Friday, August 23, 2013

Travon Chapman dismissed from the team

Tavon Chapman has been dismissed from the team after spending a few days in jail for assaulting a woman.  To me, this is the right call.  You can't have different rules for a promising quarterback.  If this is the road that Pitt wants to go down then they have to go all the way.

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  1. Agree on the call. Do you think PC will go after a juco or go with Voytik, Anderson and the two commits?

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  2. As painful as this is, I agree it was the right call. But before people start attack PC, this edict came from the administration. That is a fact. As you stated Chris, you have to go all the way with it

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  3. why did this decision take so long?
    krf

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  4. If this is the road that Pitt should take..... it should be the road that all NCAA sports should take. Why didn't Pitt take this stand with Wanny? Sounds like PC is setting the standard high. The admin better give a long rope when in the future the team is not winning as much as the should. Maybe this is why their recruiting is looking a little different with high character guys with less stars.

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  5. The decision should have been made long ago.

    They screwed Chapman twice.
    With classes starting at just about every college next week, he doesn't have enough time to find a school much less enroll. So, he can't practice in the fall nor do any conditioning.
    That is bad. Pitt should have made this decision months ago therefore Chapman had enough time to find a team, school, etc.

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    1. They screwed Chapman? Seriously? Chapman should have thought about his own future when he did what he did.

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  6. Sad, but necessary.

    Chapman out of the picture means Chryst will have to jump into the JC QB market.

    Voytik deserves his chance to show if he's a winner. But the difficulties he continues to have when it comes to throwing the football suggest he's not exactly the prototypical quarterback to run Chryst's offense... let alone worthy of all the hype surrounding him when he came in.

    PittofDreams

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    1. Pitt is very, very please with Voytik but if he goes down next year them Pitt could be in big trouble.

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    2. Chris, do you think they will try to bring in another transfer QB for next year for backup?

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    3. Voytik is doing well and they are very confident that he can get the job done next season, but obviously if he gets hurt they need somebody to step in. Unless it's a top JC I don't see a JC being good enough to start, and a top JC won't come here with Voytik starting. So hopefully they get lucky with some kind of graduate transfer. A season with Trey Anderson or a true freshman would be the kiss of death for Chryst.

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    4. That would be an absolute train wreck. If Pitt somehow does not improve this year, Voytik breaks his leg against Delaware and they only win a few games next year behind Trey. That's about the perfect storm to get HCPC fired before his 4th season.

      I really hope that doesn't happen though. Pitt could use a few breaks to go its way after getting the shaft repeatedly in recent history.

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    5. Well, Wannstedt was given a mulligan after season 3 due to Stull getting hurt, so I would think if the above situation happened to Chryst, he'd get one too. Especially the decision to dismiss Chapman came from the administration.

      Otherwise, the next coaching search will be a complete disaster thanks to the self-imposed handcuffs Pitt gave itself.

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    6. I meant the kiss of death for Chryst as far as the season. I'm not implying that he would be fired. He's not going anywhere for at least three more years.

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  7. Pitt owes Chapman nothing. He screwed up not Pitt. It is like sitting out a year so no other team gets him. Great move on Pitt's part. Now he has more time to think about what he did and get his life in order.

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  8. Chapman made a very bad mistake in putting his hands on a woman, and is now reaping what he sowed. It's one of the worst things a guy can do. This is a very tough, but necessary lesson for him. The actions we take have consequences, sometimes very harsh ones.

    From what I'm hearing, this came from Chancellor Nordenberg. I think it's the correct call, and is consistent with what was done in the Haywood situation, although this did take a good bit of time to play out.

    Hopefully, Chapman gets it together and matures into a productive and responsible person.

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  9. The final decision was Nordenberg's. He had visions of the National Organization for Women protesting in front of the Cathedral of Learning. He said no thanks...

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  10. Storm Klein nearly broke his girlfriend's jaw and accepted a plea deal served a 2-game suspension at Ohio State.

    Will someone please explain the difference?

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    1. Sure. One school wants to win at no cost and one doesn't. When Pitt was excellent they had a lot of criminals who were stars. They don't play that way anymore.

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    2. Also, each circumstance stands on its own merits. The Administration missed this one in my opinion. If they are going to tow the line on all misconduct, however slight, they will continue to turn over the roster and never move forward athletically. Perhaps this is what they want and the few fans that are left will leave.

      I recently spoke to an AD friend of mine in the Big10 and they continue to hope Pitt goes down this road to athletic ruin as they will pick off the best talent in WPA at least for the next 2-3 years. At that point, he believes Paul Chryst will move and put the program back in turmoil. I can't disagree with that thinking at all. He said every program, even Stanford has these types of issues, but when it happens at Pitt, they think they got it going on and are above it when in reality the joke is on the administration and the fans. Just sayin people. Wake up and kick the administration to the curb before it's too late.

