Thursday, July 3, 2014

Jamie Dixon against the best coaches in the country

ESPN recently ranked Jamie Dixon a too low No. 25 when ranking the best college basketball coaches in the country. Dixon coached against twelve of the coaches ranked in front of him, and he has a record of 36-29 against them. He had a winning record against five of the twelve, he is even with four, and only three of the coaches has a winning record against him. And one of those he only met once.

3. Tom Izzo  0-1
4. Mike Krzyzewski 1-1
5. Rick Pitino 5-7
7. Bo Ryan 2-1
8. Gregg Marshall 1-1
9. John Beilen 4-4
10. Kevin Ollie 1-0
11. Sean Miller 1-0
12. Jim Boeheim 10-6
14. Tony Bennett 0-2
16. Roy Williams  1-1
19. Jay Wright 10-5

6 of the 24 coaches ranked higher than Dixon have also not been to the Final Four:

11. Sean Miller
14. Tony Bennett
15. Fred Hoiberg
17. Mark Few
22. Tommy Amaker
24. Bob McKillop

4 of those- Bennett, Hoiberg, Few, and Amaker- never made the Elite 8.

105 comments:

  1. I think it's very difficult to rank guys down to #25 or more. Hell, we'd even dispute the Top 5 probably. In any case, we know what we have in JD and I certainly appreciate it, whether he be #10 or #25. As for a few of the names, it seems a little early to be talking about Ollie, Miller, Hoiberg and Amaker. Plus, where is Shaka on this list?

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    1. Smart was way too high at No. 13

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    2. agreed. i'm not sold on havoc yet.

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    3. Smart "way too high" at #13? Hard to argue what he has done at a traditional non-power school in a non-power conference. I'm not sure many guys could have done what he has done.

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  2. Jerry "The Mole"July 3, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Pitt needs to bring Archie Miller home to coach

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    1. If meant as a joke, this is really funny. If you are serious, than it's absolutely hysterical.

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    2. Jerry "The Mole"July 5, 2014 at 4:07 AM

      Well, the joke is on Dixon. Archie Miller has made it to the Great 8 with the Dayton Flyers (A MID MAJOR) and it only took him 3 years to accomplish that. In 10 years at Pitt (A MAJOR COLLEGE), Jamie Dixon has accomplished the same feat only ONCE. Why not go with the hot young coach

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    3. One year means nothing. Nothing at all. The jury is still out on Archie.

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    4. Plus, for all accounts Archie would not come back to coach at Pitt. Arizona is considered a better basketball coaching job than Pitt.

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    5. You're confusing Archie (Dayton) and his brother Sean (Arizona).

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    6. The concept of wanting Archie Miller over Dixon is absolutely laughable.

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    7. Once again the mole weighs in with an inane suggestion.

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    8. Jerry "The Mole"July 9, 2014 at 4:39 PM

      One thing that's commendable about Dixon is his loyalty to Pitt. He's had many opportunities to leave but stayed at Pitt. By sticking with Pitt, Dixon can earn the same respect of a Jim Boeheim, Jim Calhoun. These guys didn't accomplish what Dixon has in their first 10 years, but they did have success later in their coaching careers, which could also happen with Dixon

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    9. Is that the Dayton that plays in front of an average of about 13,000 per night that you are callng "mid-major'? Yeah, they made the Elite 8 last year.

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    10. Jerry "The Mole"July 16, 2014 at 7:46 PM

      If you're not in a power 5 conference, you're usually on the outside looking in.

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  3. Our constant wetting the bed in near tourney when it counts has probably been the reason for the ranking. I am OK with it. We have lost to a lot of lower seeds in the tournament and have underachieved. I would put him a couple spots higher but not by much...

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  4. Didn't Dixon beat Tony Bennett in Newark, NJ when Tony was the coach od Wash. State?

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  5. I think Dixon ranked at #25 is about right.
    I would say between 20-25 seems right based upon Dixon body of work.
    Have to look at the criteria for ranking. How many years did they look at? Seems only recent data.
    For Ollie to be on the list is surprising.
    Roy Williams at #16 is surprising.
    Boeheim ranked behind Beilen, C'mon man.
    and so on.

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    1. I agree with you. They're looking at recent data and the last 3 years, Dixon's squads have been entirely forgettable.

