Saturday, September 13, 2014

Pittsburgh 42 Florida International 25

And you thought a 17-point win couldn't be embarrassing. Wrong!!! Some thoughts of this ugliness.

1. At least it's a win, FIU is maybe the worst major college program in the country so I wouldn't be too happy about this. And I don't agree with people that say Pitt would have lost games like this in the past. This FIU team lost to Bethune-Cookman, a FCS school, and they are at that level. This may be the worst program Pitt has played in decades. There was a reason there were about a thousand fans there.

2.  I was hoping James Conner could get a rest in this game but Pitt's awful start (and middle, and end) prevented that. He chugged out a harder than expected 177 yards on 30 carries. He also had 3 touchdowns. He also had two fumbles, tough, and that continues to be a problem for him.

3.  Chad Voytik still isn't lighting up the airways as he went 9-17 for 84 yards, and a TD. He also had an interception. He's going to have to get much better in his passing if Pitt is going to beat real times. They are not going to be able to run over everybody. Voytik did run over everybody though as he ran for 113 yards on 12 carries. He also ran for a touchdown.

4.  Tyler Boyd had just 4 catches for 50 yards, including a nice TD grab.

5.  The defense was not good, giving up way too much to such an awful team. Nobody really stood out for the good, and the cornerbacks again looked suspect. They did have four sacks but for most of the game there wasn't much pressure.

6.  Paul Chryst replaced Voytik with Trey Anderson early in the 4th quarter with Pitt up by just 7 points. This is what's known in the business as stupid.  Anderson fumbled the snap on second down then got sacked form behind on 3rd down. I have no idea why he did that. If Voytik had to come out for some reasonable reason than I will take it back, but they didn't work on him and he came back on the next drive.

7.  The pass protection is still not good.

8.  Pitt had more yards, 418-300. The Panthers ran for 320 yards, but passed for just 98.  FIU had 62 yards rushing, on 1.9 yards a carry, but had 238 yards passing. Giving that much up to most teams would be good, but this is FIU we're talking about.





120 comments:

  1. East Carolina?? Given what they did to Va Tech, it would've been a good win.

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  2. I thought East Carolina beat Virginia Tech.

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    1. The original title was Pitt 42 East Carolina 25. It has been fixed.

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    2. I was watching ECU at the time.

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  3. Pitt is 3-0 so that is the big positive. Everyone wanted Anderson to play in this game so Chryst gave them what they wanted! Unfortunately Chryst is handicapped by the wrong quarterbacks for his system as both were recruited for an up-tempo offense. It seems the Chryst has realized that and is changing his offense to allow them to run on designed plays. We may run out of quarterbacks by mid season doing this though.

    Pitt did not come into the game respecting FIU and the first half is the result. Hopefully Iowa will be complacent when they come to the Burgh next week after this performance by Pitt.

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  4. What is stupid is running Conner 30 times after he ran 36 times last week.
    Conner won't make it to the end of the season at that rate.

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    1. Why didn't James see any action ? He might have had some success and spelled Conner a little.

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    2. Because Chryst rides his horses until they die.

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    3. I think today's showing brought the fan base down to earth a little. Folks were getting pretty excited at 2-0 when, truthfully, we were probably one of the most over-rated 2-0 teams. Lots to work on because today's performance won't cut it going forward.

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    4. ??? Dokes.
      Wisky always had a multi-RB attack.
      Seems Chryst feels pressure to win at all cost. Perhaps his seat is a little warm?
      Pitt is deep at RB. Conner should carry at max 25.

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    5. Yeah, when a coach appears to be doing things the right way and looking like his team is turning the corner on the field- his seat must be getting warm. Brilliant analysis.

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  5. I'll take 3-0, but what an ugly way to get there. It's good that Pitt came back from being down, but it's inexcuseable that they were losing by 16 to a team as bad as FIU. My first thought was same ole Pitt, start believing in them, and then they rip your heart out.

    Hopefully they'll learn that you have to take every game seriously, and respect every opponent. All it takes is a couple turnovers, a couple lucky breaks, and all of a sudden a team like FIU gets momentum and starts believing it can win. Coach Chryst surely remembers the YSU debacle.

    Let's learn from it, put it behind, and get ready for Iowa.

