Random thoughts on the Pitt football and basketball programs
Ummmmmm make it stop.
How does this stuff keep happening??? Maybe there are other circumstances that we don't know about -- but if this all stems from yesterday and not running with the first team on day 1 of camp....then all I can think is....well I can't even type what I am thinking. Unreal. Talk about being a terrible teammate.I'll be honest, I don't see Pitt getting any of the prime targets on the list in the previous post. So many of these athletes are all about themselves and that's it. Well it's pretty obvious that an attitude like that isn't going to fly with Chryst.
Good thing Pederson got that nice big extension. Regardless of these guys could play or not, this is getting ridiculous. Most Pitt fans think SP got it right since Chryst lasted more than a season. Do we really need to go through their rap sheet?-Questionable recruiting- 2 month DC search- multiple transfersWannstedt is laughing every time he opens the paper.
This was a Wanny player. Just sayin'...
Pederson ruined Nebraska football and now he is doing the same to us. The program has lacked stability for years. This is like Groundhog Day......
Well, that sucks. However, it says a lot about Thomas that he was reportedly lacking motivation on the very first day of practice. And if this is how the kid responds to the coaches trying to send him a message...good riddance.
Unbelieveable.That is now 20 players in 12 months plus 2 on 1yr suspension and Chapman yet to know about.Where are those Chryst supporters now!!!5 win prediction for this season.Bring on the koolaid drinkers.
If a new police chief comes into town and the amount of arrests double, does that reflect on him? Or the people who came before him? Goes either waysmh smh smh smh smh smh as you say
But he is doing the right thing...He is bringing in players who want to be at Pitt. Give me a break!
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Joe D. Unless Pitt is a totally rogue program that would make Miami and the SEC schools blush, then Chryst is showing that he can't manage the difficult personalities that seem to be attached to the top talent.Hey guys, not everyone is Larry Fitzgerald who scores six and flips the ball to the ref.
So Thomas gets demoted to 2nd team on the first day of practice and his response is to quit. I'm having a hard time understanding how this is a poor reflection of the coaching staff and not the player himself?
anony 2:28Thomas has everything to do with what happened yesterday including Chryst comments to the media. It made all the papers, etc.Thomas does want to be at Pitt.
If he does want to be at PITT, why did he just quit the team?Actions > Words
I'll take the 5 wins.
I see a lot of people blaming Thomas but we have no idea what the circumstances are. The kid has been there for three years and I can't see him quitting over a one day demotion. There's more to it then that and for all we know, he was wronged. There does seem to be a lot of players who don't like how Chryst is doing things. Are they just babies? Perhaps. But we have to admit that it may also be that Chryst is handling these kids very badly.
I agree.Can't point at Thomas on this one.This is clearly on Chryst so it makes you wonder if Chryst is clueless on how to handle and manage ego's.Others such as Shell, etc had to go but even the koolaid drinkers thought Thomas was the best LB Pitt had. This one hurt more than any of the other 19 transfers/quit.
I agree that we don't know all the info. But you are solely blaming Chryst. Joe, come on. Wake up. This is what Street said about it "Some guys gotta go, and he wasn't on board so I can't do anything about it." If he thought PC mishandled TT, do you really think he would have responded this way? Seriously. We know you hate Chryst and we'll all agree that TT was a legit LB here, probably the best we had. But saying this is all the coach is BS.
Street is brown nosing Chryst these days.He is on the spotlight for NFL. Frankly, I don't think he gives a damn. If he were a leader, he would have been in Todd's ear well before it got to yesterday. That is leadership.Street is all talk these days and I haven't seen any leadership from him.
Do you know he didn't talk to TT? Didn't think so. That is reality.
That is a huge problem. This team has no leaders and they haven't had a leader in a long time. I think we lost more players than PSU and we don't have sanctions! There is something going on behind the scenes.. Makes you wonder what the real reason Fraud left town after one year.
