Sunday, June 2, 2013

Pitt basketball lands big time 2016 prospect

There's been a lot of handwringing from Pitt fans about whether or not Jamie Dixon can get enough good players to salvage next season, but Dixon took a big step for the distant future by landing 6'6" Maverick Rowan of Lincoln Park HS in Midland (Beaver County).

Rowan recently finished his freshman season and averaged 23.6 ppg on a very loaded squad.  A good athlete and an exceptional shooter (both from three and at the line where he shot 88%), Rowan was already being recruited by Kentucky, Ohio State, North Carolina, and UCLA.  While he still has many years to play in high school, many think he will be at least a top 50 prospect.

Rowan's father, Ron, played at Beaver Falls, and also collegiately at Notre Dame and St. John's, where he played on the same team as Mark Jackson, Walter Berry, and Chris Mullin.


128 comments:

  1. Maverick may be a 2015 grad.
    He went to Hopewell for 8th grade. Then repeated 8th grade as homeschool. Then went to LP for freshman year.
    So, he may reclassify back to a junior.

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    1. All true. I didn't want to write about it until I had the exact facts but that's the gist of it.

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    2. Actually, there is more to the story than that.
      Ron Rowan screwed up. While he was Hopewell coach, he has his son play on the 9th grade team when he was an 8th grader. So, Maverick's eligility clock started.
      Ron was fired from Hopewell so he was looking to have his son enroll at LP. Wpial was going to have a hearing as it was considered a "transfer" perse. Ron then found out about the eligibility clock.
      Therefore, by repeating 8th grade and not playing for any HS team, Maverick's eligibility clock restarted. That is why Rowan repeated 8th grade as homeschooling.

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  2. If he is a freshman and will be 17 in July, how on earth can he be expected to be college material? He will be twenty, if and when he graduates.

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    1. I suppose he could graduate from HS in less than 3 more years, if he qualifies. Maybe that is the plan since they now know he has schools wanting him on scholarship.

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    2. He's a smart kid. He was held back for athletic intent. That is not as uncommon as most think.

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  3. (ready) LOL....now let's see if we can keep him !!

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  4. So far away there's a 50-50 chance he ends up Pitt. I'mworried about this year . A backcourt of James Robinson and Can Wright is not good enough.

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  5. I'm sure it was purely accidental that Jamie landed a good recruit

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    1. Wow are we just Mr. Negativity.

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    2. I actually think it's sarcasm, aimed at some of the dummies on this blog (who are remarkably silent right now.....)

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    3. You nailed it Ether... pure sarcasm, because we all know Jamie can't recruit...

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    4. I am actually encouraged that Jamie is going after the type of player that he never seemed to bother with in the past. This kid can shoot, but needs to work on his defense. Jamie's history has usually been that he trusts kids who can't shoot but can play defense a lot more than this type of player. Maybe he recognizes that he needs to start adding scorers. Now, if/when Maverick gets to Pitt (and I'm hoping he does), if Jamie has him sit for 2 years while he reaches an acceptable defensive level, while ignoring his obvious offensive gifts, then I'll really be perplexed.

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  6. Also, he can only play 2 more years at LP because he will be too old his Sr. year.

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    1. He turns 19 in July.
      PIAA says you can play senior year if you turn 19 after July 1.
      Mike White of PG started saying Rowan can't play once he hits 19. I sent MW an email on 4/23 saying he was incorrect and sent him the link to the bylaw. MW has since corrected himself.

      So, Rowan can stay at LP and play until 2016 if he chooses.

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    2. There is no point in staying in HS that long, if he truly is a top recruit and has pro potential. A lot of the great college players are going pro by the time he'll get to college if he stays in HS 3 more years. Won't happen.

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  7. 2016 is soooo far away ... can't get too excited about this one yet.

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    1. Well aren't you just a glass is half empty person.

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    2. Not at all ... just a realist ... also, we've all been "tempted" by the next big star coming down the pike. I'll wait to pass judgement when I see some results.

