Wednesday, August 5, 2015

Some Pitt football recruiting thoughts

Some notes that I posted on Twitter, but I wanted to put it in here, too.

1.  For Rivals rankings, I find their formula idiotic, and the reasons why are too boring to get in to. Others have written about it in detail, and let's just say they make no sense. The real rankings should be by average ranking per recruit. Following that, Pitt currently has the No. 42 recruiting class. Players like Damar Hamlin, Rashad Wheeler, Zack Gilbert, and Therran Coleman could make that go way up into the 20s, and there's a very good chance that will happen. And there may be a few other surprises along the way (including very possibly a huge one). But, bottom line, Pitt has a very good chance of ending up in the top 30 with Pat Narduzzi's first class.

2.  This class currently has a rating of 2.86 per recruit. Mark Dantonio's first class was 2.71. He had just one 4-star to go with 13 3-stars, and SEVEN 2-stars. His second class, when he had nearly two years to work on them, was a 3.3 and ranked No. 18. I suspect Narduzzi's second class will be equally impressive.

3.  Dave Wannstedt's first full class at Pitt was No. 22. Wannstedt followed that up with No. 26 and No. 19. Then the wheels came off at No. 40 and No. 30. Needless to say, Pitt's talent level started to drop and it was showing.

4.  The ACC recruiting is currently ranked: 1. Clemson, 2. Florida State, 3. Miami, 4. North Carolina, 5. Louisville, 6. Duke, 7. Pittsburgh, 8. Georgia Tech, 9. Boston College, 10. NC State, 11. Virginia Tech, 12. Virginia, 13. Wake Forest, 14. Syracuse. Expect Pitt to move up these rankings.

5.  At Michigan State, Narduzzi coached three consensus All-Americans and two No. 1 draft picks (one overlapped). All of them were 2-star or 3-star prospects, according to Rivals.

6.  Despite their coaching problems, Pitt has out recruited both Wisconsin and Michigan State 5 out of the last 10 years. In the seven years when the Pitt head coach had a full recruiting class, Pitt bettered those two schools 4 out of 7 years.  Moral to the story- Pitt did well recruiting when all hell broke loose. Imagine when there's stability.





34 comments:

  1. If memory serves, our illustrious AD reduced the recruiting budget causing DW not to replace Charlie Partridge's area (FL) when he went to Wisc. This reduced the amount of FL recruits which likely reduced the ratings.

    DW did try to rectify the situation by hiring LB Coach Clark but later on that year, DW was fired.

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  2. How are you basing first full class? By allotment? If not, this will be Narduzzi’s first full class since he would have coached a season before the next class signs. Coaches usually make the splash after completing their first season coaching the respective school. This class is moving along fine except on the O-line, where Narduzzi is falling victim to what hurt Wannstedt later: lack of local linemen. By 2010 Pitt was thin at the unit. There is still time to land a few guys on the line.

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    1. OL was not a huge need this year. Defense, WR, and a QB all came first. Brandon Ford is a good pickup and they'll get at least one more. Next year they will concentrate on OL more.

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  3. Pitt has the potential (university culture + geography + tradition) for a top-20 recruiting class ANNUALLY with the right and consistent coaching staff. It's the 30+ years of underachieving that has been so astounding.

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  4. So if Bricen Garner and Maurice French decommit we have a better class? Quantity has to be a part of the formula. 10 4 stars is better than 4 5 stars in my opinion.

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    1. Quantity should have nothing to do with it. Some programs have less scholarships to give and they get penalized for it. It makes no sense and those kinds of websites get deserved criticism for it.

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    2. Wouldn't it even out in the long run? If a team can only take 15 one year but takes a full 25 the next year they will receive a higher ranking the next year. Don't see how a 2 star decommiting can lead to a higher ranking.

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    3. If Quantity made no difference that means you'd be better off to get one 5-star recruit every year and have that be your only player. Because anyone you got after that would just lower your ranking.

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    4. Now you're just being ridiculous. Instead of some of you being so combative do some research online and read the criticisms yourself.

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  5. Chris I still like to see some pickups before we start talking top 30

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  6. For Pitt recruiting to live up to your expectations, then Pitt must win their first two games. Hopefully they then at least split the next two.

    As for how recruiting is rated, I absolutely agree with Chris. Why should a school be rated lower solely due to a smaller class?

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  7. So, I guess now Pitt is going to follow the "MSU model" after failing to win with the "Wisconsin model".

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    1. You forgot to mention the high octane model!

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    2. The Wisconsin and MSU models seem no different than the Wannstedt model. Wannstedt's secondaries never wowed anyone, but he never had a run of players to recruit from like the area is producing lately.

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    3. If DW was able to recruit quality OL and DBs, he would likely still be at Pitt. But I do agree, the current crop of DBs in the WPIAL is the best I can remember. You just hope they realize how good the current Pitt HC is at coaching this position.

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    4. Anonymous 2:37 - the recruitment of quality OL and DB's.. or lack thereof in the Wannstedt years had little to do with him getting fired.

      Here's what did:

      1) - he was hired to win a weak Big East Championship and to get into a BCS game.

      In 5 years at the job, he failed to do so - came close w/ the Cincinnati game but...no cigar.

      2) - his players got in too much trouble - one guy beats up his girlfriend - another gets caught for drunken driving and a 3rd throws a guy through the window.

      And, there were more...

