Saturday, September 27, 2014

Akron 21 Pittsburgh 10

Well, that's how you make sure there's nobody left that believes in the program. I will make this quick and simple.

1. Chad Voytik was bad. I always said that the lack of quarterback recruiting by Paul Chryst would hurt him and here it is.

2. The offensive line stunk.

3.  The defense stunk.

4. Most of all, Chryst and his staff stunk.

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  1. lots of blame to go around but let me ask you ... how much is due to poor coaching and how much is the lack of execution on the part of the guys ?

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  2. As to #1 ... i still think CV will improve; however, Chryst has seen him for 2+ years now. wouldn't he know whether CV was going to be able to get it done ? Presumably, the loss of Freeback hurt a little but I'm not sure he would have stepped in and led the team this year anyway.

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    1. Freebeck played today for Vandy. Had 3 picks.

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  3. What more can you say Chris after that poor excuse from the Pitt Panthers of a football game

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  4. In Pitt's defense, they *were* playing without stylish gold helmets.

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  5. Remember this one in the Pittsburgh Press many years ago?

    PITT GOES SPLAT!

    Unfortunately again and again and again.

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  6. Congrats to Akron. They had the look of a pretty decent team, or maybe, we allowed them to look that way. Fortunately, this was not a conference loss. However, I haven't seen anything that tells me that we are much better than mediocre.

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  7. I have never posted on any of the Pitt blogs that I read regularly, but I have to cut loose now. I have had it!

    I am embarrassed to wear my Pitt gear in public!

    I have held out being hopeful for Chryst to turn this program around. I can't stand Joe D's comments, but he is RIGHT! Chryst must go...good guy, but a blah coach and blah recruiter with no fire in his belly. Big part of the reason Pitt is the same old Pitt.

    Voytik sucks! Need to move on to Bertke, but he's probably no better b/c Pitt can't recruit QBs. Line sucks! Even Conner sucked today...Did he have a concussion or something? B/C he made horrible decisions and looked to puposely run into the defensive players instead of cut back to openholes like he normally does.

    Defense sucks...and the future of the defense is like poop sliding down hill, b/c House can't recruit for the D.

    This is a colossal mess....I had an offer for two free tickets to go to the game today and am glad I declined. I watched on the laptop today and am pissed that I can't get the last 3.5 hours of my life back.

    I'm done. Let me know when Pitt decides it wants to commit to putting a Division I football program together!!!!

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  8. The QB should be a communications major the way he telegraphs were he is going to through the ball most of the time with lead in his feet in the pocket. Since he is considerably shorter that the linemen he needs to move to see open passing lanes. The receivers need to follow through on the receptions, Conner was just plain flat with hardly and extra drive power like the first 3 games, the play calling stunk and again the secondary gets burned by big plays by playing too shallow.

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  9. Oh yeah...Nice job burning Adonis Jenning's redshirt for one meaningless pass. About as dumb as burning Dorian Johnson's last year when he clearly wasn't ready yet.

    Knucklehead coaching staff...........apparently nice guys with a football IQ below 70!

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  10. Can't figure out why the regression on offense. And why the offensive line is going south after games 4 and 5 when they had been improving each of their first 3 games. Usually it means coaching. No improvement by Voytik. If a change makes Pitt more pitiful on offense then this is what we will get in close games. The Iowa loss hurt me more since I thought it was a game we should have won. This one we clearly deserved to lose.

    The defense is empty of real playmakers. They are playing better than last year. They are faster than last year but not fast enough. And can see that Pitt really can't make stops when they need to do so when even an average team has them on the ropes. They fold when stressed by playmakers who are better at their positions than Pitt's defenders are at their positions. If Pitt plays well they can beat poor or below average teams, if they don't play well they will struggle against average teams we think they should beat. None of this is rocket science.

    But this loss is also an indictment on Pitt's administrations commitment to the program. If they don't spend money on assistant coaches that can recruit there will be more losses like this in the future. Garbage in, garbage out. I'm glad Pitt is recruiting better kids/students then not. But there are a lot of good kids who GPAs 2.5 and above who are better athletes that Pitt has no chance with because the fact is Pitt can't really recruit well.

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  11. Short, sweet, and to the point.
    Thanks.
    They are who we thought they were. Enough with the excuses.

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  12. I feel bad for the Pitt fans: poor quality unranked football, no qb, no linemen, no playmakers (except Boyd), no big future prospects, a head coach with somewhat of a speech impediment whos MO from Wisconcin is that he's "not a recriuter," no- name coordinators, and Pitt admin gets the big ACC money. It doesn't seem fair to the fans wh really do love football and want better for Pitt.

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  13. Where is the leadership the players and the coaches so far in the season

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  14. There is a reason why the Stadium was a quarter filled at kickoff. This "come if you want" recruiting philosophy ain't working. The defense is horrible, House was horrible from the get-go and the QB isn't as advertised. By has this program fallen on hard times.

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    1. Travis - spot on. Chryst can't recruit and his recruiting philosophy clearly does not work. He hired a horrible DC. And the team is boring resulting in a half empty stadium on a good day

      I said it the day Chryst was hired it was a mistake and was shouted down. Now people are finally starting to see the light. Alas some kool-aid drinkers like still exist and think none of it is Chryst's fault.

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  15. Pathetic.

    Preparation, play calling, execution, effort. All pathetic.

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  16. Well at least we are undefeated in conference play....that comment should win me the Home Depot homer award for the week..
    But seriously this team has now been flat for six quarters..where is the fire we all witnessed against bc and the drive to win that happened against fiu after the horrible start.,with the meat of the schedule coming up we key two winnable games go south.. The team is not good enough to let this happen
    What are the solutions? If chryst is staying then need to hire better recruiters and coordinators. If chryst is going for heavens sake have a plan in place. I have tix for va game next week.,long trip from cleveland I am hoping the team is prepared
    H2p

    Gary from cleveland

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  17. I feel bad for Voytik. Like Tino, he is the best QB on the team, but he is in over his head. Hopefully Chryst can find ways to utilize the skills he does have.

