Random thoughts on the Pitt football and basketball programs
Holy crap...Now you know why I said it was bad that Gilbert transferred.Adams continually said he was not leaving... wonder what changed his mind.I think he should stay another year to work on his game.
What changed his mind? He is smart enough to realize the risk of being exposed.Despite some opinions here, Adams is not above-average athletic for big men. It's easy to be fooled by his build which suggests he should be. But when you watch what he is able to do and not do, you see that looks can be deceiving.Some like to blame his lack of offense and movement around the basket to a lack of experience against better players. Ridiculous. Adams is a slow, low jumper who has to realize on his reach advantage to make a play.Sorry to see him go as he obviously has potential to be a solid college center. But a smart move by a good kid who knows opportunity when it's there.Stand by my prediction that his NBA starts will fall short of his starts at Pitt had he stayed to play out his eligibility.PittofDreams
Adams is an excellent prospect and a very good athlete for his size. There's no question about it. As for what changed his mind, I think it's obvious that he would want to stay but was coerced into it. I'm guessing that an agent was talking to his family about how much money they could make, and then they told Steven to do it.
Bird in the hand vs. two in the bush. Guaranteed millionaire now vs. most likely a millionaire (and maybe a multi-multi-millionaire) later. He didn't want to risk it.
Pretty much everyone said it was bad that Gilbert was leaving, not so much because he was a future star but that he was a big-time space eater at the very least. And, he had the potential of providing 2 good seasons at the back end of his stay at Pitt. Big guys are always needed.
I think Adams saw how Dixon teams do in the NCAA's and figured, why stay around another year and get bumped out again? See the injury's to Noel & Ware couldn't have helped much.I am surprised that Adams didn't keep his word on this though...can't trust players or coaches in this atmosphere. I'm about done with college sports right now...really, it's the haves and the have-nots (Pitt). Pitt BB is toast folks...sorry.
That's just silly. An article coming out tomorrow will say that he has seen basketball as a means to help his family all along. Some things apparently came up this year that made the money a more pressing need for him. I think that speaks to a very impressive young man. He even says he feels bad that he is letting Pitt down. He isn't letting anyone down. He has his priorities straight, as far as I am concerned, and it is not my place to tell him what to do with his life.As for Dixon's teams failing in the NCAA Tourney, don't you think Adams felt like with another year of seasoning he could help reverse that trend?
Everything is going right for Pitt...
come on.. whats going on here. i mean what the hex is happening. im not sure if i should laugh, be upset, say screw it,
Heard that his family is in dire financial condition. Pressure from them. Heard he is New Zealand at the moment.
Pitt is not anywhere close to a NCAA team as of right now. NIT is even borderline. Better schedule the easy OOC schedule per usual.
FIRE STEVE P!!! Someone needs to be held responsible for the lack of control in the athletic dept.
The next 2 years are going to be awful...why..current roster and Dixon can't recruit that many players... he is not Calipari!!!6 players this year class.. he only has 2 so far. 3 players next year.What is the "OUT" clause in Dixon's extension!!! Gave the extension toooo soon as was discussed previously.
Curious timing of this announcement, coming on the heels of the "quickie" extension for Dixon. I wonder if he would have received the extension after the dismal NCAA performance if Pitt knew he would be losing the most talented player he will ever have after spending the whole season not trying to incorporate that player into the offense.
Might as well keep a guy like Dixon now who's known nationally.....Pitt would be lucky to get one of Rice's assistants right now if Dixon left.And don't forget who's still the AD...
Let's hope Jamie weathers this storm. But, the Pitt job is better than you are letting on. The Wichita State guy, for instance, would have been a strong candidate had Jamie left. MVC coaches don't get paid, and they end up with good gigs elsewhere. Pitt is a good gig, career and $$-wise for a lot of good coaches in smaller conferences. What low self-esteem we seem to have now.
