Wednesday, June 19, 2013

Panthers land Grimm

It has seemed inevitable for a long time, but today giant Bethel Park offensive lineman Mike Grimm made it official by committing to the Panthers.  The 6'6" 320 pound Grimm is naturally big and is considered one of the strongest players in the country.  He is an ideal fit for what Paul Chryst wants to do. Other offers include West Virginia, Wisconsin, Virginia, Arizona, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, and Baylor.

89 comments:


  1. Famous last words….

    Joe D - May 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM
    "If people are going to call me out, I'm going to respond.
    If people are going to say I'm wrong on a rule, I'm going to respond.
    Fact of the matter, I'm right most of the time."


    Joe D - May 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM
    "Of the Top 6 Wpial 2014 players, how many will Pitt land?
    Top 6 are: Nicholson, Grim, Henry, McKenzie, Winovich, Bookser.

    Unfortunately, my forecast is showing "Zero".
    For anyone else who wants to forecast, man up and put your name on your post."

    Hahahahahhahahaha…. WRONG AGAIN!

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    1. Yep, 1 of 2 so far. 4 have yet to decide.
      Where was your forecast?
      I see how you always post as Anonymous!

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    2. I'd be less concerned with a forecast Joe and more concerned with the results. This is a good day for Pitt. Be happy we landed Grimm.

      So your prediction was wrong. Big deal.

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  2. Covert, May, Grimm.... Fast forward to 2014... Bisnowaty, Johnson, Grimm...

    See how that works?

    PittofDreams

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  3. Good get with Grimm, hope he pans out.

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  4. longsufferingpittfanJune 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Anon...Wouldn't that be great if it does work out that way? I give HCPC a lot of credit for his work building an offensive line. Can't have a great offense without those young men of unusually large size leading the way. Welcome to Pitt Mike!

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  5. Not complicated.

    Simply a matter of Paul simply living up to his promise to brother Geep to make sure Keller is well protected.

    PittofDreams

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    1. That's three prep All-Americans added to the O-line cops in consecutive years, in addition to four other hogs last year that averaged 6'5" 300lbs, with a good chance at a 4th prep all american (Bookser).

      Say what you want about skill positions, and I'll probably agree with it. But if nothing else, Pitt's O-line should be able to match up against anyone in the ACC in the very near future.

      So even if Keller doesn't have anyone to throw the ball to, at least he won't get planted on his ass every time he drops back.

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  6. You can win big with 3* skill position players. But linemen & QB's are easily the most important positions in college football.

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  7. I can't wait till our first game in the Patriot League.
    Or are we going to the MAC.

    Stoops is 1st year coach at Kentucky.
    Kentucky is the doormat in SEC football.
    He currently has the #1 ranked class in US!

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    1. Article on Stoops and Kentucky and how he went from Doormat to #1 ranked recruiting class in his 1st year on the job.
      Anonymous, if you may recall me saying..
      Stoops, Stoops, Stoops!!! now you know why!!

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/mark-stoops-kentucky-reach-top-recruiting-rankings-151833076.html

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    2. And guess what, they'll continue to be a doormat in the SEC & Stoops will be fired in 4 or 5 years.

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    3. We don't know that. He could be a great head coach for all we know.

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  8. Welcome to Pitt Mike, and congrats to Coach Chryst and staff. The O line has the potetial to be scary good. Let's hope that happens, and the offense really hits on all cylinders. That will hopefully help in recruiting skill guys.

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  9. Chris -
    Does Grimm open the door to any other WPIAL kids?

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    1. I doubt it.
      Don't look, but another MAC player committed to Pitt.
      The trend of 4 recent recruits:
      - they have high GPA's
      - the best offer was Pitt

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  10. Grimm is a feel good get. Building blocks one at a time. If the world hasn't ended with 30 years of mediocrity of Pitt football, then maybe this decade will be well received and long overdue. Good for PC. Hail to Pitt.

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  11. I'd like to congratulate PC and staff for once again laying the foundation for another great recruiting class.