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    3. He'll be in college somewhere before 2016 ... hopefully, Pitt. I am encouraged that Chris says he thinks there is a better than even money chance he sticks with Pitt, and I'm not trying to be a "glass is half empty" kind of guy. But, to me, there are red flags all over this. His dad is a former D1 player from Pgh area who did not play at Pitt, transferred part way through his college career, played in Europe, came home to coach and seems to have intervened in some sort of an odd way with his son's academic and athletic career regarding 8th/9th grade to have him play for the team he coaches. Switching schools, playing in HS when you are in 8th grade, etc. strikes me as a parent as abnormal for a child. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see a lot of reasons to question whether he will ever end up at Pitt in this whole scenario. Dad seems a bit too invested in his son's career.

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  8. I don't care if he is 34 when he enrolls as long as he's legible and can play.

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  9. Chris,

    I heard Lacey visited. Do you think he is an impact player? What are the chances he transfers to Pitt?

    Thanks Fish

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  10. Didn't Terelle Pryor commit to Pitt as a HS freshman?

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    1. Sophmore year I believe.
      As did Herb Pope.
      However, JOTS had a major influence on Pryor and Pope. Rowan is different. Maverick may stick but hard to tell.
      My only issue would be, is Ron Rowan using Dixon to get his kid into a prep school (for free) that he couldn't do on his own??? only to change his mind later. We shall see.

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    2. They don't need Pitt to go to a prep school. Any prep school would kill to add him to their team.

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    3. Prep school? Isn't that usually for kids who need an extra year of HS to get their grades in order and get ready for college? The clock is ticking for this kid. He needs to be finding ways to get to college earlier, not later. Or, am I missing something?

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  11. On a funny note, since there's always talk about how Dixon and Chryst can't recruit, here's a story about a promise the #1 recruit in the country received from an unnamed coach.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/coach-tells-nation-top-football-recruit-ll-meet-212538419.html

    Good to see that the kid has at least some brains.

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  12. His age is a complete non-issue. He will be 19 when he enters college. And the chances are better than 50% that he will end up at Pitt.

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  13. I like the name "Maverick".
    Reminds me of "Pistol Pete" Maravich.
    Come to think of it, they both have similar games.

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    1. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Comparing him to Pistol Pete is a bit premature.

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    2. I like Maverick already.
      His birthday is July 14.
      Revis birthday is July 14.
      Joe D birthday is July 14.

      but the comparison of Mav to Pistol... Mav is a gunner. He doesn't play defense. lol

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    3. Ok. As long as you aren't comparing some kid that just finished his freshman year of HS to one of the greatest scorers of all time. I remember when Maverick's dad played for BF, then ND, then St. John's. He was a solid D1 player, nothing more. Looks like his son has a little more ability.

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  14. Chris: Please explain how well you think a backcourt of Robinson and Wright will fair in the guard-heavy ACC?

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    1. Pitt's team this year has big issues transitioning to the ACC, just as they would have had if they had remained in an intact Big East. I agree with you about guard play being a big time question mark. Equally concerning is their inside game if Uchebo is not good to go from Game 1. And, they don't have any outside shooting threats that we can count on. There is no one with experience that can take his man off the dribble to the hoop. But, they will work the clock on every possession, and they will probably play tough, grinding defense on the other end. I think we'll all see how good Adams was on defense last year when there is no threat of the blocked shot keeping opposing guards from driving the middle of the lane all year. It might not be pretty.

      Fortunately, Jamie has some studs coming, and maybe the new guys will have a bigger immediate impact than recruits of the past out of necessity. I like the type of recruits he is starting to target more than the ones he targeted in the past, for sure. They are going to need significant contributions from the newcomers if they are to threaten .500 in the conference.

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  15. Chris,

    Are you as worried as everyone else seems to be about Coach Chryst's second go around with recruiting? I'm trying not to be a glass half empty with him, but I'm less than impressed so far. Id love to know what you think about "Round 2" of PC recruiting.

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  16. Way too soon to make a definitive judgment. Pitt since 2003 (see Scout) has never had more than about 1-5 recruits committed by the first week in June.

    We will have a slightly better idea by early July when Pitt usually has historically had between 5-12 recruits committed.

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    1. Players have been committing earlier and earlier.
      That is the trend the last few years.
      I have never seen this many commits sooooo early in the recruiting process.
      You have to compare where Pitt stands versus other like teams and right now and the conclusion is Pitt is behind. No other way to sugarcoat that.

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  17. Is there any truth to the rumors of Robert Foster thinking of coming to pitt. I first heard this on rivals.com??? Would be nice especially since bama continues to stockpile 4 * wr's

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    1. You made me go look at the rivals Alabama page.