They only have nine scholarship players for next year as of now. Let's say Talib Zanna gets a badly sprained ankle or twists his knew mid-season and is out four to six weeks. What are they going to do? Start Mike Young at center and JJM at power forward and play them the entire game???? They have seemingly no plan. They better get this JC recruit that is coming in for a visit tomorrow just for some sort of option inside. I worry with Dixon having seven scholarships over the next two seasons. Joe D makes a good point - I don't even know how he can fill them all, let alone with good players. His recruiting record is just too poor to have any confidence going forward. This team could really struggle next year and if the horses aren't brought in for 2014, this program could certainly have seen its peak and turn into Boston College or Wake Forest in the ACC. Ah, the life of a Pitt fan. Mac
At this point hope for severe and the JC big man to come in. Adams is a big loss but maybe with all these scholly's Dixon adjust his system and gets some shooters and athletic bigs who can play. No more undersized 4's and midget guards who can't stretch the D and are to slow. Start it all over. Robinson has gotta learn how to score over the summer at the tree.
Yeah, Dixon will change because he has shown such flexibility in the past. Someone check the temperature in Hell to see if it is freezing over yet. Otherwise, don't hold your breath that he will change anything. He has the longest guaranteed contract of any employee of the university.
How good is Severe? He's still out there.
I really hope Jamie sees the light, so to speak, with regard to his roster and playing style. He is a bright guy and has been very successful, overall. Surely, he realizes he cannot continue to do the exact same things and get better results. But, I would not expect him to make big, sweeping changes. Grinding defense will always be his calling card. I'd be fine if he would recruit a couple of guys who can stroke 3's and maybe take it to the rack a half dozen times a game. If he told his guards it is ok to release a little sooner on defensive rebounds and actually has his bigs look to get them the ball on a fast break, I think my head would explode from surprise.
Does this hurt pitt's academic score with all the transfers. Didn't uconn take a hit and lose some scholarships because of not graduating kids.
It was always a crapshoot with Adams as to his play and stay. Dixon brought him here and did he believe Adams was going to be here only one year? If so he clearly slow played his development or he underestimated his adjustment to college basketball.
we have a good coach with playing time to give. Im 39, but ill goto to Pitt. I can still shoot, can't jump though. I can also hit about 98/100 free throws, just can never get to the line because of my horrible jumping ability. But why not, I can take a charge.
Good for him. He realized he had zero opportunity to learn an inside game from Pitt's coaching staff. Dante Taylor had 4 years under Dixon and had zero inside game.Adams made a huge mistake coming to Pitt in the first place!
Good move by Adams. He realized the chance of learning an inside Pitt from the current PItt coaching staff was near zero - Dante Taylor being the evidence. His big mistake was coming to pitt in the first place!
His "huge mistake" in coming to Pitt will soon pay off in being selected as a #1 in the NBA draft after 1 year. Hard to say it was a mistake coming to Pitt.As for whether this was a good move, time will tell. It is definitely the safe move. Had he stayed and developed to the point where he could go in the Top 3 next year, then it is not a good move. Of course, no one knows anything for certain but that he will now be worth 7 figures in a few months. He didn't want to risk losing that. You can't fault him for taking the sure thing, no matter what transpires later.
Anon...he could have come to Bobby U and gotten drafted in the same position he'll get drafted in this year.BTW...no way he's a #1 or even a lotto pick....
I said "a #1" meaning first round pick. If you don't think he will go in the first round, start watching more college and pro basketball because you don't know much at all.What is Bobby U?
Someone on the Pitt message board is claiming that three other players are at least considering leaving.... I would like to think that is BS but being a Pitt fan, nothing would surprise me. If you were JJ Moore, would you want to stay here another year when you may end playing back up center? Mac
Two eligible players are heading out and rumor has it there may be more. As Charles Barkley said after a 10 year extension, "didn't he lose"
Normally I'm an optomist, but unless Pitt can bring one two big men JUCO's, it may be a long first season in the ACC.
DokePure speculation on my part, but I cannot help but think that at least some of this mass exodus can be blamed on all the former players tweeting about how boring this system is and that Dixon needs to change styles. I mean these are former players saying this, graves, brown, Taft etc...I also can it help thinking about how Agnes lost her whole team to ttranfers three or four years ago and never recovered...
Looks like Mike Rice is going to get fired from Rutgers...Governor Christie is weighing in on it... literally and figuratively... Rutgers is state university.Tim Peretti the AD may be out also... 50/50..
