Friday, July 25, 2014

How Pitt compares to others as far as signing 4 and 5 star prospects

For the sake of comparison, the number of 4 and 5 star prospects (Rivals) for a select group of programs in the 2013, 2014, and 2015 classes.

Alabama 51
Ohio State 39
Texas A&M 39
Notre Dame 36
UCLA 35
Florida State 34
USC 32
Tennessee 31
Michigan 29
Clemson 27
Penn State 21
Miami 21
Oregon 18
Kentucky 17
Stanford 15
Virginia Tech 13
Arizona State 11
Arkansas 11
Michigan State 11
Washington 11
Vanderbilt 10
Maryland 10
Wisconsin 9
West Virginia 9
Arizona 9
Virginia 8
Northwestern 7
Pittsburgh  7
Texas Tech 4
Boston College 3
Duke 3
Louisville 3
Iowa 2
Temple 2
Georgia Tech 1
Rutgers 1
Syracuse 0
Wake Forest 0



189 comments:

  1. Are we seriously going to have another discussion on 4star recruits...
    and whether more 4star recruits will translate into more wins?
    Is that seriously up for debate by anyone??

    Here come the Chryst can "coach'em up" better than anyone else type fans. smh

    Watch, someone is going to point at Louisville and say Pitt can be a Louisville. smh.

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    1. I don't recall anyone writing that Chryst can coach kids up better than anyone else. The point people have made is that since he's not pulling a ton of elite talent, then he'd better be able to coach the current crop up to establish a winning program that'll attract more elite kids.

      Obviously, it's better to land 4 and 5 star kids. Pitt just isn't currently at that level, so it's either spend big bucks on an elite coach and assistants that are great recruiters and coaches, or hope that a guy like Chryst can take 2-3 star kids and turn them into good to great college players.

      I'm not sure what all the fuss is about regarding what Chris has been writing. While I want Chryst to succeed, he's only a .500 coach so far, so the jury's still out on him regarding his ability to be a great head coach.

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    2. DWinters.
      Perhaps you forgot. People point to Wisky as coach'em up better than anyone else even though Chryst wasn't HC. Wisky doesn't land many 4star either.

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    3. Maybe Wiscy doesn't really, "coach 'em up." Maybe they evaluate talent better than the recruiting sites, at least in terms of how they project in their schemes.

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    4. anony 2:24.
      Could be, but it wasn't Chryst that was recruiting or evaluating the talent!!
      Personally, I don't go by stars, I go by quality of offers.
      Please don't say Chryst has a better eye for talent because he was not allowed out of Madison to recruit or evaluate.

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    5. Anony 2:24.
      Evaluate better is laughable.
      Your post is just an excuse for Chryst inability to land elite recruits.
      There are very few "scheme" players (specialists) on offense or defense. We are not comparing a slot type receiver to a wideout and the skills/athleticism you need to have for either position.

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    6. Anonymous @ 7/26/14, 1:59 pm: Your original post stated, "Here come Chryst can coach em up better than anyone else type fans". That implies that there were people on this site who claimed that. I've never seen that type of statement on this blog.

      I didn't forget anything, as you suggest. You made a statement that was made more to make an argument than it was based in fact. Typical of your consistently negative posts.

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  2. After all, Pitt has so much to sell to the common recruit these days… No BCS wins ever…. One 10 win season in the last 30 years, 6 coaches in a 3 year span, multiple arrests… mediocre attendance….

    All Pitt needs to do is kick in more money and get coaches that can get 4 star players... It's easy... It's not like other schools haven't thought about that strategy, Right?

    But wait!

    I have a better idea… Since there are WAY more 3 star players out there than 4-5 star players, maybe we should try and find the best of the bunch and win on the field? 8-9 wins a year for a couple of seasons and stability will do wonders for the program… It’s not like Pitt plays in the SEC... Then we can get some better recruits to take notice and have more interest in Pitt? Maybe we should support the coach and wait until he’s had 4 full recruiting cycles? Nah…Let’s piss and moan…

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    1. Other than Joe D, who is pissing and moaning?

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    2. What does every college ranked higher that Pitt on the list above have that Pitt doesn't have?
      1. No on-campus practice & S&C facilities.
      2. No on-campus stadium (Miami is off campus I believe)
      3. Better coaches because a bigger budget to pay for better coaches who btw can recruit.
      anyone want to list other things?
      I'm of the belief that Chryst has a difficult job to land elite recruits even if they are from the wpial. Pitt will rarely be ranked in the Top 25 final.

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    3. A great coach can win anywhere. If Rich Rodriquez can make WVU a power than an excellent coach can make Pitt a power.

      Put it this way, would Nick Saban or Urban Meyer win big at Pitt? Of course they would. So now people say that you can't those guys and they'd be right. But what you can do is find the next Saban or Meyer then raise the budget to keep him when he succeeds.

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    4. "A great coach can win anywhere. If Rich Rodriquez can make WVU a power than an excellent coach can make Pitt a power."

      How many 4 star players did he have on his roster when he was winning at WVU? Not many. He found the right players to fit his system and coached the players to execute.

      EVERYBODY wants a Saban and a Meyer. Bigger schools with bigger budgets and better attendance still can't get it right. Before Kelly took over ND, how many coaches did they go through after Holtz left? They had money and could afford the best coaches to recruit. Is Hoke the answer at Michigan? I doubt it. Before Sumlin went to Texas A&M, they struggled for years in mediocrity. It's not that easy.

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    5. I never said all that you need to do is get a bunch of 4-star players. You have to be able to coach them, too, obviously. But you have a much better chance with 4 and 5 star players.

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  3. Another question I'm sure you won't answer. What's so bad with winning 8-9 games a year? If a team has the talent to consistently do that then in any of those years they can have things go their way and win 10-11 games.

    Northwestern's a good example, or Kansas State, or Baylor, or Iowa, or....

    No, guess that can't happen at Pitt, nope they can only be failures in the eyes of their "fans" or alumni.

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    1. I really hope that most Pitt fans aren't as nutty as you. I didn't criticize Chryst at all. I said unless he's a great coach he won't win with this talent. And you act like a child. Grow up.

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    2. I would be happy with 8-4 in regular season.
      Next year and thereafter will be much tougher based upon discussions.
      9-ACC games, 1-Big10 or major, leave 2 non-conf

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    3. Ok, anyone can see your trying to play both sides of the fence here and you don't like being called out on it so I guess I'll go grow up now.