    What happened to those having heart attacks about no signings in MAY?? Ha, Ha, Ha. Well guess what, they now have more commitments than USC, UCLA, South Carolina, Arkansas to name a few. Boy, those schools a bunch of losers and bet they wish they had a great HC like Pitt does.

    The overall ranking is also moving up with ONLY 8 months till signing day and I more great players coming.

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  12. Good grief. Pitt lands a highly sought after local recruit, plus a few others, and people are talking about Bob Stoops and KY. Who gives a rip!!!

    Just can't enjoy a little good news, huh fellas? Maybe it's because you can't stand Chryst and staff having some success. Every time Pitt loses a recruit, people are on here screaming Chryst can't recruit, then when he lands some, just can't give him any credit.

    At least be man enough to give the guy credit when it's due.

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    1. Nah, they can't do that.

      Regarding Stoops, people keep forgetting that he can easily sell early playing time (like most first year coaches), and that he hasn't coached a game yet. Being able to have a real pretty recruiting class doesn't mean anything if you can't coach a lick. Bet ya if Kentucky only wins 3-4 games this year, Stoops won't be pulling in a Top 25 class the next.

      Of course, there's also suspicion that Stoops learned some tricks from Calapari, if you know what I mean.....

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    2. Chryst could sell the exact same thing last year and he wasn't great on the recruiting then either.

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    3. It's Mark Stoops... his brother Bob is in Oklahoma.
      and he is a 1st year coach.
      Pitt had a chance to get Mark Stoops instead of Graham!
      Had a chance to get Mark Stoops instead of Chryst.

      You can also look at Franklin of Vandy last year and this year.
      Pitt could have had Franklin instead of Graham!

      Dan, Pitt now has 7 players. 2 of which I consider BCS level. The other 5 are not. I don't consider that successful... mayb

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    4. @ Chris - Except everyone was very wary of the Pitt program after what Pederson did to it over the previous 18 months.

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    5. What your opinion of BCS level is clearly different than what a lot of other people think BCS level is.

      You've been proven wrong on here far more than you've been proven right, Joe. Give the negativity a rest. You don't know more about college football than any college football coach in the country, that includes little sisters of the poor blind Community College.

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    6. And Kentucky is a perennial doormat who was 2-10 last year. Vanderbilt has an awful history but that didn't stop James Franklin. PSU was the scourge of the country. People are looking for excuses as to why Pitt isn't recruiting at a high level. The reason is simple. They're just not great recruiters. That doesn't mean they aren't good recruiters and it doesn't mean they can be great coaches. But people have to stop believing that Chryst is going to magically start bringing in big time classed because its not going to happen. He'll get some elite players here and there but there won't be a lot.

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    7. Joe, I couldn't care less whether you think a player is a legit prospect or not. The only opinion that matters is that of Chryst and staff, who actually get to meet and evaluate the players.

      Also, the fact that I got Stoops' first name wrong doesn't change the point about you being such a negative nancy on a day where Pitt landed a big-time recruit. Criticize where it's waranted, but also be a big enough person to give credit where it's due, instead of bringing up another program.

      The problem with getting too fixated on predictions and preconceived notions is that you can lose your objectivity and not be able to praise someone when it's justified.

      While I'm glad they got Grimm, I'm not saying that it makes Chryst and staff ace recruiters. It's a good sign, but the jury is still out. Chryst may never be an ace recruiter, but his style is working to a certain extent.

      I think Chryt's low-key, sincere style may take longer to really take hold, but if you read the recruit's comments, they're universally in praise of Pitt's staff, and that includes some of the kids that got away (Foster).

      It just amazes me how some supposed Pitt fans can't just enjoy a day like today.

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    8. Paul is confused right now. He thinks were playing in the MAC next year.

      He needs to start recruiting players who can win in the ACC.

      Inoke, Haering, Robinson and others are not getting it done.

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    9. Dan, I can't get excited about 5 of the 7.
      Maybe you can.
      Obviously you don't get it. Chryst with his 2nd full year of recruiting is proving he can't land top talent.
      Everyone, like you, like to make excuses.
      Chris brought up 3 examples to look at how newbie coaches are tearing up the recruiting trail!!
      Here is a newsflash, Chryst methods are not going to work in bringing in top talent.