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    3. Let me see... heroine sales from an apartment... assaulting and holding captive a young woman.

      Ya,I can see how these reflect an unbending attitude toward offenses commmitted by student athletes "however slight" they may be.

      If this signals that Pitt Admin "think they got it going on and are above it..." then I am all in.

      I'm sure an AD in the Big10 views these offenses as "slight."

      Could you pass on his name?

      PittofDreams

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    4. The charges were dropped against Klein, so in OSU's eyes it was as if nothing happened.

      I don't blame Pitt for it decision, but I agree the process strung out too long. Chapman, regardless of what he did, deserved time to find a new school and settle in. Now he has to scramble. He shouldn't have to scramble despite what he did. Chapman did his jail time and should have had ample time after to find a new school. Some people seem glad that he's in this situation. Makes them feel better when they wake up today.

      It's becoming a joke at how Pitt is handling these disciplinary problems. KK, Williams and Carswell passed the drug test applied to them after their friend was arrested. Were the two kicked out of school for being friends with a bad dude while KK was suspended for an entire season for being at the scene? Explain how those punishments were warranted? Some of you are going to be awfully proud of your football team when its posting 4-8, 5-7 records the right way.

      The positive is this Chapman situation has no bearing on the 2013 season. The worry is 2014 ends up like 2007 with the lack of QBs. This staff thumbs its nose at JuCos, so the fans will have to hope a fifth-year guy is brought in. Chryst might soon be known as the coach to play for as a fifth-year senior.

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    5. 30 years of mediocre football is not enough. We are going back to the Hackett years, with a clueless head coach, and now a team made up of Mac level recruits who must be choir boys to stay around.

      Those teams of Majors 1 and Sherrill had more than their fair share of bad boys and rule violations back then, but they won.

      Welcome to the new normal, where a 5 win season is a success as long as no one gets arrested

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    6. pitts 3 best current players had crap offer sheets. Hendricks, street, Donald. so did a lot of the most promising freshman. galambos, Roberts, conner, carson baker, titus howard, terrish webb, and soto in addition to boyd and Johnson who were highly recruited. I don't know why its so hard to understand that the guys who rate these players aren't much more qualified to do so than you and I.

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    7. The difference is that one of the schools cares only about winning football games. Their now retiring Pres. said he hoped the former coach would not fire him when that coach embarrassed the school with many sanctions and violations.

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    8. The charges were not dropped - it was a plea deal. Do you not know the difference?

      The girl (ex-cheerleader) nearly had her jaw broke. Nothing happened? Really?

      Then Urban Meyer got up and lied in a press conference saying it was a deal worked out with the parents. I know the parents - they were never contacted by that scum bag.

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  11. Chris, did Pitt not want Chandler Kinkade? Could he have done better than Akron?

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    1. He might improve as a senior but he's not a high major prospect as of now.

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  12. Chris please stop telling us about fools gold. Voytik is a run and shoot QB trying to run a pro style offense. Its not going to work. You will be proven wrong on this one.

    Is Pitt down to there 4th RB now? Shell...Bennett...Connor...who's next?

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  13. Chris please explain how Pitt can beat FSU.

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    1. If Pitt manages to score more points than Florida State, then they can, and will, beat them. Simple, really.

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  14. Pitt went down this road before, it was called the Hackett era. Back to the future, again.

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  15. Pitt will never come close to beating FSU. They have two great running backs and both re way better than our first string back. I want more than anything for us to win but I'm being realistic.

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    1. LeSean McCoy and LaRod Stephens-Howling were clearly better than anything Bowling Green had.

      Just saying....

      Obviously, I'm not calling for a Pitt victory, but things happen, especially early on in the season. And a lot of Florida State fans are nervous about the game.

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  16. Chapman screwed up and admitted his mistake. His mistake was an ATTEMPTED assault. Seems like many individuals have reading problems.

    To turn on Chapman is to run off Chryst. I can't imagine he is going to put up with much more interference from Pederson who is a terrible A.D. and a liar.

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    1. Huh? He went to jail dude

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    2. It wasn't 'Attempted'
      That was the plea deal which is typical to plea to a lessor charge. The girl had bruises on her face and neck.

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    3. "Chapman screwed up and admitted his mistake. His mistake was an ATTEMPTED assault. Seems like many individuals have reading problems.

      To turn on Chapman is to run off Chryst. I can't imagine he is going to put up with much more interference from Pederson who is a terrible A.D. and a liar."

      You need to keep up... First of all he pled to a lesser charge. He did assault the woman. Secondly it wasn't Pederson's call, it was Norenberg who made the final call.

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    4. You don't serve jail time for "attempted" assault, whatever that means!

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    5. Tony - I'm not sure why you think the AD made this decision. I've actually read a lot about this and everything out there suggests that either the Chancellor made the call or that HCPC, the AD and the Chancellor worked on it together.

