Random thoughts on the Pitt football and basketball programs
Just do it without the non-conf.We all know those were Bullshit games so what you are posting, well, should I say it?
Dixon has had 126 conference wins. Boeheim had 128 wins in the same period. So yeah, not surprisingly you're wrong.
Oh, and by the way, Dixon finished first or second in the conference 5 times. Boeheim did it 3 times.
So, Chris, is your translation based on JD's overall record or conference record?
Every football program in the country plays bullshit non-conference games... So this is actually a legit translation.And... Pitt's conference record under Dixon has been excellent...So... Nice try anonymous at 5:36, but the people trying to diminish what Dixon has done, like yourself, are spewing bullshit.
In basketball, the non-con games are 40%.Very disappointed in your post today.If you want to do legitimate comparisons of Dixon record, only use his conference schedule say last 10 years.
Are you ignorant or is that you can't read? How many times do I have to say it? As it's been pointed out many times before Dixon's CONFERENCE record is nearly identical to Boeheim and Calhoun. So all of you numb nuts who keep yelling that he pads his record are totally clueless. If you are going to debate sports for the love of God do us all a favor and become knowledgeable first.
Nice job, Chris....thanks..
If our fball coach had this kind of record he would be a God & would have a statue out in front of Heinz field of him. But our basketball coach we want to fire. Absolutely absurd
Actually methinks that after the first 3 or 4 seasons, Pitt fans would begin engage in the same griping about the "next level". Dixon's translated football record doesn't include a national title or a Heisman. So he's the worst coach ever. OR NOT.
Good post. My only gripe is how a CBI championship equates to a 6-6 record in football? They had a losing record in the Big East for goodness sake - seems like that would be more like a 4-8 or 5-7 at best.
It's pretty simple. Pitt went 17-16 in the regular season that year. That translates to 6-6. All I did was take his winning percentage and use it for the amount of football games in a season.
CBI = BBVA Compass BowlI really don't understand the issue, John.
Right.... and Jamie was coaching in the BEST basketball conference in the nation most of those years... not some laughable Big East football conference!!
Great post Chris!NRS
The last part of this post should have done the numbers to show how Dixon's NCAA tournament record translates to Bowl Games and BCS Games.Based on the record, Pitt would at least play in New Year's Day Bowl Games i.e. Gator, Cotton, Chick-fil-a and about 3-4 BCS Games. His Bowl record would probably be 2-10 with no BCS wins. What do you think Chris?
No that wouldn't be his record in Bowl Games. First, for probably at least half of the bowl games Pitt would have been playing against inferior teams just based on how bowl matchups occur. Dixon doesn't lose many tournament games to inferior teams. And with the BCS, in 2011 Pitt was probably the 3rd best team in the nation. However, in their BCS game they wouldn't have played the 4th best team. They could have maybe played the 10th best team or maybe even a worse automatic qualifier.
The only thing Jamie is really missing is a final four and championship. I have been a supporter of Dr. Roy Chipman--I was 8 yrs old), Paul Evans, Ralph Willard, Ben Howland and now Jamie, but is there any doubt that Jamie has changed the program. In most cases he brings in kids that get their degree, stay out of trouble, graduate, and win games. His teams win in the reg season and in conf tournaments I think he is at least respectable. How we go from here as far as recruiting is up to Jamie and who he wants to bring in, but at this point I just say I trust Jamie. When Ben left I said bring in Calapari, could u imagine the recruits I thought, he wanted to come back too, but now I would rather lose with Jamie than win win another coach, cause Jamie has done it the right way.
Rumor has it, Chris Jones is being asked to move on. Any truth?Who will be offered?
Chris,Despite Dixon building a program at a school with virtually no basketball history, having a sterling conference record, having a number 1 ranked team in both the AP and coaches poll, reaching the elite eight, winning the big east tournament a few times, 2 number one seeds in the NCAA, reaching the NCAA tournament every year except one, multiple sweet 16 trips, Jamie Dixon is obviously a terrible coach and should be fired immediately. All your "facts" and "figures" won't convince us otherwise.
^This guy nailed it. Run the guy out of town.
No basketball history?? you must be 25 years old.I suggest you check your facts especially of players who went on to play in NBA/ABA.
Pitt has little basketball history. Except for a few years with Evans, they were a mediocre program until about 15 years ago.