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    10. Dokish - I know. I'm just focusing on the obsession that some here have with Stoops and UK.

      Again, won't mean a lick if he can't develop the players or coach on gameday.

      How many of you think UK will finish in the Top 3 (i.e. upper half) of the SEC East once in the next 5 years?

      Back to Chryst, I think it's pretty clear he's trying to follow the blueprint that was used at Wisconsin when he was there. Time will tell if it will work here.

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    11. Excellent article here on how Kentucky is recruiting.
      But, don't just look at Kentucky, look at PSU and Vanderbilt with newbie coaches.
      Bottom line, Chryst "non-selling" approach is not working to land top players. Most players he is landing, Pitt is the best offer. People don't want to use stars and people don't want to use what other college coaches think (offers).. smh The article also addresses stars. Great article.

      http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/kentucky-extends-secs-brand-into-ohio.php

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    12. Good for them. Outstanding support of your agenda as well. Now, man up, follow your words with action, and go populate the UK board instead of this one with your self-gratifying comments.

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    13. Stoops and Franklin are 2 coaches Pitt could have landed but never even interviewed.
      Franklin is from Eastern PA somewhere.
      Franklin 2nd class at Vandy is looking good also.
      That is why I bring them up. Also, I wanted Stoops, Stoops, Stoops. At least we wouldn't be complaining about the recruiting class with Stoops!

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    14. Trust me Joe, you'd find something to complain about. That's just who you are, a negative nancy. And what you obviously don't get is that most everybody doesn't give a rat's behind what you think. An expert on everything and an authority on nothing.

      I'm not making excusess for anybody. If you actually read and understood what I wrote, I said it's fine to criticize Chryst and staff when appropriate, but on the flip side, how about giving credit when they land a big fish? Are you man enough to do that, or will you continue to be a nattering nabob of negativism?

      I'm all for accountability, and taking responsibility. However, I'm also for giving kudos when a job is well done.

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    15. From the link joe D sent for all you haters of rankings

      "The Wildcats typically have to take the lower ranked Southern players, the diamonds in the rough, players that are not as highly recruited by other SEC schools or players that get looked over by the big boys. This means that Kentucky's in the business of trying to beat other SEC schools with players that are inferior. (Football recruiting rankings actually do a pretty damn good job when you consider the numbers. That is, a particular four or five star player might "bust", but as a group, the four and five star players vastly outperform the two and three star players. That's even though there are a ton more two and three star players being recruited every year). How often do teams with worse players win games against teams with better players?"

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  13. Have personal ties to the Stoops family. Know for a fact that Mark, the youngest, is regarded as the "nicest" of the brothers.

    That and the name Stoops obviously paying dividends with recruits and their families. Interesting to see if "nice" translates to wins as a Head Coach.

    PittofDreams

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  14. As for Pitt's recruits... Patrick Amara, 6''2" 180, looks as fluid as an athlete as you're going to see on tape.

    Currently a 2 Star, going to bet we're going to see his status rise come the fall.

    A good recruit with some serious upside.

    PittofDreams

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    1. The prospects the Panthers have so far are nice sleepers but you can't have a classed filled with mostly sleepers. So I can see not being overly thrilled so far. Now, if Chryst can land 4 or 5 really good kids, and he probably will because no matter the coach Pitt usually gets 4 or 5 that stand out, then people will be happier. But it's obvious that Chryst is not going to be that coach that's going to bring in big time classes. And I think a lot of people are just bummed because it's going to be more 7,8 win teams for the most part, and once again Pitt is an afterthought on the national scene.

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    2. If Pitt can win 8 games in regular season... year in and year out, that would be great!! in my opinion.

      But, I don't see that happening whether from a recruiting perspective in not having the players to win 8 games or from the coaching perspective in not have great assistant coaches on the defensive side of the ball.

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    3. Joe D, apparently winning 8 games per year (or average 9 wins in a 3 year period) will get you fired at Pitt .. or more precisely, did get you fired at Pitt.