      Its been written and said in a lot of places the HCPC has a long leash and has been assured that he will be given plenty of time to develop the program.

      The facts though...if they matter to you...is that both the Board of Trustees and the Administration were horrified by the Sports Illustrated article and have made running a clean program without players that get in trouble a top priority.

      Do you think for one moment that HCPC was not aware of this when he signed up?

      Sorry, but from everything I read, it looks like they are all on the same page.

      JLawrence

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    6. The most likely version of events is that Chryst agreed with Pedersen and Nordenberg that Chapman needed to be dismissed.

      Putting your hands on a young woman to the point where she is physically and emotionally harmed and you get arrested does not sound like something you just apologize for and it never happens again. It sounds to me like something a guy does only if he does not have control over his actions. You can say all the right things about being sorry, but to do something like this is a pretty bad sign of a lack of self-control. They were right to dismiss him before other incidents occurred.

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  17. Pitt is not beating FSU. There is excitement in the air with the season starting, but that will quickly fade when FSU scores two quick TDs and reality sets in.

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  18. Honestly I don't get why everyone keeps beating Voytik down, he's a redshirt freshman and by all accounts is doing very well. The kid is a leader on the team he has a certain moxy that many kids just don't have.

    He passed for 350 some yards in the spring game and only missed 6 passes not to mention the fact that he is mobile in the pocket and always, and I can't stress this enough keeps his eyes down the field.

    The people that bash him for no reason need to watch a lite more closely

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  19. I don't think Pitt will be FSU, but I am still excited for the game. It is the most interesting opening game in years, and sets a good tone for life in the ACC. They can lose the game and still have a successful season.

    I've got some friends on Florida flying up for the game. As FSU fans, they are also excited about it and they feel the ACC is getting better with these moves. Granted, they also don't feel a ton of threat from Pitt or Cuse, but they still are glad to have them.

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  20. I keeping with the spirit of criminal behavior, anyone else glad Savon Goodman chose UNLV over pitt for hoops now that he faces a double felony charge for stealing and cannot play this year?
    Didn't we see this game before with Fred Primus?

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  21. According to DiPaola's interview on The Fan, Chapman did not choke the girl nor did she have any marks. However, he did grab her violently.

    Pitt was forced to let him go under the circumstances, no doubt, but it was a decision that could have and should have been made a month ago.

    It seems to me that the delay was probably due to the fact that PC lobbied hard to retain him. If he wanted PC out, it would have been done a long time ago. (Seems like PC may not be the major disciplinarian with his own recruits

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    1. During that same interview, it was suggested that the delay related to some sort of "litmus test" that HCPC would conduct and that Chapman failed it.

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    2. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

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    3. What is a "litmus test" in this case?

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    4. Chris,

      Are you aware of what the litmus test was for Chapman? If so, can you share it?

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  22. Chris - Is Polk or Vandy closer to Pittsburgh? Didn't Jeter wanna be close to home?

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  23. Sources tell me Chryst wanted to keep Chapman despite the jail time. Nordy told him I run the show.

    A little birdie told me its because Chryst has little to no faith privately in Voytik.

    He wants to win just like anyone else. His decisions are no different.

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    1. Voytik was "NOT" Chryst's recruit.
      He was a Graham holdover.
      That is why.
      I see lots of players not recruited by Chryst leaving after the season unless they are starters.

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    2. Uh, hasn't that already happened?

      Aside from Trey Anderson, who's left that fits the bill?

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    3. Your little birdie needs his little beak busted... The coaches were pleasantly surprised by Voytik's perfomance this past spring and nothing he has done since has changed their mind.

      Get a new bird...

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    4. I hear that a BCS player is planning on transfering to Pitt tomorrow. Any names?

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    5. anony 9:15, I haven't seen or heard anything related to that yet. have you heard anything else on the matter?

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  24. Your birdie is full of it regarding Voytik - I know someone too and there's zero concern about him at least at this point.

    Birdsh!t or bullsh!t - whatever it is, your little birdie is full of it.

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    1. Two Pitt coaches who are perfectly honest with me when it comes to player evaluations told me just last week that they are very happy with Voytik.

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    2. Can u share anymore details on the "litmus test"?

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    3. I honestly don't know the exact specifics. That's something that even sources wouldn't say in detail.

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    4. Seriously Chris, how would it go if coaches were willing to say anything but positive about a player being counted on to help move the program forward?

      If they're "very happy" with Voytik's progress at this point after two years of Chryst tutelage, imagine how they would be if he were consistently tearing it up in practice.

      Ecstatic is one descript that comes to mind? Playing time would be another.

      PittofDreams

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    5. There's a difference between what coaches say publicly and what they say privately, as long as they trust you. I have had coaches tell me in the past when they think a kid is not good enough to be at Pitt. Not long after, those same kids are gone. And I'm telling you they like Voytik. Why wouldn't they? He's done nothing to make them think otherwise.