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  18. You nailed it Mr. Dokish. Don't think Gallagher and Pederson get it yet.

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  19. Is Akron's punter an NFL prospect or was the ball juiced? He was incredible.

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  20. 1. Pitt was outcoached ONCE AGAIN. With 8 in the box, Pitt insisted on running between the tackles. Only at the end, in desperation, did they use screen passes, a throw to the TE, etc. Sometimes I think Conner getting out to such a great start has galvanized the offensive coordinator into calling his number too often, now to Pitt's detriment. No one can run the ball against 8 or 9 in the box. Where's the adjustments?

    2. Defense was very soft. Couldn't get KEY STOPS in the 2nd half when needed. Results of poor recruiting on that side of the ball have now manifested themselves.

    3. For those who wanted Voytik to spread the ball around, HE DID. He spread it so all over Heinz that the receivers couldn't catch it. Unbelievable inaccuracy.

    4. You get what you pay for in this world. In the world of CF, Pitt is PAYING LITTLE and the results speak for themselves. Loyal Pitt fans deserve better, but Pitt is only interested in furthering its academic world and being mediocre in FB with no embarrassments.

    Pitt never fails to disappoint!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DreamsofPitt

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    1. Like the name. Almost as good as the Original.

      PittofDreams

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    2. And agree with a lot of what you've said. But, let me add one.

      This Akron Game once again exposed a MAJOR WEAKNESS of Chryst and his approach to Coaching.

      As in PREVIOUS LETDOWN LOSSES to equal or inferior Opponents, it is clear that Chryst-Coached Teams are SELF-MOTIVATED. It takes a STRONG OPPONENT to get the Players fired up and ready to play.

      Chryst and his Staff appear to be TOTALLY UNABLE to simply motivate Players to perform... either out of RESPECT, FEAR or FEAR OF BEING BENCHED.

      Granted some players don't need this kind of Motivation (i.e. The Boyds and Donalds of the World)... but many do.

      The GOOD NEWS is that after a DEBACLE like this... the last couple of years have shown that the Players and their Coaches should be MOTIVATED PLENTY for the remainder of the Schedule.

      PittofDreams

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  21. I'm curious to what the coach had to say after the game today

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  22. On the bright side, one of the concerns in Werner's chat was if Pitt would lose Chryst to a BIG program next year or the year after. I am very confident we will not.

    What a very, very disappointing turn of the season. How did the coaching staff lose such as promising start? It is going to be long season painful season followed by a horrible recruiting class. Hopefully Pitt's volleyball team will continue to win. Basketball season cannot get here quick enough!

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    1. Maybe to Purdue or Illinois and they can have him.

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    2. Chryst will go back to being an OC for some team.
      He is not HC material. No fire in the belly. No emotion. Lacks leadership skills. Lacks communication skills.
      He will be gone from Pitt if not after this season, definitely after his 4th season.

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    3. It spoke volumes when Wiscy didn't come calling when what's-his-face bolted for Arky. And spare me the talk that Barry Alvarez felt a moral and ethical duty to Pitt to leave Chryst here because he'd just barely unpacked. Wild horses wouldn't have stopped him had he thought HCPC was the right guy.

      Same for the talk back then, when Alvarez was calling everyone in A/C 412 begging them to take his offensive coordinator off their hands. I know, sports is a little different. Still, when your boss's boss is calling other companies to take your carcass off their hands, it's not a compliment and it's not because you're considered a valuable member of the team.

      There are worse things than when you have a coach raided (ala, Todd Graham), or other schools are trying to hire your coach (ala, Jamie Dixon), forcing you to pony up to keep him. One is having a coach that nobody else wants, not even his alma mater.

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  23. Brady Hoke is probably going to be fired by Michigan at the end of the year.
    Should Pitt make a run at him.
    He can recruit. Did well at San Diego. Don't know what happened at MI.

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    1. If you want your team to win... you get a coach who wins... it's that simple.

      Why in the world would they want to make a bad situation worse by chasing after a new coach who's proven he can't even win with one of the top recruiting classes year after year.

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  24. Where to begin on this one? Voytik's inexperience is one thing but now poor decision making is rearing it's ugly head. That 4th quarter int. was a pass that simply shouldn't be thrown.

    The frustration of watching Akron simply stack the box - at times it look like all 11 defenders were set up to do nothing more than stop Conner - and Pitt's inability to pass them into submission was more than I could take.

    This team/program is so far from being anything more than mediocre. Like a lot of others I thought this year would be different, even with the loss of Aaron Donald. They have no playmakers on defense, and no one, other than Boyd and Conner, on offense. Even the o-line which was supposed to be a strength has been a major disappointment.

    I still see very few players with physiques similar to what I see watching other games. All this emphasis on S&C in the off season and Akron just imposes their will. Unbelievable.

    Mediocrity reigns again and there is no sign of anything better in the future. I fear it may get ugly in Charlottesville on Saturday night.

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  25. What are your thoughts on Garner quote??

    "We don't play for the fans," Pitt wide receiver Manasseh Garner said. "We play for each other and for our families. That's one of the big things the coaches say, and I firmly believe that. The fans are with us when we win and sometimes they're against us when we lose, so we're definitely not playing for the fans."

    Thar type of thinking originated from Chryst!!
    "That's one of the things the coaches say..... and I firmly believe that."
    Very sad of Chryst and the coaches to say that.
    I would say, Chryst is out the door on that statement alone.
    However, why isn't any Pitt media following up on that sentence with Chryst.

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    1. Obvious conclusion from losing to Akron: The players hate each other and their families.