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    4. I honestly don't even know what you're argument is. I said that to be excellent you need great talent or a great coach who can win with less than excellent talent. I think that's pretty obvious. But for some reason you are ranting about how I'm trashing Chryst. I don't even know how you made that leap but you're being defensive for nothing. I'm not trashing Chryst by saying he hasn't proven to he great enough to compensate for lesser talent. It's just a fact.

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    5. Try not to let Kent bother you. Pitt could offer him a turd sandwich and he'd eat it.

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  4. Chris, I read the comments and the rants here and it reminds me why I shut down my Pitt blog about five or six years ago. I got sick of the whining of our "fans." More power to you to keep posting despite the response you get.

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    1. I think some Pitt fans need to get out of Pittsburgh and look at the "competition" for recruiting. Campus, on-campus facilities, etc.
      It's a hard sell.
      and I'm not a fan of Chryst recruiting tactics or his coaching abilities. So, I'm not here defending Chryst, just trying to give people a reality check.

      I would be very happy with 8-4 regular season every year. I just don't see that happening. This season, the schedule lines up nicely for that to happen. Look to see if Chryst contract gets extended after the season. That will be the big discussion and it will depend upon how the season goes.

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    2. Excuses. Pitt is considered a major, beautiful university, they have excellent facilities, and play major college football in a marquee conference.

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    3. Every single school Pitt competes against has all of those "advantages." Many of them also have much larger, more rabid fan bases, much higher attendance & donation levels, much nicer facilities & an administration that doesn't cut them off at the knees every time they achieve some success.

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    4. I agree with anonymous here. I'm not saying that it is acceptable for pitt to whiff on all big prospects because it absolutely is not, but without an exceptional recruiter or wins it is going to be an uphill battle for pitt to compete for all of these recruits. The clip at which pitt has been landing big hometown recruits is about as good as we can ask for until pitt starts racking up some more wins, which i think they will start doing in the very near future.

      I find it hard to be upset or disappointed with the calliber of recruits in the 2014 class so far. most of them have offers that are equal to or more impressive than pitt. Even the lesser recruited commits such as kevin givens and dane jackson are considered to be good prospects.

      I want elite recruits as much as the next fan but we have to be realistic here.

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    5. There are many instances of coaches coming into mediocre and bad programs and coming up with a lot of big time players. Kentucky is doing it right now. Vanderbilt did it with James Franklin. WVU is out recruiting Pitt at the moment. So is Northwestern, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Washington State, and Indiana. So I'm not buying any excuses.

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    6. How do you know that any of these players will be any good that Northwestern, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Washington State, and Indiana are recruiting? Pro scouts rate players for a living and how many players flop??? Yes 4 star players are better to have than 2 star players but there are no absolutes. Look what Wanny accomplished with his highly rated classes.

      How is it that Wisconsin and MSU have had lower rated recruiting classes, yet have out performed Pitt? And don't give me those are isolated incidents. Doing it once is a fluke doing it for a long period of time is not. Now how do I know that Chryst can do it as well? I don't, but most of the staff has come from the same Wisconsin winning culture that Chryst came from; Settle, Hueber, Palermo, Rudolph, Kolodziej, Calhoun, Nagy, Turner, Budmayr, Mehlhaff, and Ingels. So if I'm a betting man, I'd say there is a good chance the same results can be done at Pitt. Bostad and Bielema didn't do it by themselves. They've been doing it since the mid 90's

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    7. They did it because of great coaching which has been my damn point from the beginning.

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    8. Maybe if SP extended PC contract recruiting would be better.
      Kids not knowing if he will be here for their careers is a detriment to recruiting , not a plus, it just is not going to help.
      Very few coaches can recruit elite players with their hands tied.

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    9. Chryst can't recruit when he had 4 and 5 years on his contract.
      R U kidding me.
      I wouldn't extend at all.
      It will be determined after the season. Chryst will need to go 8-4 to get an extension.
      Wannstedt was given a 3 year extension after his 3rd season.

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    10. Wanny got that extension because he beat WVU 13-9.

      After Wanny's 2nd season, the 2007 recruiting class had 6 4-star players.
      After Wanny's 3rd season, the 2008 recruiting class had 6 4-star players

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    11. Wannstedt was 11-12 after 2 seasons and still landed 6, 4-star players (2007 class) after the 2nd season.

      Chryst is 13-13 after 2 seasons and hasn't landed ANY 4-star players for the 2015 class.

      That shows the difference of someone who can recruit vs someone who can't!!

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    12. Wow. I didn't know that about Wanny.

      Great comparison.

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    13. Jerry "The Mole"July 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

      Wanny recruited Aliquippa kids from 9th grade on up. Todd Graham cracked the pipeline, Chryst could've repaired it but totally broke it with the Henry, Fields, Swanson debacle. Wanny established a relationship with all three in 9th grade and would've had all three at Pitt without question.

      As someone else stated earlier, our worst 5 recruits the past 2 years cannot play in the ACC. It's hard to build depth or give your starters a good look when you have such a lack of talent, speed, & quality skill players.

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  5. Chris, when I look at this list I think we are only 4 or 5 recruits away for having a 10 win season. With the conference we are in is good not great this gives me hope that Pitt could be in the conversation.

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    1. No doubt. Hopefully Chryst gets them.

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  6. People can't find for Steve Pederson to finally leave Pitt. He's been a cancer for far too long. Hopefully Gallagher will fire him in August

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    1. I think you meant "people can't wait for Steve Pederson to finally leave Pitt". And yes, there are a good number of Pitt fans who feel that way.

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    2. Pederson sucks and not just football. The Olympic sports suck. Wrestling is really good but for the overwhelming advantage they have, should be national champs like 4x psu is.

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  7. It could be a case of the chicken or the egg. Hes gonna have to win with what he has and the top recruits, and the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately, ADD self absorbed, self entitled super stars will come and make it even better. Chris, I hope a season preview/prediction type entry is forthcoming. I am calling 8 wins, regular season

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  8. Just read an article where some of Pitt Olineman are 330#.
    smh
    The ACC isn't slow, stodgy Big10. Fattening them up is NOT the way to go in my opinion. 300-320 with strength, agility, quickness, endurance is the way to go with the Olineman.
    I quick Dline on the opposing side will take those 330# Olineman lunch and eat it. Remember what Aaron Donald did to Cyril Richardson of Baylor at camps. Richardson at 329# dropped from 1-2 rounder to 5th rounder.