      Nowadays, I'm sure the same AD may be quite content with 7,8 wins per year

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  15. Excellent post on another Pitt blog concerning recruiting at Pitt. According to the post, the University was extremely upset about the infamous Sports Illustrated article from a few years ago and has since then implemented new procedures to help ensure that only players of higher character are offered scholarships to the school.

    “Before this rash of arrests, Pitt had no procedure for screening football recruits for past trouble with the law. But after Knox’s arrest Pitt’s athletic department implemented a new policy requiring coaches to seek more detailed background information on potential recruits”

    . These procedures are apparently time consuming and may help explain why Pitt is often later than many schools at extending offers to recruits, no matter who the Head Coach is (including Stoops, Stoops Stoops).

    MC

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    1. Knox's background was well documented when he was being recruited ... yet, a list of his offereors included Maryland, Penn St, Wake Forest and Michigan

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    2. I’m guessing that with the new procedures that are now in place, a kid like that will never even sniff an offer from Pitt…regardless of how many “stars” he has.

      MC

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  16. Chris,

    I think it's a little premature to project the future of Pitt football under Chryst to be just "7,8 win teams."

    It's pretty amazing the impact that comes from fielding a competitive team with a couple of big wins in the national spotlight and how all of a sudden an earnest, plain-spoken Coach from small-town Wisconsin can look pretty charismatic.

    The problem is Pitt teams and Coaches of the recent past seemed to always lose the big games when it mattered most ( Of course, the upset in Morgantown being the exception).

    Admittedly, losing to Notre Dame in triple OT is not going to do it. Chyrst needs to reverse the trend. Pitt fans need to be able to count not only on Pitt performing well in big games but winning a lot of them.

    If Chryst is successful to this end, the rest will take care of itself.

    PittofDreams

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  17. I know Joe D hates it when you bring up the results at Wisky but the facts are the Badgers never ranked very high on the recruiting sites and went to a few Rose Bowls. I like to think the Coach is following past success and has a plan.

    I don't think there is any doubt that we all want 5 star recruits. Sprinkle in a couple 4* and see what happens. But that isn't happening. So let's see how this shakes out. There is a reason why most coaches get 4-5 years before getting fired. It takes time. And might take PC 4 years. The bigger fear is his in game decision making. If that doesn't change then we got an offensive Wanny leading us now.

    So some will say thoughts like these are kool-aid drinkers and so be it. If drinking the kool-aid is giving the coach time to implement his system and ideals then count me in. The negative people on the blogs are always going to be that way and will never be happy. So who cares what they think.

    Now excuse me while I add the sugar to my mix.

    Grape Kool-Aid

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    1. Did you know Gatorade is just Kool-Aid with sodium and potassium salt? LOL
      I prefer Gatorade Fruit Punch.

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    2. And here people think you are an opinionated know it all.

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    3. Can't really use Wisky. They went due rose bowls due to the fact that michigan had a historic down turn, psu had a senile coach, and osu were on sanctions. Plus ohio state made bsc games which opens up a second bowl for the big 10. Wisky at best is still behind osu, mu, psu. They are pretty much on par with msu. Second level of the big 10. The head coach just left so that should say something about their ability to win big.

      It's not that all the "negative nancy's" are wanting Pitt to do bad. It's the fact that Pitt has so much potential to be great but doesn't seem to want to be.

      Why settle for second tier prospects when there are great ones a half hour from campus and more a few hours away? If you aim low you will never reach the max potential.

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    4. I think some may refer to me as an opinionated a$$hole.

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  18. Here's a link to an article that details Pitt's recruiting process and why it takes so long. It's interesting reading.

    http://www.pittblather.com/2013/06/20/some-recruiting-background/#more-16544

    The negative nancy comment is intended for those who regardless of Pitt landing a big-time recruit, find something to complain about. If all you do is criticize without giving congratulations on a job well done, in my book you qualify as a negative nancy.

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    1. Sounds like more excuse making to me.

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    2. Chris, I think it's an explanation rather than an excuse. We can agree to disagree on that point.

      I wasn't thrilled about Chryst's hiring because of his ability/willingness to recruit, and I'm still not convinced that he'll work out. I just want to give the man a fair chance to prove himself, or not.