I like that Dixon is expected to win big. I like that other coaches and analysts thing he will in time. What I don't like is he has done zilch in the NCAA tourney. His teams underperform. I also don't like his recruiting. We have a large hole at center and the best he could do is bring in a JUCO that has to dunk the ball to score. He has been a head coach long enough to develop relationships. John Calipari contacted Dr Marks and wanted to come here. Imagine the talent he would bring to this team
John Calipari was run out of Pitt in the 80's because he was a sleaze ball recruiter and also was also a sleazeball at Memphis. There was no way he was coming back to Pitt.As far as bringing in a center, what's wrong with bringing in a JUCO kid? it isn't like he's building the program around him, he needs a kid that can step in and play because Doorson won't be ready to play next year.
I love when fans try to posit the moral highroad when it comes to Pitt athletics. The only justifiable reason Pitt would have had in not hiring John Calipari in '03 is money. Ethics are for losers in college big-time college athletics. No one wins in clean fashion. No one. Memphis competes with the big boys on that front, and Pitt would have had to offer a significant amount to get him (e.g., more than they were offering Prosser). They simply weren't willing.
I hate to tell you this, but after Mike Gottfried and Paul Evans, the university made a conscious effort to keep things clean. That's why the football program has been mediocre and a big reason why Dixon has to get by with some lesser talent.
I hate to be so cynical but, ethical big-time college athletics is an oxymoron. Recruiting = bribing, and any sport that relies on it will be rife with rule-bending, especially when the competition is intense. If you're going to compete at something, then you have to get the best talent to compete, starting with coaches. I'll never buy the "Calipari is dirty" argument because in reality, he's just better at getting the same kids everyone else is after. And as a Pitt fan, I'd never apologize for Brian Shorter & Co. just because Calipari had a hand in landing them. Pitt can justify mediocrity in the football program any way it wants. Meanwhile the usual suspects will keep charging on between probations, and all anyone will remember or talk about is how great their teams were and how many BCS bowl games they've been to. Michigan had the Fab Five, and nobody really cares that they were paid (ESPN certainly doesn't). UMass refuses to take the Final Four banner down, in large part, because Marcus Camby DID actually play for them, and they DID play in that Final Four. I could conceivably give Pitt the out that it isn't in the position to righteously cheat since, unlike its rivals, it's located in a hyper-competitive media market that is bound to uncover any "impropriety" rather quickly. But then again, can it really compete in this situation?
AAPM74,I'm not taking a moral high road, that's why he wasn't brought back. I don't know if you remember the Gottfried and Evans era of the mid late 80's, but let me assure you Pitt is lucky they survived that without sanctions. Gottfired in particular lead to the hiring of Paul Hackett and the "we only want student athletes", which crushed the program. Evans wasn't much better, either.I'm not saying Pitt is squeaky clean, no program is, but they're a lot more above board than most programs. Wannstedt, for example, wasn't let go because of performance, he was let go because of the arrests.Mike W.
UConn was also mediocre and had "little basketball history". Look how that worked out. If an administration is satisfied w/ mediocrity… so be it.
Speaking of Football...Sam Werner reports Voytik is having some problems with accuracy. Apparently a result of his attempt to improve his delivery.“You never want to see your accuracy be off, but right now I’m changing some mechanics, so I understand that my accuracy is going to have to lack a little bit right now,” Voytik said.Voytik’s problems with his throwing motion was obvious while watching him at the Spring Game a year ago. As I posted back then, he seemed to “muscle” the ball instead of spinning it.He did seem to have improved things by Fall.But, hey, the last time I checked Chad was 1 and 0.As long as he wins, I couldn’t care less whether he spins it, muscles it, or hands the ball to his receivers.PittofDreams
Brian Billick made a comment about Tebow being toooo bulked up, too much in the gym with weights, and that may affect his throwing motion.An article on Voytik mentioned it is now doing more "flexibility" type workouts. He was too much of a bench, etc workout type of guy. Voytik has always been a workout warrior. He may be seeing that it has affected his throwing motion.
Jerry "The Mole" talked about Dixon's projected Bowl Record.I think JD's postseason winner % is around 57%. So 6-6, maybe even 7-5.
Chris - Just curious. Dixon or Howland? Who is a better coach? If Dixon ever left (not saying I want him to) would Pitt be better or worse off if Howland came in?
Great Story on the Two Sides to JAMES CONNER (aka PANTHER BEAST MODE) in the Trib.A Special Player and Person who is EXTREMELY MATURE for still being just 18 YEARS OLD!PittofDreams
Amd what about James Conner’s thoughts about this Fall and beyond?(The NFL) is on my mind every day,” he (Conner) said. “Honestly, I’m a Pitt Panther right now and I want to get a 10-win season, and go to a great bowl game. Hopefully, we can do both.I like the way this guy thinks.PittofDreams
I know Connor from Erie. My son knew him pretty well from playing with him. I can state with 100% confidence that James will bolt after his junior season if an opportunity that will mke him 7-figures presents itself. Without a doubt. He really wants to help his mother. And he doesn't have a back-up plan of being an astronaut. So he's quite focused on football. I thi g he csn do it and at least end up a specjsl teamer or back-up FB. He has the tools.