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  6. 25th sounds about right to me. According to your own post, he's barely .500 against the rest of the top 25. He also does a poor job of developing or recruiting NBA talent.

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  7. A couple of points re:Dixon's--

    1. Most of the lower seeds lost to should not have really been lower seeds based on talent--especially if you go by Sagarin or other computer rankings which by the time of the tourney tend to b e far more accurate than the human polls. There has been at least some degree of bad luck involved in the opponents Pitt has drawn in the first two rounds.

    2. IMHO, expanding on the first point--the post season lack of greater success also has not really been a function of coaching ( i.e., Xs and Os). Besides the frequent bad luck of the draw It also has been a function of the level of recruiting. That is reflected in the number of guys who have gotten to the NBA. Two on the elite 8 team (almost final 4 team) was the most future NBA talent he has ever had on the same squad. Give him the same talent as those coaches ranked higher and I believe he would do just as well as any of them. He just isn't the pied piper some of these guys are.

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    1. Well, Jamie is actually responsible for recruiting the talent on his squads. You act as though he doesn't have any bearing on his own recruiting.

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  8. If fans are content with 20 wins and an occassional sweet 16, then there is no need to call for him to be replaced.

    But he is who he is - his level of recruiting does not indicate anything better than the occassional sweet 16 so I think he may be a little low at #25 but he's certainly not anywhere the likes of Izzo Pitino Calipari and the like who consistently get past the sweet 16.

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  9. Even if you aren't content with regular 20 win seasons and the occasional sweet 16, you had better learn to be content with it and hope for a lucky breakthrough year because--

    1. The Pitt Admin will never can Dixon as long as he doesn't start producing a string of consecutive losing seasons.

    2. If the Admin did get rid of Dixon in search of better results, the chances are far far greater that the outcome would be Pitt returning to perennial loser status vs joining the Kentuckys, Louisvilles UConns, etc in making frequent trips to the final 4 and beyond.

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    1. I have given up hope that Dixon will ever reach the Final Four but I am glad he runs a clean program, stresses academics, and has maintained his stellar reputation (just look at persona non gratis buddy Howland whose reputation suffers from mishandling players at UCLA).

      You're right. Pitt is never going to do anything but appreciate Dixon as long as he fields competitive teams.

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    2. It's hard to get to the Final 4 so the odds are always low but it's crazy to give up on it happening. Pitt has an excellent coach, they're in a marquee conference, they're recruiting great, and they're overall in excellent shape as a program. It's not like Pitt is Towson State.

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    3. Seeing is believing. When first year coaches do it, it can't be as Herculean a task as you make it to be in your constant cheer leading for Dixon's program.

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  10. Pitt non-con schedule is out. Below is list of team plus Sagarin April 7 ranking. There are 351 D1 teams.
    Niagara - 267
    Samford - 320
    St. Bonnie - 85
    Manhattan - 63
    Oakland - 198
    HolyCross - 158
    FloridaGC - 169
    Bryant - 205
    Indiana - 54
    Duquesne - 153
    Hawaii - 141
    Plus 3 others from Maui classic
    Average rank of the 11 teams is 164.
    I don't know how this compares to the past 2 years. Kentucky, for example, has a much stronger non-con last year and this year. We know how they ended up last year.

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    1. I agree that the list you have laid out is pretty mediocre...except for the 3 games in Maui. Here are those teams, also with their corresponding Sagarin rankings:

      Arizona - 2
      San Diego St - 18
      Kansas St - 45
      BYU - 52
      Missouri - 67
      Purdue - 83
      Chaminade - doesn't matter, they are DII and their RPI won't count when calculating Pitt's strength of schedule.

      The average is 44.5. I think the potential opponents in Maui, plus the away game at Indiana, means that Pitt, for the first time in several years, has a legitimate non-conference schedule for 2014-2015.

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    2. I've been critical of their scheduling in the past but there's nothing at all wrong with this schedule.