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  6. a win but an ugly win...i said in past post not to overlook fiu and read the news clippings...well todays performance shows what happens when you do. as well prepared as the team looked in its first two games the panthers started out uninspired and had to scramble for the victory. this team is not good enough to look ahead on the schedule and decide we will win this game or that game because pitt is no longer a well kept secret on other teams radars.

    defense is vulnerable in the secondary and was exposed again. this needs to tighten up or get more pressure on the qb

    rori blair great game...

    alex officer..some great run blocks

    with the heat and humidity not a good day to as dokish said ride the horses until they die. with year three for hcpc these types of mental lapses need to not happen. where was james to spell the backs?

    bennet some key plays at crucial times..

    chad need to figure out some plays for him to throw to the tight ends ..while there were several drops he needs to get in a rhythm..

    probably the biggest positive out of this is that two years ago the team would have quit and this could have been another fcs debacle.

    iowa is no top 10 team but they travel well and they will be the first big test for the mental toughness of this team..back to basics guys..put away the schedule and focus on the next opponent only...

    hail to pitt...

    gary in cleveland

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  7. I thought the posting of East Carolina was a nice touch given the way the day went in the ACC. If you did not know Pitt beat FIU you must also not know we do not play Rice this year and should not be reading this blog. Disappointed it was not on purpose:)

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  8. FWIW, margin was exactly what Sagarin;s computer predicted. FIU at home about a 60 rating (about 1 TD worse than BC) and about a TD stronger than Delaware, Pitt about a 76-77 Sagarin rating.. Without fumbles Pitt would have covered the 25.5 Vegas spread--maybe have even won by over 30. Pitt fans are being typical and over-reacting to a single game. Players undoubtedly came into the game thinking they wouldn't need much effort to win, they learned a valuable lesson, hopefully. Also, FIU is not quite as bad as fans believed. They would beat Delaware handily.

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    1. Lets just accept that we played like crap against a bad team but thankfully still found a way to win. We're all happy we won, but if you pass the computer test but fail the eye test there's something wrong with your computer model.

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  9. Congratulations, you are officially the Home Depot Homer of the Week. Jeez, Pitt will not cease to exist if you criticize them.

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  10. Unlike in past years against bad/lower-division opponents, I was never scared for a single moment that Pitt would lose to FIU. That's progress of a kind, since we’ve had reason to worry like that in the Chryst era.

    Sometimes the coaches throw up a stinker, too. I simply don't understand why Chryst feels he has to get Trey Anderson some work in game situations, but for only one useless series. Our young, brand-new starting QB needs EVERY snap he can get — especially considering his size and skill-set are similar to another young QB Chryst mentored well in WI. (No, I'm not saying Voytik is another Russell Wilson, only that Voytik fits the basic prototype: small, mobile, with a decent arm and ability to throw on the run and a strong rushing attack behind him.) We should be able to win with this kid and that formula, but Voytik needs ALL the reps.

    Good teams do what Pitt did to Delaware. Good teams also occasionally sleepwalk through a game against a terrible program because they are looking forward to an important "statement" game the following week. If we play FIU 20 times, we win all 20 — and probably by at least 25 every other game but this one. Conner was untouched on two of his long TD runs. That tells me this was a “focus” problem, something that fixes itself. I am very “blah” about this stinker performance in front of the most pathetic home crowd I’ve ever seen.

    Next week at Iowa has always been circled on the schedule, but the Hawkeyes are turning out to look pretty bad after losing to ISU today. (Indeed, the whole Big Ten is turning into a joke.) I’ll only become concerned if we play this poorly and lose/almost lose next week, because that will mean we could be in some real trouble for the rest of our ACC schedule. If the Pitt that played BC comes back as the regular level of focus and results by the players and the coaches, Kirk Herbstreit’s prediction of Pitt playing in the ACC Championship Game is not so wild.

    I don’t want to be in the running for the Home Depot Homer of the Week, but no one is going to look back at this game as a sign of things falling apart for the Panthers this year.

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    1. My criticisms are just for this game. Pitt is young and young teams do this. I'd be remiss if I didn't criticize when it's deserved however.

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    2. Your criticisms are valid, Chris.

      My understanding is that Pitt is the youngest team in FBS. The closeness of this game is a good reminder to the kids that they have to play with maximum effort and focus at all times. I'm sure the young players will remind themselves daily from her on out — especially emerging leaders like Conner — that their desire to build something at Pitt that will last for years to come depends on their effort, attention to detail, and accountability on every play in every game.