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    3. I agree Chris... just more excuses.
      Dan, you just can't defend Chryst recruiting record anymore. People can't continue to come up with all sorts of excuses anymore.
      I just have to point to PSU, Kentucky, Vandy to compare Chryst to.

      Chryst recruiting is what it is. BAD!
      His methods "just offer" and "no selling" don't work for the elite player.
      I thought Stoops was an idiot to go to Kentucky thinking how is he going to recruit players to Kentucky. Look what he has done.

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    4. Is Pitt handing out girl scout cookies as well?

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    5. From the Pitt Blather post:

      “the whole emphasis on academics and doing new and ‘extended’ research into the recruit’s background has been specifically mandated by the PITT administration as was their promise to change the way they do business after the Sports Illustrated scandal broke.”…”

      Do you think that PSU, Kentucky or just about anyone else is currently recruiting under those restrictions?

      MC

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    6. That's absurd. Pitt is not doing background checks on kids. Like a lot of schools they are trying to stay away from criminals but that's not unusual.

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    7. Stop making so much sense Chris. I don't know if you've heard Chris, but Smiley is now going on in home recruiting visits with the coaches. When the coaches are talking to the kid and his family, Smiley excuses himself to go to the bathroom but instead walks around and places a hidden camera in their house. That way, were sure to only get high caliber recruits.

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    8. 21,
      Did Pitt Blather post that!!
      Seems they will make things up and post it.

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  19. Pitt is now ranked 12th of 14 ACC teams as of today.
    52nd overall.. per Rivals.

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  20. another quote:

    “This evaluation is not a legal criminal background check,” the school said in a statement. “Rather, it is a checklist of questions that attempts to gain greater knowledge of the behavior and citizenship of an individual prospect from a variety of people.”

    "I don’t think PITT fans realized just how much of an impact that article (regardless of how simplistic it was) and the revelations it held shook up the PITT Administration and Board of Directors."

    MC

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    1. smh,
      To what extent people just make crap up (excuses) due to poor recruiting by Chryst.
      Unbelievable.
      Pitt isn't doing any of that stuff.
      Academics?? And they went hard after Robert Foster who has yet to qualify for Alabama!!
      Also, if that were the case, they would have rescinded the offer on Rushel Shell... and LaSala (Assistant AD for football) lives in Hopewell and knows everything about Shell!
      smh. I guess Pitt Blather will put anything up on their blog.

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    2. It pains me to say this but Joe D is right. He's not right about exaggerating how awful of a recruiter Chryst is, especially since there's a long way to go in this class, but Pitt isn't exactly recruiting nothing but choirboys and Foster and Shell are two perfect examples.

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  21. Stoops hasn't won a game at KU.... so 'look what he has done' is mostly a meaningless statement. It is beyond silly to claim PC can't recruit while in the middle stages (early even) of his second recruiting effort. As far as I know...none of the naysayers here, especially the ones who aren't even man enough to say good job with Grimm, have ever recruited anyone to anything except a local bar. Give the man a chance to coach, get results, and recruit a few more classes. Everyone wants immediate positive results, and they are sure that THEY know how to achieve them. PC seems to be a good guy who works hard and has a plan.. He deserves a chance to work his plan. And if the OL is as good as it appears it will be over the next 2+ years, many of those other recruits will look a LOT better.

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    1. Walt was a good guy.
      Wanny was a good guy.
      Results are what matter, especially when Chryst is making $2million/yr.

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    2. In that case lets give him three years of results before calling him a failure.

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    3. Yet some here won't give Chryst those same 3 years.

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    4. How many games does Chryst need to win next year (his 3rd year) to keep his job?

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    5. The only way that Chryst gets fired after three years if it REALLY gets bad, and I don't see that happening. However, if he has a mediocre record after four years then I'm guessing he would go.

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  22. SO you want results in 1+ year, and < 2 years of recruiting Joe ? That's beyond ridiculous. Stoops has no results yet, but he is treated by you as the second coming...

