chapman or 99% of any other true freshman would not have beat out Sunseri.

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    4. I agree but Voytik not beating out tino could be a reason why Chapman has been handed the pitt reins by the fans. I like both QB's.

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  12. Next question... aside from the 5 players that will have thier schollies pulled...

    When will they announce DC??
    I would assume they would announce in a few days?
    Super bowl is over... LOI day is done... no reason to wait anymore.

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    1. Why are you so concerned about this? The scholarships will either come from walk -ons who Chyst gave a ship to last year that will not be renewed, transfers, players quitting, or 5th year players who will move on. No major contributers will be lost and no one is going to get bent over. The staff isn't sitting around in a room wondering who they can kill off. They know what the plan is and recruited the numbers they did accordingly. Cripes man chill out.

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  13. Dokes, once again I am hearing that House to DC. The hold up is finding the appropriate replacement for position coach. Chris, you address this before that it is not going to happen....is this just rumor again?

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    1. I can't imagine that Pitt would make such an awful hire. Not that he couldn't be an excellent DC in the future, but Pitt needs to aim higher. It would definitely be a warning sign that the program is not operating at a high level.

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    2. i cant imagine that happening. Also, why would they not name their new dc just because they need a db coach? that wouldnt make any sense at all.

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  14. Does anyone know if Foster officially signed with Alabama?

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  15. Per Rivals... Pitt class ranked #32.
    Keep in mind 27 signed which pushed the ranking higher.
    That is just "ok"... not great... but not bad..
    Top 25 is great... over 40 is bad in round about numbers in my opinion.
    btw..
    before people start quoting other rankings... the reason I don't use Scout as they "overrate" players in the Northeast as compared to other areas of the country.

    One thing good about this class is "bodies" for DL and OL... some may become starters some may be perenial backups. The total for 2011 and 2012 combined for OL was 3... need 4 OL every year...

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    1. Anyone know how Pitt ranking at #32 compares with other ACC programs?

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    2. Upper middle. Not as good as FSU Clemson Va Tech Miami. Right there with UVA, Maryland, and UNC. Better then the rest.

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  16. Chris - thanks. Enjoyed reading your analysis.

    From the sound of it and other views I've read, it would seem that the character content of the group - on the whole - looks pretty good.... with some being especially good citizens.

    I anxiously await the appearance of Mr. Galambos on the field in a couple years. Sounds like a great human interest story.








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  17. Joe d dude do your homework damn pitt is not over the 85 limit. Tried telling your arrogant ass that boyd webb and howard would be panthers but you dont listen.

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    1. Yes they are DUDE...
      It's call Math...
      and oh btw... it has already been reported by Trib today in fact... that Pitt is over by 4 but they forgot to add for Savage... so that makes 5...

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    2. He dude...
      here is the link.. I assume you can read... go to paragragh 4.. note it says over the limit by 4... but you need to include Savage so they are over the limit by 5.

      http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/3422005-74/pitt-graham-season#axzz2K8oPyY62

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    3. Also, Howard and Webb do not look like football players to me... skinny...
      what are they 165 soaking wet?

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    4. You act like this is a huge deal. Chillax. It will work itself out.

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    5. Joe D. I will answer your question when spring ball and training camp begins about the ship limit. Whomever gets axed I promise you will they will not have been major contributors in the past, present, or in the future. Why so stressed out about it?

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    6. Cutting 5 is a big deal since that is on top of how many (10?) that have left in the past year.
      So, losing another 5 means lack of depth so cross your fingers that starters dont get hurt.

      Of the 27 who signed today... perhaps 3-4 can be used as frosh... Boyd, Orndoff, Jarrett.
      The rest will redshirt.

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    7. I can guarantee that at least double that amount will see time.

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    8. This year... only 2 of 18 true frosh saw the field.
      Holtz and Shell.
      I don't see 6-8 on this years list of players seeing playing time as a frosh. Johnson, who I like, needs to add at least 25# plus strength. Bisnotoway was RS.
      I didn't include the kickers.

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    9. Render played and Pardner would have had he not been injured. This class is both bigger and better.

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    10. By the way, Joe D, you're saying that because Pitt needs to cut 5 scholarships that they will have a lack of depth, but the whole reason the scholarships need to be cut is because they are over the 85 scholarship limit. So tell me again how they will have a lack of depth??