      That is a very good thing for such a young team to realize — and in a win, not a loss.

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    3. About the idea that the young players are taking their own initiative to create a culture of accountability, said Conner after the game:

      “At halftime, I stood up in front of the whole team and said I take blame for this,” Conner said.

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  11. If the team realizes that they need to take each opponent seriously then this was a good win.

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  12. How about Wanny taking a swipe at Smiley the Clown? While I agree with Wanny, he should have been classier and not taken out a personal vendetta in that manner.

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  13. Boston College upsets USC 37-31 and ran for over 400 yards in the process. Boy does that Boston College look good for Pitt right now!

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    1. Yes - that certainly adds a lot of credibility to Pitt's win there last week.

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    2. Yep.
      But Sagarin this morning still as Pitt at 43. Just about the same as last week.
      But it's tooo early in the season to look at Sagarin. Not reliable because I don't see how Virginia is ranked 70th at the moment after beating Louisville and close game with UCLA who was ranked 7th when they played them.

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    3. Any system that has UVA ranked 70th in the country is fully worth ignoring. That beyond stupid. Almost beats UCLA, Beats, Louisville who dismantled Miami and is basically a Mountain West team? Come on, man.

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    4. UVa got only 1 pts in the Coaches poll.
      and 6 pts in the AP poll.
      smh

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  14. Conner fumbled at the FIU 9 and 4 yd line..if those two drives end up as TD's and the final is 56-25, is the criticism just as harsh?

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    1. And if FIU didn't suck they'd win. I mean, you can't say that. He did fumble. And Pitt was down 16-0 to an atrocious team. That's bad. Nobody is saying it's the end of the world, but it definitely wasn't good.

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    2. If, If, If, If...
      Sorry, the scoreboard at the end of the 1st Qtr is the only thing that matters.
      Would have, could have, should have is just plain BS in sports.

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    3. Actually, no. The scoreboard at the end of the game is all the matters, but you're right that Conner has to own his mistakes.

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  15. Criticism is deserved but the alternative (a loss to that dreadful team) was avoided. If Conner doesn't fumble twice in the first half it may have been a much easier win. Biggest concerns to me are the passing game but then, we're talking about a QB with three starts under his belt. I would think play action would be so effective considering the opponents are expecting run, run, run.

    The defense bites on the mis-direction plays and the secondary is still a big question mark.

    I'm happy they're 3 - 0 and I'm going to the game this Saturday for my first look at them in person this season. Hoping for a win.

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  16. WHY DO WE SCHEDULE THESE OPPONENTS!? The schedule blows. I'd rather us get blown out by West Virgina than watch this shit.

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    1. This was scheduled years ago when FIU was a bowl team. And it exposes Pitt to Florida kids.

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    2. There was actually an ESPN piece on the ACC blog about this subject actually. It basically came down to FIU didn't want money as much as they wanted a home-and-home and because of all the holes in our schedule because of realignment (not just ours but everyone's) FIU was the last girl without out date.

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  17. I've seen high school games with more fans at the stadium. The atmosphere of the game just begs for the favorite to be disinterested - and they were for 1 quarter.

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  18. Number 6 Playing of Anderson - HC PC has developed several QBs in the past, including one with limited abilities that won a Super Bowl. While I never heard a coach justify sitting a QB because he "did not want the player to let the game get to big" (see the game from another perspective) that sounds like an insightful coach to me that knows more than me, as difficult as that sounds since I am home on my couch watching the game (sarcasm added). HC PC is developing a QB and is not as interested in the results of one series of downs as are fans that only care if Pitt wins the game. The fact that I never heard another coach express this reason for playing another QB does not make it wrong or even stupid. It depends on the players and the coach involved and it seems to have worked out OK for them.

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    1. It was dumb. There is absolutely no way to see it any other way.

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    2. No. Chris is right. That was awful decision. And I would add that the whole first quarter is the first glaring example of a big coaching error! We just aren't talking about it because we still managed to win by 17. Chryst scripts the first couple series of every game, really. He immediately went to a no Conner (Bennett started), no run, all pass play calling to start the game. That was the wrong thing to do. That's the type of play calling he should have gone to AFTER the first quarter were we're up 14-0 because we did what we normally do. He skipped over the part where we have to actually earn the right to sit our starters and try plays for the sake of getting new plays in by pounding them and getting an early double digit lead.