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    2. I agree. If true, terrible example set by coaching staff. Been going to games for 46 years and seriously considering calling it quits. What a heaping pile of stink that was on the field yesterday.

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    3. I'm going to say the comment was made in the heat of the moment. The reality is all players/coaches talk about playing for each other - it's a part of the team concept. That should be the least of everyone's worries.

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    4. The quote about players playing for each other, and their families, and not the fans, sounds like coachspeak in an attempt to build esprit de corps. It wasn't the best time to say it, right after an embarrassing loss, but Garner was probably frustrated, and probably said it in the heat of the moment after hearing fans express their displeasure.

      In my opinion, players do have an obligation to the fans to give their best effort every game. When I played sports, I always played hard, both for my teammates, and also for the fans. I felt I owed them that for making the effort to attend the game.

      Fans who make the effort to show up, have the right to voice their displeasure (within reason) if a team is playing poorly. Players on the other hand should give their best, both for their team and for the fans.

      The statement by itself isn't enough to fire Chryst; awful games like this past Saturday are.

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  26. Being a Pitt fan....is like being in an abusive relationship. I cant really take this any more....there are other things to do on a Saturday. Cmon man....30 years??!! Enuff.

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  27. daveclt, Tino was 'over his head' back in 2011 when the whole offense was pretty much 'over their heads' He actually put up very good numbers when he returned back to the pro style of offense the year after.

    This is now Voytik's third straight year under the same coach ... something that Tino never was afforded.

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    1. Please...

      Yes, Voytik is struggling a bit, but he's already proven to be a more accurate passer and a much better runner than Tino.

      TIno couldn't hit a barn door if it was more than 7 yards down the field and he really struggled throwing balls deeper than 20 yards. An Tino never lead his team to a comeback in all his years.

      Besides, Voytik is hardly the only one struggling on this team. At this point it would be fair to say that everyone not named Boyd (yes even Conner) have come up short in their own way. But first and foremost the coaches have come up short.

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    2. Once again, the anti-Tino bias that started in the 2011 season shows up. Tino is so much better of a medium range passer than Voytik is, it isn't even close ... and shows you don't know what you're looking at.

      And BTW, did you know that Tino has a higher Yards per Attempt average in 2012 than Savage did in 2013 ... and Tino didn't have Boyd to throw to.

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  28. From my personal standpoint (Pitt CAS '86) I am so joyous that I did not renew my season tickets for the 2014 season. Mostly it was because of the boring schedule, but there was a part of me (maybe all of it) that has absolutely no faith in this administration and coaching staff. I've always found it fascinating to reach Mr. Dokish's recruiting entries, especially when Pitt is going after kids recruited by mid-level programs LIKE AKRON! Anybody that's ever seen or heard Paul Chryst speak realizes that his communication skills are bereft of any passion or leadership. Another sad day for the University of Pittsburgh football community. The future, my friends, is not optimistic for the Panthers.

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  29. Hi Chris,

    This is the kind of egg-laying losses that get coached fired. A 3-TD favorite losing by 2 TDs at home to a mediocre MAC team can be a program-killer, especially after last week's heart-breaker. Think it was hard to sell tickets before?

    There are schools that would have fired our shiny new head coach yesterday. Here I'm remembering Colorado firing Dan Hawkins after blowing a 4 TDs lead o Kansas in the 4th quarter, and Southern Cal firing Lane Kiffin while he was still on the team plane.

    What say ye, Chris? Does HCPC survive this? Says a lot either way. It also says maybe Wanny was right, albeit two weeks later: Maybe Chryst doesn't have the support of the administration (he may have had it coupla weeks ago, hard to imagine he has it today...).

    Unless HCPC figures out how to recruit and hires guys who can recruit, he won't succeed. I would think -- hope and pray -- he feels some heat from above.

    H2P

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    1. Just what Pitt needs - a 6th head coach in 5 years. Fire him after the 4th game of the season. That would really help the program. Charlie Weis is available. lol

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    2. Yeah, exactly steve. Even if this becomes a dumpster fire there is no reason barring major scandal to not let him finish the year. I said this before the season, but Chryst will leave this program in better shape than he found it, which isn't nothing, and part of the reason is that he'll give us 4 years of stability, even if its mediocre stability.

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    3. I may have been misleading, but when I'd asked Doke is if our shiny new head coach survives this loss, I meant at the end of the season (i.e., is this the straw that breaks the camel's back?), not at the end of the weekend.

      I'm not calling for HCPC to be fired this week, although there ARE schools that might have.

      Too many embarrassing egg-laying losses: Y-State, Cuse and UConn the first year, Navy and UNC last year, Akron (and VERY nearly FIU) this year, and probably some others I've repressed as too painful to pull back into consciousness.

      With his nepotism hiring of crony coaches who can't recruit coupled with his known weakness as a non-recruiter before he was hired? I've seen enough, this camel's back is broken.

      To me, anything short of winning the ACC Coastal in this very winnable year means it's time for this experiment to end.

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  30. The reason he was not nor will be fired is due to the incompetent athletic director. It is a shame they have allowed this program to become so mediocre is beyond me.

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  31. Chris:
    Are you sticking with your 7-5 prediction?

    Is the Pitt admin. concerned yet?

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  32. Shitty weekend.
    Pitt loses.
    Steelers lose.
    Pirates lose.

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  33. Any thoughts on Mike Munchak to becoming Pitt HC???
    Great pedigree.
    Currently in a holding pattern with Steelers.

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    1. It'll never happen, that would make entirely too much sense.

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  34. Let me start by saying that I have been supportive of Chryst and I was more optimistic than many about his approach. He's also a high character guy which is not irrelevant, even in today's world. But he has to go.