Dokes I've said it all along. PC is unable to deal with the personalities of the elite athlete. It is becoming pretty apparent now when most of the elite players have left. This team will be relegated to average players with average results. This is no knock on PC, you either have it or you don't. That's why's so many great coordinators fail as head coaches.In three years we will be starting all over again unless the admin is happy with an average team and the field half full. Such a shame.....
He can't recruit them and he can't retain them. smh.He will be HC for 2014 but will be gone after that.
Joe D, What was Thomas' 40 time as he was running out the door?
Completely played out man. I've come to find Joe D to be pretty realistic. He doesn't assume everything is peachy just because he is a supporter. This program has been run into the ground since Pederson regained the reins. When Long was here the program was on the rise. Pederson has done NOTHING, but fail in every hire he has made. He should have made it abundantly clear that waiting two months to hire a DC from within was unacceptable. Instead he praised Chryst for promoting.
Thomas is one that I disagree with how it was handled as it was done so... so publically. So, it makes me wonder, what the hell is going on in the locker room. We are up to 20 quit/transfer/kicked off team in 12 months. That is a problem and its not just players not putting the work in ie. Shell.Pitt needs to get a major A$$ kicking on national tv to get the attention of the koolaid drinkers. Welcome to the ACc.I will be putting large some of money for FSU to easily cover the spread. FSU by 30 pts easy.
Everybody line up...Joe D is handing out Pitt +30.
Who wins PSU or Pitt when they play in a couple years?
Regarding PSU matchup.At this rate of defection, I'm not sure Pitt will have enough players to field a team!
The season is looking pretty bleak. A 2 or 3 win season would be a realistic expectation. The way or program is developing, I can't see any of the local top talent heading to Pitt...why would they.
I agree that Pederson is the biggest part of the problem. The only good hire that he has made so far is Jamie D, and Jamie wasn't even his first choice. To bad his buddy Nordenberg gave him an extension before announcing his own retirement. Anyway, let's hope that cooler heads will prevail and TT will stay with the team.
I guess Thomas just tweeted that he didn't quit. So, did he get kicked off or is he taking a leave of absence. It seemed from Chryst's comments that the door may be open for him to come back. Also, what big time players that Pitt has can't Chryst deal with? His best players, other than Shell, all stayed. Donald, Street, Hendricks, etc. You don't hear anything from them. All the other guys who left were backups at best. I watched Thomas and his mom confront the head coach of BF on the field at Heinz after they lost to Quip in AA Championship. He was a bit of a head-case back then.I'm not "drinking Kool-Aid" cause I'm worried as hell, but I want those couple of questions answered.
Dokes, I heard today from a friend that Thomas is headed to WVU. If this is so, does he even have eligibility after sitting out a year?
Let's see, Coach demotes player in practice to second team for one day. Player agrees it was for motivational purposes. Player does not come to practice next day and quits team. Everyone is blaming the coach. Huh? Talk about pandering to prima donnas! Suck it up Mr. Thomas!Maybe the next thing we should do is only call plays that said player likes during the game so he doesn't sulk?
I too heard from someone within the Todd Thomas family that he would be attempting to transfers to WVU. That would leave him with one year of eligibility left. A player has 10 semesters to complete their athletic eligibility
Makes sense of Todd Thomas to WVU.Todd and Rushel are related I believe.They are good friends.However, I think CalU because lots of kids from BF are at CalU and he could play for 2 years and not sit.
Steve did not hire Jamie Dixon..Marc Boehm did...check your notes
Thomas just tweeted that he's doing what's best for him and that he still loves Pitt.
Read on Scout forumRippy is ripping into Chryst.Ok.. maybe not exactly but he said there are reasons why players are leaving Pitt.
There are always "reasons" why players leave. Gotta be more specific
There is no better evidence in support of Chryst than a NTAC like Rippy whining about him on Twitter.