Rice is now gone. Peretti probably should go as well. He knew about this for a long time, and only gave Rice a 3-game suspension before this blew up all over social media & ESPN. The video shows a multitude of offenses over a long period of time, yet even yesterday the AD was calling it a "one time offense." Seriously, dude? Anger management classes were enough punishment for you?Then, again, Peretti was probably instrumental in getting them into the B1G. So, he's probably safe as long once he buried Rice today.
The faculty went nuts, so Peretti is gone as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they went after the President now. They are like an angry mob with torches and pitch forks going after Frankenstein in these sorts of matters. Of course, they always circle the wagons and protect their own when another faculty member behaves terribly.
I heard from a very reliable source that 14 football players are planning on transferring. We already lost two this past week. I guess 12 more are to come. I wonder who it will be in football this week? I was told that the players really like Chryst, but have serious issues with some of the assistants. Chryst needs to replace a few assistants and get his house in order. We've been rightfully blaming Shell for being a quitter, but if we see this mass exodus, there are obviously some problems here with the program. I hope what I heard is inaccurate, but I don't think so. Now it is happening with basketball. They should dismantle the entire athletic department and start all over again with a new AD!
We will hear of at least 3 leaving...Pitt is over the 85 scholarship limit by 3 so 3 will get the boot.
The Shell thing. I have to believe its going to hurt our local recruiting, it doesn't matter who was right or wrong, its about perception.Speaking of assistants, we have some weak ones for sure. House at DC in his first year is going to cost us come W's this year. Mark it down.
21...I don't think it's going to hurt Pitt's local recruiting one iota. Your assumption is that Pitt is doing a bang up job in local recruiting as it is.
Joe D,Has anyone ever said to you, "With friends like you, who needs enemies?" You never have anything but negativity for Pitt, yet call yourself a fan. They can do without fans who constantly complain that the sky is falling. Pointing out errors is one thing, but you never have anything positive to add.
I still can't believe people thought he was staying. NBA scouts don't pass on that type of athleticism and size.
You can't blame a kid who comes from a big family that appears to be struggily mightily over money for taking 7 or 8 figures as soon as he can. But, if he had stayed even one more season, the money might have increased a great deal. Plus, will a team develop him? I'm not criticizing his decision to become a millionaire now, but this could cost him millions and millions over time.
I was really bummed about Shell and Adams leaving Pitt, then I realized that we get the pleasure of having Jamie Dixon for the next 10 years!
I wish I had Steve Pederson's job security. He can literally ruin Pitt's two most important sports programs and gets a pat on the back from his boss....
I'm not a Pederson fan by any means, but exactly what did he do here?
Is there any word on who these other basketball players are that are leaving?Pitt hoops could become a smoking ruin in a matter of days.
If it's true and three more bball players transfer, it will ruin the program, and Dixon will be left starting almost completely over - especially this late it the recruiting cycle for this year. Ordinarily I wouldn't think that is a very plausible situation, but given recent events I'm having a difficult time remembering the last Pitt offseason that wasn't a slaughter. 2009-10? If this comes to fruition (and that's a big IF), couple that with the state of the football program and it is entirely conceivable that the entire athletic department does not survive the next 3-5 years. No way can your two revenue-generating sports go down in fiery heaps and mass-firings not happen.
If you read Paul Zeise article today on how the women's team fell so quickly u can almost. Substitute Jamie Dixon name for Agnes beeanofo on all the recruiting failures and transfers. It's eerie similar...Coach Dixon better hope to strike some rare gold from the junior college ranks this year.I still think all the previous players complaining during the tournament this year about Pitts had somethinro so with this....I don't think it is much of a stretch to say that pitt was knocked out by Florida gulf coast high flying dunk brigade tgis year and we did not even play them.
The word is out among recruits. Don't come to Pitt. Slow & Boring offense. Dixon too stubborn to change.
Let's not kid ourselves, Adams was a disappointment this year. He has some skills and athleticism but NBA talent? C'mon. The kid is also not aggressive, has no offensive skills, and bad hands(so frustrating watching him not be able to catch the ball). His game needs so much work and I would rather see him stay in school than bottom feeding in the D league next year.
You are delusional if you think he was a complete disappointment this year. Did you happen to notice what a destructive force defensively he was to other teams?
WOW! Is Pitt at rock bottom or is there still room to get there? Concerned is an understatementdUbb
Why hasn't Dokish commented on the 3 players who might be leaving?