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    11. Boyd, Orndoff, Jerrett, Conner, and Soto are virtual locks to see PT as freshmen.

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    12. Joe D your argument complaint is ridiculous. Every team in FBS has the same problem. It must be Chryst's fault that he is not allowed 95 scholarships. Depth is a concern for every team unless you cheat or have a ton of good walk ons.

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    13. depth really is a problem. more than half of pitts 85 scholarship players will be rs or true freshman. BUT, id rather have a mediocre young team than a mediocre old team

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    14. In reality, it's not depth that's the problem. It's experience. But that's what you get when you have 4 "permanent" head coaches & 2 180 degree changes in philosophy in 2 years.

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  18. Dokes, I echo many of the other remarks about your insight and analysis of the class. Lots of work but it is really appreciated. I live in central PA and only get Pedo state info plastered all over the papers. It's refreshing to read about the other major college in PA. H2P

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  19. God if we could have kept Clement and landed Foster this class would have been awesome. Still good, but not great. I'm excited about the key guys Johnson, Boyd, and Chapman. I like the somoan guy, the wisconsin and michigan kids.

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  20. When Chryst said that Dorian Johnson's HS tape is as good as any HS OL you'll see, he wasn't lying. I mean, dang. Most plays, Johnson's driving his assignment 15 yards down the field.

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  21. Your usual excellent work, Chris!

    You listed the primary recruiter Pitt assigned to each kid, but just curious, did you hear any stories (whether anecdotal or confirmed...) about how Paul Chryst did as a "closer"? At least I presume that was his role.

    BTW, looks like Pitt better hang on to Bobby Engram with both fists. He appears to be the program's top recruiter so far (in quality and numbers), and -- as is true for every business -- top sales guys are worth their weight in gold.

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    1. I think you'd look at the class in total to determine how Chryst did as a closer. Look, too, at recruits like Clement and Foster who didn't come but he had in the palm of his hand. Overall, a nice, respectable class. Nothing exceptional. Remember, if PSU doesn't have sanctions we don't get DJ. But Chryst got Orndorff out of Wisky. Mixed results if you really look at it objectively.

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    2. You make a good point Lee. But from another perspective if it wasn't for the reigning dynasty Bama and the best college coach maybe ever didn't knock on Foster's door he would be a flanker wideout at Pitt next year. Clement yeah was a disappointment. But I hear yah the book is still out on PC and his recruiting. His first class he gets a mulligan although it wasn't bad, his 2nd class here is nothing stupendous but its solid big numbers at the least.

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    3. no question that Engram was a great hire .... just hope his alma mater doesn't throw some major $$ his way

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    4. In reality, this was Chryst's first class, not second, and he inherited a shell of a team thanks to his predecessors, which didn't make recruiting any easier. It's true the jury is still out on Chryst's recruiting, but he's off to an awfully good start, and anyone with half a brain is happy to have him at Pitt right now and knows he deserves support.

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  22. Is it just me or are Rudolph and Engram doing the recruiting heavy lifting. I expected such from Rudolph but thank goodness for Bobby

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  23. All
    Back to something I asked the other day and I don't think anyone responded, does anyone know If Boyd and the other Clairton kids are eligible for next year? I saw in the post gazette Sunday that Clairton was listed as one of Pennsylvania under performing school districts...
    Thanks

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    1. All 3 are honor students

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    2. One has nothing to do with the other. A designation as an "underperforming" school is attributed to the district or school as a whole and not the individual student. NCAA eligibility relates to the individual student meeting the NCAA eligibility criteria. You could be a student in the worst school district in the state but be eligible to play NCAA athletics. Conversely, you could be a student at the best school district in the state but not play NCAA due to not meeting eligibility requirements

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    3. At the end of the day the student has to score high enough on the sat to b eligible. I was just concerned because u could be the best student in a bad school but that still doesn't mean u will be prepared to do well on the sat test. Obviously there is a strong correction between good school districts and good student sat scores, and bad schools and bad student sat .
      scores...
      Does anyone know what u need on math and verbal to b eligible?

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    4. Don't worry. None of the Clairton kids are in trouble.

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  24. About Dorian Johnson - I saw him play a handful of times.

    He is impressive but keep in mind his "tape" is his highlight plays.