There's an old saying that pertains to relationships, but also here: "It doesn't work to play hard to get if you're hard to want."We've seen already that recruiting isn't exactly HCPC's strong suit. Jury's still out on his unique "We don't sell we just offer" approach.But that, coupled with what could be a serious personality flaw to where athletes don't want to be around him or their position coach or whomever? Even after they decide Pitt's it for them? I think that's a recipe for disaster.On a slightly different topic, I'm surprised that some of you don't blame Steve Pederson for causing global warming, West Nile virus, and village idiot Joe Biden getting elected as Veep.
Steve Pederson did not cause global warming! He could not since it really isn't a man-made phenomena.
Speaking of Steve Pete, is there any sport at Pitt that they are really good at? B-ball is very good but not great. Olympic sports are average. Even WVU has the rifle team, PSU wrestling and volleyball.
Men's hoops, wrestling, and baseball.And don't forget, we were national champs at ultimate Frisbee! hahaAs fans, nobody but nobody whines better than Panther Nation.
Pitt wrestling gets beat by edinboro. Baseball didn't even make the championships. You have low standards.
In mentioning Pederson, he spent five seasons in Nebraska after being fired in 2007. The football team was suffering the worst losses in team history. The chancellor also noted declining morale and Pederson's management style as more reason to support the firing. It's quite telling when you read the archived reports. Sounds just like the place we are at and have been.
As the athletic director, your job is to oversee all athletic programs and if need be intervene. Not only did Pederson botch not one but two hires in football, but he also hired a guy with no head coaching experience who never was hired as a head coach despite interviewing at numerous universities. Look, in my opinion the jury is still out on Coach Chryst. There are some things I like about him, and things I don't like. Regardless, Pederson should step in at some point and find out why all these players want out of Pitt. Same goes with the basketball team in recent years. Pitt went from a perennial tournament team to a team that might make the tournament. This all under the watch of Pederson. I know I've said it before, but at its current state, Pitt isn't anything more than a MAC school.
None of us, except the parties involved, know for sure why he's made this decision. Maybe the kid's not adjusting well to Chryst's style or has maturity issues, or Chryst was too heavy-handed with him, or a combination of both. However, it hardly seems coincidental that he leaves a day after being demoted to second team. That would seemingly put most of this on the player.I wasn't a fan of the Chryst hire, but he is trying to instill discipline that some players, especially those with pedigree, may not like. Whether his methods will work is still an open question.Finally, this talk of "kool-aid drinkers" is particularly annoying. To me, someone who's lost their objectivity qualifies as a kool-aid drinker. Whether you're a non-stop Chryst basher, or an unquestioning loyalist, you're a kool-aid drinker. You're just drinking from different pitchers.So before you call others "kool-aid drinkers", you may want to look in the mirror.
VERY well said. I thoroughly applaud your insightful comment.
Thomas was a playmaker and he did bring the wood (as stated earlier). The problem was that he was freelancing much of the time. I have heard from a number of people within the organization that he was unable to, or unwilling to learn his proper assignments. He made plays, sure, but there were many times when he was out of position and hoping others would take care of his assignments. (Take this info with a grain of salt as it is now third hand.)
Well it is time for someone to get to the bottom of all this. A starter, and one of your best players, leaves after camp has started is alarming. I don't care about those other "might make a contribution" players but starters at this time of year is saying something. I just spit out my kool-aid dUbb
that was quick, reports say he is coming back as of 8/8/13 12:07
Good news. Probably a case of being young and overreacting to the situation. Today's kids are coddled too much. But good for TT and good for PITTdubb
Ohh boy....that's not gonna make the haters happy...
Crazy to see the koolaid drinkers be haters of Thomas then welcome him back with open arms within a 24 hour period.smh
What's even crazier are people who rushed to judgment and bashed Coach Chryst....just sayin.....smh
Looks like shai mcKenzie is heading to VaTech. That' s a shame because of the opportunity he has to start at Pitt.