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  9. @anonymous--1-2 of the OL are 330#. The rest are predominantly in the weight range you believe is ideal. All reports are they are all (including the 1-2 330# guys) in excellent physical shape and not fat boys. Also, they all have the requisite height to be solid at over 300#s.

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    1. The height is really key. If you look at good O-lineman in the SEC and B1G - and ACC - the guys who are starting and 6'6" tend to be closer to the 330 mark than the 6'2/3" lineman. And all of Chryst's heavy lineman are tall.

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  10. I tend to agree with the point I think Doke is actually making here, which is that you have to be a great game day coach to win with fewer elite players and so far with loses to YSU and Navy there is no evidence at all that Chryst is an above average game day coach. Instead of being 15-11 after years he's 13-13. There are coaches who have recruited lower ranked guys and won at a high level, but have no basis beyond blind faith to believe that Chryst is one of those coaches.

    If he takes a big step forward in his game day coaching this year - which isn't totally out of the question as he's only had two seasons as a head coach total in his entire coaching career at any level - then he'll win enough games to make some improvement in his recruiting and improvements will snow ball, if slowly.

    The final point, and I'd love to get Chris's feedback here, is that it's as much the poor quality of the low end recruits as a lack stars. We bring on a lot more guys that are fringe 3 stars than competitive programs do. The worst 5 recruits in each of Chryst's first two classes have been a lot worse than the lowest 5 guys NC State and UVA are to say nothing of the more dominant schools.

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  11. @anonymous--You state "The worst 5 recruits in each of Chryst's first two classes have been a lot worse than the lowest 5 guys NC State and UVA are to say nothing of the more dominant schools." On what do you base this? "Star Gazing" or on the field performance. I doubt any bottom 5 recruits for any of the programs you site have done anything on the field to distinguish whether they are any better or worse than Chryst's bottom five recruits.

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    1. Star rankings admittedly. But I'm not saying that using one site. It seems to be across the board. I'm routing for Chryst but I think if you look at the 4 major recruiting sites you'll see the same pattern I did.

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  12. Brovado Las Vegas has Pitt over/under at 7.5 wins for regular season.

    Sounds about right.

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  13. When you consider that all 7 of our blue chips are on offense, it's easy to see the huge impact a good defensive coordinator could make. Just think, if we could have a DC who could recruit only half as well as our offensive staff, that'd put us at 11, among pretty good company. But, instead we have House who isn't even allowed to meet recruits anymore. If Chryst gets fired in a couple years, I hope he realizes it's because he's goodawful at evaluating defensive coaches.

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    1. Sorry I'm out of the loop. What do you mean "House isn't even allowed to meet recruits anymore"?

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    2. He's trying to pretend he has inside info, which he doesn't.

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    3. It's called hyperbole, i'll wait while you Google that.

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    4. Oh I see...now you're claiming hyperbole when you're called on trying to act like you're some kind of insider. Nice try.

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    5. I'm posting anonymously on a blogspot.com page, news flash, there's nothing I could write that should suggest that I or anyone else not named Chris Dokish posting here is offering anything other than opinion and bluster. But, the point I was actually making was that House is a bad recruiter and there is a massive deficit of defensive talented being recruited. That is a fact.

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    6. Bluster is a very good word to describe your posts. I couldn't have said it better myself.

      It's not exactly breaking news that House isn't highly regarded as a recruiter. Have you heard? Night follows day!!!

      If you want folks to take you more seriously, don't make statements that attempt to convey that you have some kind of inside scoop. It just makes you look ridiculous.

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  14. Maybe a useless exercise, but lets say for arguments sake that House is fired/leaves after this year. Coordinators frequently dont last more than 2 years. Who should Chryst hire as DC? Ron English comes to mind, since we blew it (I'm sorry, passed) on Todd Orlando.

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    1. Why don't we just wait and see what happens. You're correct; a useless exercise.

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    2. Well we don't need to wait to see that he's a garbage recruiter which should be enough to get home fired alone.

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    3. Home fired? I think you meant "him fired". It's pointless to speculate on a replacement at this juncture.

      We all know you have an anti-Chryst agenda, and you'll post anything to further that.

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    4. I'm not an anti-Chryst guy at all, I'm an anti-House guy. If you could see which posts I've written over the last year+, you would see that. I honestly don't know why anyone is in favor of keeping Matt House as DC. He's done a poor job of recruiting, ruined the productivity of the defensive backs, and couldn't find a way for our defense to take advantage of maybe the best defensive player in the country. That stats produced by out defense minus AD were unequivocally bad.

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    5. I wasn't impressed with the hiring of House, but here are some stats for Pitt's defense from 2013 (Reference: cbssports.com):

      40th against the run: 149.0 yds per game
      41st against the pass: 218.5 yds per game
      70th in points allowed per game
      Defensive ranking: 32nd overall

      Obviously having AD helped tremendously, but one person does not a defense make. These numbers are OK, considering House's inexperience.

      However, he's got a lot more to prove. The defensive recruiting has been disappointing, and he is accountable for that.

      I'm only suggesting that some of the overall numbers are not as horrific as some may think. In fact, the defensive rankings are higher than the offense's.

      Ultimately, Chryst is responsible for House's hiring, and if House does fail, the burden is Chryst's to bear. I say let's give him more time to prove or disprove whether he'll be a capable defensive coordinator.



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    6. Anony 4:36.
      Give House time for what? Get in the real world.
      btw, those numbers SUCK....
      unless you enjoy mediocrity.

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    7. There are roughly 120 Division I teams.....that equates to being in the top 1/3 in rushing and passing yards allowed. Scoring defense isn't good, but 32nd overall is roughly top 1/4.

      I'm still very skeptical of House's ability, and I realize numbers don't tell the entire story, but I'd consider them respectable for a new D coordinator.

      I'd rather be in a world where facts and numbers are relevant.

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    8. Crazy, but we're gonna have to start comparing them to the other 64 power conference teams

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  15. Titus Howard suspended for 2014 football season for disciplinary reasons.

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  16. Don't post why Titus Howard was suspended because there's no way to verify it and I don't want to be responsible for that.

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  17. But the PG must have verified it b/c they reported in today's paper.

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  18. The average-at-best D got a little worse.

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  19. I agree with Chris that we are recruiting for 8-9 win seasons. However let's start stringing a few of these seasons together and even... Gasp!....Overachieve and good things will happen.... When was the last time we overachieved???