    On occassion, he takes plays off. Maybe that is understandable due to him getting bored because the other 95% of the time, he is pushing a kid into the sidelines...But this is something he wont be able to get away with in the ACC.

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    1. He dominated the #1 recruit in the country at the UA game

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    2. All big linemen in high school takes plays off but
      he got more consistently dominant in his senior year.

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  25. I find it interesting how everyone on Rivals forum is raving about the class...
    and quoting the Scout rank of 22...
    ignoring Rivals rank of 32...
    ignoring ESPN rank... not even in the top 40..

    Which is why I never look at Scout ranking and Rivals is more consistent across the country perse. If you look at Pitt's ranking in Scout the past 10 years, Pitt should have been a top 25 team at the end of the season every year... we know that didn't turn out to be remotely close. Of course some was coaching... but it was clear players were overrated by Scout.
    And I don't like how Scout or Rivals do it either... as I think quality is more important than quantity... and the team gets points for signing 2star players which in turn improves ranking.

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    1. I have no idea of the exact formula, though I would wager a team doesn't get that many points for signing a 2 star player.

      I do agree with the quality over quantity statement, though I saw an analyst a few days ago make the statement of more players means a better chance of finding gems and/or not getting hurt by busts, so there is at least some logic in the quantity thinking.

      Pitt should have finished in or near the Top 25 every year for the past decade IMO, except maybe last year and 2007, so I don't think Scout was that off.
      I mean, Wannstedt's 1st full class was rated #11 or so, if someone knew not to defend against Russell Wilson in a 4-3 the whole game and/or not to kick off to Mardy Gillyard (in 2009), that class would have finished in the Top 10, so maybe they aren't as off as we think.

      I do think the class has a chance to be very good, when it is all said and done.

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    2. In reality, this class is around 30th.

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  26. It will be real interesting if Pitt ends up playing FSU this year on Labor Day night as currently being speculated. That would be a tough way to start the year. At least the hype would be high leading into it!

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  27. DC- If, per the Lair, it's Coyer, I suppose we'd be getting a good coach, however it would've been nice to add a good recruiter as well. Speaking of the staff, I'm still having trouble figuring out what Breckterfield is bringing to the program.

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    1. At this point, Breckterfield really adds nothing. The DL did not impress this season and he was hired to recruit an area we are not going to get anyone from.

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    2. Absolutely agree with both of you. Crap, I'd rather see a high school coach down in FLA handle D-Line duties as long as he can recruit the fellas in his home state. Breckterfield brings absolutely nothing to the table.

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    3. You will probably see a HS coach but it its not from FL but in our own backyard unfortunately

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    4. Meant to say DC not dline

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  28. I saw that. Interesting. According to that board it is either Elko or Coyer. Hopefully we know REAL SOON. This is insane to name a new DC.

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    1. Just another instance where somebody says something and everybody repeats it as if it's fact.

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    2. We will all be able to figure out why Chryst waiting until after LOI day to name the DC.
      We will know in a few days... what is it now... 60 days to search for a DC?

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    3. I've heard Teryl Austin's name thrown around as a possibility. Any truth to that?

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    4. I quit reading and posting there for a variety of reasons. I must say I'm a lot smarter now for it.

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  29. I heard Wanny's name as DC, but their is a tough negotiation with the boosters who brought in PC.

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    1. Given that this would be a huge blow to his ego, and the fact that Tampa Bay just hired him to coach special teams, this, thankfully, is doubtful

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  30. Dokes, can you he'd any light on this.....Scoop is reporting that PC is likely to go with co-defensive coordinators House and Haering. The defense needs someone with experience. This could really hurt the programs going into the ACC where experienced offenses rule. What is PC thinking?


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    1. I was talking about it on twitter. It would be the most idiotic thing Chryst could ever do so I refuse to believe that there's any truth to it.

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  31. Football Scoop reporting...
    Chryst seriously considering co-DC from within staff...
    House and Haering as Co-DC... with House calling plays..

    if true... now we know why the wait...
    disaster... if true

    Football scoop then said, Chryst still looking for DC.

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    1. Football scoop reporting...
      Chryst couldn't land primary target DC...
      the co-DC is fall back if better opportunity doesn't come to fruition soon..

      wtf!!! are you kidding me!!! 60 days and he can't land a DC.
      Randy Shannon is available at 400k!!!