      Alabama must be the only rivals site that has an "eligibility tracker" page!!! lol Did Foster get thru NCAA clearinghouse?

      but I have no clue, probably some pom pom shakers wishful thinking.

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    2. He hasn't become eligible yet. He took some cyber classes that may or may not be approved.

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    3. Cyber classes? Are they the norm these days? What are the chances he doesn't become elgible?
      Slim to none.

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    4. To get through NCAA clearinghouse, it is a combination of GPA and SAT. It is a sliding scale.
      In 2016, it is tougher to qualify in year 1 to play.

      http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet.pdf

      Sounds like he is trying to get his GPA up and who knows how many times he has taken the SAT. Alabama knows how to get kids eligible in year 1 whereby Pitt will say go to a prep school.

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  18. He'll be 20 when he enters college in 3 years. He's Carl Krauser and Sam Young in terms of age.

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    1. He'll end up reclassifying and will be 19. It's not an issue at all.

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    2. BCT suggesting Rowan may go to Monteverde.
      Monteverde has one of the Top HS coaches in the country, Kevin Boyle. He was St.Pats of NJ coach for years and battle Hurley every year for tops in NJ and nation.
      Boyle put many players into the NBA and D1 schools.

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  19. Trying to stay on point, but the Foster mention above made me think that some of these kids that have committed for fall2013 have already transferred (i.e.Vanderdoes, ND to UCLA). Kids need film to get to the next level. IF this is not a rumor, it may help in the recruitment of QB Chryst and the OL, at least based on potential. The offense, based on potential, would look great beginning in 2014.

    With regard to "Top Gun" Maverick, I agree that re-classification is coming. Physically, he will be more developed than a true frosh which is typically the main reason for a redshirt anyway. So age wise too, he will fit in just fine. I am of the belief the kid reamins true to the commitment.

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  20. Something you likely did not know...

    Pitt recruit Jester Weah's remarkable success in track is partly due to advice he received from his soon to be Head Football Coach.

    Here's the story...

    http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/dennis_semrau/wiaa-state-track-field-weah-fountain-lead-memorial-to-third/article_b81b1aeb-18d1-53e0-b05e-b7ad2ea3240b.html

    PittofDreams

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    1. It's all about the speed baby.

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    2. Tx for the link PoD!

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  21. Oh, by the way... 10.7 in a State 100 Meter Final translates to... FASTER than FOSTER.

    PittofDreams

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    1. Everyone one wanted Foster, nobody really wanted Weah.

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    2. I'm a Celiac, does that mean I want Weah?!

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    3. to make things clear I'm a big believer in Jester...

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  22. If he can catch the ball, he is going to be a stud.

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    1. I agree. Let's wait and see if he can actually produce on the field, instead of just running in a straight line on a track.

      It's great that he's fast. Will that translate to being a successful D1 player? Time will tell.

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  23. Dokish, I get that coaches don't pay attention to star ratings, but
    is Pitt actually recruiting anyone with more than two stars?

    Seriously though, it's really hard to convince a kid that he should
    come to Pitt and that he can win big if the basis of your recruiting
    philosophy is to tell him to "take all your visits."

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    1. Let's see the season progress my friend and if Haley's Comet is on our side, Pitt will have a great/good/respectable year ;)

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  24. Dixon doing better on the recruiting trail than PC - Pitt's ranked 85th out of 100 teams. Wew. That just stinks. http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

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  25. any status of Sheldon Jeter?

    any status on if Dixon going to fill the 3 open scholarships by September?

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  26. @Ben - "taking all of your visits" approach builds credibility with parents and presumably with kids. Shows you want what's best for the kid, even if he ends up at a different place. Not a bad strategy. The better strategy is to successfully differentiate yourself from the other schools by knowing the depth chart, the established relationships, facilities, education, coaches history and of course, ability to get to the next level. Obrien is selling his nfl background with brady and the "it's us against the world" mentality and that these kids will forever be known as the ones who provided the framework for PSU on their way back to success.

