Monday, August 10, 2015

Pitt adds a local DT

The Pitt defensive line continues to get stronger for the future as 6'3" 270 pound Rashad Wheeler, of Central Catholic HS in Pittsburgh, chose the Panthers over offers from Penn State, West Virginia, Tennessee, Maryland, Virginia, Rutgers, Boston College, and others.

73 comments:

  1. Need one mor DT in this class, possibly a JuCo. The biggest shame is the last staff blew Jarrett's redshirt.

    ReplyDelete
  2. A great get! Definately a critical area of need. What are the chances of getting a commitment from Hudson? Isn't he supposed to announce soon?
    Good luck to Rashad and welcome to Pitt!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hudson was supposed to announce on Aug 8, but he tweeted that he was going to continue his recruitment & not announce for a while.

      Delete
    2. Close to zero. He was going to commit to WVU by all accounts last Saturday, but then PSU kicked D Kelly off the team and they have reportedly told Hudson his offer is commitable again after withdrawing a week or so ago. Hudson won't be a coming to Pitt unless something really changes.

      Delete
    3. Pitt is heavily involved with Hudson and has been all along. I wouldn't call them the favorite but Pitt's chances were never as small as people thought. This is one of those cases where people keep repeating it as fact, but it's just not true. In fact, the reason Hudson delayed a decision is because of Pitt. PSU is trying to land Pryts. I still don't think Hudson will end up at Pitt but the Panthers are still very involved.

      Delete
    4. Chris I don't think the new staff is going after Hudson that hard .

      Delete
    5. I know for a fact that they are.

      Delete
    6. Let's all remember that not many folks thought Whitehead would pick Pitt. I'd be surprised if Hudson chooses Pitt, but you never know until he signs on the dotted line.

      Delete
  3. A good get in an area of need....welcome to Pitt Rashad.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2828758/highlights/184338384/v2

    ReplyDelete
  4. You can make a case that 4-star transfer Hendrix is part of this class since he will have 3 year eligibility starting next year. DE Zach Gilbert appears to be a heavy Pitt lean. Pugh, Hamlin and Mathews will make for a pretty respectable class and I'm not even counting on Hudson or a Sanders flip.

    Unlike Chryst's recruiting classes, this current one leans heavily towards the defense ... which was much needed. Next year's class should be more balanced.

    bill

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That class would be more than respectable. It would put them in the top 25. They're currently No. 39.

      Delete
  5. What is the del with Anthony Long? I saw he tweeted a commit to Pitt a few months ago. I believe his page still shows him as a Pitt commit. I had heard he needed to get his acedemics in line. How does he compare to Wheeler?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Wheeler is more mobile. Long is more like a NT. And I can't get a straight answer about what's going on with him but technically he's not considered a commit at this time.

      Delete
  6. James Folson was moved to defensive end. Sounds like he's up to 240 pounds, which is good for a redshirt freshman. Whatever it takes to get talent on the field quicker. Hopefully Jamal Davis cracks the two deep at OLB come the YSU game.

    ReplyDelete
  7. And O'Neil from TE to OT. He is reportedly up from 260--ish to about 290.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Plus, O'Neil can spend this season focusing on bulking up to 310-315 pounds. He shouldn't be needed this season anyway.

    ReplyDelete
  9. I was somewhat surprised to read Carson Baker was shifted out to right tackle behind Bookser. That would make Grimm the backup at right guard. I'm sure the line spots aren't set in stone so early into camp. I do hope Whitehead is shifted back to cornerback, especially if Amara is healthy. Seems like there is more of a need for backup corners over safeties.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Ideally, I think the plan is eventually to have Whitehead at SS, Paris Ford at FS, and Damar Hamlin and Therran Coleman at CB. If they land Khaleke then I think he may end up at SS and Whitehead could move to WR. All, theoretically, of course. It rarely ends up the way you plan.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Is this the PITT fans version of a secondary Christmas list?!?!

      Delete
  11. Lugg to Notre Dame. This O-line coach is shades of Tom Freeman before even coaching a game. Nobody wants to play for him.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Chris what do you think about the offense tackle who committed to Notre Dame from North Allegheny I thought pitt was in the lead for him?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. So did everybody else. But he was blown away by his recent trip there.

      Delete
    2. I clearly remember the recruitment of Bill Fralic regarding his trip to Notre Dame years ago.