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    6. Thanks for the response.

      PittofDreams

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    7. By the way, I'm not saying that Voytik will be successful. Just that right now Pitt thinks he can be. They may be wrong for all we know.

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    8. I'll give my two sense on why they like him:

      - he's a leader. Those with good memories will recall how he behaved during the whole coaching change fiasco.
      - good work ethic, leading by example
      - good student... Pre-Med
      - good citizen ... You aren't going to see his name or picture in paper for the wrong reasons.
      - loyal

      ...and he wants to be there very much.

      I believe it's that simple.

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    9. Notice that nowhere do you include he has a lightening quick release and rocket arm.

      Agree that Voytik is a good kid with smarts.

      Typically, they make good backups.

      PittofDreams

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    10. Voytik's arm is stronger than average and his quick release was cited by Trent Dilfer who knows a thing or two about quarterbacks.

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    11. Chris,

      I only know what my eyes tell me.

      We'll see if I'm wrong.

      PittofDreams

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  25. Rumors out there about some BCS transfer to Pitt this week.
    Anything?
    QB?

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    1. The rumor (on Pantherlair) is the Maryland QB who went to Central Catholic and played some as a freshman last year before getting hurt. Forget his name.

      supposedly Randy Edsall may try to block it, even though by the time he's eligible, Maryland will be in the Big 10.

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    2. Perry Hills.
      He had an ACL injury last year. Was a frosh starter for like 6 games before the injury.
      He is probably still recovering from ACL. Listed as #4 on Maryland depth chart.

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  26. If true, let's hope his skill set is closer to a certain former Central Catholic QB named Marino than the former Central Catholic QB named Sunseri....

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  27. Didn't we just go over how its time to move on? Almost made it a whole two weeks without trashing the kid huh? Again... Let....it.....go....

    Imma Man! Im 40!August 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM
    You forgot a biggie, addition by subtraction: nary a mention of Tino Sunseri, who Thank All that Is Holy, finally exhausted his college eligibility!

    He can no longer dupe a seemingly endless series of college coaches to play him in games -- where composure matters -- based on his performace in practice (where nobody was trying to rip his head off and slobber down his neck hole).

    ABT!

    H2P!

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    AnonymousAugust 17, 2013 at 6:12 PM
    Good grief it's time to let it go and move on. We all know what you think about Tino and his underwhelming career. This blog post is about the current group of players. If you wish to continue to discuss Tino you should take it to a Saskatchewan Roughriders blog.

    -BostonsCommon

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    1. Reply to BostonsCommon's "Didn't we just go over how its time to move on? Almost made it a whole two weeks without trashing the kid huh? Again... Let....it.....go...."

      You decided that, not me. I made -- and make -- no such promises whatsoever. Anybody who stunk up the joint as badly and for as long as Tino gets no break from me (at least not yet...).

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    2. For goodness sakes, Imma, we all know he was not a very good QB. By all accounts, he honored his scholarship, went to class, worked hard, stayed out of trouble and represented Pitt in an honorable way. You act like Tino personally did something to you. Stop playing the fool, and let it go. He was just a college QB doing the best he could. And, now he has moved on. You need to do the same.

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  28. chris, with the news that Michigan is no longer recruiting montae Nicholson, how have pitts chances with him changed?

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    1. Much better now obviously. It's a bit of a surprise and it shows you how well programs like that recruit. Nicholson could be a star in college very easily and Michigan probably would have got him. Yet, they simply decide to get a future star elsewhere. Must be nice.

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    2. safety is a huge position of need for pitt. I mean, ray vinopal is the starter for goodness' sake. if they can get 1 or more of Dudley-Gordon, Henry, and Nicholson id be thrilled.

      as for your point about Michigan and other top programs, its because of that kind of recruiting clout that I don't get upset or overly concerned when local guys go elsewhere. certainly, pitt should always get certain guys from the wpial but I find it hard to get upset with coaches when a guy chooses a place like that. for example, who in their right mind can blame a kid for going to Alabama or michigan over pitt? they are in two different universes.

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    3. Didn't Vinopal start at Michigan a few years ago?

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    4. He started most of his freshman season but it was when Rodriguez was there and the defense was one of the worst in the nation.

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    5. If Michigan recruits so well, how come they are nowhere near the top of national polls every year lately?

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    6. BH has only been coach for a short time and Rich Rod left them in bad shape defense wise. They still improved a lot with better recruits.

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    7. This is Hokes 3rd year.
      Michigan is ranked 17th preseason.
      RichRod years were a disaster.
      Hoke has landed some top recruits and they will battle for the top of Big10 for years to come.

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  29. I think he started his freshman year

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  30. Chris - How do expect Pitt's offensive and defensive lines matching their counterparts at FSU. I see a potential massacre on our hands. FSU's lines are very very strong.