Thanks Sam. Good thing you know him well enough to guarantee he's going pro but don't know him good enough to spell his last name right...LOL!!!
There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not one that lives with this delusional thought that some of these kids are with the program to be a student athlete. If Conner performs well enough in the next two seasons, he'll benefit and the program will as well. Everyone wins, that's the way it should be.
How about another RINGING endorsement for the new Strength Coach?From the Trib Review...********But (Dorian) Johnson, a former five-star recruit out of Belle Vernon, has an important ally in his quest to become the type of guard who will help Pitt build a strong running game — new strength coach Ross Kolodziej.“I got a lot weaker during the season,” Johnson said. “A couple of shoulder injuries, stuff on my elbow. But the new strength coach is helping me get my strength back up.”********PittofDreams
And if you haven't seen it... you might want to check out the newly posted practice video on PittPanthers.comAmong other things, a VERY SVELTE James Conner doing his best impersonation of "BEAST MODE."Perhaps another RINGING endorsement for the Strength Coach?http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/blog/2014/04/football-spring-camp-coverage---day-8.htmlPittofDreams
Just read an article on 24/7 about my fellow Aliquippa kid Patrick Anderson and I, loke everyone else, am wondering why he doesn't have a Pitt offer just yet. He performed well at Pitt camp last year. He came through for the Quips whenever they needed him. He has a very bright future ahead of him
Jerry the mole = Joe D.
Sorry Anonymous @ 701, Everyone from Aliquippa knows who The Mole is, Mole stems from his Polish last name, lol
@ JWI'm not from Aliquippa so you know better than me. However the Mole's comments can be as inane as JoeD's.
Just asking, are you referring to my post about Patrick Anderson?
I was not referring to your post about PA. Several prior posts.
We haven't gotten any spring ball updates, What's going on? Have any recruits been to any of the practices?
Any position battles
Sad time for Pitt football. The last few years I took my grandson and several of his friends to the spring game. I'm in Harrisburg so changing the venue to HS stadiums was a little logistically challenging but not having a Spring game at all is just unacceptable. It's a slap in the face to loyal fans who have supported this program through good and bad over the many years. So sad!
The REAL REASON Spring Football Games get cancelled.“… Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy said a lack of depth caused his switch from a spring game to an open practice.“When you have a spring game, you’ve got to divide teams up and go almost two deep on each team,” Gundy said.********Thanks Coach for your honesty.Lends support to what I’ve been posting since the cancellation of the Pitt Spring Game was announced. Despite the excuses Chryst has publicly stated, a LACK of QB DEPTH was likely the primary reason the plug got pulled, if not the entire reason.Normally a HUGE Chryst supporter, in this case I've got to be critical. No excuse for going into Spring with just TWO QBs on the roster.POOR PLANNING not to start looking to add a quarterback a year ago when Chapman's arrest was made public.However, the GOOD news Anonymous 11:59. Something tells me the Pitt Football Spring Game will make a MIRACULOUS RECOVERY in 2015.PittofDreams
They can have an open practice at the Highmark soccer stadium for fans to go watch, etc. The soccer stadium (Station Square) is a perfect location for Pitt football as well as fans for an open practice.
I feel the same about the QB situation. Yeah, bad luck hit with Chapman’s arrest and Freebeck's last-minute switch, but still unacceptable to have only two QBs on the roster in the spring. Nothing seems to have changed. Wanny's third year was tough with Stull's injury and seven years later Chryst is in a similar spot with his QBs. One bad injury to Voytik and the season is shot.There has been so much talk about what has gone wrong with the program the last 32 years, but what goes unnoticed is how bad the QB spot has been at Pitt. Since Marino, only one Pitt quarterback has been drafted and that was Van Pelt, an 8th rounder. That’s pretty bad. That is changing this year with Savage, but the most important position in football has been below the line for way too long.
Don't short sell Rutherford and Palko as despite draft results they played very well under Harris. It seems the QB recruiting fell off under Wanny as any Pitt success those years was despite Stull and Sunseri, who were competent at best. Harris, like Chryst is supposed to be a QB guru and hopefully Savage's rise up the draft boards has to do with what Chryst taught him.