    This is one area where Pitt fails under the Steve Pederson era. Pederson is polarizing to the ex-athletes. When a program falters, as Pitt's has, it is difficult to attach to successful alumni. Probably one of the most important "perception" obstacles that Pitt must overcome in the sell of the program. That is on Pederson. Secondly, the game day experience is terrible. Pitt needs to offer "FREE" tickets to the student body. The student body needs to put 7,000 -10,000 fannies in the seats every game. That is a failure on Pederson and his relationship with the student body. Pitt needs to do everything possible to get an on campus stadium. Pitt is in the ACC now. Look around to see who else uses pro stadiums and look at attendance. Miami is a prime example. At Miami, their stadium is more than half empty for non-rival games. Pitt needs to create an "experience". Again, lack of vision and strategic alignment with the universities goals and missions is clearly lacking and Pederson as a leader, fails.

    Personally, I don't care about stars. If you look at the first round picks this last year and others, most were ranked as three stars coming out of high school. Research the last several years and that is what you will find. Just facts. This is why I disagree with all the negativity surrounding PC and recruiting. Four and five stars allows everyone to puff out their chests, but it doesn't always equate to "W's" on the field. If anyone questions the talent on the Pitt tem over the last two years, please consult the NFL draft. There is a reason no Pitt player was drafted. It still amazes me that they won as many games as they did, with the lack of major talent they had....regardless of star rating coming out of high school.

    Step back from the ledges boys. PC has a strategy. Pederson does not. Nordy does not. If Pederson was gone, I would say we would be on the right road in 2-3 years. The problem is that Pederson is a huge obstacle for success in any of Pitts programs. Pitt baseball scheduled one of the weakest schedules in all of baseball in order to give a perception they could win and bolster Pederson to the BOT. What Pitt got, was a black eye for scheduling easy and a dose of reality when they played some real teams, late in the year. Sound familiar? That is how he also scheduled the BBall team, with the same results.

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    1. What flavor koolaid are you drinking?

      Too long of a post to address each item.
      Recruiting strategy is stupid... just admit it. Can you name a successful coach that does it?
      Regarding stars... just look at Alabama, LSU, etc. Yes, stars does equate to wins for the most part. In other words, there is a "strong correlation" if you ever took stats. I have tracked the last 10 years. Anyway, long story.

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    2. Talent,

      I also think that Chryst encouraging kids to take all their visits is OK. It shows that he's secure and confident in himself, and that he wants the recruit to make a fully informed decision, and commit to Pitt because it's the best choice for him.

      I'd rather have kids who are fully committed to Pitt instead of kids who waffle and hesitate after they commit.

      Finally, why is it necessary for some to accuse those they disagree with as "koolaid drinkers"? Just because they have a different opinion isn't a reason to accuse them of blindly believing in someone.

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    3. @Talent,

      Chryst and Company have proven that they can win by getting whatever 2- and 3-star players they can get, keeping them for 4-5 years, and developing them in Chryst's system. That's why Wisconsin was so successful despite never getting highly-rated recruiting classes.

      The problem though is that the best this approach seems to get you is the potential for a top-15 team and a BCS bowl (Wisky went to three straight Rose Bowls). But it doesn't get you a National Championship.

      Hence my concern; why take an approach that, quite frankly, has a ceiling not that much different than what the program had under Wannstedt? At Wisky, Chryst and Company didn't have a great base of talent. Pitt's different; there's plenty of elite talent in western PA (especially this year). For some reason, it's almost as if Chryst is purposefully looking past the elite talent in order to focus on the 2-star MAC athletes, and that's what's so frustrating. It's fine to offer those guys and go after them, but it shouldn't distract from the primary goal of aggressively going after the top talent.

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    4. Chryst has NOT shown he can win with those players. He's a head coach now, not an assistant. And this coaching staff isn't completely loaded with all of the same Wisconsin guys.

      Furthermore, this area, despite having diminished in quality AND quantity in the last few decades, still has a decent amount of talent. To consistently strike out on that talent is a continued embarrassment.

      It's even more embarrassing that PSU has the worst scandal in college football history and is BLOWING PITT AWAY on the recruiting trail.

      Chryst will prove to be the wrong hire in the long run, just like every single one of Pederson's hires.

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    5. You're right in that Chryst may turn out to be a bad hire. I wasn't thrilled when he was chosen, but let's give him a few years to see if he can win with the players he's going after.

      If he shows then that he's not winning, then let's move on to someone else, but let's give the guy a fair chance. I don't think one year is a big enough sample size to make a final judgment.