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  11. Random comment here. I was talking with another Pitt fan out here in eastern PA about Alex Hornibrook (Malvern Prep) this year's QB commitment as compared to Adam Bertke who will be a QB freshmen this year (who I was unfamiliar with). I saw Hornibrook last year in person and I thought he looked good, decent size, stays in the pocket, and seemed like a good pick up. I've done a little research and watched the video on Bertke and he seems like a very solid pickup. Maybe this is a known opinion among my fellow Pitt fans, but when you see his height at 6'6/7" and his deep ball timing coupled with the way the ball pops off his arm (as compared with Hornibrook for example) he really could be quite a good QB. I don't expect him to be taking over for Voytik, but he has the tools, and his video really impressed me. I know he played in a small classification in Ohio, but I have to say, I was pretty impressed.

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  12. Watching his Hudl video, he actually reminds me of another 6'6" 3 star Pitt QB recruit named Joe Flacco.

    Doke, can you explain why Hornibrook is a better fit for Pitt than Brumbaugh? Watching their videos they seem very similar. Will Brumbaugh eventually get an offer from Pitt?

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  13. Doubtful. Hornibrook has better arm and more athletic.

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    1. Do you think they'll add a second QB to this class? Seems like they're already offering several 2016 QBs. If they do bring another QB on, who do you think it will be?

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    2. I don't think they will. They think class is too small for two QBs.

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    3. That's fair, and makes sense since there's only about 4 spots left.

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  14. What are his records against those gjuys in March?

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  15. What have you done lately? These ratings of best coaches are like any other poll ... to be taken with a grain of salt. I see Ollie rated high after only 2 seasons and using Calhoun's recruits. How high would Steve Fisher have been rated in 1990?

    I have a feeling that JD will return to the Top 15 in another season or two.

    As far as JD being let go ... there should have been some lessons lately (locally) about winning coaches being fired without a guarantee that a better candidate is available for replacement. (The latest example is our local hockey team .. both the coach & GM. Maybe it will work out well, but right now I guarantee the Pens Admin are sweating.)

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    1. You can't guarantee that a new coach will be better than the old one. Changing coaches shouldn't be done lightly, but there's no way to know for sure whether a change will be beneficial.

      When a change is needed, all a team can do is find a qualified candidate and hope the new coach can get done what the former coach wasn't able to. Nothing can be guaranteed.

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  16. Pretty pathetic of Seton Lasalle that the girl basketball player (Pitt recruit) couldn't get through NCAA clearinghouse.
    Someone at SLS dropped the ball. Doesn't look good for SLS academics. They will take a hit on recruiting. ;)
    How hard it it to get a 2.5 gpa and 800 on SAT?? not to mention the grade inflation at the HS.

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    1. 1. Blame must first go to the student. She's the one performing in class, so she knows exactly how her grades are.
      2. Blame has to go to her parents/guardian. They obviously weren't on top of her academically. That's pretty sad because I'm sure this was a problem throughout her 12 years of schooling. There's too many resources out there to help a child in these cases. If she has a problem learning, an IEP should've been performed.
      3. The school has to take blame here for going through four full years with her, knowing about her academically, failing her by not doing what they could to help and also lying to colleges, passing her off as a legit Division 1 recruit, their credibility is shot.

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    2. According to Wikipedia, Seton Lasalle page, SLS was ranked as Top 50 Catholic High School in the US.
      I don't think so.

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  17. So it has to be on the high school? You are sure of that? I don't know anything about the specifics but some kids simply don't work at their academics. It is just as likely to be that as it is to be on the school.

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    1. SLS recruits baskeball players if you hadn't noticed.
      One of their "hooks" is the ability to get them full scholarship at D1 or D2.
      In order to do that, need to make it through NCAA clearinghouse.
      Where was the coach, AD, guidance counselor.
      Not to mention, SLS prides itself on being better than public school for academics!! Obviously, it is not!

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    2. This type of school would have made sure that all the right classes were taken to meet NCAA core requirements. So, what it means is either the kid's grades were bad or her SAT score was bad, or both. You can be prepped to do better on the SAT, you can be tutored to do better in the classroom. They may have done these things; but nobody can guarantee anyone's academic performance. This could be a case of being so far academically behind before getting to SLS that it could not be fully overcome; the kid could have learning disabilities, or the kid may simply be one of those kids who doesn't do their school work.. We have no idea what the reason is; but it is ignorant to blame it on the school; particularly since this seems to be an isolated case of having one of their players not get through the NCAA clearinghouse. I certainly hope she does well in Junior college and lands at Pitt in about two years.