      It was thought that he was going out to South Bend just to experience the official visit thing that many recruits talk of and that he was always a major Pitt lean.

      He said that he was so blown away by the trip out there that if they had offered on the spot, he would have signed right then and there.

      If you're a good student and a good FB player and your team is competing against Notre Dame for the kid's services...good luck.

      Malik Zaire is another example although not local.

      It was my understanding that Pitt was full-blast all out for him but, he went to ND.

      Michigan has been that way to a lesser extent.

      It goes without saying but, we have a team this year that can win big and we really need to.

      We have everything in place now - have to get 10 wins this year and this Pitt FB program will roll.

      Delete
    3. The story I heard was Fralic wanted to go to Miami, Fla., first and foremost. Dad didn't want him to. He would have played with Kelly, Kosar and on a national title team.

      Delete
  13. I wonder if the old staff would of l let this happen they seem to get all the lineman in the area seems this crew has a hard time getting any lineman. Kelly comes in kid take two visits and he commits within a four month timeframe.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I will help the staff out go buy The golden rule ABC always be closing.!

    ReplyDelete
  15. I am surprised at some of the handwringing over OL recruiting

    1. Lugg is a 2017 recruit. Yes, he committed to Notre Dame today. LOI day is like 18 months away. Does anyone think Narduzzi will stop trying?

    2. This year's class was going to be small overall and especially so on the OL. I criticized Chryst plenty - but the one thing he did do was recruit OL. So this year's class had no glaring need. Out of 15 players Pitt will likely take , I bet there are no more than 2 OL. They have one committed to date so one to go.

    3. As to Lugg - if he does follow thru to ND, so be it. You can't win them all. And it is Notre Dame. They have a lot of appeal to some kids

    4. As to the anon poster who said no one wants to play for Peterson - are you mentally impaired or what. You do realize Peterson is the main recruiter in Ohio - and was the lead recruiter on Flowers, Ford, Hargrove, and co-lead on MacVittie. That is 4 out of Pitt's current 9 commitments

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. This class will be 20 not 15 and they're taking at least 3 lineman. Darius Harper just named us in his final two with Cincy and Chase Berdht has us in his final 3 and there are others.!

      Delete
    2. I think it will max out at 18, but if Price gets a sixth year that will cut in as well as guys who were thought to never play and move after the season but all of a sudden might play, like Caprara. If it was a 20-man class, hopefully four O-linemen and five defensive linemen are brought on board.

      Delete
    3. 20 - dream on. They have I believe 10 seniors on scholarship who graduate. Add Boyd and Conner and you are at 12. I doubt there is additional attrition of 8

      Delete
    4. I think they'll probably have 20.

      Delete
    5. Chris I think your right. All the southern school being in big # every year Scholarships to them or year-to-year there like NFL teams. Weather Pitt would do the same thing I think it has to do with a lot of coaching changes.

      Delete
    6. There are 8 seniors and 3 unused scholarships. Boyd and Conner gets you 13. Wuenster and Rippole are former walk-ons who will be redshirt seniors that won't have their scholarship renewed, that's 15. Jalen Williams and Ryan Lewis could easily be asked to move on. There's 17 without making any dents in the roster. Add in Hez Trehan and Shane Roy who have been completely passed over by transfers and position switches and one person getting injured or just leaving and it's easy to get to 20.

      Delete
    7. And right on queue Hez Trahan has left the team.

      Delete
    8. OK, I was wrong - I can see 20 being possible, I forgot about the 3 open ships currently

      Delete
  16. This staff needs to sign three O-linemen in this next class. Keeping building on the foundation that Chryst laid down. Injuries, attrition, etc., will always happen and the future is no time to be thin on the line. The O'Neil switch helps since just two linemen were in the 2015 class. The Missouri guard and flipping a verbal would be a good way to end the class.

    ReplyDelete
  17. New Pat Signal on Saturday night. Several visitors were at today's scrimmage. One? or more than one new commits?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. All signs point to Exree Loe. First commit for 2017.

      Delete
    2. 24/7 is reporting Exree Loe, as Anon said.

      Delete
  18. Also reported on the blather and pantherlair. He is a 2017 recruit (rising HS junior). His LOI date is Feb 2017 a solid 18 months off in the future. Hope he doesn't flip. That's a long way off.