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    1. I think it's obvious that the talent difference all throughout the roster is huge and if FSU plays well Pitt doesn't stand much of a chance. Luckily for Pitt, however, FSU often underachieves so Pitt may hang in there if that happens.

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    2. Talent disparities in college football are often bridged by the less talented team being smarter and more determined than the more talented team. Pitt can win if PC devises a smart game plan, and the players hard on every play.

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  31. Reggie Mitchell (transfer from Wisc) should be a welcome addition to Pitt as a saefty next year. I believe he played as a freshman at UW.

    And maybe one of the Clairton kids will step up .. and I guess Dravon Henry may still be a possibility.

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  32. Frankly, I think its dumb for Nicholson, Henry, McKenzie, Bookser NOT to have committed to any college yet.
    I believe its like a game between them as to who can be the last wpial elite player to commit. Reason being, the player who has not committed gets lots of media attention.
    However, schools are pulling offers from these players.
    Maybe they already told the school who they will commit to confidentially so not to lose their slot perse. Who knows.
    Elite players are committing much earlier these days than ever before.

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    1. Joe D,

      Who was the last Aliquippa player to commit early? You may be thinking long and hard because it hasn't happened since Coach Z or Marocco.

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    2. These days, let me clarify, in the last 2 years, elite players are committing earlier than ever before. Some under pressure because they don't want to lose the offer or slot.
      Its a trend that is not good for the player or the team.

      Have you noticed, below are how many committs by team as of today. Players have yet to play 1 down their senior season.
      Alabama - 19
      Tennessee - 24
      FSU - 24
      Miami - 26
      OSU - 17
      Louisville - 25
      Rutgers - 23
      Kentucky - 23

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    3. Ok, thanks for the clarification. 4 out of your 7 are top tier programs. Tennessee has great buzz with Butch Jones and Miami is out recruiting teams even though they could possibly be facing sanctions again. Rutgers is the only program on this list that's not a very attractive place to be right now in College Football

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  33. I hope PITT can use this, taken from a recent Rolling Stone Mag article, when recruiting against OSU and that scum bag, fake christian, Urban Meyer. Pitt should use this to get Malik Hooker, and his parents, to reconsider going to OSU.

    "In college his, (Aaron Hernandez), coach (then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer) may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents — an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar."

    Looks like OSU replaced one scum bag in Tressel with another...how may Sandusky like crimes have been covered-up in Columbus over the years???

    HAIL TO PITT!!

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    1. Rolling Stone article is bunch of BS. None of the media is believing it. Just read what is stated. "may have", etc.
      Stirring the pot to get people to buy the magazine.
      By using words like that, no lawsuit can be filed!

      Chyrst and crew have NOT been able to capitalize on PSU sanctions and surely won't be able to capitalize on Rolling Stone article in regards to recruiting.

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    2. if the Rolling Stone article doesn't hold much water, perhaps this article from NBC Sports does:

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/06/arrests-were-rampant-in-gainesville-under-urban-meyer/

      how can parents send their kid to play for this guy??

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    3. Easy, he is a good salesmen, wins, and puts kids in the NFL. It's that easy.

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    4. Easy. Urban Meyer sends players to the NFL!!

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    5. And if you haven't read the SI report,
      arrests were rampant at Pitt... as most other colleges.

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    6. Arrests were rampant at Pitt just this year!!
      What, is your head buried in the sand Anony?
      This article that you post is about Chapman being kicked off the team after spending 3 days in jail. Duh!!

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    7. Please, Joe D., don't try to tell us Pitt has the problems Meyer had at Florida and is already beginning to have at OSU.

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    8. As you said, Chapman was kicked off the team…along with several other players, so it certainly appears that Pitt is attempting to clean-up its program.

      By hiring Urban Myers, Ohio State has shown that winning continues to be everything in Columbus…even after the embarrassing incidents that occurred under their previous coach.

      While that is great news for their fans, is that really what an institution of higher learning should be promoting. Personally, as difficult as this is to admit, I think that the University of Pittsburgh has their priorities in the proper order.

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    9. MC, if that is what you believe.... that is fine as that is your opinion.
      If that is the case, Pitt should be moving to the Patriot League and not the ACC for football.

      Every team wants to run a clean program, but problems will come up every year regardless. Heck, didn't Harvard have problems recently.
      So, if you expect 0 problems at Pitt, I can assure you it ain't going to happen. Especially when Pitt is smack dab in the middle of a large city.

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    10. I have never agreed with Joe D as much as his statement above. I honestly believe many of these kids are pretty good until they get to Oakland ... sorry if I offended.

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    11. Ultimately, time will tell but I’m betting that Pitt, under Coach Chryst, does not repeat as the national champions of the next SI “most-arrested team in the country” contest.