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    3. If Clairton, StoRox, Aliquippa (probably the 3 worst school districts academically in wpial) can get kids through NCAA clearinghouse than it should be a cakewalk for SLS.
      Sorry, this falls on the coach, AD, and guidance. There goes SLS recruiting program.

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    4. Great point, no need to hold the "STUDENT/ athlete," accountable...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink...

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    5. So the student has no responsibility or accountability? That's a bunch of nonsense. Part of growing up is taking some responsibility for your life.

      I'd imagine blame falls on a number of parties here, but to say it all falls on the school is ridiculous. If the kid wants to be eligible, then he needs to do his part.

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    6. Who do you blame if Pitt doesn't meet APR???
      Not the athlete!

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    7. No one is saying that school's don't bear some responsibility for the academic achievement of their students. However, the failure of a student to do well is more than just the fault of the school.

      The student in question, whose life will be most impacted by academic failure, bears a good deal of responsibility.

      If Pitt doesn't meet the APR, it would bear responsibility as well as the students who didn't perform up to standards.

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    8. LOL.
      Typically, if a college doesn't meet APR, PEOPLE get fired.
      Nothing happens to the student-athlete.

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    9. The discussion was not about what happens to the parties involved, but rather who is responsible for the failure. If a school doesn't succeed, more than just the administrators are to blame. Even if nothing happens to the students, they were partly responsible for the failure.

      If a corporation fails, it's not just the fault of the CEO, although they bear the biggest responsibility. The employees who didn't do their jobs correctly also played a part in the company's downfall.

      If you broaden your focus, and don't have such a narrow view of it, it's easy to see there is blame to go around. Otherwise, you miss the bigger picture.

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    10. To extend the business analogy a bit, when businesses hire new employees, they're generally put through a training program. For the employees to succeed, the training program needs to be good, but the employees needs to bring the proper focus, dedication and work ethic.

      If an employee fails because they didn't bring the requisite intangibles, that's the fault of the employee, not the employer.

      Schools need to provide a good educational curriculum and atmosphere, but if kids don't put forth the proper effort and dedication, that's on them, not the schools.

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    11. If you want to use business analogies...
      If she wasn't getting the grades, she would have been suspended from the team.
      But the school, coach, AD where chasing trophies and championships... who cares if the student qualifies.
      In business, she would have been suspended!! Coach didn't do it! Ergo, most of the fault is no the admin.

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    12. If she wasn't getting the grades, and the school didn't suspend her, then they're at fault. The student also is to blame for not maintaining a grade level that would keep her eligible.

      I'm glad you finally see that there is fault to go around, and not just the school is responsible. That's the point I've been making all along.

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    13. Problem is, PIAA ONLY requires that you pass the course or a "D" or a 1.0gpa.
      Frankly, I think it should be a 2.0gpa and no more than 2 - D's in a grading period. Schools are permitted to increase the academic standard if they want.
      I find it hard to believe kids can't get "C's" at least due to the grade inflation that goes on in every high school.

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    14. I agree that a C average should be the minimum. If I remember correctly, where I went to high school, you needed a C average to remain eligible for sports.

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  18. Qualifying Academically.
    South Carolina football... 8 of 21 did not qualify. The standard increases in 2016.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/eight-members-of-south-carolina-s-2014-recruiting-class-may-not-qualify-academically-200626842.html

    http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet.pdf

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  19. The Big Fella Dejuan Blair is headed to the Wizards. Should fit in well with the team style/personality.

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  20. Tony Pilato commits to Pitt. Welcome aboard. Doke, do you have some thoughts on the young man, seems athletic with excellent size. Only a 3 star though. Second, who else is left other than Whitehead - seems like there are 3 or 4 spots left tops.

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    1. I recently pencilled him in at No. 18 in the state so he's a good player. He's the kind that has the potential to be good as a redshirt junior.

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  21. 2016 Sanders of Woody commits to PSU.
    Interesting.
    Ole Terry is cherry picking wpial for psu!

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  22. Here's a positive article about Chryst and the program that appeared recently in the P-G.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2014/07/15/Chryst-changes-image-of-program/stories/201407150106

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    1. Too bad Chryst still can't land elite or top recruits in his backyard. Ooops, they forgot to mention that!
      Whiffed on Sanders of Woody.
      Most likely will whiff on Whitehead.