If I were advising Shai,I would tell him not to go to Pitt if he wants to go to the NFL. Too much drama. I believe FSU pull his scholarship.
What kind of a "Fan" makes a comment like this??? See Mike B comment above...
I would guess it takes less than one finger to count the number of people who consider Joe D an "advisor".
Joe,So you are saying basically that VT has a better "bloodline" of producing NFL running backs than Pitt? Seriously???
Joe D the "Know Everything" insider on the WPIAL and Pitt who lives in New Jersey. Give me a dang break, how anyone gives him props for anything is beyond comprehension
Well, to be honest.I did tell Peep Short (Quip DC) regarding Henry back in June that Henry shouldn't go to Pitt if he wants to go to the NFL due to poor/newbie D-coaches, poor recruiting, etc.
Say want you want but most of what JoeD said early on is coming true. I like JoeD's comments at least he's not drinking the Kool-aid........
You made a comment to Peep Short. Peep is a straight shooter so if Peep feel that a team is not gonna coach his players well, he is gonna let the kids know where he feels the best option is for them when it comes to schemes and style of play.Pitt will show it's mettle this year or will burn themselves even deeper with the 2014 recruiting class. Once December hits, we'll have a much better outlook on how well or horrible this Pitt coaching staff is.
Anonymous at 5:40 pm, (most likely Joe D) You're right, Joe D isn't drinking Kool-Aid. It'd have to be something a lot stronger to explain his lame, moronic comments. As Mike B correctly writes, if you're always bashing Chryst, you're just drinking a different kind of Kool-Aid.
Patrick,Anony 5:40 wasn't me.I have the cahones to put my name on my postings.
" Whether you're a non-stop Chryst basher, or an unquestioning loyalist, you're a kool-aid drinker. You're just drinking from different pitchers."Mike B - line of the day.
Joe D.,To say that the DB coaches at Pitt can't coach is not one of your brighter comments. They have to mid-round (at least) draft picks in Hendricks and Pitts. We don't know what they can do. But DB is a strength of this team. If you want to get on the recruiting, fine, but coaching is still way up in the air. I agree with a lot of what you say but not on this.
Joe D's comments regarding Shai and Henry remind me of a line from "The Caine Mutiny" where Jose Ferrer says to Van Johnson, "Which is it, are you a fool or a mutineer?" "There's not a third possibility."Only a fool or a mutineer would suggest to coaches that top recruits go somewhere other than Pitt (assuming it even happened). Why would a "fan" of a program do such a thing? Either he's foolish, or he isn't really a fan of the program.My suspicion is that for all his bluster about rooting for Pitt, he's actually a troll who gets a kick out of getting under people's skin.
Actually, he's completely destroyed any credibility he has.Joe D claims to be a fan, yet he (allegedly) tells a player's coach to steer the kid away from Pitt.Now - while I do find the scenario rather unlikely - if said coach takes that advice and said player also does and goes to another school, we all know that Joe D will be the first one here telling us how Chryst is clueless, can't recruit, etc.. even though it would be apparent that Joe D himself had far more to do with the decision than Chryst.It's almost as if he want Pitt to fail, so he can come on here and tell us how right he was right about it. Pathetic.
I agree w/ you OriginalEther - Joe D has a very definite agenda and why Dokish allows him to continually put down Pitt in a public forum where recruits can see is hard to fathom.
My loyalties are first with Aliquippa kids doing well.That is ahead of the Pitt football team doing well by leaps and bounds.btw, wpial insider is saying nobody from Pitt staff has contacted Henry since late June. I think early July is when they pulled the offer to Fields. I guess that's my fault also.
Or he just cares about the kid's future and doesn't think Pitt is the better place to make the nfl. You act like he is making the choice for the kid.People need to stop being personal. Joe D can be annoying sometimes but he doesn't attack people.