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    1. Who said Pitt is recruiting for 8-9 win seasons.
      Ur kidding yourself.
      This season Pitt may get 7-8 wins but that is because how the schedule lines up. Future years are tougher. ACC will go to 9 games + Big5 game. So that leaves 2 cupcakes. Not including ND every 5th year.

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  20. After 3 straight 6-6 seasons, asking for 9 wins is alot after losing what they've lost. The defense has many holes to fill. Remember, 8-9 starters returned on defense last season and look at those results. Now we're replacing AD, Ezele, Hendricks, and what would have been last years back-up corner in Titus Howard with either a freshman or someone who wasn't on the two deep last season. In this case, expect 6-7 wins at best

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  21. Looks like DK is hammering Pitt on recruiting. lol

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    1. If you're a Pitt fan, why would that amuse you?

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    2. He's ctfu because DK is being a realist. When he looks at what the rest of the ACC has and makes a comparison to Pitt, He sees what every other writer and blogger in America sees. Pitt is recruiting like a subpar ACC team.

      I can understand losing the recruiting battle to the Florida State's, Miami's, & Clemson's of the world. As a middle of the pack team, we have to outdo the North Carolina's, Boston College's, Virginia Tech's, & Louisville's. But being outrecruited by NC State and Virginia and their subpar records is unacceptable. NC State pulled in 2 - 4* kids with a 3-9 record. Virginia pulled in 2 - 5* & 2 - 4* kids after a 2-10 record. Pittsburgh's facilities are better than the middle of the pack teams and the subpar teams. So as DK was sayin, with a better record and better facilities as all these teams, the coaches have to take the blame for the subpar recruiting classes that we continue to have.

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    3. I don't have a problem with DK being a realist. I'm just curious why a supposed Pitt fan would derive amusement from it.

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    4. The Trib and PG and Pantherlair tow the Pitt line.

      Everyone knows Pitt sucks at recruiting. DK would never say that when he was employed by PG or Trib.
      Now that he is independent, he tells it like it is. Realist.
      Need more independent media telling it like it is versus cut and past Pitt press releases and breaking out the pom poms.

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    5. As many others have pointed out, UW while Chryst was OC had identical and frequently worse recruiting rankings than Chryst's two classes at Pitt based on stars. UW never had a higher ranked recruiting class than what Chryst got his first class. Not one single time.

      It's been posted on several sites, but UW never finished higher than the mid 30's or so (finished 85th overall one year) in the recruiting rankings even when they won 3 straight big 10 titles and won 10 games a year for 5 years in a row. They won a ton of games with the same type of recruiting Pitt is getting right now. And don't even argue that the big ten is somehow inferior to the ACC, it's not.

      Anyone who is skeptical of PC's approach can find plenty to dislike. But no one can say his ONE recruiting class that has actually played a football game didn't produce incredibly well.

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    6. Correction.
      3 recruiting classes... 2012, 2013, 2014...
      Please see 1st post and replys to 1st post of this thread. smh

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    7. I'll try to use smaller words for you. Paul Chryst took over Fraud's class in 2012, it wasn't his. The 2013 class was his first class - last year's Freshmen. See: Boyd, Tyler; See also: Connor, James.

      The 2014 class (this year's freshmen) who are currently in camp, have never played a college football game.

      So again, we have seen ONE class of players put together by Paul Chryst play college football and they did well, immediately.

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    8. 2012 class is Chryst class.
      Chryst opted not to call recruits before xmas and then coach Rose Bowl.
      If you recall, he pulled some offers to commits, etc and recruited late in the game since it took him forever to gather a staff.
      7 of the 16 recruits sign after Chryst announced.
      Bisnowtowy, Voytik, Shell (all 4star) signed with Graham.

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    9. Paul Chryst was hired on December 22, 2011. All those recruits weren't his but once he took the job, that 2012 class is his

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    10. Jerry,
      Some people are just plain in denial. smh
      Either that or people from Pitt Admin are on the blogs.

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    11. Denial about what? It's pretty pathetic that assume anyone who disagrees with you is a Pitt admin.

      What's the point in coming on these sites I'd all you're going to do is be negative? Just spend your time on WVU blogs, they'll welcome you Pitt baskets with open arms.

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    12. Ur in denial about Chryst's recruiting efforts or lack thereof.
      Geesh!

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    13. No, we simply disagree. He has put together one class so far and they produced. You are denial about what one class can do for a program.

      Tell yourself anything you'd like but you can't argue with the on field results of his only complete class.

      By all means continue to be a Debbie downer and be negative but the only available stats on his ONE complete class say you're wrong.

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    14. Seriously, 6-6 is producing??
      Boyd was a 5 star. Yes, stars matter. This article is about Pitt needing more 4+ stars in each recruiting year. Pitt isn't getting them.

      But you can justify Chryst 2012, 2013, 2014 recruiting classes anyway you want. Just put your head in the sand if you don't want to look at the FACTS.

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    15. There is a difference between one class's production and the team's overall success. Here's a fact for you. 12 freshmen played last year and we have the youngest team in all of FBS, per analysis by the University of Colorado.

      I know what the OP is about, and I was writing in response to another poster's comment. Here's another fact, Tyler boyd was not a five star recruit, he was a 4 star recruit by every service. Learn to use Google.

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    16. Voytik, Bisnowaty, Bradley, Holtz, Render, Coles, Porchia, Pardner, Lewis, Roberts, Caprara, & Jarrett. The 2012 class has only had one coach - Paul Chryst. To dismiss them as not being his class is unfair to them. You can't say that's not his class just because Shell, Rippey, The Davis Twins, & Jackson transferred. When PC became a coach, the commits could have all backednout and went elsewhere, most chose to stay. That 2012 class has to be included in your analysis. With the 2014 class, it's hard to say who will have an impact so far because it seems as if a majority of the starters are not participating in camp because they're injured ( fake pulled hamstrings, week long cramps, amongst other bogus injuries). With 2014 is getting their reps but PC's loyalty will be with the starters regardless.

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    17. How can you include a guy like Voytik who was not recruited by Chryst, as Chryst's recruit? A Chryst recruit would be someone who verbally pledged to Chryst, not before he got here. What Chryst does with him is a different story. If Voytik develops Chryst gets all the coaching credit.

      As far as 2014 it is hard to say who will be an impact player but the odds of having many are stacked against Pitt based on historical star recruiting rankings correlating to major success. pghfan1992.