    First however, we must get a new athletic director. If Chryst is fired before we have a new AD running the hiring committee it will be nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    SP is a disastrously poor evaluator of football coaches. chancellor Gallagher should heed nordenberg's words when he said his greatest regret was failing to turn the football program around. (dipola piece on nordy, you can read it). Mr. Gallagher put your staple on this university and fire Steve pederson. Find an AD who has a record of making good head coaching decisions. They are out there. Nows your moment.

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  35. Battle of the hot seat coaches. Paul Chryst vs Mike London. Both teams are 3-2 & this game could dictate how both teams seasons will be. For Pitt, a 3 game losing streak would be devastating, so a win is necessary. The team can't worry about the fans at this point, fans come and go as you win or lose

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    1. I'm not saying it should be this way, but Chyrst could lose every game for the rest of the year (and hell, we might) and not lose his job until after next year. He's getting at least 4 of his 5 year contract no matter what.

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  36. I posted this on the pantherlair - not Zatiti Moody...who cares but the problem we as fans face is that we the fans care exponentially more about FB success than the administration.

    All they want is the $ - surprise! They got that with the ACC - some say Pederson got us in the ACC - really?

    We got offered - let's see, stay in the floundering Big East at $5mil per year or the ACC and $18mil - any one of us numbnuts would have accepted.

    As long as we don't have a string of arrests - if we're 6-6 - 7-5 - 5-7, the administration is perfectly happy.

    What we have to hope for - scratch that...... PRAY for is a Michigan scenario - the wheels come COMPLETELY off so that Pederson or hopefully the next AD will clean the house completely.

    And, it could happen - look at our schedule - we could lose the rest of our games.

    Why? Because teams know how to beat Pitt - and it ain't hard to figure out - stack the box and let the QB try and beat us which ain't happening.

    Sadly, we'll probably win a couple more - maybe Syracuse and it'll be:

    "Ok, we're a young team - we're good! How much money did we make again this year?"

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    1. The move to the ACC was not automatic. Just ask WVU or UConn fans if they are happy where they ended up. For all the criticisms of Pederson, he gets credit for getting Pitt in a stable good-fitting conference.

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    2. It was pretty automatic. UConn and WVU were not getting in over Pitt. It's all about TV sets.

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    3. I disagree that it was automatic. Rutgers and UConn arguably have many more TV sets. And Louisville has better athletics with an excellent AD. Pitt has a solid combo of academics/athletics/market, and was attractive to the ACC. But I don't think it was automatic.

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    4. Rutgers was going to the Big 10. UConn has no TV sets for football which is all that matters. And the ACC didn't really want Louisville until they felt they had no choice. Giving Pederson credit for getting Pitt into the ACC is something Pitt tells people so they won't hate him as much.

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    5. You nailed it Chris. If it weren't for the BC - UConn feud, Pitt might be on the outside looking in. And then what would've been Pederson's move???

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    6. Doke is right, the acceptance was automatic for Pitt. The ACC's first choice was UConn, but BC put the nix to that because they are both from the same area and because of past bad blood.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/boston-college-ad-admits-to-blocking-uconns-path-to-acc?urn=ncaab,wp5260

      It was a rubber stamp job for Cyanide Steve. I have more faith in Obama wiping out ISIS and bringing in world peace than I do having Cyanide Steve pick another HC.

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    7. Bingo Jackagain. It's about media markets and Pitt happened to be in one. If anything, it was Jamie Dixon that got Pitt in the ACC, not something that Pederson did. I'm glad we booed him before FSU last year. He deserved it.

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    8. Agreed with all who said Pitt was most logical choice getting in. ACC probably approached Pitt to gauge interest in leaving BE. At that point it was pretty obvious the BE was on the down swing.

      The thing that irks me the most is Pitt doesn't need a complete overhaul of their athletic practices. They just need to be better. They need better leadership. As I said previously, there is absolutely no excitement surrounding Pitt football. They are irrelevant in a football-crazed city. I don't get the chance to go to many games because of my job, but I went to the home opener and I was very disappointed with the production/atmosphere. I don't care who they played, THAT stadium should've been full.

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  37. At some point Steve Pederson needs to be held accountable. Now that Nordenberg has retired, the new Chancellor will put winning higher on the list. Pederson needs to go. He botched the Wanny firing, the Haywood hiring, the Graham debacle and now we are looking at a time with MINIMUM improvement in 3-plus years. He allowed Chryst to take over 2 months to hire a new DC only to hire a guy with no experience. He sits there and allows these players to play in front of nearly half empty seats each week. There is absolutely no buzz around Pitt football and hasn't been in nearly 30 years. The only time Pitt makes the news is when Pederson f's up a coaching hire. He needs to be gone, Chryst needs to go and they need someone who actually enjoys recruiting. Not a coach who makes it seem like a chore.

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    1. I thought you were a Chryst supporter.
      Haven't you posted in the past that you were ok with Chryst recruiting tactics and hiring practices?

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    2. I doubt Chryst will be fired this year. 50/50 though.
      If he gets to 6 wins and bowl eligible then he saves his job for another year.
      However, I don't see where Pitt will get 3 more wins in the remaining schedule based upon how they played the last 3 games.

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    3. Absolutely not. I don't enjoy seeing 2-3* "projects" each and every year. This staff, administration hasn't done a very good job making Pitt a destination. What incentive do HS kids have to go to Pitt? Early playing time is my only guess.

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    4. Good points, Travis, Regardless as to whether you're waking up to smell the coffee on National Coffee Day, or if you've always felt that way.

      Recruiting is the lifeblood of college football. If you can't recruit, your only real chance for success is to have the very best coordinators and assistant to coach 'em up and then to game-plan your opponent -- and make adjustments at halftime.

      It's clear to me that other than occasional glimpses, unfortunately the Chryst regime is sorely lacking on all those fronts.

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  38. You know the old saying....Cream and dead fish will rise to the top. I did not smell cream last Saturday at Heinz.