Yes, I want Chryst replaced.After his debacle with Todd Thomas, that was the last straw.Reminds me of Fazio and Hackett.If you recall, I liked Todd Graham initially. But, by the time August summer camp started, I was calling him a snake oil salesman and full of crap. Including bashing his wife for acting like a coach herself. I took lots of heat for that one but I was ahead of the curve.Same with Rushel Shell, I've called him the next Marcus Dupree since he was in 11th grade. I got a lot of heat for that one. I said he was slow. Everyone said, look at the tape. I said, wpial is slow. 1st game, all of a sudden the koolaid drinkers said, wow, Shell is not that fast afterall. Took lots of heat on my Rushel Shell comments. Again, I was ahead of the curve.
Good grief, get over yourself Joe. You act as if you had some special insight that no one else had. Your buffoonery and self-important nonsense knows no bounds.And what a shock that your wanting the best for Aliquippa kids in is direct conflict with Pitt's interest. We know there's an agenda behind everything you wrote. Boo hoo...poor Joe D. He's not being personally attacked, what he writes is being attacked, as it should be.
Excellent point OriginalEther. In the remote chance that Joe D actually had any influence (which I'm sure doesn't exist), and actually was able to steer kids away from Pitt, he'd be the first one to then complain about Pitt's recruiting.The sad part is, in his mind he probably does think he has influence. Thankfully, I'm sure any coach would ignore anything he'd have to say.
Actually the offensive and defensive lines are the strengths of the team. The defensive backs return the most but the unit as a whole was not coached very well. House is now the defensive coordinator, so he has a lot to prove. The jury will be out on House.
Abe make a counter argument, don't just say buffoon or nonsense. Tell me why he is wrong or you are no better.
Anon at 12:02....I'm not going to make a counter argument to Joe D's ramblings. My point was that he acts as if he was the only person who had these insights, that he's "ahead of the curve", and others are just trying to catch up to him.If you've read this blog at all, you'd know that many, if not most people think of Joe D in a negative light, and take almost nothing he writes seriously.
Moody, if Pitt recruits are basing their choice of college by the comment section on this site then they won't be able to handle d-1 football.
Peep is a straight shooter so if Peep feel that a team is not gonna coach his players well, he is gonna let the kids know where he feels the best option is for them when it comes to schemes and style of play.Joe D needs to get out more. He is so wrong on so many counts. You throw names around as if you have any pull. If you really knew Peep Short in his days at Pitt, you would know he is hardly a straight shooter.
I know Peep way back to his HS days.Someone taught me how to lookup twitter. This is a retweet by Henry. Guess that's my fault also.Law School Hill @LawSchoolHill 8 Aug@Dravon_6 Pitt has had 23 players leave since Chyrst started, and look for more to go. Not a good situation over there #ComeHometoWVURetweeted by Dravon Henry
Anony 11:24,I know Peep from his days in HS and Pitt!!btw, someone taught me how to lookup twitter.Below is a Retweet by Henry. Guess thats my fault also.Law School Hill @LawSchoolHill 8 Aug@Dravon_6 Pitt has had 23 players leave since Chyrst started, and look for more to go. Not a good situation over there #ComeHometoWVURetweeted by Dravon Henry
Joe did you see chris's tweet about Henry?
For those that didn't its been reported that Henry tried to call Pitt back three times since June and nobody answered.
I don't do twitter, but have been shown how to look someone up on twitter.I'm sure Pitt football offices have "caller id" and "voice mail".Also surprised not calling a coaches cellphone.smhNow to all you koolaid drinkers, is that how your recruit elite players let alone elite players in your backyard.Last I heard of contact, Henry and others visited Pitt in June sometime. Also, Lasala was at the Revis camp which Henry was at also which was June.
And you people think I'm nuts wanting to replace Chryst.Totally inexcusable.
That report on Henry was from 247 by the way.