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    18. 7 of 16 verbally pledged to Chryst in 2012.
      Some had their offers pulled.
      Others, like Voytik, waited and recommitted. As did Shell, Bis, etc.
      If Chryst didn't want Shell, Bis, Voytik, (all 4 star) he would have pulled the offer like he did with others.
      Some people just don't want to be held accountable and make excuses for Chryst.

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    19. I include Voytik because as a Graham recruit, he could have left and went to Arizona State or elsewhere. He chose to stay on board with Coach Chryst and Pitt. How can you exclude him. Gabe Roberts was originally a Wisconsin recruit before Coach Chryst got him to follow

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    20. Exactly @2:53. When a new HC takes over he has to try to hold as many of the previous coaches recruits together as he can and get any low hanging fruit he might be able to gather. You cant give a coach 6 weeks to evaluate players and recruit players that late in the cycle and expect that class to look anything like the kids he would have brought in if he had a year to create the class from the bottom up. It is quite simply absurd.

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    21. R U saying, Chryst would not want 4star Voytik, Bis, Shell???
      That is 3 of the 9 that he was able to keep.
      7 of the 16 were Chryst commits so that is 44% of the class. Add the 3 4star players and you have 10 of 16 or 63% of the class clearly Chryst recruits.
      The 3 4star had other options but chose to stick with Chryst.
      2012 is a Chryst class. But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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    22. No, what I'm saying is that he would have chosen different kids to surround them! with He had 6 weeks to find a few other guys to put around the blue chips he was able to keep. With all the holes on the roster is it really your contention that he took a class of only 16 players because he had a lot of options?

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    23. There were only 18 available scholarships in 2012 if I recall.
      Do you know who the 7 were? Many players that were evaluated when Chryst at Wisky and they didn't committ anywhere yet... Roberts switched.

      The 7 were:
      Bradley, Caparra, Holtz, Jackson, Lewis, Rippy, Robert.
      Holtz originally committed to PSU.
      Jackson and Rippy transferred. Rippy currently 2nd string LB at Colorado and was 4star out of Sto-Rox.

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    24. We'll just keeping doing this forever, I guess. We're a young team, hopefully Chryst turns the corner this season and get to 8 wins and we build from there.

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  22. Anonymous @ 6:56 am....it's "toe the line", not tow the line.

    I like DK, and for anything to improve, it needs to be honestly analyzed. For an organization to improve, all aspects need to be constantly scrutinized, and improved upon.

    Recruiting is the lifeblood of college football, and it should be a top priority for any program. There should be an ongoing effort to make it as strong as possible, and if it's falling short, then make every effort to make it better.

    If the recruiting does improve, I wonder if the constantly negative posters will give credit where its due? I won't hold me breath waiting for that to happen.

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    1. People are constantly negative because the program has been stagnant, at best, since Wanny left. Where are the positive signs that would inspire a fan base? Where are the next HOF players, they are not on this team! Maybe some really good college players, but no world-beaters.

      The exceptional play of Donald has been heralded at Pitt by the fans and media and the pollsters. When something positive happens I believe Pitt fans show the appropriate positive responses. We take pride in our alums who are NFL stars, in our past....but we have no inspiration right now. I think we can win 10 this year, and I'm probably crazy. I think Pitt fans should be a bit negative, and skeptical, until the current AD and the coaching staff shows us something. Go Pitt, PLEASE show us something.

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    2. The program has regressed since Wanny departed.

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    3. Anonymous@ 7:55...I have no problem with people being critical of Pitt football. It's been mediocre for a long time, and deserves criticism.

      I'm referring to those whose posts are only critical, without ever a positive comment. This program needs objective analysis, whereby both the negative and positive are noted, not just constant negativity.

      It's easy to spot people with an agenda, they're unable to objectively analyze.

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    4. The biggest negativity surrounds recruiting.
      It started from Day 1 when Chryst had a 24 hr window to contact recruits and DID NOT. Wisky and Rose Bowl was more important.

      The 2nd biggest negativity is the coaching staff on how they were all linked to Chryst in some way. Only this year has some outsiders come into the program. What HC in any of the Major 5 conferences would promote House to DC. Everyone called that a bad move. Recruiting on the defensive side of the ball is just plain awful. Recruiting on the offensive side of the ball has been good. And I forgot to mention the S&C coach that is a sociology major without any credentials except he played under Chryst at Wisky!

      College football is 2/3 recruiting and 1/3 coaching. I don't see any upside with Chryst at the helm. We will see if he gets extended after the season.

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  23. If Voytik does not become a near elite QB this year this team and coach are doomed. The D has no depth and is going to be average at best. The offense will only go as far as Voytik takes them. If he proves to be capable and comes up big at the end games Pitt will be a 7-9 win team the next few years, just enough to keep Chryst employed. With average QB play and a propensity to lose close ones, Chryst will be fired within the next 2 years.

    Voytik's play will be the one main key to Chrysts' success here. Period. There is no QB behind him, the best side of the ball is the offense and without a good QB the potential will be stifled, and if he fails a true freshman will be the QB.

    Chryst did not bring in a QB in 3 years to compete for the job. I hope Voytik is wildly successful but only time will tell.

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  24. Anonymous 2:41

    Step back from the edge. It'll be OK.

    PittofDreams

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  25. I get a good laugh at the guy that points to star rankings as "FACT" when in fact it's nothing but someone's OPINION. The opposite.

    Pitt2Cali

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    1. Pitt2Cali, he gives us all a good laugh. His idea of a fact is his opinion.

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    2. But there is no denying what college "offered" the player. That is fact.
      MAC/Patriot League offers only.
      vs SEC/ACC/Big10 offers.
      Star ratings and quality of offers correlate.

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    3. I think we can agree that star ratings matter. His point was that the ratings are an opinion of a particular player, and not some objective fact. Ratings, while they do matter, are subjective.

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  26. Don't look at the ranking. Look at the average stars committed (asc). Rankings include the number of recruits committed as a variable. If you have 30 commits you are goning to have a higher ranking. Clemson, FSU, and Miami have superior numbers, but the rest of the ACC is very close on the asc number.

    Clemson - 3.55 average star per commit
    FSU - 3.63
    Miami - 3.24
    GT - 2.95
    NC - 3.13
    Duke - 3.05
    BC - 2.70
    VA - 2.71
    Cuse - 2.41
    Pitt - 2.83
    L'ville - 2.92
    Va Tech - 3.09
    Wake - 2.56
    NC State - 2.80

    These numbers are according to Rivals. The recruits being brought in, for the most part are on par with the rest of the ACC. We are talking about a .30 difference between Pitt and the number 4 team, Duke. There is also a .30 swing between Pitt and the 13th team, Wake. If you take into account the inexact science that is player ranking, a .30 swing is negligible. YES, I would like to get a couple of 4 stars in this class, but its not like they are getting crushed in recruiting like some of us would claim.