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    6. FWIW, Todd Graham, of all people, told recruits to take their visits also. And, from a recruiting ranking standpoint, Pitt was doing ok when he left (after a slow start also, I might add).

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  27. I am impressed with PSU recruiting in the face of sanctions.
    They now have 11 committs.
    3 - 4star
    7 - 3star
    1 - 2star
    The PSU 2014 class is currently ranked #15!!! Pitt is ranked #84.
    Now that is impressive recruiting by O'Brien's staff!!!

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  28. Alabama offers an opportunity to win championships right now. That is the sell. If you look at their last class, 85-90% of their kids, came from Alabama, with selective cherry picking for the rest. At one point, back in February, I noted that Foster wouldn't fit in and the signed class shows he won't.

    If he is struggling academically as suggested above, Pitt does present a viable option with support. Alabama will keep him for only as long as they can use him. Coach Chryst would actually care about his success. That is the difference in coaching staffs. One says he cares and means it. One will tell you anything just to get you to help him.

    PSU will finish with a class rank of about 32-36, due to the numbers. No need to panic. Envy is never a good trait.

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  29. PSU class is not impressive. Is is OK. OSU and Michigan's is impressive. PSU is doing pretty much what I expected and Pitt in the end will have a good class. the key is if Pitt can have four good classes, then that is the first time in quite awhile that that has happened. Depth, development and dedication with HCPC recruits will pay dividends.

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  30. Guaranteed mediocrity for next 5 years... How many more coaching searches can you bungle Stevie in that time?

    Doke, we need an update. Starting to think you are pulling a Zeise and not posting to shut Joe D up. Like the thinking but need your take as to how you and national folks feel about job Steve P is doing. did he deserve an extension?

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    1. I've written many anti-Pederson articles. I don't know how many more ways I can say that I think he has to go. I don't think everything he's done has been awful and he's actually done a lot of good things. But when so many of your alumni, fans, and ex-athletes hate your AD, and you don't give a damn, well, that's pretty much Pitt in a nutshell. They don't give a damn what anybody thinks. They are arrogant and clueless when it comes to athletics.

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    2. Pederson's job it to have a PROFITABLE Athletic Department.
      So, from that perspective, he has done a good job. Also, he had the foresight to know the Big East was going to blowup and landed Pitt in ACC. That alone gets you 5 more years.
      Now, when it comes to hiring coaches or holding coaches accountable, he fails.

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    3. The foresight to know the Big East was going to blowup? People have known that for decades. As for landing in the ACC, it's ludicrous that people give him such credit for that. Pitt is in the ACC because they have a big TV market. No matter who the AD was, Pitt would be in the ACC now.

      Everything Pederson has done is something other ADs could have done, but those other ADs probably wouldn't have the same baggage that he has.

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    4. Pitt is in the ACC because Gene DeFilippo vetoed adding UConn when Syracuse was invited.

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    5. I've never bought that story.

      You're trying to tell me that the majority of the other 11 ACC schools would have preferred UConn over Pitt, and then Boston College - repeat, Boston College! - alone had the power to block this?

      Sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test.

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    6. Have to agree Ether, BC was not and is not capable of blocking the admittance of a school to the ACC. UConn wasn't chosen for many reasons, including their lack of standing in education, a mediocre at best football program (I know you can say the same about Pitt)and the fact that their drawing card, mens hoops, is currently serving a penalty for recruiting violations.

      I know Mr. Lawrence will throw Louisville out there as to why were they accepted to the ACC, but that was in response to losing Maryland, not for expansion purposes. Pitt is actually an attractive institution for most major major conferences due to their educational and research standing, having decent to above average sports programs and quite honestly because they're clean from a sanctions/investigation standpoint.

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  31. After apparently failing to make the grade at Baltimore, there are reports that Tino Sunseri has signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

    Possible that Chryst who coached up north played a hand with helping Sunseri. If so... more power to him.

    Eventually the fact that Chryst is a true high character guy is going to pay dividends with recruiting... especially if he is able to defy the odds by putting up, say... eight wins or more in the fall.

    Personally, I'm rooting for Chryst keeping in mind that he was not Pederson's choice.