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    2. I've been really worried about the delay for DC. A friend has been telling me for weeks now that PC is likely to go with House. PC likes to promote from within which is a huge mistake. I can't believe it's about the money...Pitt can and should pay for quality DC. It looks like we are headed in the right direction but the wrong DC could avert success. What ever happened to the guy PC was looking at from Bowling Green?

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    3. Maybe Shannon was the target and turned them down. We don't know who the primary target was or if Shannon would do it. But co-DC is NOT the way to go

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    4. or maybe Pitt didn't want to cough up bucks for DC..
      so co-DC is the cheap way to go.
      but I agree, co-DC is dumb.

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    5. And football scoop is credible how? The second report was just a desperate attempt to justify their completely false contention that Chryst was looking at co-DCs.

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    6. Anony...
      I think it is quite credible that Chryst "primary target" fell through.
      that he is considering co-DC albeit he is still looking for DC as that is option 1.
      What is not credible about it.

      if you ever followed footballscoop... they are tied into the college coaching network and tend to be spot on. They never announce anything unless it comes from one of their sources.

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  32. Chris, I am with you I would rather play nova than noles to start out. I cant see any positives from playing the noles unless we win.

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    1. Yeah, the offense will not be good enough yet to be able to do much against FSU.

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    2. i think that would be an awful way to start the season.. you have a roster thats literally half freshman with a new dc opening the season against what i think is the most talented team in the country on prime time national television... theres a chance they pull it out because for as talented as fsu they do lose to a pitt-like team every year but i think its MUCH more likely that they get taken to the woodshed and embarassed setting a bad tone for the season

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  33. Doke
    Thank you for setting my mind at ease about Boyd and the other Clairton kids academic elinility issues. Glad to hear that they are all right . Now lets get back to hoops. Adams is coming on strong...

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  34. Hey i have a source up at pitt that says Steve Pederson is finally going to cough up some money and they are aggressively going after Jon Gruden to be the new dc. I trust this guy with my life so dont be surprised...

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    1. You mean the OFFENSIVE guru Jon Gruden who's making a couple mill a year on TV? You are obviously joking. And if I were you, I wouldn't trust that guy to walk across the street if you value your life. This is stupidity at its finest.

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    2. Good gosh it was clearly sarcasm because people will believe anything if you say "a reliable source says..."

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    3. With some of the stuff written on here...who knows what sarcasm is anymore

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  35. This DC search is getting ridiculous. When's Peterson going to step in?

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  36. btw... I liked that Meyer of OSU challenged the Big10 to "up their game" in recruiting. Only 3 Big10 teams in top 35 wheras SEC had 14... ACC had 6 (including Pitt). He has some foresight... if the league goes downhill that may mean less revenue from tv deals, etc.

    but on the otherhand, Meyer is against the recent changes the NCAA made regarding recruiting... Brown of Texas was against the changes also. It will be a freeforall in recruiting come August this year... and whoever has the biggest recruiting budget and manpower will winout on top recruits.

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  37. The Steelers WR coach is leaving to be OC at Duke. I hope Tomlin doesn't look at Engram cause he would be a legit candidate I would think.

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    1. Engram would take the job...
      clearly he has to be Tomlins 1st or 2nd choice... as Hines Ward would inquire.
      His wife and kids lived in Pittsburgh the last 10 years or so while he was moving around...

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    2. We don't have a DC two months after the fact....imagine how long it would take for PC to fulfill Engram's replacement!

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  38. After a great junior day and a good signing day how did. those effect the juniors looking at Pitt and which ones are strongly considering Pitt.

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  39. I find it hard to imagine that when PC pushed out huxtable he didnt have a plan to replace him. It's safe to assume at this point that no coaches from the super bowl are going to be the Def Coordinator. This is the most important coach on the staff besides himself. He has no background as a defensive coach and his position coaches have little experience. It better not be House.

    What the hell is going on here.

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  40. After last year PC showed he is learning on the job. Now all we need is a DC learning on the job. A recipe I think for disaster. I can't imagine that it would take this long to find a quality replacement. I suspect we can dismiss a Super Bowl coach and an existing DC since LOI day is over. I guess we will now see how serious Pitt is about competing at a high level in the ACC.

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  41. Steelers reportedly are interested in Bobby Engram. Your thoughts Chris? Massive blow if it comes to fruition.