    PittDad

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  27. The truth is, Pitt's recruiting is not as bad or as good as people are saying in here. It's in between. It's "good", no better, no worse. It's good enough to be a top 25 team but probably not a top 15 team. But of course things could go right in a season and that could happen, but realistically Pitt under Chryst will probably win 7 or 8 regular season games most years.

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    1. And Pitt history tells you,
      7 to 8 regular seasons wins will get Chryst fired.
      8 wins in regular season will not be Top 25.
      Pitt needs to land 4-5 4star players every year to get over 8 regular season wins per year.

      Last season, Pitt was 3-5 in the ACC.

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    2. Top 25 may be a stretch. Pitt hasn't finished in the Top 25 since 2009.

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    3. There have obviously been extenuating circumstances since 2009.

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    4. Indeed Doke,

      1. Definitely moving from the Big East to the ACC
      2. The SEC is taking up 7-8 spots a year. You always have a MAC, MWC, O
      or some crazy school from a subpar conference in there. That leaves about 15 spots between the BIG 10, BIG 12, PAC 10 & ACC. Meaning, to be ranked you have to finish in the top 3-4 in your conference.

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    5. I don't agree @8:15. If Chryst keeps the program clean and out of the news and wins 8 games a year, he'll be coach for quite a while. The admin would have gladly kept Wannstedt based only on wins, it was the off the field stuff that sealed the deal. So unless Chryst's guys starting causing trouble for Pitt's image he'll be fine IF he's capable of getting to that 8 win mark consistently.

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    6. "IF" he keeps it clean...
      but he hasn't. Last year, drug bust, KK, QB from Ohio, etc
      Internal suspensions.
      Even suspensions this year.
      It's inevitable there will be problems. That is the nature of football players. It will be interesting to see if Chryst gets extended after the season. It will depend upon how many wins (8 min) and quality of wins (ie. Wanny kept his job because he beat WVU 13-9)

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    7. KK wasn't his recruit and neither were any of the people in the drug bust. Chapman certainly was (and he was kicked off the team despite how much we needed a QB). The internal suspensions have been for things undisclosed in the media which is literally the key here for better or worse. It's not fair to equate Chryst's problems with the number of issues we had under Wannstedt. And I'm not saying there can be none or even that Chryst has reached the point of being a clean program. I'm just saying that if Chryst runs a clean program (by modern P5 standards) then he'll need fewer wins to keep his job.

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    8. Wanny was extended before the WVU game and didn't come close to winning 8 games in year 3 (5-7). So there's obviously something else at play.

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  28. I believe the extenuating circumstances he was referring to were 913 head coaches we had in a two year span, Jerry.

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      I understood that, I was adding on to his comment, lol

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  29. I agree, and while I've never been a coach, I would think if he can win 8 games each of the next two years and finish 2/3 in the ACC coastal the recruiting might get a little a easier - I'm not talking about being Alabama, but going from four (last year) 4 stars to six makes a big difference cumulatively and should be do able. Being able to walk in and tell a guy he's one of the last pieces you need to win a coastal title is a lot easier when you've won some games for a change. The other thing on recruiting is that the bottom of Chryst's classes have been very soft - lots of 2 star guys with no other P5 offers. That has to change.

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  30. What I've noticed this season.... NO Excitement leading into Season 2 of ACC.
    Part of that is on Chryst.
    Part on Pitt marketing department.
    Last season with FSU to start the season was a big deal.
    Now all sorts of "ticket deals" that they are practically giving them away.

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    1. Blah, blah blah

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    2. Hey 2:29.
      Now that really excited me for the upcoming season!!
      Thanks...

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    3. Your constantly negative comments aren't even worth responding to with any type of thought. We all know who you are, and the only worthy response is the three word one above. The relentless negative blather is so played, predictable, and boring.

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  31. I'm sure the excitement last year had nothing to do with FSU, ND, UNC and Miami playing at Heinz Field...

    People like you are why don't need to play WVU - we have enough haters in our "fan base" as it is.

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  32. I wouldn't say I'm excited about the upcoming season, but I'm looking forward to it nonetheless. I want to see if PC grows as a head coach, if the program moves forward, etc.

    I realize the schedule isn't the most glamorous, but I think a true Pitt fan can at least look forward to see if the program makes any strides.

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  33. Rowan to Monteverde Academy in FL.
    Makes sense.
    He won't get better feasting on Single A competition. Surprised LP didn't move up to Double A at least!
    Consider him a goner. Probably UNC or Duke.

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  34. Will his dad be coaching him there too?

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  35. Just so people don't freak out, Rowan hasn't decided yet about transferring and there's nothing that says he would decommit from Pitt.

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  36. Chris have you been following camp? Universal description of Voytik and the QB situation in Saturday's scrimmage as a disaster. Sounds like Voytik is really not at all ready to be a starting QB. Which is pretty sad given his recruiting level and 2 years in the system.

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    1. He hasn't been great but the season hasn't started yet. I wouldn't panic yet. But like I've said before, if he fails then Pitt could be in big trouble this year.

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  37. Not a position of need really, but any chance we pick up Darrin Hall this week?

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    1. I think Pitt will get him in about 30 minutes.

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    2. Chris, was OSU not into him? If not, why?

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    3. They can recruit even better players, to be honest.

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    4. Pitt is recruiting well on offense as noted with Hall commit.

      but the recruiting for defense is absolutely in shambles.
      Don't really need another RB. We are in DIRE need of DB's. Could use beef on the Dline also. Also need another QB. But Pitt only has 2-3 more offers to accept.
      Offense has lots of depth but we are kidding ourselves with the defense for 2014 and 2015 season.

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  38. Hall committed. Rivals has him a 4 star.

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  39. With Hall's commitment does this mean that Conner is going to defensive end full time next year? We seem to be overloading at running back if Conner is going to be on offense for the next two years. It would make sense to make the change next year full time to give him at least two years at the position to prepare him for the NFL if that is in the cards.