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    2. Wins and losses....that's what Chryst will ultimately be judged on, not how many local recruits he signs.

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      The important thing is to get good players. Doesn't matter where you get them. If Pitt lands this guy, Nobody will care about Sanders

      http://247sports.com/Player/Elijah-Deveaux-23881

      Sort of like last year when lost out on RB MacKenzie, but landed Chris James. And this myth that PC can't land the local kids is dumb.

      Boyd
      Bisnowaty
      Bookser
      Grimm
      Paulina
      Johnson
      Holtz

      So take your propaganda elsewhere.

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    4. He's going to lose the No. 1 WPIAL prospect for four years in a row so he could do better.

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    5. Anonymous 9:15

      Your list of players that you're proud of as great recruits by Chryst is a little misleading regarding how effective he is or has been at least from a recruiting standpoint.

      Both Johnson and Holtz were Penn St. recruits until they went nuts down there.

      As far as the others, you don't know what sanctions and/or the coaching instability at PSU had to do with them committing to Pitt.

      I'm just glad that Franklin was not there when these guys were available.

      Say what you want about him and I absolutely hate his cry babying guts but, that jerk-off can definitely recruit.

      I'm not sold on Chryst either from a football or recruiting perspective but, if he get's us more than 8 wins this year...and he should considering our schedule then recruiting just became a lot easier.

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    6. Franklin is showing himself to be an ace recruiter, but ultimately he'll be judged on the same thing Coach Chryst will be, and that's success on the field. The jury is still out on Franklin in terms of how his recruiting will translate to a winning program.

      While Chryst might not be landing the biggest local fish, he's landed some stud local linemen, and Tyler Boyd was an outstanding catch.

      I think if PC builds a winning program, more of the top local kids will come to Pitt. However, I personally don't care much from what zip code Chryst gets kids, as long as he builds a winning program.

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    7. He's getting enough talent to win 8-9 games most years but he's not going to get better than that with so few elite recruits. And if he can't get most of the elite local kids he's not going to get them elsewhere either.

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    8. Well said Chris, let me put that in CAPS for others to understand.

      "IF HE CAN'T GET MOST OF THE ELITE LOCAL KIDS..... HE'S NOT GOING TO GET THEM ELSEWHERE EITHER."

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    9. It would be nice to see Chryst getting more of the elite local kids, and that may happen if the program improves, and becomes a place where the elite locals want to be.

      I don't see Chryst ever setting the world on fire as a recruiter, but if he can take the kids he gets now and build a winning program, that will be a strong boost to getting more of the top recruits.

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    10. The top local recruit in the last 4 years based on results, not the brain trust at Scout or Rivals, by a long shot will turn out to be Tyler Boyd. He already beat Fitz's freshman record with a vastly inferior QB throwing to him. If he stays healthy he'll be a top 10 draft pick in the NFL and a legit Heisman candidate in his junior (maybe last) year. (Yeah I know....NY media hates Pitt)

      I like what Chryst is building in recruiting kids who want to play at Pitt and who fit his system. When Pitt wins more games the local (and national) recruiting will improve, not before. These kids like playing for him right now and word's getting around of that fact. Parents like him too...

      With his development of Russell Wilson at Wisconsin, his rep is improving as a QB coach among recruits. When QB play improves in the next couple years he could land that big QB that Pitt needs to build recruiting around.

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  23. Doke, not that your point isn't taken, but Sanders isn't the top recruit in the WPIAL in any one of the major recruiting services. Hamlin is. And VT can have McKenzie, Chris James is better.

    Moody your point about PSU is a classic red haring. Pitt wasn't the only school recruiting these kids - maybe they would have gone to PSU but for the sanctions, but they chose Pitt over many other offers and chose Pitt.

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    1. Hamlin is good but no way in hell is he the top prospect in the WPIAL. And I'm not talking about McKenzie either. Dravon Henry was the top prospect in the area last year.

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  24. I am still perplexed by Pitt's handling of Henry. WVU and Pitt both need(ed) playmakers on defense. Pitt has a better chance of being successful in the ACC then WVU does in the Big 12 (minus 2). It just seemed like Pitt didn't recruit Henry hard enough.