    ReplyDelete
  19. I guess I need to put more info on here. I talked about Loe committing on Twitter last night and again this morning.

    ReplyDelete
  20. Another big one gets away from Dixon and his slipping team....to Auburn no less.

    https://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1792814

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Heron was gone long ago when slice left. This is not news. We weren't really in the running for him for a very very long time.

      Delete
    2. Slice is now at St. Johns - if he's so great, why didn't Heron commit there?

      Because Bruce Pearl now at Auburn is a much better recruiter than Slice (or Dixon for that matter) could ever dream of.

      Delete
  21. Recruiting in college basketball really smells of a foul odor. I thought that it really cleaned up but it looks like it's the same old way.

    ReplyDelete
  22. I moved on so long ago from Heron that I forgot he was a one-time Pitt commit.

    Dixon needs to get back to recruiting players who made this program what it was last decade. At least there is a nucleus that will be around two more seasons to keep the Panthers competitive while he tries finding guys who fit his system.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Another O-lineman off the board as Chase Behrndt from Missouri picks WVU.

    It's not time to panic yet with Peterson's recruiting and if he can nab Harper and the Rutgers kid who might flip I'd think that'd be pretty good since more tackles are needed, but it's a little disconcerting how badly Pitt whiffed on its higher-rated prospects. Luckil,y next year the numbers will still be strong, but a talented four-man class should be expected.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Don't forget that most of these kids they've only been recruiting for 6 months. It takes a lot longer than that to develop a relationship. Look at the '17 kids Pitt are very close with now. It takes a year or two to work on most kids.

      Delete
    2. The line depth isn't as great as you may think. Reese, Baker, Guy, Herndon, Grimm are unknowns. What does it say about Baker and Grimm that Herndon leapfrogs them after switching positions?

      Delete
    3. Jim Chaney thinks he has eight good OL now and seven are coming back. So while developmental guys are needed, they don't need anybody to come in and contribute right away. They'll get two more good ones to go with Ford.

      Delete
  24. Mack Brown's first full class at North Carolina was top 5 and that was coming off a 1-10 record. It can be done if you can recruit well. Ford, Harper and flipping the Rutgers kid would still be a very acceptable an O-line class.

    ReplyDelete
  25. Lots of people don't like to use Rivals star ratings... ok. I get that.
    What about what college offers the kid has?
    Ranked by offer gives points based upon quality of offers the player has. In other words, an offer from Alabama gets more points than an offer from Akron.
    So, when you look at Team ranking... Pitt is ranked 60th with it's 8 commits.

    http://www.rankbyoffers.com/2016fbteams/

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Those rankings make no sense. If a kid commits early then he's going to get limited offers obviously.

      Delete
    2. Most 4 and 5 star commit early.
      Rivals Top 200 in 2016, only 70 haven't committed yet.
      Most 4 & 5 star get tons of offers before summer Senior year.
      It's all relative.
      I'd rather look at offers (coaches evaluations) versus someone on Rivals, Scout, 247, etc.
      Pitt typically gets 2 and 3 star players and that is why Pitt is ranked 60th on Ranked by Offers.
      Chase Pine is a 3 star by Rivals and has 16 offers.
      Wheeler is a 3 star with some 15 offers.
      Ford a 3star that committed in March has 8 offers.
      So, your logic of limited offers is not accurate. A 2star is a 2star because of limited offers. Can't say that about 3 or 4 star players.

      Delete
    3. That's completely wrong. Offers don't mean anything a lot of the time. TEs, for instance, tend to get a lot more offers because of their unique size and athleticism combination.

      Delete
    4. I find it interesting that the only ranking system you put any faith in and don't dispute (avg. star ranking per recruit), is also the only one that doesn't make Pitt's class look bad.

      Delete
    5. I find it interesting that you never noticed that I've used that system for 10 years. All systems to determine the quality of a recruiting class are stupid but this method is significantly less stupid than some strange formula.

      Delete
    6. Ok honest question without trying to be overly negative, are you dismissing the fact that most experts have ranked both the 2015 and so far 2016 classes as below average because you think the players are better than their ranking, or because you are assuming that we are still going to add a couple legit 4 or 5 star guys? Honestly I want to believe your optimism, I'm a Pitt fan and don't like coming off so pessimistic and negative, but they've had 4 straight 6-win seasons followed by 2 recruiting classes that are thus far ranked pretty badly, and your tweets and articles make it sound like this is a powerhouse team. I just don't wanna get sucked in again like I have in the past.