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    1. I had the same reaction, honestly. I think he's best suited for DE (for the NFL and us), but he's been good at RB too. Assuming he stays there though, there's less of a glut than it seems. Bennett is gone after this year, Ibrahim his a 3rd down back, Briggs probably gets buried on the bench or moved to DB, Ollison and James could be both be redshirted this year. We're looking at 2 Jr.s in Connor and Ibrahim, two rsfr/so in James and Ollison, and two true freshmen who will also potentially be redshirted. 6 serviceable runningbacks isn't a problem really especially when 4 are underclassman. And I frankly don't know what to expect from Poteat who'll be a 5th year next year right? But still, hardly a problem.

      Now if we could just land CB Jordan Whitehead, S Jay Stocker, DE Shareef Miller/Austrian Robertson, and LB Saleem Brightwell we'd have a helluva class and easily Chryst's best. That'd be 17 by my count and on the high side what we expect from this class.

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  40. Welcome to Pitt Darrin, and congrats to the staff for landing a 4 star recruit. Let's hope the recruiting services are correct in their assessment, and he lives up to the 4 star rating.

    Interesting to note that one of the other finalists was Kentucky. Stoops, Stoops, Stoops, what happened???

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    1. If I had to guess, I'd say location. Eastern Ohio should be fertile territory for Chryst, there are two 4 stars in youngstown this year and we got one the other is going to KY. Its only an hour and 15 or so away from Pitt, hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

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    2. Regardless of location, he still picked Pitt over Kentucky. Granted, Pitt is closer, but KY is not that far away.

      It just goes to show that a lot of factors go into a recruits choice of school, some of which are beyond a coach's control.

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  41. Nice story on Pitt's Head Coach by ESPN.

    If nothing else... Chryst does KNOW HIMSELF. Tailors his approach to his own strengths.

    PittofDreams

    http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/73285/open-door-policy-paying-off-for-chryst

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  42. Trent Coles leaves the program.
    The defense is in shambles especially at the DB positions.
    It's going to be a long season fellas. Cross your fingers nobody on defense gets hurt.
    8 regular season wins is a stretch at the moment.

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    1. Anonymous 5:16 - yeah, we lost a 3rd string corner behind Mitchell and Maddox - what will we ever do?!?

      Apparently he couldn't cut the competition - See Ya!

      Frees up another scholarship - these things are happening all over camps right now...relax.

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    2. So a kid who wasn't good enough to play quits the team, and somehow that means the season is in jeopardy?

      Yes, it'll hurt depth-wise, but take a breath brother.

      This seems like a move by a kid with maturity issues. Best of luck to him, but sounds like he's got some growing up to do.

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  43. Coles QUIT the team

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    1. There goes the Clairton pipeline.
      Coles Quits. Howard suspended.

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    2. Would you still take the Clairton pipeline over the Aliquippa pipeline?

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  44. You guys realize he quite the team because he wasn't going to play much, right? He got passed up by a transfer and TRUE freshmen. He got passed by, he wasn't good enough to play, at a depleted position when he was the only one with experience.

    I wish him well, but lets not pretend this is a thing. And I'm sure the Clairton kids will remember there's another one of them on Pitt's roster who is not exactly struggling.

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    1. Coles was recruited to play WR.
      He is PIAA 100m champion.
      He was moved to DB and that was not a good fit for Coles.

      He wasn't recruited by Chryst. The "transfer" from Wisky and the "frosh" were recruited by Chryst. Clearly Chryst is playing his recruits over others as he did last year whether that is right or wrong is purely speculation.

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    2. At least you're consistent, Joe.

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    3. Yes I am Dokes.
      I'm consistent.
      Frankly, those that cheer when a player signs an LOI or commits... then calls that player a bum because he transfers bogels my mind.
      I like Coles albeit he is injury prone since. He was never the same since his injury in the PIAA HS championship game. Being 165# doesn't help either.

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    4. I know this might be a radical thought, but maybe Chryst is playing the players who give the team the best chance to win. Or maybe the players he recruited are better fits for the program. Or maybe the coaches were trying to motivate Coles by bumping him down, and instead of working harder, he quit.

      Let's just get the best players on the field.

      By the way 8:46, it's "boggles", not bogels.

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    5. I'm sick of all the homers complaining every time some local kid can't cut it and doesn't getting playing or leaves the team for disciplinary reasons. It's really pathetic, we're not the local high school, we don't have the play the guy who lives closest to Pitt, and if a Clairton kid decides that he's more Coles than Boyd that's on him. The best guy plays, period, do you think these local kids are going to get more time at a school with even more depth and no homers bitching at the coach about "pipelines"? Not a chance.

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    6. @anonymous 6:36
      You do know that the kid that beat him out is also a local kid from Shadyside Academy?

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    7. I believe his point is that some people complain if a local kid from a "pipeline" school isn't installed as the starter, as if to suggest that it'll somehow disrupt the pipeline.

      The best players should be the starters, whether they're local or not. That the kid who beat him out is a local doesn't really matter. It's the fact that he was the better player.

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    8. Don't know if they were the "better" player. That is subjective.
      However, the 2 players were recruited by Chryst. Coles was not. That is fact.

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    9. It's a fact that the coaches have made a subjective judgment that Coles is not the best player. That's the only judgment that matters; whether you feel that way is irrelevant.

      And who gives a rip about which coach recruited which player? Talk about focusing on the petty and minute.

      Let's be concerned about the bottom-line result of winning and losing.

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    10. Oxymoron my friend.
      Its a fact.... made a subjective judgement.
      Who gives a rip on which coach recruited the player... well the players care. obviously. Because those not recruited by Chryst are all transferring. Has nothing to do with talent.
      Ask Cam Saddler.

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    11. You don't know that it has nothing to do with talent. You're a homer who's probably never left Allegheny County, but believe it or not, they actually do play football in other places. Voytik is just as much a non-Chryst player and he just got named starter, like non-Chryst player Clemmings and on and on.

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    12. As if he has any choices with Voytik at QB. Lol
      It wouldn't surprise me if the Frosh QB is 1st string next year.
      The non-Chryst recruits that transfered out number the non-Chryst recruits that are starters.
      And on defense, many of the starters don't have competition because House can't recruit. They barely have enough for a 2nd team for DB's.

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    13. Anon@6:55....it's not an oxymoron....it's a fact that the coaches have decided that Coles is not the best player, a decision which is based on their subjective judgment. Coles was determined not to be good enough, and won't be a starting DB for Pitt. That is a fact resulting from a subjective judgment. Is that really so hard to understand?

      So all of the players not recruited by Chryst are transferring? Really? So there are no players remaining on the team who weren't recruited by Chryst? And I guess we'll hear, well it was just hyperbole, right?