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  39. Chris is right that Steve P had nothing to do with Pitt getting into the ACC. The ACC had to expand and frankly there was no real option to consider for that conference. Giving him credit for landing Pitt in the ACC is revisionist history.

    Do not assume that the new Chancellor is more committed to the football program or athletic department than Nordenberg. Until there is evidence of at least the same level of interest and commitment that Nordenberg displayed there is no guarantee that the problems will be successfully addressed.

    Which brings me to the third point, what exactly is Pitt planning to do with the approximately $17 million more it makes annually now that it is in the ACC. It is good they are improving all sports. But there needs to be serious upgrade in staff salaries. If Pitt can't afford or is unwilling to spend money on good/proven/upcoming defensive and offensive coordinators and position coaches we will continue to see more of the same product that we have seen over these many years. Pitt has a legacy that would be attractive to many very good coaches but if the administration can't allocate $1 million more for staff positions - not the head coach, then they are missing many good candidates. Does anyone seriously dispute that Pitt would be much better off had Pitt committed $500k+ for a proven coordinator that can recruit?? Paying competitive salary for these positions does not guarantee success but it does greatly expand the pool of top candidates instead of limiting choices to individuals no other power conference would really consider.

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    1. Randy Shanahan was available when they promoted House. Easily could have gotten him for 400k.
      Currently at Arkansas at $275k as LB coach.

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    2. Good points Sal. You get what you pay for and Pitt is doing it on the cheap, looking for lightning in a bottle.

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    3. Chancellor Gallagher attended a few pre-season camps without SP there, so that suggest to me he does have interest. Whether he'll be willing to push football is giant question though.

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  40. There's more to it than recruiting. Look at Michigan. They've had excellent recruiting classes the past couple years -- and they STINK. It's not a one or the other type deal. You need both excellent players and excellent coaching to excel.

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    1. Yep, and Pitt has neither at the moment.
      Whoever goes to Michigan will do well in their 1st year provided they get a QB.

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    2. Pitt is not that talent, but we've recruited more talented than Iowa and Akron. We've recruited more talented than GT. We've recruited more talent than Duke. And Syracuse. We're losing games because of coaching. We're not a top 20 team because of talent.

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    3. To be a consistent top 15 team you need good recruiting and good coaching year in and year out. Not that complicated.

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    4. We didn't lose to Iowa or Akron because of talent. We have more talent than either of those schools, and it's not close. We lost because of coaching.

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  41. Kind of thinking that coach Chris is a lot like Coach Weiss good offense of Cordinator not so good head coach doesn't seem to have the fire.

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  42. Chris, I must say I'm disappointed in this post. As a member of the "FWAA," I expect much better from you. You're telling me a 67 word, 291 character (w/o spaces), 12 line post is really your best effort at providing analysis for a D-1 football game. I don't know what the requirements are to become a member of the "FWAA," but my guess is they would be disappointed in this post from one of their member writers as well.

    Let me state I'm a fan of yours, I think you provide great insight to recruiting and a re-freshening perspective on Pitt football. Your Twitter posts are usually agreeable and I look forward to your opinions. BUT, you need to put your feelings aside when writing your post-game analysis. I obviously understand that you have no affiliation with the university and your posts are your own opinions, but you now are one of the main media outlets people go to for Pitt football. I suggest you start writing posts that reflect that sentiment. The above is something I would write or say in conversations with my friends (and believe me I know where you're coming from when writing that stuff). If you need to wait 24 hours after a bad loss in order to do that, I for one am willing to wait.

    All this post does is facilitate negative reaction, and empower people like JoeD who thrive in this type of forum (and create future headaches for you). That is expected even without a post like this. All I'm saying is that although the team may have sucked on Saturday, there is a more professional way of saying just that, while providing a more in depth analysis of why they sucked.

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    1. To be honest, when Pitt has a horrible loss many people post before I can write anything so it's pointless to spend time writing anything because there's already a bunch of posts. So I do it quickly and to the point in that situation.

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    2. EJ. Is that you?
      "Control the message EJ"

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    3. No need to explain Chris.
      The Akron game post was hit all the points.

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    4. Is this a real post or a joke?

      This isn't the NY Times, it's his personal blog. Red 'X' at the top right if you don't like it.

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    5. Personally, I couldn't even keep my eyes on the field I was so disgusted and I couldn't convince the people I was with to leave the game before it was over. I had a hard time even coming online and reading about the game. The phrase I believe you're looking for OP is "mercifully short."

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  43. I can't wait to see what reactions come on Friday when Whitehead announces. If by some miracle, he picks Pitt - I'm guessing most on hear will say he is nutz and foolish for picking Pitt and on and on. If he picks anyone else, which is highly highly probable, the bashing will continue on the current staffs recruiting.

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    1. You make it sound irrational to bash Pitt for losing the best player in the area again. I think it would be pretty rational.

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    2. Someone said that nobody from Pitt coaching staff went to Whitehead HS football game this season. Only 40 min away!
      Is that true?
      Yes, it would be rational to bash pitt regarding recruiting.

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    3. Out here in Harrisburg Whitehead at PSU was the day's big picture on PennLive.com here it is: http://imgick.pennlive.com/home/penn-media/pgmain/img/patriot-news/photo/2014/09/27/-7feeed08f0206a3b.jpg

      It's safe to say we can say good buy.

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    4. Pitt staff was allegedly at Whitehead's game friday. Apparently Chryst and House were there - though if House attended that's really not a positive.

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    5. The way this program is currently trending, I'd be stunned if Whitehead chooses Pitt. If it's true no one from Pitt's staff attended any of his games, that's inexcuseable.

      Anon@ 7:21.....it's goodbye, not good buy. Hate to be the grammar police, but come on, an elementary school kid would know that.