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    1. Henry seems like a bit of a jerk to me (McKenzie too). That could have been a turn-off for Chryst and possibly one reason why Pitt didn’t recruit him “hard enough”.

      It appears that this coach prefers higher character kids with a good head on their shoulders. While as individuals, Chryst’s recruits may not be as athletic as some elite players, collectively, they just might have enough brains, heart, commitment and drive to dominate the opposition as a team.

      By the way, here are some other local elite kids that remind me of Henry: Elijah Fields, Paul Jones, Dorian Bell, Terrell Pryor, Rushel Shell …all jerks and all trouble.

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    2. We'll see how Pitt fans love winning 8 games a year with high character kids. I'm guessing, like with Jamie Dixon, the fans will not be thrilled.

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    3. Actually, I'm okay with Jamie as coach...hope he's stays for a long time.

      I'm not expecting any National Championships from Coach Chryst, but I think he is perfectly capable of fielding a team that can compete for an ACC title. That, in turn should make Pitt a more attractive destination for the elite local talent.

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    4. Is Chryst's failure as a recruiter a reflection of his personality compared to guys like Franklin? It seems like Pitt is recruiting below its potential. Does Chryst perceive himself/the program in the same light that Dixon did the basketball program a few years ago? That they couldn't run with the power players?

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    5. @ MC
      Not sure why you're even still talking about Henry on this blog, what makes Henry a jerk? Is it recommending that his classmate with MS becomes the homecoming queen. Or maybe, giving his MLK award to Karl Palmer, who has down syndrome and plays in the Beaver Band. Or maybe it's the fact that he's an honor student and has had perfect attendance for several years in high school. My list can go on and on. As a former guidance counselor and Pitt alum, who's had the pleasure of watching him become a young man over the years, Mr Henry is a kid of very high integrity, class, and character. I don't know what you've seen or heard, but you're dead wrong on that one sir.

      You put Henry with a group full of drug abusers, heads of scandals, & pure failures and the kid hasn't played a down of football.

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    6. Sorry, I didn't know any of those facts about the young man, only judged him based on what I read on blogs...obviously never a smart thing to do.

      I did, however, think that it was classless for Dravon's family to criticize the Pitt program following his decision to play football for WVU. Definitely uncalled for...perhaps I should have directed my criticism toward his mother.

      After reading your post I'm even more surprised that, with numerous acclaimed institutions of higher learning courting him, this honor student of very high integrity, class and character choose to receive his education from, of all places, the University of West Virginia.

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  25. I wouldn't say Chryst is failing as a recruiter. Not at all. He's recruiting enough to win 7-9 games most years. But he's definitely not the coach that's going to recruit at a top 10 level.

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    1. Can he get to a consistent top 25?

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    2. I think there comes a point where you have to win some games and show you can coach at a high level with the players you have before you get the top flight recruits. Lets not forget that James Franklin turned around Vanderbilt. He showed he could win games in the SEC from a school with absolutely no history of success. Local kids are waiting to see if Chryst can make Pitt competitive in the ACC, if he can, more local kids will come. If he can't he'll be gone after year 4, and to his credit, even if that happens, Pitt will be in better shape when he leaves than it was when he showed up.

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    3. One thing that is also working against Chryst is that of the 30+ 4 star recruits from PA in the last 3 years, only 8 have been defensive players and not one currently wears a Pitt uniform and only 1 ever did. (Noah Spence OSU, Demetrius Cox MSU, Daysean Shippy Pitt, transferred to Colorado, Alex Anzalone Florida, Hodari Christian WVU, Dravon Henry WVU, Montae Nicholson MSU, Malik Hooker OSU). Pitt has done OK with offensive 4 stars between local kids and out of the area recruits, but we're getting destroyed on the defensive side. There are a lot fewer defensive 4 blue chippers in PA to begin with and we have exactly zero of them. If Chryst fails as HC it will because he hired terrible defensive staff who can't recruit. There is very little talent on the defensive side of the ball and it shows.