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    1. I was talking about it on twitter. I didn't hear that they were definitely interested. I think people are just speculating since he already works in the building.

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    2. Whats crazy...
      Some Pitt fans are so... delusional... they don't consider Engram a potential candidate for the Steeler position. smh

      Quite frankly, seems like a perfect candidate especially when you dial in Engram family situation. Engram wife and kids lived in Murrysville for 10+ years while Bobby moved from team to team and got back to pittsburgh on days off. It wouldn't surprise me if Engram pursued Steelers.

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    3. John Fox and Tim Lewis are 2 coaches I can think of that went to Steelers from Pitt (probably more)

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  42. Boyd says Engram said he will be in the wildcat. Chrysts says no. Friction already. Explain. Chris.

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    1. Coaches will make promises all the time to get these kids.

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    2. I sense a little bit of friction here. I think wants to be in the wildcat and Chryst doesnt believe in it. I also think the loss of Engram and the awful Def C hiring could be a fatal blow.

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  43. I hope pitt gets a good dc, i think the first choice is gone he needs to get this hire right. Bil Walton's comments on Ben Howland have to go deeper than just basketball, there is something there between them. Howland is not the most pleasant person if he is not a fan of u and I think Walton did not appreciate the snub in the beginning of their meetings. Either way if Ben's fall this yr and next I think he might be gone. I think Jamie is getting better this yr in knowing when to sub for someone and letting them play when their on their game, saying that I think Durand needs to play some more minutes especially if he hits early

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  44. few thoughts on some of this...

    1. Bring on the 'Noles.

    Seiously, we're talking about Pitt needing to change the culture. Saying that we don't want them early (keeping in mind Pitt still has to play them at some point) kind of goes against that thought, doesn't it?

    Besides, if FSU is the superior team, wouldn't it be better to face them in Week 1 when teams are rusty, and before depth becomes an issue later in the year?

    2. Engram, if interested in working with NFL players, would leave if given offer, simply because the NFL can outspend any college team. It wouldn't be the end of the world; you can find recruiters.

    3. I don't buy that there is friction between coaches. I thought that I read that Chryst was somewhat open to the idea. Not that Chryst should be telling everyone of plans to implement a trick formation anyways.

    If Chryst is half the offensive mind we think he is, he'll find a way to utilize Boyd, whether it's a Wildcat or something else. Heck, Wannstedt was willing to use the Wildcat with Shady.

    FWIW, I don't really care too much for it myself, unless your QB can catch the ball. Otherwise you are pretty much telling the other team what you are doing and making it a 10 v. 11 situation to boot.

    4. Peak pretty quickly dismissed the House/Haering co-DC rumors. I agree with Dokish that it would be beyond stupid to do that, so I have a hard time believing that one.

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    1. I agree that we should welcome a shot at FSU the first game of the season. The culture of defeatism must be changed. Instead of worrying about what would happen if we lose, we should think about what it would mean if we win. It would be a tremendous boost, especially for recruiting. If we lose, so what? No one will expect us to win anyway.

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    2. Bad losses in high profile games has cost Pitt a lot over the years and it would only hurt the program more if it happened again. There's not much to gain from it.

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    3. Yes, we have had bad losses in high profile games. However they happened in the DW era. Last year when we played a high profile game (Louisville, ND, VT, Rutgers)we were prepared to play. We beat Rutgers and VT impressively. We were ripped off against ND and Louisville was plain better than Pitt. It's the low profile games I worry about (YSU, UConn, etc...)There is much to gain by playing and WINNING. I have faith that PC and the team would be fired up to give their all.

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    4. Starkey's all for playing FSU as well.

      http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/3430301-74/pitt-state-florida#axzz2KSyU3Bss

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    5. Not much to gain from playing Florida ST on national TV? What are you talking about? Suppose Pitt wins? Do you have any idea what that would do for the program? And if Pitt loses by 2 TD's to FSU, so be it.

      Fla St loses a lot of talent including their QB so lets wait until all those replacement young talented players get more experienced and comfortable in October/November...Makes sense. They are also breaking in a bunch of new coaches.

      I think Pitt has a better chance to beat FSU the first week than the 10th week.

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  45. Ugly game so far... lets see if Pitt can pull it out.
    Adams continually improving.
    Refs are terrible... no whistle.. game out of control.