      And before everyone complains, I am big Chryst fan, I'm just calling it like I see it. If he had gone full bore on a typical game plan and run the ball with Conner we're up early and we sit our starters so they're rested for Iowa. But Chryst got cocky (or let his staff get cocky) and this was the result.

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  19. Pitt won, didn't play well, has a lot to work on, and hopefully learned some lessons. Move on

    bill

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  20. Well, with a young team you're gonna have to have some games where the couches can teach the pups some lessons. It's nice that we played like hell and got that game without actually losing, I guess. Despite everything I still think we're in good shape in both of the next two games. Getting to 5-0 even if we go 3-4 down the stretch would be an improvement.

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  21. I'm just gonna put this out there. When I watch Chad Voytik I see a poor man's Tim Tebow. He's really a tailback with limited passing ability but good instincts. I'm not D-1 head coach obviously, but I would really try to introduce some read option principles with Voytik and Boyd playing the 2 man game on the outside. It solves two problems at once.

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  22. Disagree. I believe Voytik will end up being a very good college QB. I see a lot of similarities between him and Tyler Palko.


    PittofDreams

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    1. Chris,

      Not me again. Who is this guy?

      PittofDreams

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    2. POD.... Dual personality?? LOL

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  23. Palko wasn't a good college qb either. Flacco should have been the starter.

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    1. Jerry,

      Not me. An imposter who's obviously infatuated with Voytik and is afraid to put his own name on his comments.

      Anyone who's read this Blog for the past couple of years knows I've always been critical of Voytik's ability to throw the football.

      PittofDreams

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    2. Sorry Buddy

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  24. Mole -you're fulla crapolla. Palko was a good college QB. You're fixation on Flacco is simply 20-20 hindsight.

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    1. Actually it wasn't. I've always liked Palko as a Safety, never as a qb. He was Tebow before Tebow. If you were watching the two during practice, it was pretty obvious who was the more polished of the two. Get out of La La land POD

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    2. Palko was the more polished and ready QB. When Flacco was at Pitt he was a project.

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  25. Pitt favored by 4 over Iowa. Have too many bad memories when Pitt is favored especially after the severe flashbacks suffered for almost a half this past Saturday. Hope Voytik can complete some passes or we will have to continue to run the same modified run option offense used against FIU. That type of offense will not cut it against the big boys or even Iowa.

    Couple comments on QBs. First the comment about Russell Wilson having limited abilities is a joke right? He torched Pitt at NC State before ever arriving at Wisconsin. He also was a half decent baseball player before concentrating on football as a career. Unfortunately Voytik does not appear to be anywhere close to Russell Wilson in talent at this point in his career. Second, if we have to continue to use the run option offense that was employed against FUI, we are going to need two quarterbacks because there is no way Voytik is going to be able to take a pounding every game from the ACC defenses coming up on the schedule. Who is our third string quarterback?

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    1. We were favored by 4 against BC a couple weeks ago and that turned out OK.
      And our third stringer is true freshmen Adam Bertke. So Anderson and Voytik would both likely need to have broken legs before we see him. He did get some pretty strong reviews for a true freshmen in camp though. Looks like a giant on the sidelines too - wear's Savage's jersey no less.

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  26. Why is Iowa Pitt's best non-conf game? WVU plays bama and LSU.

    With the new playoff, have to schedule better but that requires an AD who isn't clueless.

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    1. Some years schools have a loaded schedule and sometimes they don't. Pitt in 2016, for example, has a loaded schedule. Sometimes it's just out of your control.

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    2. Ok, 2016, what about the last 10 years?

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    3. In the last 10 years they've played Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Iowa, Utah, Miami, NC State, Michigan State, Virginia, and Nebraska out of conference. That's more than competitive.

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    4. in a few years, we play at PSU and Ok St the same year. We also play ND at home that year.

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    5. Steve Pederson is avoiding playing WVU at all costs. This game could happen next year if he would accept it but he continues to make excuses for the game not to happen. Oliver Luck has made it very obvious that Pederson is the hold up on the Backyard Brawl

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    6. Not playing WVU is one of the few smart things Pederson has done.