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  26. No disrespect, but I think it is difficult these days to recruit for Pitt football based upon the campus or lack thereof.
    I'm doing lots of campus visits with my son. There are some beautiful campuses out there. If I had to do it over again, I probably may not pick Pitt. I picked Pitt because it was local. My second choice was PSU but I only applied to 2... lol
    But the point is, you really have to like the "urban" layout of Pitt and their off campus football facilities. That is a tough sell.

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    1. It's funny you say that because two parents in my office (attorneys) whose kids are about to select a school this year and have been traveling to schools - their kids love Pitt's campus. I also think if you're a kid from a city Pitt's campus doesn't feel strange to you. It really depends where you're coming from. If you're from DC, Philly, metro NY, Pitt doesn't feel like a city school at all. I assure you, Pitt's campus isn't holding back the recruiting.

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    2. No disrespect, but my son actually liked Duquesne. That is smack in the middle of Pittsburgh but its isolated and has a small college feel. Pitt on the other hand is part of the city with Forbes and Fifth running through it, etc. You really need to like that. He will be a Junior so who knows where he will apply yet.
      No doubt Pitt campus, off-campus football facilities, no campus stadium is holding back recruiting. Beg to differ with you.

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  27. Can he hit top 25? I imagine top 10 is unrealistic since we won't let just anyone put on the Pitt jersey (and for the good!).

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  28. @Annonymous--To each his own, I guess. If you compare PItt to other city schools it has probably just about the least urban feel of any city school I have encountered.

    Sure, if you are looking for a country campus, Pitt is not for you but if your comparing it to its urban peers its campus area shines by comparison. It is too bad that the city won't allow a few streets to be closed off (like Bigelow Blvd) since the campus could be made even nicer.

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    1. What "urban" college is Pitt competing with for recruits??
      That's the point!!
      VTech, VA, UNC, NCState, have nicer campuses.
      You need to get out of Pittsburgh sometime!!
      Just look at the Non-Pitt commits and what they selected.
      Then look at the Pitt commits and compare Pitt to their other offers.

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    2. Well, there's a little town called Louisville, a quaint village called Boston, and unincorporated municipality called Atlanta. So I take your point.

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    3. OSU, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all in large cities - with the first two being in considerably larger cities than Pittsburgh. Vanderbilt. I could go on and on, but it doesn't matter. Pitt's campus is literally the last thing to worry about, because we have precisely zero control over it. Cincinnati.

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  29. @anonymous--I wasn't relating the campus issue to football recruiting. In any event, unless Pitt moves its main campus to somewhere up in the Allegheny national forest it isn't going to have a country campus so this is a non issue. My comparison is to true inner city schools that have no grass or green whatsoever--nothing but asphalt everywhere.

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    1. Guess what... most of the elite football athletes don't come out of inner city (NYC, DC, Philly, etc)... basketball... yes, football... no

      Have you seen some of the other ACC campuses Pitt has to compete with for athletes? Big 10 campuses?
      Forget about the stadium...

      Pitt campus and non-campus football facilities is a tough sell. Especially for those that live more than 250 miles from Pitt.

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    2. You have no idea what you're talking about. Look up the number of 4 star kids who attend high school with a DC or Philly address. If you don't like the city, that's fine, but cities are were the people, and the talent, are, friend.

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    3. I think you are confusing a suburb with city.
      #4star class of 2015 living in cities:
      PA - 1 of 9.
      MD - 1 of 8
      DC - 3 of 3 (1 committed to Bama, 1 committed to Florida)
      So there goes ur theory.

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  30. Got to think PRACTICING Off-Campus also has its drawbacks.

    PittofDreams

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    1. It absolutely does.
      Pitt is a tough sell for football...
      If the football facilities were on campus and still use Heinz, that would be much easier.

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    2. Anony - Wow, sounds like some big-time spoiled babies if 4 miles is the reason they'd skip going to a school. Maybe those are the types of kids PC doesn't want....

      What's next, personal feeders so they don't have to strain themselves getting food into their mouths. Pathetic.

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    3. Kent...

      Bus rides get really old. Walking to practice across campus while passing by HOT COEDS... never a problem.

      Common sense my Brother.

      PittofDreams

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  31. Davis twins to WVU.
    Couldn't cut it in SEC! 1 and done without playing a down.
    Rushel Shell is key recruiter for WVU!

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    1. I'm just glad he's gone from Pitt. Too much trouble from a kid who never proved much of anything.

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