    PittofDreams

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  32. Chris, we are not a big TV market 22 out of 50 is not that big in my opinion. We are average. If that was the case don't you think we be in the Big Ten? Which I would rather be in

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    1. 22 is very high. Many major cities are below pittsburgh. And Pitt would get killed in the Big 10.

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    2. 22 is high. Pitt would not be in the Big 10 because the B1G doesn't need the Pittsburgh market. They already have it with the PSU viewership.

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    3. "Killed"? Woe is me! Pitt is already AT (or above) the level of several Big 10 football teams right now (see Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Minn., Iowa, Northwestern). A lot of rebuilding to do to catch up to the big boys, but far from impossible with the right leadership (not saying we have the right leader, but only time will tell).

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  33. I understand we would get killed in the Big 10 in football but we could hold our own in other sports plus we would still get the money that the B10 offers. I live in Chicago would love to see them more often out here

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    1. The university would put the extra money into the school rather than the sports. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but Pitt has shown no desire to have big time sports programs, no matter what they say.

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    2. Actually, I think it's the other way around.

      If Pitt has the right coach - big IF, obviously - I think Pitt football could be competitive in the Big Ten.

      The other sports? Unless Pitt football can seat 60,000+ plus every game while raising ticket prices and donation requirements, Pitt is very unlikely to have the money to spend on non-revenue sports that few people care about. Most of it would have to go to football and hoops. The other sports would probably be bottom feeders.

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  34. Chris, if you had your choice what conference would you pick - B10 or ACC? We live in a perfect world and the money would go back into the football program and base your decision on that. B10 all the way

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    1. If Pitt wanted to be like Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan than obviously I'd want to go to Big 10. But since they've shown no desire for that then the ACC is a good fit.

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    2. it is interesting that all three teams or at least two of them has had major violations hit the football program. I guess money is the root of all evil. I am glad that Pitt is not them for that reason.

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  35. His legacy will read that he led the university sports programs during their worst performing years, but they made a couple hundred thousand a year. The reason they are profitable has nothing to do with Pederson. The conferences negotiated the tv deals, not Pederson.

    I try not to agree with Doke because it is more fun for me if I don't, but must on this post. He had no foresight and didn't lead Pitt to the ACC. Pitt landed in the ACC under his watch, true. They landed in the ACC not because of him but in spite of him. Give me one example where Steve Pederson's programs and practices ae followed by a top 25 team and I will not say anything else negative about him. He is not a leader and barely qualifies as a follower.

    Finally, I am not anti-Pederson. I accept his shortcomings and just wish them on a MAC school.

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  36. Rumor that former Shady Side Acad player Reggie Mitchell is transfering from Wisconsin to Pitt.

    Mitchell was recruited by Rudolph to Wisconsin, and was penciled in to start at safety.

    thhttp://www.madtownbadgers.com/articles/football/reggie-mitchell-transferring-to-pitt-lewis-moving-to-secondary.htmlis fall (his RS Fr season).

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  37. Any info on the Greentree summer league for ProAm??
    I'll be in town 6/22 for several days and want to check out some games.

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  38. Jeter appeal denied.
    Albeit he can still go to Pitt, Jeter will have to "pay" his way. Not sure what financial aid he may qualify for or some "free money" as I call it whether it be for merit or leadership, etc.

    btw Dokes, some people are pointing at your tweets. I don't understand why because sooooo many people were talking about it that the first thing I said was tampering by Pitt.
    The rule of tampering is directly or indirectly by Pitt staff.

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    1. Some Vanderbilt blog singled me out but there were many people who talked about it before me, including Jeter's own father.

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  39. I had begun to lose faith in the gospel of The Doke after your handling of this frustrating basketball season and Jamie Dixon's coaching abilities, but you reconfirmed my faith in you when you wrote: "The university would put the extra money into the school rather than the sports. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but Pitt has shown no desire to have big time sports programs, no matter what they say."

    The expansion of UPM$$C is so much more important to Nordenberg than Pitt athletics. Pitt has made the top 66 or so teams in football and basketball this past season. Athlons picks the football team somewhere in the mid-50s or 60s. Dixon's team will be picked to finish six or seven in the ACC. We define "enhanced mediocrity." We may struggle of maintain that middling standard.

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    1. You're right; college football and basketball bragging rights are so much more important than cancer research.

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    2. Anony 8:44,
      Sports does help with enrollment. Ask Robert Morris what happened to applications after the Kentucky game.
      It's part of the college experience that many students look for when selecting a college.