      MC

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    12. I don't buy that pitts location causes it.. if you want trouble, you can find it anywhere.. in the suburbs, urban areas, it doesn't matter. you will never eliminate trouble from your athletic teams or overall student population but you can certainly recruit players with good character who can also ball. they arent necessarily two different things.

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    13. You guys are killing me because you're all talking in circles. Whether these kids have so called"good character" or not, that does not excuse the past 3 staffs for not coaching these kids up to win games. Pitt had great character kids in the 90's, but it still didn't translate to wins. Walt Harris at least understood the concept of keeping local talent at home. His classes started in Pittsburgh and branched out not vice versa like the current crop of coaches. With that said, Travon Chapman was accused not convicted. Where's the loyalty? The 2 kids that were kicked off the team because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time did not have drugs on them, weapons on them, drugs in their system, and the charges against them got dropped, why are they not on the active roster? Where's the loyalty? The Todd Thomas debacle was totally handled wrong. Todd Thomas is a 21 year old man. From the end of spring camp- to the beginning of fall camp, are you telling me his position coach, his defensive coordinator, or his head coach could not let a two-year letterman know he was being demoted to the second team? Instead, he gets told the first day of camp on the field where emotions are already running high in preparation for the FSU football game. Where is the loyalty at? People say to take a look at the parent, when kids get in trouble. Coaches say they're going to mold your child into young men as if your child was their own. Well Pitt coaches, it seems as if there's some bad parenting going on with you're team. It's time to take a look in the mirror and quit shifting the blame, when the real issue is the parents(=COACHES)

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    14. Chapman was more than accused. He plead guilty, and spent 3 days in jail. Todd Thomas is back on the team, so that situation worked out.

      You can't blame coaches for the stupid decisions players make. They are not the parents. If a kid wasn't raised properly, that's not the fault of the coaches.

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    15. that's not true. Thomas was aware before the start of camp. and a kids scholarship is conditional on 1) performance on the field and 2) behavior off it. I agree that Williams and carswell probably should still be on the team but we don't know what wen on behind the scenes. just like chapman had a litmus test of sorts, they might have too. however, once a kid pleads guilty to assault and spends 3 days in jail the school or the coaches don't owe him anything. where was his loyalty to the coaches or the team when he decided to put his hands on a woman? where was thomas' loyalty to the coaches or the team when he quit? that goes both ways. I thought they handled the Thomas situation well, btw. he had a horrible reaction and he immediately realized it. chryst gave him time to think it over and he consulted the seniors and ultimately decided to bring him back.

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    16. Funny how that SI article about all the arrests didn't register a blip on the radar nationally. No one cared because Pitt is not threat on the college football landscape.

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    17. Partly inaccurate, as the SI article only looked at Top 25 teams, which Pitt was at the time it was written.

      If the project was started 3 months later, Pitt wouldn't have been on the list.

      For that reason and many others it was an incredibly flawed report, and it would be unbelievable that the Pitt administration would actually use that article to influence athletic policy.

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    18. SI only investigated the top 25 schools in the country in that article. Pitt was ranked #16 in the SI preseason poll at that time.

      MC

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  34. PSU had a 'Between the Lines' show dedicated to its porgram about 5 years or so ago due to all the arrests happening in Happy Valley. At the same time, their on-field performance improved dramatically compared to the first part of the deacde (2000-4.)

    UF led the NCAA in arrests and national championships during Urban's time there. USC under Carroll was the dominant NCAA program prior to UF. OSU dominated the Big 10 while under Tressel but had constant off-the-field issues from Clarett through Prior.

    There are successul programs who avoid these issues (I think) but the following are the names of title winning ocaches this past decade: Saban, Miles, Chizik, Meyer, Carroll, Brown, and Tressel. Mack Brown would be the only one here that I would want as a neighbor.

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  35. On another topic .. WVU returning leading rusher, Andrew Buie, is 4th on the depth chart and is being redshirted behind 1 senior, 2 juniors and 1 freshman. Thus, he will be competing with these guys and Rushell Shell next year .. which makes you wonder how much PT our favorite transfer will get next year.

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    1. Rushel Shell will not play a down at WVU.
      Rushel and Buie are the same. I assume you know why Buie is getting the RS.

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    2. Buie showed up to camp out of shape, etc.
      Sounds like he doesn't like to put the work in. Didn't workout spring and summer. PG had an article on it also.
      That is why I said Buie is similar to Shell. Holgy doesn't take BS!

      http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/23267896/andrew-buie-will-redshirt-2013-season-for-wvu

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    3. well, joe, you were dead on about shells attitude and work ethic. thanks for the info on buie as well

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    4. Buie has officially withdrawn from WVU.
      Not that Pitt is interested but the same can happen to Rushel Shell before next year. Holgy is no BS when it comes to putting the work in.

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  36. Joe D- who is next Quip stud after this group leaves?

    Chris
    I keep reading about the four D-1 guys but also keep reading different names. Swanson, Henry and Fields of course but is it Cobb or Turner or both of those guys??