      I imagine such trivial things really only matters to people like you.

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    14. They transferred out because they weren't good enough, not one is missed.

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    15. Shell and Rippy are vying for starting time at WVU and CU and they are clearly "good enough". Just say'in.

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  45. Coles apparently quit because he was beaten out for a starting role. Good luck to him elsewhere. His ship will be useful to expand the current recruiting class.

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  46. On a POSITIVE note… TJ Clemmings exceeding even my expectations by being named OFFENSIVE CAPTAIN.

    However TJs right on track though to fulfill my prediction from last year projecting him as an NFL DRAFT PICK… possibly as high as the 3rd or 4th Round.

    Still a SECRET to many that Clemmings in his first year on Offense was Pitt’s MOST CONSISTENT Lineman.

    But there will be NO SECRET this year as to just HOW GOOD he really is.

    PittofDreams

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  47. Rowan just announced he is transferring to some HS in Florida.
    However, its not Monteverde. Nutty.
    Maybe his Dad got a coaching position. I'm sure there is more to the story.

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    1. Rowan Dad is an assistant coach at the Florida HS.
      Consider Rowan gone unless Pitt will offer his Dad an assistant coach position.

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    2. Doke, not to be funny, but Rowan has only played for his dad since 4th grade on every level possible including aau and even streetball.

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    3. Well his dad isn't coaching college ball at the moment.

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    4. Dokes, Follow the money.
      Adidas sponsers the AAU team Mav plays on and Dad coaches. It is the only AAU team/program that Adidas sponsers in the USA.
      Adidas give Dad a sales rep job in Florida.
      Pitt uniforms are Nike.
      I expect Mav to go to an Adidas sponsered college. Who knows what money Mav can get with the new ruling of O'Bannon, etc.
      I'm sure Sonny Vaccaro and Dad spoke. Sonny and Ron go way back. Sonny last with Adidas.

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  48. To the folks who tried to say [in an earlier post] that Pitt doesn't have the campus to recruit top athletes and we lose out on recruits because of it, I offer you this. And I say this as an anonymous poster with no pride attached saying I turned down Michigan and two Ivy League schools to come to Pitt because of how awesome it was to be on Pitt's campus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UUWkQnvD4c

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  49. Trenton Cole has great length for a CB and he has great speed but the truth is, he's not a very good football player at the moment, and he may never be very good. The fact that he entered camp as the starter is not a good sign for Pitt. But what is a good sign is that Avonte Maddox is already a better player.

    Bottom line, Pitt will not lose one game because Cole is not playing. Players all over the county fail and move on. Pitt is no different. In the long run, it's best that he's moving on because now Pitt has a chance to add somebody that can play.

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    1. Round hole, square peg.
      Some players don't have position flexibility. He was a WR that was converted to CB.
      The only issue is how this (Coles & Howard) will affect recruiting Mathews and Wade from Clairton.

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    2. He was no WR, trust me. Other schools will not be dying to pick him up. He's also been a major project. And if they don't get Wade or Matthews it's because they're not great recruiters, not because Cole's left.

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    3. The day Coles announced, the Clairton HS coach got calls from 3 colleges. I'm sure D2 in PA but perhaps a MAC school or local FCS.
      Regardless, he will still be able to get a college education for free.

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  50. Pitt has a crisis at the DB position similar to the Oline the last 2 years.
    Pitt should have 15 scholarship players at DB position on the roster.
    Pitt has 11 (counting Howard).
    Pitt will lose 1 (Vinopal) but add possibly 3 incoming (Henderson, Jackson, Tipton) for next season. Those 3 average 6'0" and 170# if Rivals profile is to be believe. Skinny for ACC.
    However, there are no "stars" on the roster nor any "star" DB commits.
    Not landing Henry or Nicholsen last year hurt. I highly doubt Pitt lands Whitehead.
    The lack of recruiting elite on defense is on House and Chryst. However, the recruiting on the offensive side of the ball has been good/acceptable by Pitt standards. The question will be for 2014 and 2015, can the defense keep Pitt in the game.
    Look at the Steelers secondary. Everyone was clamoring for a CB as 1st Round draft pick. Albeit Shazier is good, the secondary was pathetic at Philly and Buffalo. Basically Steeler draft came across as: We will reduce passing yard defense by putting pressure on the QB instead of drafting CB's. 1st round was Shazier at LB and 2nd round was Tuitt at DE. So far that doesn't look like that was a smart decision.

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    1. Absolutely, both of those young men would be starting in all likelihood this season, and their talent would've really helped. We have to recruit better on defense.

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    2. Coles reportedly off to Utah State.

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    3. What. A Clairton kid? Morman land!

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  51. Another non-Chryst recruit kicked to the curb.
    Nick Grigsby.
    Frosh Wirginis from Fox Chapel is 2nd string. We all know Wirginis is not that great. smh.

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    1. Sounds like a Joe D posting.

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    2. I'd bet money on it. He'll find any reason to be negative. The best thing to do is either ignore his posts, or consider the source.

      I'm not sure I get how being named special teams captain, and a substitute LB is being kicked to the curb. Are you implying that Chryst has an agenda against players he didn't recruit? Maybe Grigsby isn't good enough to be an every down player.

      I'll trust the coaches judgment. They see these players every day, and while coaches do sometimes make mistakes, I'll defer to them rather than some wannabe poster.

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  52. Is Grigsby off the team, or not on the two deep? Because Grigsby was just named a Captain. It doesn't appear "we all know" anything. Grigs has not been a difference maker at all at LB, but I guess "we all know" more than the coaches and the stat book.

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    1. He was on the 2 deep, not anymore.
      Captain? Special Teams?
      Vinopal is captain for defense.

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    2. Yeah, he's the special teams Captain. He'll see time at rush end in third down situations, per notes from camp, but he's just not an every down LB.

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  53. So yeah, Grigsby is listed as a starter after all - he's a "Freeze" linebacker which is apparently his nickname and what they're calling the hybrid rush end/lb position he played in the bowl game, which as you might recall was pretty successful. Guess there's nothing to see here after all, SMH. I'm sure you'll be able to find other reasons to be an anti-Chryst homer though.

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  54. “I like playing guard better,” (Dorian) Johnson said. “I like the tighter space where I can use my strength a bit more. I feel settled into left guard this year and I'm getting more and more comfortable the longer I spend there.” - Trib Review

    Next stop could be Center.

    PittofDreams

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