      I didn't pick Pitt because of cancer research they were doing in some lab, that's for sure.

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    3. I don't disagree that Pitt would rather sink extra cash into the University than into athletics, which is perfectly within their right to do. But, you're example involving UPMC is wrong. UPMC, while called the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, is a completely independent corporation and has nothing to do with, and has no ties, to the University.

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    4. So big-time college sports programs that pump all their sports revenue right back into football without sharing any with the students get painted as villains, but if Pitt puts the money back into the university (i.e. facilities used by students and faculty every day), they get panned? Which way would you like to have it?

      Personally, I'd rather have my alma mater be on the front line of research and academia - things that could actually make a difference in the world. I can accept "enhanced mediocrity" for reasons like that. But hey, I'm a Pirates fan too, so maybe I'm just conditioned to accept losing :/

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  40. Chris, what is the latest on Chapman? Is he going to stick with Pitt? Is he on campus this summer for workouts?

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  41. UPMC is affliated with Pitt. Wherever you get your information, I suggest you look again. Chancellor Nordenberg has been very involved in the expansion of UPMC. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie.

    If Nordenberg would put half the energy he expends on that project into Pitt athletics, we would be a top ten team.

    And, yes, I'm interested in Pitt athletics, not cancer research, when I visit this blog. This blog is about athletics. Maybe you need to find another blog.

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  42. Robert Martin of Harrisburg commits to rutgers.
    #2 RB in PA.
    This is a classic example of being early to offer!!!
    Pitt offered on 5/13. Martin already had 13 offers. He was looking to stay nearby. Rutgers was first to offer on 2/13. WVU on 2/20.
    What took Pitt so long to offer someone in the state of PA???
    No brainer with this kid and need at RB.

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  43. It is interested to see Shai McKenzie top 5 is Florida State, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, and Virginia Tech. If he doesn't pick Pitt would like to see him go to Arkansas. I hate to go against him in the ACC. I like our chances of getting him

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  44. I think it will be FSU or Pitt.

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    1. What sideline will he be on come Labor Day?

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    2. If it's between FSU and Pitt...
      then expect Sal Sunseri to land Shai.
      Sal can out-recruit any coach at Pitt.... plus he has JJCosentino from CC helping to reel in Shai.

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  45. Chris -
    You mentioned on Twitter one of Pitt's top targets has been trying to undermine recruiting. Why would cause someone to do that?

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    1. Better yet, if a name is not going to be named, why even tweet that at all?

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    2. I said it because it explains why Pitt is having trouble. It's important.

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    3. And he's been able to get other kids to listen to him? I can understand someone wanting to torch a program that spurned them, but one that wanted him...that's another story.

      I can't imagine having a head coach without charisma really lets you offset that kind of poisoning the well.

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    4. He's not purposely trying to hurt Pitt. In fact, he is still considering Pitt. But he knows a lot of the prospects and he talks about Pitt like they are a second rate program. He told me personally what he says about Pitt and he tells me that other prospects now agree with him. He's very influential with them. On the bright side, if he decides he wants to go to Pitt then he may influence those same kids to join him. But early on he was pretty dismissive of the program.

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    5. Isn't it the job of Pitt's coaching staff to inform recruits why Pitt isn't a second-rate program? Being a second-rate program certainly hasn't hurt Stoops at Kentucky. They haven't had a winning record since 2009, they only won two games last year, and any reasonable person would by default assume that their only real purpose is to get creamed by the best of the SEC each year. Everything about them screams "second-rate", yet none of that has hurt Stoops or his ability to recruit.

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    6. Ben,
      Because Stoops can recruit!
      Ohio roots and ties to Florida!! What a combo.

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    7. I've got to wonder about the intelligence of a recruit who has such a low opinion of Pitt, and yet is still considering going there. And if he is considering going to Pitt, how smart is it to badmouth Pitt to other top prospects?

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  46. It's truly amazing that this staff is having such difficulty recruiting. Connections to the local are don't seem to matter. This is a strategic issue. I am from Harrisburg and Martin choosing Rutgers over Pitt is troubling to me. According to Coach Everett, Pitt offered and that was it. Pitt did little follow up while other schools were often in touch. Pitt really needs to change their methods because its not working.