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    6. I would think that P ITT would win one of these recruiting wars eventually for a local kid

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    7. Maybe Chryst and staff didn't think they could land Whitehead so they decided to focus their attention on more attainable players - like 2-3* projects.

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    8. Whitehead committing to Pitt would be an even bigger surprise than us losing to Akron was. I would say there is zero chance.

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  44. My point was the bashing will continue regardless.

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    1. What should fans do? Pat them on the back and say good job losing to akron and recruiting poorly?

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  45. Just watched this disaster. First quarter... Connor going down by arm tackling... Voytek inaccurate as hell... 2 holding calls in the first 4 minutes...

    Voytek... on that rollout he starred down a guy running free and didn't throw the ball to him - instead chucking it out of bounds in the general direction of Boyd. That is him in a nut shell. Afraid to pull the trigger. He needs to be pulled.

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    1. And replaced with whom?

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  46. Say what you will about Todd Graham, but at least the man could recruit. I wouldn't want him teaching an ethics class to my sons, but he knew how to make adjustments. But he's long gone, 'aint coming back.

    Voytik was recruited for an entirely different system, one far more suited to his frame size and skill set. He'd be a big star playing for TG.

    The problem is that HCPC & Co. haven't recruited a QB suited for the type of system he wants to run -- well, maybe Bertke, but we probably won't know that until a year or two after our shiny new head coach is fired. Or recruited hardly anybody else either, for that matter.

    Compounding the matter, as far as I can tell he hasn't adjusted his offense for the only QB he has, as long as he's taken the position that Bertke's redshirt is sacred. Let's face it, Anderson is an even worse fit as a pro-style QB. In short, thanks to the current gang's woeful recruiting, the cupboard's pretty bare.

    Time for this madness to end, Chryst must go. I don't want another slimeball like TG, just a guy who's a competent recruiter and a competent head football coach.

    And side note to Stevie-P: You're an ACC school for Pete's sake, so act like it: No more hiring of totally unproven career coordinators, or bland personalities, no matter what super-booster Sam What's-His-Face says....

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  47. Are some of you really calling for firing hcpc without firing steve p first? That is the only scenario where you can count me out

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  48. I wasn't in the room, so all of this is based on what I've read on the various Pitt blogs -- this one and others.

    But by all accounts from people who were in the room, Steve Pederson didn't want to hire Paul Chryst, had him ranked third out of three candidates. But his hand was forced by that super-booster who threatened to withhold his million$ if HCPC wasn't hired. I've further read that most of Barry Avlarez's phone calls begging anyone to take HCPC -- technically, OCPC back then -- off his hands were to Super Booster.

    Point being, if even half of that is only half-true, then ADSP has earned a get out of jail free card, and the hiring of HCPC wasn't his doing, was made over his objections.

    Point being #2, I don't need to see Stevie-P fired, I need to see a shinier newer head coach. Chryst is everything we expected: Poor recruiter, and his bland personality is uninspiring. Coupled with poor hiring of assistants is the prefect recipe for what we have now: an un acceptable product on the field.

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    1. The fact that the AD isn't entrusted to make the call is one of the reasons why he needs to go.

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    2. Everything you said about Barry Alvarez and boosters is true.
      Barry said himself in an interview he made a few calls to friends and Pitt boosters to persuade Pitt admin to hire Chryst. There was also a quote (re. Narduzzi) that once Alvarez made the calls, nobody stood a chance.
      Alvarez was quoted saying something like, Pitt needs a football coach not some (it was a reference to Graham).

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    3. The tail is wagging the dog here!!!!!!!

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    4. I wasn't in the room either, and I don't work for Pitt, but I have some close friends who do. I was told then, and I have no reason to doubt it, that Crystobal was the choice, but there were background issues particularly with player discipline and some personal issues. Personally, I thought of the three finalists that Luke Fickell was the one to take, though it's been three years and he's still not been picked for another head coaching job so maybe there's a reason.

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  49. Why would you leave hcpc go before hiring a
    A new ad? Do you really want to entrust
    Another head coach search to the current ad?
    The administration has to decide they want to
    Change and the change will start at the top
    And the new candidate will be entrusted to
    Actually administer the athletic department
    Then after reviewing all programs decide who
    Stays and goes based on performance in the
    Field then hire new and pay to get great
    Candidates.
    H2p
    Gary in cleveland

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  50. You get what you pay for. PC's salary is around 60th. Our recruiting ranking is about 50th. Our record ranking is between 45-60. As such, PC is doing better than his pay indicates.

    Because SP was trumped in the room, the big boosters and brass have no confidence in him to do the job. They are correct. Who again did he hire in any sport at Nebraska or Pitt that is high profile and winning at a high level? I'll wait while doing the cricket dance.

    Secondly, Chris is right. The fact he was trumped, should be enough for him to get canned. If he was committed and knew he was right with the other recommendations, he should have confidence in himself and demand his guy get hired or he was leaving. When you are good, that's what you do.Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but the folks who are true to themselves ultimately win in life. Secondly, once trumped on the decision to hire PC, SP has submarined PC at all times. SP wants PC to fail so he can say he was right! Wake up Chancellor! He plays the game and you are the puppet!

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    1. Absolutely. Three facts explain everything you need to know about Pitt athletics. Pitt tore down its (admittedly decrepit) on-campus football stadium and instead of building a new one in its place, they built a $130M basketball stadium and moved the football team to a rented off campus stadium. They pay the basketball coach the 15th highest salary out of 330 programs. They pay the football coach 60th out of 128. It's about choices. Pitt made them, we're leaving with them.

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    2. Nothing will happen until the new Chancellor makes it happen. The commitment must come from the top. Last one who did that was Posvar in the early 70:s.