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    7. Lol, you got that right

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    8. Mole head - it was the comments Luck made about Pitt which makes the renewal of this rivalry dead. Completely dead.

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    9. We derive no advantage by playing WVcc. It's a complete waste of time, and I have yet to talk to a Pitt fan in person who wants a back. Everyone I ask says who cares when you have PSU coming up and ND every couple years for the foreseeable future because of the ACC deal.

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    10. It's dead because it's been one sided over the past 10 meetings.

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    11. I wouldn't want to play a team that's beat me 14 out of the last 20 Times either. Smart move Pederson

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    12. I just wish we played top sec teams. Chris you can't compare nc state and iowa like you did above to LSU and bama.

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    13. LSU or Alabama killing Pitt will only hurt the program.

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    14. Think pitt can be competitive with them anytime soon? We don't have a funky offense like wvu so it's a bad matchup i realize.

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  27. Tim Tebow was a great college quarterback (at 235 lbs he ran over people) so the comparison to disparage Voytik is silly (if that was the intent). Anyway, it seems to me that Voytik had few situations where he was able to stay in the pocket for the simple reason that FIU's defense broke through consistently. On TV you don't get to see the receivers' pass routes but I got the impression that the receivers were covered which is pretty sad. One more point, the safety (against Pitt) was pathetic. How does Pitt not pick up that blitz and why did Voytik set up in the end zone by one yard? Sorry but I blame the coaches for that. Right now, I see Voytik as having three games experience. He's 3 and 0. I think he is going to be a player.

    One last point: I read 20 blogs a day. The comments on this bog are invariably intelligent. Keep it up everyone.

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    1. In my opinion, Voytik won't be the starter next year unless he picks up his passing game the rest of this season. Anyone can hand the ball off.
      If you read any of the summer camp stuff, the Frosh that is RS this year sounds good. He fits the prototypical QB... tall 6'6" I believe, strong arm.

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    2. Good post Jay. Ignore Jerry the Mole.

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    3. I wrote the Tebow comment and let me just clarify. It's not an insult to compare a starting QB to a Heisman winning 2 time national champion, and I didn't mean it as one. I pointed it out because we are all collectively expecting the wrong thing from Voytik. He's never going to be anything more then a "meh" passer, but that doesn't mean he doesnt have a value at QB and won't win a lot of games. His arm hasn't improved since we saw him in the bowl last year, that much is clear. And He's in his 3rd year in the weight room and under the same coaches. I don't expect much of a leap.

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    4. It's way too early to say Voytik won't develop into a good passer. He could catch fire in the blink of an eye or he could get beaten out by Bertke next year. Time will tell.

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    5. A Marino arm or a Savage arm doesn't come around (at Pitt) often. That said, I believe Voytik can become a very good college and winning QB. I expect him to.

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  28. Jay Kaplan MYOB or learn to pay attention to detail. The Tebow comment was in reference to Palko not Voytik, so your intent to belittle my post was silly at best.

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  29. Dokish, glad to see you are still making o go of this blog. Good stuff. Pitt's big OL struggles against smaller outside speed rushers which doesn't bode well for games against VT, VA and Miami. Voytik was pressured in the pocket and hit more than expected. They need to fix that and at least chip the rucshers when there is a speed differential like that. Actually think CV was injured or cramped right before Anderson came in. I watched the tape again and he clearly wasn't right (almost fell to the field), so I have no problem with the substitution.

    Bennett played rally well and ran with authority. He must have practiced harder than James last week. Officer must have done the same, over Roberts. Now if we can only have someone practice better than Pitts at corner! His effort on WR screens was a sham! The tape will prove that out. No fight or desire there, sorry. Reggie Mitchell seemed a step slow and M Garner gave up again on pass routes.

    Well, we didn't fumble any punt returns although at a critical juncture of the game, TB returned a punt and got hit and he didn't take care of the ball at around midfield. It was sticking out, unprotected at a critical point in the game. We were lucky. Perhaps he was trying to do too much instead of just doing the basics. A fumble on that punt and Pitt would have been in trouble.

    Please don't comment on schedules unless you look things up. Please tell me who WV played out of conference the last three years. One better, please tell me who Alabama played the last five years OOC. Penn State too..Without exhibition games there is no room for error. As such, you schedule two cupcakes and two similar teams, unless you are top10, then it becomes 3 cupcakes and one similar.