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  46. The "New Big East" is officially a Mid-Major conference.
    NBC just offered Big East for media rights..
    It amounts to about $2-3million/team per year.
    Ouch.
    Don't they get 4-5million now?
    They say the Catholic 7 league is expected to get more than that from FOX and they don't even have football.

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  47. Interesting to see Marquette in 1st place in BE but not even ranked. Not sure what that tells me

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  48. Marquette is #24 in the AP.

    I don't believe anyone is saying don't play FSU or that Pitt is afraid to play them. It would just be nice to have a little tune-up game first. It's nice that everyone is so optimistic that Pitt can handle FSU, but if you look at it objectively Pitt will be a 10-13 pt. dog. I recall 3 years ago when everyone was jacked up for Miami coming and thought for certain we were ready to handle them. Then came the public flogging with the esteemed alumni players in attendance sneaking out at half-time and Wanny talking to himself up and down the sidelines. Be careful what you wish for. This 2013 team isn't significantly better than last years team. Temper your expectations.

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  49. chris, have you heard anything on centers that jamie dixon has targeted from the juco ranks? what are pitts chances of landing them?

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  50. Paterno.... again...
    Can't they just leave it alone and go away...
    btw... the stuff paterno put out is laughable... they think Freeh has to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt".
    The standard of proof is perponderance of the evidence... what would a jury say based upon the evidence... and yes, circumstantial evidence is evidence.
    They did no interviews... got no documents from PSU... it is just a critique of Freeh report... but they fail to discuss standard of proof.

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    1. I agree Joe. Dredging this up just gets people thinking about it all over again. I understand a wife wanting to defend her husband, but this will serve no purpose and change few, if any minds.

      I've heard they're doing this to get their version out before Curley, Spanier and Schultz go to trial, where they might really rake Paterno over the coals. Also, Sue Paterno will be on Katie Couric, so they're probably hoping to get more publicity for that.

      They need to let it go, and accept that Paterno was a very flawed, imperfect man who made a mistake of enormous proportions. I think of all us, including the Paternos, would be much better served if they accepted what happened and moved on.

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    2. Gotta love Sara Ganim..
      she is tweeting...
      Paterno report says JoePa didn't know about 1998...
      she linked to an article she wrote quoting Scott paterno that JoePa was aware of 1998.
      now Scott says, if JoePa knew... he must have forgotten..
      smh.. you just can't make this stuff up.

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    3. That young lady deserves all the praise and accolades possible. She pretty much singlehandedly broke this story, and richly deserved the Pulitzer Prize.

      At this point, I wouldn't put very much or any stock in what the Paternos say. They're obviously trying to rebuild Joe's legacy and reputation.

      Nothing they say will convince me that he didn't know everything that happened, and chose to turn a blind eye to child rape.

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  51. Dear steve Adams
    I see your continued development right in front of me. In tthree short months u have already developed from an overwhelmed freshman into a solid center in the best basketball conference in the land. I am asking you, make that begging you, to please stick around this humble town of ours for one more year and help us finally kick that door into a final four. I have been suffering for decades with other pitt fans. I have watched guys like Barry goheen, Antonio gates, dewayne wade, tony Allen and scotty reynolds break our hearts and dreams year after year. just once I want to get trhe homecoming queen and be with the heartbreakers, and you my fiend are just the guy to help us do it.
    U can have your name mentioned right up there in Pitt history with tony Dorset if you help us finall get there
    Sincerely
    A heartbroken Pitt fan

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  52. Count me among those who don't like FSU on Labor Day night. I'd prefer to see the offense get a chance to work out the kinks.

    I also believe the game would not sell out...opponent (unless ND) or game time alone won't do the trick. It won't look good on nat'l TV. I'd rather see that game later in the season when it starts to get cold out and perhaps the team has had some success against othe ACC opponents.


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    1. Florida State gets the chance to work out their kinks also.
      Works both ways.
      And if it won't sell out as the opener, it's not going to sell out if Pitt is 3-3 going into an October game.

      I have a problem with people not wanting the game early because Pitt won't be ready/needs a tuneup/hoping for cold weather is that it's defeatist, loser's mentality, which has plagued this program for about 8 years now. It needs to go away.