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  51. I do not buy any this garbage about SP not wanting Chryst. What a joke. This is exactly the type of pick Pederson makes. All this "donors made me do it" stuff is entirely fabricated. Nordenberg and Pederson were completely on the same page and they chose a stable, character guy, who wouldn't rock the boat. It was not an accident. The valued those traits above winning. It was a choice they made.

    If Pitt had big athletics donors capable of impacting University decisions Pederson would have been gone long ago. He alienated a lot of people when he change the school colors, changed the name to Pittsburgh, and changed the logo to Dinocat. My only hope is that with a new Chancellor comes a new athletic director. There is no point in speculation about his commitment to athletics at this point, he's only been on the job for about an hour.

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    1. Pederson hires only former head coaches to be head coaches. That's his thing. He said it and he's proved it. He wanted Golden first, Rhoads second, and Cristobal third.

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    2. It's true. Do you want all the links to the stories from 2011 with Alvarez quotes. Also the stories of "unnamed sources" which Alvarez was working behind the scenes.
      Alvarez knows lots of people in western pa. He's from Washington PA!!

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    3. Then who pulls the strings? If the AD can't hire who they want, what's the point in having them? Nordenberg's gone who's in charge now?

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    4. I don't doubt that Alvarez wanted Chryst to get the job. I doubt that there is some David Koch like puppet master pulling the strings.

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    5. Can we fire Alvarez then? Because someone screwed up and should be held accountable. Oh wait a minute he doesn't work for us ...

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    6. Well I hope that means Pederson won't fight to keep Chryst then. Hopefully that means no extension for Chryst then. Unless these secret boogeymen are still running the show. If SP wanted Golden, he's a lot smarter than I thought he was.

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    7. Big boosters pull the strings all over college athletics, and always have. Without money you can't have big time college athletics and these big money guys aren't going to hand it over without a say in things.

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    8. Fair enough, but where is the money then? Pitt isn't paying their football coaches anything and we rent a stadium. Where's the money going if Pitt has big boosters? We had to wait until our ACC payday to even invest in the practice facilities.

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    9. Good questions. We'll probably never know. Pitt conducts its business in secrecy.

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    10. The only donor with any sway whatsoever is John Petersen. He has contributed more to Pitt athletics than *EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED*. He is the sole outside influence. Period. End of discussion.

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    11. Petersen already gave his gift and he doesn't care about sports. He wanted to give money and Pitt said they needed an events center. So he gave the money for that.

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  52. Maybe we should rate our coaches like baseball wins above replacement or wins per cost of staff so we can see if shopping for coaches @ K-mart works out or not.

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  53. Dokish, I decided to watch the replay on ESPN 3, you always get a better idea on TV than live. It's painful frankly. One of the things that I really noticed tonight is that Tommy Woodson, Akron's backup QB is a better passer than Voytik - by a lot. He's playing as a redshirt freshmen. I don't live in Pittsburgh anymore, so I'm not as familiar with the guys Pitt doesn't offer. We didn't offer him, he's from Monroeville, but he was originally committed to Arizona. Fringe 3/2 star guy it seems. What was your take on him in high school? and why didn't Pitt offer?

    I'm really concerned that Pitt and Chryst are missing out on Brumbaugh. I just don't understand our QB recruiting.

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    1. I know one thing there'll never be a game day in Pittsburgh

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    2. I would be surprised if pitt-psu isn't a game day game. ESPN already moved the date for it.

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    3. Yeah, at this point early season they are even broadcasting from interesting places like NDSU even when they don't show the game. Though I actually do think the Pitt-PSU game will be a game day location and ESPN prime time game.

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  54. Just say Dellovade plus Alvarez= Chryst...nuff said...

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    1. If Pitt were in the more-rabid SEC instead of the more-placid ACC, by now someone would have found Dellovade, stuck a microphone in his face, and asked him what he though of his boy's performance? And then asked him, since OCPC would never have become HCPC without his backing and (alleged) threatening, what did he plan to do about it? To either light a serious fire under our shiny new head coach, or else use that same influence to get someone competent without us having to suffer for 3-4 more years.

      If....

      And another thing, the media in Pittsburgh sure does seem (to me at least...) to treat Pitt's AD with kid gloves. I almost never see him quoted, I only hope that's not because nobody cares enough to bother tracking him down to ask. Doke, what do you know about this?

      I live in a PAC-12 team's city, and that school's AD is quoted a lot because the media makes him talk or else they just write what they want, and he (smartly) wants to at least have his words be used in the mix.

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    2. The Dellovade story is 100% true. He and Alvarez go way back. When Haymaker was canned, the first person Alvarez called was Dellovade. Dellovade then rounded up his donor friends and they went to see Nordenberg. Nordenberg told Pederson to interview him again and strongly suggested they take a long look at Chryst. Pederson got the message.

      Alvarez is a smart guy that knows football. He believes in Chryst. That's why we need to give PC 4-5 years before passing sentence.

      Alvarez has a lot of friends in Western PA. Some are big Pitt donors. On a side note, the year after he retired as coach of Wisconsin. I went to the 4th of July Parade in Canonsburg. There, I saw Mr. Dellovade, Frank Sarris (of Sarris Candies) and standing next to them was....you guessed if Barry Alvarez.

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    3. I don't actually doubt Paul Chryst's coaching abilities. I doubt his ability to evaluate is his own weaknesses and surround himself with complimentary players. Which is why I blame the AD for letting Chryst do that.

      He is a purely offensive coach. His closest and highest paid coach is his offensive coordinator. His most experienced assistants are offensive position coaches. If Paul Chryst fails it will be because he didn't go out and get a highly qualified and experienced defensive coordinator. Matt House was the worst possible choice for a staff dominated by offensive coaches.

      And oh yeah, no matter what Chryst is getting 4 years. Probably gets an extension this year even if we lose every single game the rest of the way. I'm not happy about it. But brace yourselves. Winter is coming.