Chris,You need to talk to Chris Peak on Rivals. He has said numerous times that the coaches CANNOT call recruits during the summer even to call the recruit back. I believe 247 doesn't have all the facts.
Anony 3:49.A recruit can initiate the call and can talk to coaches any time of the year. Jun 1 to July 31 is quiet period but Pitt had prospect camps. yeh, I bet those players couldn't get a hold of pitt coaches either!!So, are you now saying, Pitt doesn't have a secretary answer the phone so they can forward to coaches cellphone?orDravon Henry doesn't have any position coaches cell phone?orPosition coaches are not allowed to use cellphonesany of the above are stupid excuses ya know.Clueless, anal-retentive, control-freak Chryst is the reason.
Anonymous, a simple google search would show you immediately that that's not true.
The more that I think about this, the more I think the coaches are ratcheting things up for the move to the ACC. This isn't Big East football anymore, and the old way won't cut it. I don't pretend to know what's happening behind the scenes, but it seems to me that the players are bristling at a more strenuous regimine.
smh,Dokes, I read your twitter.You need to put out a column on these new staff assignments.Rudolph in charge of RB's. Is he still OC?Now they won't be able to recruit TE's or RB's due to position coach inexperience.
Rudolph is still the OC. Now they have two grad assistants coaching a position. No idea what's going on with them. They appear to be making desperation moves to right the ship.
complete amateur hour, its ridiculous.I cannot believe they hired Matt House as DC; im sure he would a fine position coach, but he may not be ready for this.....same goes for PC..he may never be HC material, and thats ok.Crappy part is that i cant even say 'get rid of him' due to recent coaching instability and program flux.We are screwed to be honest. PC is a X/O guy.
I'm so tired of hearing excuses for these coaches and all the issues Pitt has gone thru over the past few years. Simply look next door to Ohio State. A new coach after the previous coach was fired amid all kinds of accusations. At the time the program was reeling. Enter Meyer. New coaches, new scheme will the team buy into all this. The answer -12-0 first season. What's the difference better athletes better coaches maybe...I love Pitt and suffered with them ever since Sherrill left but this program has flatlined. I see nothing to indicate an upward swing. Why must we always wait to see if the players buy into the system, let the coaches get some experience and then a 5-7 or 6-6 season. I think Pitt fans have been conditioned over the years and come to accept middle of the road team......
Like high gas prices. They wear on you until you just accept it and stop complaining. I would say the "amateur hour" comment is spot on. This is like Pirates baseball in 2012. Every day something new comes out that makes you wonder if those in charge really have a clue. Face it, Pitt isn't going to spend the money and they are more content getting a coach who won't be so quick to leave. 6-6 teams might be the norm (if we are lucky). The fact that Pitt didn't answer the calls to a big time recruit is just mind blowing. This stuff is great for you blog owners. The traffic to the sites has to be insane
There are absolutely huge problems in the football program right now, but it's silly to compare Pitt to Ohio State. The Buckeyes have been one of the premier programs in college football for a sustained period of time, have a much bigger alumni base, and more money. If our boosters and administrators were willing to pay for an Urban Meyer, I but we could do pretty well on the field too.
I really think the rules of not calling a player is dumb, but they are the rules and Pitt to their credit follow the rules. So If PSU coach just happened to make contact, I would consider the integrity of the coaches in the program as a red flag. OSU is at another level than Pitt not going there. Oh by the way, I really don't care if Pitt gets another kid from the Quips. Let them go elsewhere and see how much fun that is to have family and supporters grow tired of driving three hours in traffic or paying 300 dollars for a hotel, plus food and travel costs back and forth. But go ahead and think the grass is greener. Pitt will be fine.
You have a convinced me! Chryst and staff must be fired immediately!!!!! Enough of excuses!!!!
Why don't you all go root for Alabama, Pitt will cannot and will not compete at the level you expect. They will not break the rules you have to now. Just accept it and move on. They could go 0-12 and Chryst will not be fired.