First, it is well documented that Pitt football is over the 85 scholarship limit due to size of incoming class by 5.With 2 transfereing... Shell and the DT from Ohio... that means 3 more to go.I'm sure we will find out at the end of Spring ball.
Read a couple stories... seems Adams went back to New Zealand during spring break. Where did he get the money?Seems like his family put the pressure to go to NBA... can you say handout. He is the youngest... can't the elders get work or get off their lazy a$$.Anyway, so sad that a 19yr old has to provide for such a large lazy family.As to Cook story in PG. Disagree with his assessment that basketball will be fine due to Dixon and football will have problems. I see it the other way around. Being, how much lower can Pitt football go. The next 2 years of Pitt basketball is going to be a struggle.
Joe D,Do you have to start with the condemning people stuff again? Some people are poor because they are lazy. Some people are poor because of unfortunate circumstances that they cannot overcome. We don't know that the whole family is poor. He has at least one sibling that is/was an olympic athlete. Maybe several of them are doing well and are helping one another. Maybe, like even most middle income families, multi-millions can change lives and should not be passed over even if you are doing ok. Stop condemning people you don't know.
There are 18 siblings... with the oldest in their late 40's I believe.so instead... put the entire burden on a 19 year oldOk.. I get it!!Sounds like moochers... worse than AAU handlers.
So, each and every one of his siblings has to be a moocher who brow beats him into signing with an agent so they can take every cent he makes? It couldn't be that some of them simply have financial issues and he is choosing, of his own free will, to help his family because that is what close families do? Is your glass always 3/4 empty?
That is the point..I don't think he is choosing of his own freewill but browbeat and made to feel guilty.. my opinion.This only came about after NCAA after his infamous quote and his recent trip to New Zealand. His girlfriend is in some JC in Wyoming and was looking to go to some college in Pittsburgh area for basketball.
I guess we just disagree then. My point is that maybe he just wants to help family. And maybe there are family financial situations that just can't be overcome without a big assist from him. That doesn't mean they are all free loaders and they brow beat him into it. Maybe it just means he would do anything he can to better the lives of his family. If I had some siblings that were hurting financially, and I had the means to help, I would like to think I would do that. It is possible to be in a bad financial position without being a deadbeat.The question is, would it be better for him to stick around and try to up his draft status for next year? That could be a multi-million dollar difference to him. He will be guaranteed a few million $$ just by being in the Top 15 this year. But, an article from Forbes that I read said only 2 years of NBA money is guaranteed for rookies, and the contracts only run 3. What if he is drafted #12 and washes out after 2 years due to never being developed or he tears up a a knee? That is still a few million $$. But, it is peanuts compared to the guaranteed money of a Top 3 overall pick next year. It is a nice situation to be put in, but also a tough one to decide how to proceed. He chose the safe route.
Pitt hoops is a smoking ruin! Going to the ACC next year with no center, no power forward and no shooting guards. Just Robinson and a bunch of nobody's. They'll be lucky to win one game in the ACC next year! And they gave Dixon a 10 year extension to boot! Unreal!!
Steve Pederson has done a lot of good things for the University of Pittsburgh, but he has completely bombed in his second stint as Pitt AD! He needs to be relieved of his duties immediately and given/offered another job within the University, which he'll hopefully decline.
Apparently despite fans and alumni disapproving Norty keeps him on board. He is an embarrassment to the university and as smug as they come. It's such a shame that we are subject to this type of product. Despite what anyone else says, he is the reason this is all happening. It always starts at the top.
Best thing for Pitt B-Ball now would be for Dixon to take the New Mexico job. Otherwise this whole team is going to completely fall apart and he'll be fired in a couple of years anyway.
Won't happen, unfortunately. NM is not dumb enough to guarantee him 10 years and a big raise.
don't let the rumor mill get the best of you. Most of them usually don't come to fruition especially when coming from an anonymous source ... which is somewhat hypocritical coming from me
I read that Jaylen Bond was transferring from Texas. Any potential that he'll wind up back at Pitt?
You can't be serious?
With Rice now fired...I predict Howland to Rutgers!!!
Mark Madden tweeting hypotheticals...Sounds like Shell was going to get suspended... I've read others saying that on other boards but didn't believe it.Also, he said lots of former teammates of Shell singing!!!