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  55. Let's say hypothetically SP is gone after this year. Who would be the most logical replacement? Which person could really bring this program back to respectability?

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    1. We should ask Barry Alvarez who's currently on Wiscy's AD staff that he wants to pawn off on anybody stupid enough to take them off his hands.

      Or maybe we should call Dellovade and ask who he'll insist to get?

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    2. Dan Radekovich

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    3. Well, I said this before, but Whit Babcock was the guy. Cincy is a very similar school to Pitt, and he hired 3 coaches in a row since 2000 that won a ton of games of Cincy- Dantonio, Kelly, and Jones. Unfortunately, he just took the VT job.

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    4. This is a pretty good article on the subject. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1605115-what-makes-a-college-athletic-director-successful.

      Personally, I'd look to MAC/AAC/CUSA ADs who have had 2 out of 3 head coaches who have won 9/10 games before being picked off by P5 schools. In the alternative, I think you can look to a good football program and try to identify assistant AD's who have promise - I don't know how someone like us finds that out. But, that's how I'd do it.

      And not that you asked for it, but I want to hire Pete Lembo to replace Chryst. But Michigan might before we get the chance.

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    5. First, I want a hiring committee comprised of Pitt men, or at least Western PA natives who are football people. There are a lot out there and I want their imput. We may lack in recent wins but we do not lack in NFL legends and college football analysts. It really blows my mind that the same city with one of the absolute best run NFL franchises (and I do not live in Pittsburgh and am not a Steelers fam) is also the city with one of the most inept P5 football programs. We need to convince some of the Steelers admin to work with Pitt, maybe through a temporary advisory board or something, to look at our program and offer thoughts on how to improve.

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    6. @6:18, that is without a doubt the best idea I have heard bar none. That would be incredible. Great resume. Western PA guy. Genius. Great suggestion.

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    7. Let me first start by saying I don't support this idea at all, but just throwing it out there for purpose of conversation. Would anyone get Dan Marino back involved with the program now that he has been let go by CBS?

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    8. No to Marino.
      There is a lot be being an AD. Not just picking a coach, attending games, or pressors.
      Budgets, marketing, profit/loss, etc.
      Sports is a business and you need a business type person to be AD!

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    9. There's a difference between finding a role for the guy and making him AD.

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  56. Who is going to be the first imbecile to say Wanny's name. Despite the fact that he has no business experience and burned all of his bridges.

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    1. It appears that the University of Pittsburgh is content on stating they want to try to play and participate in big time college football but their actions do not support this.

      There needs to be a complete change in the administration within the athletic department driven from the top with a full commitment, otherwise we will be bitching about this forever.

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    2. How did Wanny burn his bridges. People tend to forget that after that press conference where he walked out early with his players, he stayed on for 3 more weeks to prepare the team for bowl game ..... which they won 27-10. He didn't accompany the team to the bowl, but he stayed HC until they left for the bowl ... which was his decision.

      Fact is that the AD hired his replacement within 2 weeks after letting Wanny go while Wanny was still officially coaching the team.

      I'm not saying that Wanny would be a good AD, but he has been at Pitt since, at a handful of BB games

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    3. Absolutely 8:25. Wanny has a lot more good will than Pederson does.

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    4. I hope this doesn't make me an imbecile, but I think I could accept Wanny as AD. He wasn't a great gameday coach (to be kind...), but there was never any doubt that his heart was with and for Pitt. He'd be a good ambassador.

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    5. You are an imbecile!! The AD needs to have business acumen in this day and age. Wanny lacks that.

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  57. Lake Dawson, check his Resumé

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    1. He definitely seems like a guy I'd give a shot. Will a guy on the fast track to NFL executive go the college route?

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  58. One day the Panthers will win out on a local recruit

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    1. And I'd be shocked if today is that day.

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    2. Related to an earlier post, I don't think it matters who the next AD might be. Pitt's academic administration has never really put their money where their mouth is. They have a business model that works. Nordenberg was supportive of the athletic department and wanted a winning team but would not allow the financial support to do this. If the Board of Trustees and the Chancellor were committed to increasing staff salaries then it would happen. This is why Pitt hired the wife beater after Wanny was fired. He was cheap. If the administration was serious about competing at a high level you pay within reason competitive salaries for all staff. Where is al the $17 million in ACC money going? An administration truly committed to competing at the highest levels of the conference would be willing to pay $500k+ for coordinators and position coaches over $200k. I am ok with Pitt not wanting to pay a head coach $5 million or coordinators over $1million. But Pitt would have a much larger pool of coaches with demonstrated coaching and and recruiting success then we have seen if the budget allowed for this. I am not a defender of SP but he can't print money to pay his staff. Also, there is no guarantee the new Chancellor really cares to improve the status of the football program (by increasing funding for it). He might feel the status quo is ok and if this continues, Pitt will actually fall further behind as schools willing to pay to play increase their investment while Pitt's financial commitment declines in relative terms.

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    3. I tend to agree with you. Though it's just as reasonable to assume the new chancellor does care more about athletics as it is to assume he's the same. Time will tell.

      One of the best ways to tell will be the next coaching contract. Whether it's a Chryst extension or a new coach all together it will be the first deal that can incorporate ACC revenue.

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  59. Chris,

    Still a couple of hours left. Where is Jordan Whitehead going?

    Here's your chance.

    PittofDreams

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    1. I'm picking Ohio State .. pure guess, have NO information or logic involved. Just, where I would go if it was down to those 4. Hail to Pitt !

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    2. My guess would be WVU. I think the Beaver County connection with Shell and Henry wins out.

      I think Pitt is a huge underdog, and I'd be very surprised Pitt is his choice. Whatever happens, I wish the young man well, and hope he makes the best decision for himself.

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    3. The Beaver County kids are sticking together, Jordan Whitehead is going to West Virginia

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    4. Anonymous@1:40.....Wrong!!!

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