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    1. He wasn't hurt. Chryst said he took him out because he wanted him to see the game from the sideline.

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    2. RE: OL trouble with outside speed rushers: It looked to me like our OL guys lineup shoulder to shoulder without gaps--a good thing for running but bad for passing. As a result an outside rusher can lineup wide of the OT and still get to a straight quick shot at the QB. So, it looked to me more related to the tight OL lineup rather than bad play by the OTs.

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  30. Paterno said he didn't know anything either, lol. It was just an observation that he was either cramping or hit, but I watched it twice now and he looked dazed, almost like he didn't know what he was doing. Would be interested if anyone else noticed, that's all.

    IS the projected #1 OL pick (Schnerff) playing this week? I saw that hew was slated as the 5th pick overall in the coming draft. Part of me wants Rori to go against someone of his caliber, but another part wishes him a speedy recovery and be ready to go this coming Sunday, not Saturday.

    Anony 9:28, that may be what I was seeing, but it is difficult watching that on tv. I did note the outside speed rush that got to Voytik too many times. Looking forward to seeing the Hawkeyes Saturday. Drove through Columbus this afternoon and they were all saying that they felt Iowa would beat Pitt pretty bad which would make the Big10 gain back some respect. Bobby Carpenter said "Pitt is not good at all". I did call and remind them that the Big10 has only won one game against the big five conferences. I sure hope Voytik and Boyd come up big this week.

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  31. Here's what I posted about Chad Voytik way back in April 2013...

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    Voytik looks like he has a little "gamer" in him.

    As I've said since seeing him first play in high school... he is a good, strong athlete. However, some limitations as a QB.

    He does not have a natural throwing ability. Has a bit of a forced throwing action. Relies a lot on muscle to get the ball to where he's aiming.

    Problem is this kind of throwing motion does not lend itself to a strong arm. This is obvious in the deeper routes where the ball tends to die. It also results in some flutter balls because of the lack of spin he is able to put on the ball.

    For Voytik to be successful, he's going to need more than a little gamer.

    If I had to say, he reminds me a bit of Bill Hurley of Syracuse now Duquesne's DB coach who most probably remember being drafted by the Steelers as a safety.

    However, I remember Hurley giving good Pitt defenses all it could handle.

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    A year and a half later... I think it's pretty much on the mark.

    The REAL PittofDreams

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    1. Makes you wonder of those Rivals QB camps.
      Voytik was invited to several select QB camps. He never had his height measured and never did some of the other measurables as presumably they would affect his ranking.
      He was ranked 4th in nation by rivals as pro-style QB in HS.
      Played in the Army bowl.

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    2. Good God, he's started twice in his sophomore year. Let it play out.

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    3. It's his 3rd season at Pitt.
      I would expect better than this from a 4star ranked 4th in the country that played in the Army bowl with all the hype he had coming out of HS and all the offers he had.

      Just saying, POD was saying it long before anyone this year.

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    4. It was no secret that Voytik is raw and inaccurate. I must have mentioned that there were questions about Voytik at least 50 times since he's been at Pitt. But he's still just started two games in his career so it's crazy to throw the towel on him so soon.

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    5. Not according to Elite 11 camp.
      or
      those camps and evals are bs.

      http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/6794915/trio-share-mvp-honors-elite-11

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    6. That says he's a good leader. What does that have to do with anything?

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  32. What potential recruiting targets will be at the game on Saturday...that we actually have a chance at getting?

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    1. Per Sam Werner of the PG, Pitt may only take 1-2 more commitments for the current 2015 recruiting class. That means Whitehead, if he would commit to Pitt, and maybe one other.

      There seems to be more activity by the Pitt staff on possible 2016 commits (i.e., currently high school juniors). There would probably be more of them at the game than seniors, I would expect.

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    2. Saleem Brightwell and Jay Stocker could both be added soon. Whitehead, like Shareef Miller I'd guess, is a guy they would simply find room for if they to come to Pitt no matter what.

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  33. Let's get back to intelligent posts. There's too many people with agendas. You can any stance you want on any subject as long as it's intelligent and helpful to the topic.