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    1. Duh!!!
      You just now are figuring that out?

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    2. I tweeted that Pitt didn't recruit him as hard as Rutgers and the Harrisburg coach retweeted it. Very telling.

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  47. No question Pitt made some recruiting mistakes, but nothing new on someone local not looking a Pitt as a top program. If the other recruits are being swayed by this recruit, what does that say about them. Now that Pitt has some expected cash, maybe they can expand the recruiting base and make more aggressive offers outside the traditional recruiting area. Keep the local recruiting effort high, but Pitt needs to finally expand their efforts.

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    1. If they can't land recruits from the state of PA,
      do you really think going outside of PA will yield a different result??
      A wise man once said,
      "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result"

      If the recruiting strategy and tactics don't change, it doesn't matter what state Chryst and crew go to recruit!

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  48. Didn't say not recruit locally, just expand the offers and recruits from fertile areas. So what moves a recruit to commit is his scholarship given to another recruit. Recruits know they can wait on Pitt as Pitt is historically slow to fill out a class early. Pitt will have a good to decent class, but it is drip, drip, drip.

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    1. You can't look at history.
      The last 2-3 years, players (at least the top players) have been committing earlier.
      50% of the Rivals Top 250 have committed already.
      That never happened by June 15 before.

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  49. Chris, is keller Chryst going to make an official visit to pit or has het? That would be a great sign if he did

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  50. New recruit Williams at Nike Combine 4/13. Remember, he is a safety!

    40 - 4.99
    Shuttle - 4.60

    That is slow, slow, slow. He was a jumper on the track team. Typically, athletes become only jumpers because the lack speed. btw, he lacks leg strength based upon those jumps.
    http://ny.milesplit.com/athletes/3074662-jalen-williams

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  51. Pitt would not have offered if they didn't clock him at a lot faster 40 time than the 4.99 Nike time when he attended the Pitt invite camp. Bet on it! He may have been sick when at the Nike combine. Also, I just watched a highlight film on him--he appears to have decent (but not great) speed.

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  52. Look at it from the real angle for a minute. Is it telling that Shai trimmed his list to a top 5, the day after Martin chooses Rutgers. I don't think so. Martin looks at Pitt and their positioning with McKenzie and says his better opportunity to see the field is going to Rutgers, especially if McKenzie is in play with Pitt, which is true.

    Interesting that Grimm has been downgraded to a three star by the of the services. Not convinced they are correct, but perhaps that will get him to re-focus, make a commitment and go prove em wrong!

    Measurables are often misleading. A 4.4 forty from a cornerback that has trouble turning his hips and with little football iq, equates to a 5.0 forty in gametime speed. Sorry Joe, need to disagree with your analysis of just speed. Let the coaches figure that out, but would gladly debate the straight line speed versus all the other measurables. Route running, blocking and catching the ball is more important than running a 4.3 for a receiver. It's the totality of the measurables, just not speed.

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  53. Guess no one caught the Tyler Boyd Show?

    Good question for Chris... Has anyone ever dominated a Big 33 game as Boyd did yesterday?

    A man among boys would be an apt description. Not bad for a kid from a Class A school.

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    Boyd could play in any classification, said Pennsylvania coach Art Walker, who led North Allegheny to the Class AAAA title in December.

    “He could have played for or against anybody and excelled,” Walker said. “Pitt has got a weapon; we used him a bunch of different ways."

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    Hopefully, Paul Chryst will do the same come fall.

    By the way, Titus Howard and Matt Galambos also showed themselves to be playmakers.

    Big night for Pitt at the Big 33!

    PittofDreams

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    1. That was an amazing display put on by Boyd yesterday. Let's hope he continues to grow and develop and fulfills his potential. I think he'll be in good hands with Coach Chryst.

      By the way, here's a quote from Jalen Williams, Pitt's latest recruit about Chryst and staff, "When they were recruiting me, they weren’t arrogant about anything, they weren’t lying to me; they were being honest with me. They’re just a good staff".

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  54. Someone texted me that Kincaide committed to Akron.

    I was not impressed with Kincaide. Yes, he is tall but he didn't seem to have the leadership skills, athletism, etc to take over a game. He didn't do any camps due to injuries so it is difficult to determine if he is BCS level QB. Chapmen and Voytik at least did QB camps.

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