      If he HAD won the Big East by beating Cincinnati that year OR, did not and his players were squeaky clean, he'd likely still be at Pitt.

      3) - Steve Pederson's ego prevented him from taking a back seat to the "mostly" beloved Wannstedt.

      Three strikes above and he's was O-U-T.

      And then, the fiasco began but, with a new Chancellor and AD in place now along with this great coaching staff hire, we're likely and very fortunate to have righted this ship.

      Because, not many programs would have recovered from the Haywood and Graham hires.

      Pitt FINALLY has everything in place to be very successful...at least now in FB.

      People will bust my balls - don't care - Pitt wins 10 games this year - save this post.

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    5. So I guess Sheard should have walked away from a guy who was starting a fight with him? Maybe Sheard should have gone back a THIRD time to the store owner to apologize since two times wasn't enough. I thought the police report said both men were engaged when going through the door with the other guy going through the door first?

      Wannstedt was fired because Pederson hated how much Dave was beloved at the university compared to him. Then the run of arrests in 2010 was used on Nordenberg to sign off on the firing. Wannstedt never hesitated to kick kids out of school, even ones who produced, like Tamarcus Porter and Tommie Duhart -- two kids who other schools would have kept on board.

      Pitt's arrest record paled in comparison to PSU's when Paterno called it a witch hunt and what Florida had under Meyer. But, boy some of those Gator teams were fantastic, even the 2009 team that went 12-1.

      I agree Pitt has all in place to be a winner, but they won't win big without some bad seeds and kids appearing in the police blotter.

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    6. Beloved? Uh, no.
      Wannstedt was ultimately fired simply because he didn't win enough games.

      Besides, Jamie Dixon is (or at least was) the far more "beloved" coach. By your logic, he'd have been fired about 5 years ago also.

      But hey, keep living in the past. Pitt fans seem to excel in that.

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    7. You have no clue. Keep waiting for the next Pitt coach that wins 27 of his last 39 games.

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    8. By your logic, coaches like Gene Chizik or Mark Mangino would never be fired either.

      What I really find interesting is your tone. Sounds like you want Narduzzi to fail, so you can keep attempting to spout that line about Wannstedt.
      There's a fanbase in a cow pasture to the east that has same mindset with a previous head coach.

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  8. If any of you guys heard Paul Zeise tonight on the FAN interviewing his son, you would see why the Narduzzi model is head and shoulders about the Sleepy Paul model. Narduzzi has them in shape and believing in themselves now. They are fired up...

    As for recruiting, Narduzzi was hired late, so I would say he and his staff have done a very good job so far. I'm very much looking forward to what he's going to do recruiting over the next 2-3 years. That should more help to define how he and his staff are doing recruiting.

    I would be very amazed if they don't do great. Exciting coaches are usually very good recruiters. Just like DW....

    Now Potato Paul and Dixon are another matter....

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  9. Chris don't you fine the recruitment of Rowan kid A little strange.?

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    1. It was shadier than hell. His dad is awful and his son doesn't appear to be much better.

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    2. ^ That right there is why you have a loyal following^ love that you keep it real. Of course "State" is a 3 stripe school & of course "they" choose the weakest of the Adidas family because no way the coaches at KU, LU & UCLA would put up with the constant jockeying. So much time has passed since they were so honored to stay home & play in the ACC while home/charter schooling reclassifying transferring wow. ptbreezeb

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  10. When The Mole said this would happen on the blog about a year ago, I got eaten alive by all the bloggers including Doke, but I know Rowan personally and he hasn't changed one bit since he came back from overseas, the Dad feels like someone owes him and his son something and truthfully speaking, NO ONE DOES

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    1. I didn't say it wouldn't happen. I said wait until it happens before worrying about it. It was no secret that his dad is a major jerk.

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    2. I saw a warning sign that originally he would have turned 20 in his freshman year at Pitt if he hadn't attended summer school and reclassified. I believe he is already 19.

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    3. what really is a shame is C Diallo and D Wilson may not qualify because Our Savior New American School may not have a quality curriculum. My guess is that both of them are better students than Rowan.

      Could Our Savior New American School be the high school version of UNC?

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  11. That's a pretty fair assessment. His recruiting has been a little underwhelming to date. He has fewer recruits than Chryst at this point in their respective careers at Pitt. But it's not fair to grade him until signing day. Understandably, most of our big fish are in wait and see mode. Narduzzi has the fan base fired up and the administration is financially committed. Now he just needs to win, or at least do the un-Pitt like thing and avoid embarasent. Win the first 3 and he'll have exercised olChrysts demons even if we end up 7-5.

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  12. Newkirk is transferring. Better hope Damon Wilson is eligible because there is no other player who can play backup at the point. Sounds like Newkirk was going to have microfracture surgery and miss the season. Perfect time for him to transfer I guess. I had high hopes after the NC State game his freshman season. He hit five or six 3s in that game.

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  13. Newkirk is many in a line of Dixon recruits who are good athletes, but not really that skilled at putting the ball in the bucket. Best Newkirk moment was the steal and bucket at end of Clemson game in '14, right? No loss otherwise.

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  14. How many scholarship players are currently left at PITT?

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    1. Twelve and it's a TBD on Wilson with the NCAA. Those damn prep schools. Some just stink at making sure kids will be eligible with the coursework needed.

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  15. Rashad Wheeler commits to Pitt!! H2P!!

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