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  34. voytek showed great leadership when "lay the hammer down" left and seems to be a leader on and off the field. he runs well and seems to be a smart QB. for those who say two and half games in a college career is enough to judge him, especially when they have won all those 2.5 games go to where my in-laws are from Greece and try to figure out why Greece is so screed up economically. Please, Voytek has alot of skill, leadership and poise, he will end up being a Tyler Palko QB

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    1. It's 3.5 games over the course two seasons where he'd presumably show some improvement over the off season. Just so we're all on the same page.

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    2. 2.5 or 3.5 games is splitting hairs. It's still a small sample size.

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    3. This is voytik 3 season in the program.
      He's not a true freshman for goodness sake.
      But the arm/throwing isn't going to change with more experience. Anyone can hand it off. I expect better from a 4star that was in the Army game.

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    4. He's a redshirt sophomore who started just three games. Still very young. Also, some of the most prolific passers in college football history had mediocre arms. Votyik's arm is better than average. His problem is not arm strength, it's accuracy.

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    5. Anon @9:49 AM

      For the umpteenth time, the star grading process is not what we should be focusing on. In the 80's Pitt got Rich Bowen, Parade AA, as I remember. A total bust at Pitt. Others can fly under the radar and do well in college (i.e.Alex Van Pelt). Judge these kids for what they are and what you see. I think Voytik will be a fine college QB. Somewhat reminds me of a young Congemi.

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    6. Aaron Donald - Rivals 3 stars. Ratings do have limitations.

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    7. A "young" John Congemi?? The one who was awesome in '83 and early '86... or the one who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in '84/'85? ;-)

      The Pitt South Carolina game from '84 is on YouTube, BTW. Check out Congemi's first quarter. He makes Voytek look like a f'n All-American.

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  35. Everything you need to know about James Conner... including how his Senior Season as a Runningback in High School convinced Pitt Coaches he was BETTER than any other RUNNINGBACK they were recruiting, even the ones they missed out on.

    http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/09/16/james-conner-pittsburgh-panthers

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    1. Which POD is this? The real or unreal one? LOL

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    2. You can tell the real 'PittofDreams' thru the frequent use of CAPS LOCK! ;-)

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  36. The one with the HIGH BATTING AVERAGE.

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  37. Chris, I just saw that many of the big time western PA recruits of significance are going to be in Morgantown this Saturday - Whitehead, Matthews, Wade, Pugh at the very least, and possibly more. Doesn't this seem bizarre? Since when do all of the top recruits from a geographic area band together to go visit a non-local school that's not even in the same state and plays in a conference half-way across the country? Maybe I'm just misremembering, but I don't recall the local kids having this kind of interest in WVU even when they were in the same conference.

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    1. There's a group of Beaver County kids that are obsessed with WVU's way instead of Pitt's way.

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    2. Disagree Chris.
      The Beaver County kids are turned off by Chryst, specifically House. Henry is starting as true frosh at WVU. Shell is starting at WVU also.
      Clairton kids are re-thinking Pitt due to Coles.
      It is what it is.
      It's called recruiting. If Chryst wants to recruit elite, he has to recruit better.
      WVU also hired Tom Bradley who would land many top Wpial players when he was at PSU.

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    3. With the current Clairton kids unhappy at Pitt, don't be shocked if Mathews and Wade end up at Morgantown too

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    4. Who cares. Our 4 stars come from out of state now, and while I'll be happy to have any who want to come, I won't miss a single one who doesn't. All this crying over local kids is homerism at its worst. As to Clairton in particular, if a kid thinks he's more Coles than Boyd I don't want him anyway.

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    5. Chris, when you say Beaver County kids are obsessed with WVU's way, to what are you referring specifically?

      Would that be low academic standards, lax standards for personal conduct?

      If that's the case, I'd rather see them at WVU. I agree with Anonymous@ 9:15. If they'd rather be in a situation where's there's little accountability or standards, I say good luck in Morgantown. Let's get kids who actually want to be at Pitt.

      If these local kids think they'll be handed starting positions simply because they're from the area, then they need a reality check. The best players should play.

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    6. Why do people say "kids who actually want to be at Pitt"? These are 18-20 year old men who are usually making their first big decision in life. Sometimes the decision they make isn't always right, so they choose to transfer or choose a school other than Pitt. Why do guys like you chastise them for their decisions. Most of the complaints come from men over 21 who claim to have this excellent hindsight but never have been through the experience themselves.