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    1. Stoops is doing an unbelievable job in recruiting for year 1. Beyond anyone's expectations.
      Everyone is talking about Stoops and his recruiting because no one expected it.
      Recruiting is one measurement.
      Wins/Losses is another measurement.
      If Stoops can win the recruiting battle, his wins on the field will come. Perhaps not in his 1st year.
      Hey, I've given Chryst a pass for last year and this year record. But 2014 is critical for Chryst.
      I haven't given Chryst a pass for recruiting because he should be able to do that in year 1. See PSU, Vandy, Kentucky.

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    2. Chryst is under A LOT of pressure and stress right now, seeking either your approval or at least a pass from you. If you would at least give him a one year pass, I think it would go a long way and free him up to work.

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    3. That's because Joe D & his ilk care more about fictitious recruiting titles than they do actual titles on the field.

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    4. Anonymous 4:40
      I suggest you lookup Alabama and their recruiting and their titles.
      smh.

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    5. Gotta agree with Joe D on this one. Look at the national title winners the last 10 years and see their recruiting classes. They aren't winning with a bunch of 2 and 3* recruits.

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    6. Joe D.

      We are not Alabama. The sooner you and Chris realize this the better. A lot of damage has been done to the program over the years. We need a better solution than grabbing local 4 star players who feel they are doing Pitt a big favor by gracing their presence on campus. Instead of performing to that leveI they often play to a 3 star level or lower. I believe Chryst is doing the right thing by recruiting high character kids that are physically talented with upside. How about getting kids with high character, high work ethic that plays up to a 3 star level or higher?

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    7. Typical reply and why Pitt is mediocre. People act like Pitt program had the worst two years ever. I got news for you. It wasn't even the worst two years in the state. And the team that had it worse is recruiting better than Pitt. Pathetic excuses.

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    8. Agree with Chris on this as well. It's borderline embarrassing that PSU is "beating" Pitt on the recruiting front. These kids go to PSU and KNOW they won't be appearing in bowl game in three years. Pitt has absolutely no excuse for their "failure" to get the top local kids. Why spend the money and resources recruiting kids in Hawaii when those resources could be spent on the local kids. Also, keep in mind it to PC nearly three months to pick a new DC. One with NO previous coordinating experience. And I've heard the players are too fond of House to boot.

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    9. Anonymous 5:49.
      A lot of damage has been done!! Ridiculous statement ever.
      Just look at PSU!!
      PSU currently has 20th ranked class per rivals.
      Pitt at 54.

      We are going to the ACC not the Patriot League!
      What is in that koolaid you are drinking. I want some!

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    10. Joe D

      PSU plays in the Big Ten, In front of 110,000 fans every Saturday. They are treated like royalty by people at State College. They have recent tradition that Pitt can not touch. It is NOT a ridiculous statement. It is FACT. PSU fans don't care about the scandal and neither do the players or recruits. That is a SAD fact but reality

      Call me Sam

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    11. "Typical reply and why Pitt is mediocre. People act like Pitt program had the worst two years ever. I got news for you. It wasn't even the worst two years in the state. And the team that had it worse is recruiting better than Pitt. Pathetic excuses."

      Chris,

      You are stuck in the early 80's. Pitt hasn't been relative in 35 years!!!! Not just two years, but 35! No outright Big East Conference titles, no BCS wins...Nothing of substance. Ole Miss and Kentucky can sell playing time in the best conference in America, in front of sell out crowds with the promise they will get better program. They are selling excitement. Pitt fans and local recruits have been hearing about how Pitt is going to turn it around since DW took over. They had high recruiting classes and no results. At some point recruits, coaches and parents get tired of hearing the same stale message. They want to see results. Until then Pitt will struggle to get top recruits. Their best hope is to recruit like Cincinnati, TCU, Utah, Wisconsin, coach them up and show results. It's not pathetic excuses, it is reality.

      Call me Sam

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    12. Pitt hasn't been relative because the administration doesn't feel they need to be great and the attitude of people like you are why. Pitt has everything it takes to be a great program except desire.

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    13. "Pitt hasn't been relative because the administration doesn't feel they need to be great and the attitude of people like you are why. Pitt has everything it takes to be a great program except desire."