      Delete
    7. I would consider the class currently to be "good". Not "excellent" or even "very good". I think when all is said and done it will be "very good". Could be as high as the 20s if everything goes right. But more conservatively it will probably be in the 30s.

      Delete
    8. Kelner's Missing EvidenceAugust 25, 2015 at 1:30 PM

      Narduzzi was part of a program - Michigan State - that was mediocre when he came aboard and was built into a conference power by finding players that other schools, namely Michigan and Ohio State, overlooked.

      I would expect his recruiting classes early at Pitt to fit that description. People expecting top 10 classes in February will likely be disappointed; they're far more apt to look a whole lot like Paul Chryst's.

      Delete
    9. That's a perfectly reasonable argument, but you have to see now how I'd be skeptical about recruiting classes that "look a whole lot like" the ones that never resulted in better than 6 wins.

      Delete
    10. Mediocre chancellor, mediocre athletic director, mediocre head coaches, and mediocre staff results in mediocre teams. Things are different this time.

      Delete
    11. Kelner's Missing EvidenceAugust 25, 2015 at 11:57 PM

      Mediocre Chancellor???

      Al, that's understandable, but I don't think it's accurate..

      Chryst's first full class - the Class of 2013, which included, among others, Boyd and Conner - are only juniors/redshirt sophomores.

      The 6 win seasons he (and Todd Graham produced) were done mostly with Wannstedt's and Graham's recruits.

      I did a quick look and by my count, 19 of the 27 players from that class are listed on the 2-deep (per Pantherlair). I think 2 or 3 have left the team, and the others weren't listed.

      Now, how many of these guys are legit players (Boyd, Conner, etc) and how many there more by default (?) could be the subject of another entry.

      Delete
    12. Mediocre chancellor for sports, not for the rest of the university.

      Delete
  26. Doke, You nailed it!

    The quality and quantity of offers only matter with 4-5 stars based on HS JR year performance and those players that commit at or after outstanding senior seasons.. The early commits who didn't star as HS juniors but looked great in tryout camp won't have either enough stars or enough offers to rate them on either basis.

    ReplyDelete
  27. Pitt is pretty deep at defensive tackle and will be thin at the position next season. I would't mind seeing Render redshirted at this point if his injury continues to hamper him. Jarrett, K.K., the MSU kid and Taleni could make up the four-man rotation. Having a guy like Moody, who has experience, as the fifth man is a luxury, too.

    ReplyDelete
  28. Josh Newkirk to Indiana. Who would have thought that? Most on the Lair must be thrilled he's finally gone as he was the whipping boy on there.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The next to go will be Dixon if he doesn't turn around the program.
      It has been in a dive since 2009.
      It's been a revolving door there. So much for Newkirk wanted to be closer to home excuse.
      Players are not coming to Pitt due to style of play and Dixon dictating every possession. Simple as that. They may not be NBA types but they want to have fun and not play a boring style of basketball.
      Let them play!

      Delete
    2. I know this decade hasn’t been as successful as the last, but lots of programs would take three NCAAs, a CBI title and an NIT appearance. There have been recruiting misses no question. The Steve Adams wait didn’t live up to the hype then he left early. Bad luck with Birch. If that 2013-14 team had Birch and Durand never injured his knee, that team makes a deep run in the tourney. Zanna, Birch and Patterson is one of the best frontcourts in the nation.

      The vibe isn’t like last decade but firing Dixon would be foolish. The next Pitt basketball coach will surely suck after hitting on Howland and Dixon. Keep Jamie as long as he’s making the postseason. This season should be a fun one providing Wilson is eligible. It won’t be as fun with no backup point guard. That should never happen, but it has possibly worked out that way. These next two years in hoops has a chance to be pretty good. Lots of juniors and experienced grad transfers on this team and next the juniors will be seniors, plus some younger players who should be better.

      Delete
  29. Given that he reportedly had microfracture knee surgery (and outcomes are usually not good--think Uchebo) it will be surprising if he gets much PT at Indiana (unless it is really Indiana PA).

    Hope things work out for him, however.

    ReplyDelete