      A kid that starts working at McDonald's may not want to work there their whole life, that doesn't mean they don't appreciate the experience or want better for themselves. Doke worked at Scout & Rivals amongst other publications and I guarantee that each experience was appreciated but he saw an opportunity elsewhere and took it and he's a grown man, so why knock an 18 year old for doing the same.

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    7. Homer 4:14.
      I could careless who Pitt gets, so long at they are elite and produce on the field and win games. What gets me is when Homers really want a player to pick Pitt, but when they pick some other school (WVU, PSU, etc) then all of a sudden the Homers make in fun of that school (WVU, etc).
      I frankly could careless what they do on their time. Pitt is in the ACC not Ivy League or Patriot League.

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    8. Anonymous@7:05 (or should I say the persistently negative Joe D)....first of all, it's "couldn't care less", not could care less.

      The comments about WVU were based in reality, not because some local kids went there instead of Pitt. I couldn't care less if a local kid decides to go elsewhere. It's widely accepted that WVU is not on par with Pitt academically.

      Jerry the Mole...I'm not chastising anyone, you're reading into something that isn't there. I'm saying if kids can't or won't accept the standards Coach Chryst sets, then they belong elsewhere.

      It seems like Joe D and Jerry were separated at birth. Does anyone ever notice a post on this blog from them when Pitt wins? Me either.

      That's what is meant by kids wanting to be at Pitt; those that accept and buy into the standards Coach Chryst sets.

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  38. And yet I strongly suspect that had Foster chosen Pitt, and had Shell been a bit more mature, there would be a lot less infatuation with the "WVU way."

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  39. Since you want to answer my post on twitter instead of here on the message board. Here is what you said. Remember? It had nothing to do with the program between Wannstedt and Chryst. I can read just fine.

    panthersprey.blogspot.com/2013...l-team.html?m=0


    Todd Thomas leaving the football team

    The hits keep coming for a reeling program as star linebacker Todd Thomas has informed head coach Paul Chryst today that he is leaving the team.

    Posted by Chris Dokish at Wednesday, August 07, 2013


    For those of you who don't follow the meaning of my post, I posted on another thread that after Chryst disciplined Thomas, he said the program was reeling. Now he has amnesia. Irresponsible comments like that make things tougher for the program. If you care about the program as you claim, you would choose your words more carefully. If I remembered I'm sure others did as well, especially recruits.

    mobile.twitter.com/ChrisDokish...708458915708928

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    1. First of all, I have no idea who you are. Secondly, I don't which message board you oozed from. I was told somebody said that I said recently that Pitt's program was reeling. And I got news for you. It was reeling. If you want to be a homer that's your problem but I don't do this to be a homer. Pitt's program was a laughingstock nationally until recently. And Pitt is still looked down on by many. I can't help it if you don't want to believe that. Lastly, it's not my job to be a part of Pitt's public relations department. I'm not out to make Pitt look good, I'm out to tell the truth. If you want a cheerleader site I suggest you ignore me and stay wherever you are.

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    2. Boy that fired me up!!!! Put me in Coach. :-)

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    3. Chris how do you see Pittsburgh panthers football program after Paul first three years

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  40. Tom Bradley would have fit in on this Pitt staff IMO but Pitt understandably wanted to keep their distance. Bradley at WVU will cost Pitt some recruits and the drastic difference in the universities (academic, geographic, conference, style of head coach...) will also naturally send certain types of kids toward WVU.
    That said, Chryst seems to know what type of kid he wants in the program and is not afraid to let kids that don't meet his criteria go elsewhere. This is not a bad thing as long as Chryst gets players who produce on the field. This defense and the players on it are the biggest question marks right now; if Pitt has a good defense all year we will have a lot less questions about House and the recruiting on that side of the ball and higher profile athletes will want to play D here. If that defense implodes the questions will grow and the pressure will grow to keep the kids at home and to change the coordinator.. pghfan1992

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    1. I disagree about the defense. The majority of players who are having an impact were here before House. You can make an argument for Webb, Soto (who isn't actually doing much) and Maddox. But the interior DL, Thomas and Gonzalez and Freeze - the guys actually doing something - were here before him. We may know if the guy gets the Xs and Os but we're not gonna know if the players he's brought in can play for a another year or so.

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