      That is a true statement. Unfortunately, you hit upon another reality...it won't change. You and I both know that. Getting frustrated is a waste of time. So what do we hope for as fans? We should look at the results at Wisconsin (low recruiting ratings, high on the field results)and trust Chryst. I think we'll know sooner than later whether Chryst will be successful.


      Call me Sam

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    14. Well like I said many times before, I think Chryst will probably average 7 or 8 wins a year so I don't think he will be a flop. I'm just specifically against people making excuses for Pitt's obvious shortcomings. If the fans stop making excuses then maybe Pitt will bel pressured to be better.

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    15. Chris,

      I agree that we are looking at 7-8 wins in the short run. Watching PSU clean up after the scandal made me look at the situation not as a Pitt fan, but an outsider. Pitt's perception is not great right now. However, if we.....and I can't believe I'm saying this....overachieve, I think we can attract even better players. It would give the locals a reason to get excited again. As you have said before, there is no buzz with the program right now. See is believing, we need to have an overachieving season for the first time since Walt Harris' first year... Right now people are tired of hearing "next year"

      Call me Sam

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  23. Chris, if pitt got the top 4 of your 25 man wpial team would you consider that a top 30 ranking class? What is our chances of getting the top 4? 85% is that realistic?

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    1. Yes and it's pretty unlikely that they will get all four.

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  24. Few thoughts...

    1. It would be really lame if Pitt's administration is using that SI article to restrict recruiting (I don't think they are) given how that article was a complete hackjob.

    2. Wins and losses is the ONLY assessment. Period. Recruiting may help, obviously, but no one remembers (at least fondly) about being the champ of August and February. Ask Dave Wannstedt.

    3. 8 wins in the ACC will mean a whole lot more than 8 or even 9 wins in the Big East.

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  25. If they don't land some of this local high level talent this class is going to be very pedestrian. There offer list appears to be most 2 or barely 3 stars per rivals. There's a pair of 4 star WR that are not local they seem to have a chance with and the outside chance of his nephew but other than that its the local guys and Mac level recruits.
    KRF

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  26. Another 3 star commit. Herndon 320lbs. Nice beef for the D line. Had a va tech offer, uconn, wmich, odu and jams Madison.

    KRF

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  27. Joe D. -Foster has qualified at Alabama.

    I think you'd be crazy to believe that Paul Chryst isn't going to pursue a guy like Foster to be at PITT. Nothing in Foster's background would have precluded Chryst from having him on roster whatever Chryst's criteria were.

    The PITT athletic department is certainly spending a lot more time and money this year than in the past looking into prospective players's backgrounds. They have formal policy and are doing more in-depth interviews with people associated with the recruit and are factoring that into PITT's decision making.

    Of course, nowhere in that article did I even allude to that being the reason PITT isn't doing well at recruiting - that is selective reading on your part. PITT certainly can and should aggressively recruit 4 & 5* players who also fit the model Chryst wants to have on-board.

    The fact that those recruits aren't choosing PITT is a completely different story and does point to the fact that this staff hasn't been able to close on blue-chip recruits save Boyd. That is a real concern and if that doesn't change we'll have big problems down the road.

    The bottom line is this. I agree with Chris that this staff hasn't been effective at getting the highly rated recruits we targeted and that is a problem, but to say that this staff is, at this point, a failure at recruiting, as Joe D. has said, isn't true either. We won't be able to determine that for a year or two at least.

    My point is that if there is a choice between recruits who are close in talent levels then this staff is going to go after the one who has the best shot at sticking in the program and being able to progress to grow into a starter. To me that makes perfect sense.

    Joe D. was adamant that Shell was going to drag his HS attitude and problems into his college career and that proved to be true. What is worth wondering about is that since Shell wasn't a PC recruit and if he hadn't already had a formal PITT offer and commitment when PC arrived would he have still been pursued as heavily by Chryst as he was Graham?

    That's something to think about and we'll not ever know but, and of course hindsight is 20/20, that scholarship would have been better used by a recruit with a better track record and a better chance at acclimation into college life. I do think Chryst would have taken the chance anyway but then again we've seen this staff not pursue recruits who everyone else felt should be pursued.

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