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    1. 2015 - Arrington Gipson 6'4 305 OT/DT
      2016 - Kaezon Pugh 6'3 210 RB/OLB, Gained 580 as a Freshman, despite missing 4 games with an arm injury

      To answer your second question:
      Jyier Turner 5'10 175 SL/CB/KR\PR
      Dajon Perry 6'1 225 TE/FB/ILB/OLB
      Donovan Cobb 6'3 240 FB/TE/ILB/OLB

      http://www.pafootballnews.com/PreSeason_Primer/Pre-Season_All-State.htm

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  37. Mark my words Pitt will go 9-3 and win the coastal division. Good Coaching trumps all, and Chryst and co. will put this team in a position to be successful. Somebody save this post for the end of the season!!!

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  38. Hoe you're right ... but my name is also Anonymous and I say we're looking at 5 wins

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  39. I caught a portion of the South Carolina game and it really makes you realize just how far away Pitt is from having a contending team as well as an atmosphere that is special to play in front of. Its just a shame. It really is.

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    1. Time will tell about the contender part, but for atmosphere, that comes from the fans.

      South Carolina has one of the best fanbases in sports, given how they would draw 80,000 for games even when they'd only win 3 or 4 games a year. Pitt's not going to get that kind of support being in a pro town (and one that wins championships to boot)

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    2. I went to college in South Carolina, right in between Columbia and Clemson. They take their college football SERIOUSLY down there. Pitt fans are so passive compaired to them.

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    3. Rutgers and UConn lost opener.
      Goes to show how weak the old Big East was.

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    4. No it doesn't.

      This season's results are in no way a reflection of last season's teams.

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  40. Well, 9-3 probably means either Pitt goes 6-1 at home plus wins @ Duke, @ Navy, @ Syracuse, or Pitt loses to the big 3 (FSU, ND, Miami) on the schedule but wins all the other games. I'm an optimist, but even I'll say it would take a lot to go right for that to happen.

    5-7 means Pitt beats the 3 cupcakes (New Mex, ODU, Navy) takes 2 out of 3 out of Duke, Virginia, and Syracuse, and loses the rest. I don't buy that line either.

    I think we'll have a pretty good idea after the New Mexico game. I'm thinking anywhere from 6 to 8 wins. I really think Pitt needs to knock off at least one of the big 3 at home and win 7 games.

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    1. OE, this is Pitt year 2013 - there are zero cupcakes on our schedule anymore.

      We could easily lose to all 3 of those "cupcake teams" - I don't think that we will but, no gimmies like there were in the glory years.

      We DID have glory years didn't we? Hard to remember now unfortunately.

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    2. I suppose it's theoretically possible that Pitt doesn't show up and lose, but with the memory of Youngstown State in their heads, I think it's unlikely.

      New Mexico still stinks, this isn't Paul Johnson's Navy squad anymore, and Old Dominion is still FCS and playing the game in October. ODU doesn't even get the benefit of maybe catching Pitt looking ahead; Navy is the following week.

      Pitt should beat the next tier of teams - Duke, Virignia, and Syracuse - but I fully expect them to drop one of those along the way.

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  41. One important missing point is that many of the ACC teams play a spread offense. Historically, Pitt hasn't done well stopping the spread and when you look at last year, it's quite telling. We are asking a lot from the defense especially with a new inexperienced coordinator. Add that to fact that our offense will probably struggle for a while until we get comfortable. Pitt will have their hands full with Navy and don't dismiss OD.

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    1. ...as 13-9 laughs...

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    2. Regarding stopping the spread, are you talking just last year, or the past 10 years?

      Historically, when Pitt has struggled with the spread, it's because:
      1. The other team's offense was really good
      2. Pitt's defense stunk that season
      3. The coach stubbornly stayed in a base 4-3 the whole time.

      It's not like every time Pitt faces a spread team they give up 40 points. Aside from 13-9, we tend to overlook when Pitt holds it in check.

      As for the ACC, the only offense that truly spooks me is Clemson. They're not on the schedule. Georgia Tech is possibly concerning, but they have struggled the past few seasons, and the uniqueness of their triple option kind of goes away when you factor that Pitt is playing Navy the week before.

      For the other teams? I don't think their O's are all terrible, and I'm sure Pitt's defense will have one of those games and stink up the joint against somebody, but no one on the schedule makes me think we're looking at a Mike Leach offense.

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  42. On a recruiting note I know you guys might disagree, but if we land CJ Leggett that is a steal, he is highly under-recruited. I live in Atlanta, and went to watch him last week at the GA Dome. That kid is a monster, and would be huge for Pitt trust me....