Recruiting the QB position is the toughest due to the ego's of the HS QB. They are use to being BMOC and the #1 player on their HS football team. They get bent out of shape when you recruit 2 in the same season let alone 1 every year then you tell them they will be holding a clipboard for 2 years. However, Pitt should be able to land a quality 4star type QB every other year. Voytik is one.
Chapman was given 4 stars by a few scouting services, and he'd never been in trouble before. Freebeck was also given 4 starts by some scouting services. Neither of these guys was gonna set the world on fire, but having both on the roster would make things a lot better. Its some bad luck in consecutive years, at a critical position. However, this is the year Chryst needs to land The Future QB after Voytik.
Any shot at Obi or Cressler?
Yes with Cressler. Still unsure about Obi.
There is a "Light at the end of the Tunnel" as far as the Quarterback situation goes.If you were going to lose one of the two QBs Chryst recruited this year... Freebeck would have been my choice.Bertke has some SERIOUS UPSIDE.. 6-6, a PROVEN WINNER in High School with a LIGHTENING QUICK Release.PittofDreams
Hey Chris,Are you going to Pitt Field Pass Event??
Hope you do go Chris and do a writeup on the "Field Pass Event".I won't be able to make it.
Does losing Slice mean Heron will be lost also?
Chris, was it because the money that slice left? Or was it that he wanted a different challenge at a better program? Kentucky right?
According to Adam Zagoria, Slice to Kentucky... a DONE DEAL.If true, a sign that Pitt under Jamie Dixon is not "up and coming" as an Elite Basketball Program... and the chances of that becoming the case anytime soon just got a WHOLE LOT slimmer..PittofDreams
That's the dumbest thing you've ever said. I'm beginning to think that you may be one of the alter egos of Joe D.
I am not the one that thinks that at all. I think it is a huge loss. I am just scratching my heading thinking why after a year does he leave. Hopefully, we will not lose recruits over his departure. Coaches are replaceable. You gotta have the right captain to steer the ship and Jamie has proven that he can steer the ship in the right direction.
Chris,As for Pitt Basketball and how "dumb" it might be to have some doubts about the future direction of the program...In addition to those going so far as to question Dixon's ability to stay cool at "Crunch Time" or his unwavering commitment to a Conservative "Defense-First" approach... the majority of critics have focused on Jamie's seeming INABILITY TO RECRUIT the kind of Players necessary to lift Pitt to the next level..When Rohrssen was brought back, even the MOST ARDENT Dixon Supporters saw it as a GREAT MOVE that made too much sense. SLICE and his proven ability to recruit was exactly what Jamie and the Program needed.If it is true that SLICE is in fact gone, his loss has to shake the confidence of Pitt Fans as to the direction the program is headed.After the struggles of the past few years, there is no reason to AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE Jamie has the ability to single out and land a “SLICE IN WAITING” who can steady the course.PittofDreams
At the very least he could get on the phone and get Herrion who has done more for Pitt than Rohrssen. Slice has only been at Pitt for 4 of Dixon's 12 years, and not even the best years, and people are acting like he's irreplaceable. It's nuts.
PittofDreams - you say, "his INABILITY TO RECRUIT the kind of Players necessary to lift Pitt to the next level"Birch, Adams and Taylor were all 5 star recruits. Yes, they all disappointed in one way or another but, he GOT all 3.Knight recruited Mustapha Herron - if we lose Slice and dump Barton, we may get Herrion and the assistant at Rutgers whose name escapes me.We'll be fine.
Pat Skerry recruited Birch. When he left, Birch left. Adams was hand delivered by Dixon's NZ pal Kenny McFadden.Herrion landed Taylor and Slice landed (hopefully) Mustapha Herron through his relationship with his father. Remember though, this kid is from Connecticut and the recruiting for him isn't over.
I still don't know how steven adams disappointed lol
By the way, it was Tom Herrion that first saw Adams for Pitt.
Chris - Slice to UK done deal. Is that what you hear??
It's not official and only one person is reporting it so we'll see.
Rohrsen to Kentucky makes no sense.He is in his mid-50's. The ship has sailed regarding Slice as an HC anywhere. He wasn't successful in his backyard at Manhattan so doubtful he will get an HC position anywhere. Pitt assistant pays more than some mid-major HC's.Furthermore, reports are that Rohrsen makes more $$ at Pitt than Antigua did at Kentucky.
Pitt is a very very good program that wins a lot of games. Kentucky is the pinnacle of college basketball. Theres a big difference.
I heard today that Dixon asked slice to move on. Could this be true? Does JD have someone in line?
That's not true.