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    2. I dont think it will sell out in October either. That's not my point...
      I guess the question is, imho, whether its a good idea to show a prime time national audience a partially empty stadium...does that on a net basis equate to good exposure. Perhaps , but I have my doubts.

      As for working out the kinks, I heard a guy on the Fan make a compelling argument that Pitt may be actually better prepared than FSU over Labor Day, so I've re-assessed and changed my mind....imagine that - someone here actually acknowledges that they were influenced by some one else's opinion.

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    3. You should change your opinion back because that's ridiculous. FSU is much further ahead than Pitt right now and the chances of Pitt being embarrassed in that game is much greater than them winning.

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    4. I'll take that under advisement, Chris.

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  53. Pitt basketball and the ranking sites...
    - Sagarin has Pitt as #7.
    - ESPN BPI has Pitt as #12.
    - RPI has Pitt as #28.

    AP and USA Today need to update its ranking... I suspect around 20 which is probably the most accurate in my opinion.

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    1. I'll go with Kenpom. He's generally pretty accurate. Has Pitt at #5 and the only other team besides Florida to be in the top 10 for both offensive and defensive efficiency.

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    2. Thank you joe for trying to bring it around to basketball again, albeit to no avail. I try time and time again to bring it back to hoops, but the subsequent comments always go back to football...proof of why football continues to drive the bus...

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  54. The GOOD far out weighs the BAD of Pitt playing FSU. I understand the argument against the game but Pitt would be expected to lose and it wouldn't hurt an already damaged reputation. Pitt winning early in the season against FSU would put them on the map and help set the tone. This team won't be as fragile as the Graham team that lost to Utah or the Wanny team that lost to Miami. Plus, Tom Savage isn't a spring chicken and will have two years in the system. Pitt's going to have a tough schedule and getting battle tested early isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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    1. I look at the 1st game as an exhibition game... sortof.
      NFL has 4 exhibition games.
      So I think it is good to have an "exhibition" game before starting the season. In this case, the 1st game should be a non-conf game... ie. villinova.
      That said, I'm not a fan of 4 non-conf powderpuff games played back to back but sprinkled throughout the season.

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  55. Pitt and Penn State should play on Labor Day -- they should sign a contract to start their seasons against each other on Labor Day for the next 20 years on ESPN/ABC.

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    1. Amen. Been sating that for years.

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  56. I F'n can't believe you guys!! We have a chance to make history and we don't want to take a shot??? BALLS! FSU on Labor day is the kind of game Big Time programs play. We want to be Big Time...let's walk the walk.

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    1. Let me remind you of the 2012 season..
      Week 1.. Pitt lost to YSU 31-17
      Week 2.. Pitt lost to Cincy 34-10

      Coaches are basically the same..
      The players... only 13 returning starters by my count.
      In my opinion, the YSU loss was a huge embarrassment... playing FSU in week 1 could be just as big an embarrassment.
      Im forecasting Pitt at 6-6 for 2013... and that is optimistic when you look at their schedule.

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    2. All right Joe. I'm writing down your prediction. Now stick with it; no changes during the season!!

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    3. Im your witness Dan. At least wait for Blue-Gold scrimmage...way too early.

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  57. LIke I said, I understand the argument but disagree. Having FSU to start the season creates a sense of urgency for summer camp that can really springboard the season. FSU will be under a lot of pressure to win that game ... and they haven't necessarily played well under pressure recently.

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  58. We are no where near FSU right now as a football program. Lets be honest we have to learn to crawl before we learn to walk. We are barely a year in Chryst's system. I would understand this type of game if Wanny was still here and the coaching stability but these players are still buying into the program.

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  59. Send FSU to us when its 30 degrees and snowing. I don't want to go to a Monday night game in the dead of summer. Pitt will have a new QB, TB, WR, C, G, G, K, P, and I'm sure some more I haven't thought of.

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  60. I wish we would find a DC! A good one at that!! Or a half way good one or one that is half decent or ok at calling plays!! Or one that... Never mind what's the use??

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  61. I thought Jamie Dixon's schedule was too soft and needed more hard games to test the mentally of the team before Big East play. Why not be crushed by FSU instead of losing to YSU or St Vincent's? Your team can certainly understand the level they are playing. Of course if they win then they will probably think they are better than they are and coast the rest of the year. Either way I guess playing a good team to start the year is a bad thing.

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