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    1. ESPN has Leggett rated as a 4 star player and a top 300 player

      http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/166899/cj-leggett

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  43. Shai McKenzie and Rushel Shell had a Twitter war of words. Shai actually started talking mess to Rushel Shell first. Shai McKenzie shows his immaturity with some of the stupid things he says that has no validity. Let your play do the talking Shai. You can't keep saying you're better than Rushel until you surpass what he has done. You're definitely showing you're just as immature and irresponsible as Rushel

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  44. NA vs. Mt Lebo:
    E Zeise: 4 receptions, 129 yards
    T Apke: 4 receptions, 39 yards

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  45. I have to do this....

    Kentucky 26
    Western Kentucky 35

    Stoops....Stoops....Stoops?

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    1. He let me down!!!
      ok, here goes a koolaid drinker excuse.
      It's not his players, give him 10 years... lmao.
      NOT.
      He will get it done!

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    2. Glad everyone is so concerned with Kentucky. The SEC is a little different than the big east.

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  46. Just wanted to say that Stoops, Stoops, Stoops got embarrassed in his first game. People wanted Chryst canned right off the bat in losing to YSU. Guess it happens to more than just him. Everyone was praising Stoops all off season and his regime didn't start off too well either. Granted his recruiting was pretty strong but it shows that winning quickly isn't easy.

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    1. And your point? He lost with former coaches players and you are not funny. YSU loss is so much worse it's not even close.

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    2. Didn't Chryst lose with another coaches players? Actually, TWO former coaches players?
      And to Anonymous @11:23pm, I missed the part where the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers are in the SEC. Last I checked, they were in the Sun Belt.

      The whole thing is a jab at Joe D, who's been preaching Stoops, Stoops, Stoops here and elsewhere for quite some time like he was a no-brainer hire, when actually, his main qualification actually isn't that much different than that of Paul Chryst: both are highly qualified coordinators with no head coaching experience.

      Mark Stoops may turn out to be a very good head coach, but that first game wasn't a good start, and really isn't that much better than what happened to Pitt and Chryst.

      His problem will be is that he's potentially staring at a 2-win season with a lot of blowout losses in the process; it's going to be tough to redeem himself (something Chryst was at least partially able to do). Should this happen, Stoops' alleged recruiting prowess will shrivel up real fast.

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    3. The reason I wanted Stoops is because he could recruit.
      Recruit Ohio and Florida.
      Stoops is doing a bang up job in recruiting versus Chryst.
      I also thought if he landed at Pitt, he would bring his older brother who is YSU Recruiting Coordinator and knows Ohio!!

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    4. The Stoops brother in Ohio won't move. He takes care of the mother and the other brothers compensate him handsomely to do so. At least that's what my Y-Town brethren have told me.

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  47. well, I was talking to my doctor about pitt this upcoming season and he mentioned old dominion. he said he has a buddy who is familiar with the program (I cant remember what he said the connection was) and he said that odu has a stud quarterback this year. surely enough odu racked up impressive offensive stats against ecu but their defense was atrocious. pitt should win that game but I agree that odu shouldn't be slept on.

    as for season precictions, I think 6-6 is reasonable with 8 being the max and 4 being the minimum (assuming there are no major injuries). one thing that I will say is pitt will be more focused and prepared this year for a variety of reasons but a major one being they open with florida state. a big opener should have made the off season much more intense and focused.

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  48. Winning quickly isn't easy......tell that to Urban Meyer.

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    1. cough cough at ohio state.. winning is a lot easier when your team has top 15 talent the second youre on campus

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  49. Hate to bring up old news but take Brian Kelly for example. He is an outstanding coach but Wanny stayed right with him in most games. One or two good things happen and we beat Kelly's Bearcats and win the big east. Lord knows what that would have done for our program. Would we be better off today if things hadn't change so abruptly.

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  50. Did "yall" watch the Clemson game??
    Did you see that talent and speed let alone gameday experience!!
    Pitt would get destroyed by Clemson and I suspect FSU tomorrow. Too much speed and tooo much talent.

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  51. Was at the Pirate game this afternoon. There was a lot of burgundy in the stands. Even saw some tomahawk chops.

    The Noles contingent won't be as large as the Domers or when the Cornhuskers came, but they will be visible...doing that tomahawk chop.

    I hate the chop. A lot.

    Would love nothing more than shutting those folks up.

    JLawrence

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  52. Coming to PGH for a football game, being able to watch a MLB game and enjoy the city in the same trip must be great for those FSU fans.

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  53. 10 hours and 20 minutes until kickoff. It time to separate the men from the boys. No more speculating about how good or how bad Pitt is gonna be. We will finally get to see what the 2013 team is about

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  54. Chris, any insight on tonight's game? What is your predictio & by how much? Also, any HS bball & fball recruits coming tonight? Looking forward to watching the game. Hope it is close. H2P!

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    1. A lot of top prospects attending. If FSU comes to play they should win by at least 2 TDs. But they don't always show up so Pitt could make it close if all goes well. I'd be surprised by a win though.

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