Friday, March 11, 2016

Rating the basketball jobs in the ACC

Paul Zeise, Mike DeCourcy, and I had a long, spirited discussion on Twitter today after I said that Pitt was about the 40th best job in America. DeCourcy is one of many national guys that think is. Mike and I have many conversations about this and he thinks Pitt is about the ninth or tenth best job in the ACC. Zeise, on Twitter, thinks Pitt is about fourth or fifth. I often disagree with DeCourcy about where Pitt stands, but I think Zeise is a little too optimistic. Without looking too deep into it, I thought Pitt was around sixth or so. So I decided to do a closer, very unscientific look into it to see where Pitt stands.

Remember that this is a rating of the best jobs, not the best programs. That means, if you were a coach, and the money was equal, and none of the schools were your alma mater or hometown, which would rate the best, and which would rate the worse. I looked at these factors- brand, recruiting area, facilities, budget. Rather than rate them 1-15 (how could you rate North Carolina, Duke, and Louisville in order), I gave each program a rating of 1-5, with 5 being the best. Then I totaled them to come pup with an order.

Brand (specifically over the last 10 years or so)

5 North Carolina
5 Duke
5 Louisville
5 Syracuse
4 Pittsburgh
4 NC State
4 Notre Dame
3 Virginia
3 Miami
3 Georgia Tech
3 Wake Forest
2 Florida State
2 Clemson
2 Virginia Tech
1 Boston College


Recruiting Area

5 North Carolina
5 Duke
5 Louisville
5 NC State
5 Georgia Tech
4 Virginia
4 Virginia Tech
4 Wake Forest
3 Syracuse
3 Notre Dame
3 Miami
3 Florida State
2 Clemson
1 Pittsburgh
1 Boston College


Facilities

5 North Carolina
5 Duke
5 Syracuse
5 Louisville
5 Pittsburgh
5 NC State
5 Virginia
3 Wake Forest
3 Clemson
3 Georgia Tech
3 Notre Dame
3 Florida State
2 Miami
1 Boston College
1 Virginia Tech


Expenses (These are correct. Source is Department of Education)

5 Duke
5 Louisville
5 Syracuse
4 Virginia Tech
4 Pittsburgh
4 North Carolina
4 Virginia
4 NC State
3 Wake Forest
3 Florida State
3 Miami
3 Notre Dame
2 Clemson
2 Georgia Tech
2 Boston College

Total

1. Duke 20
1. Louisville 20
3. North Carolina 19
4. Syracuse 18
5. NC State 17
6. Virginia 16
7. Pittsburgh 14
8. Notre Dame 13
8. Wake Forest 13
8. Georgia Tech 13
11. Miami 11
11. Virginia Tech 11
11. Florida State 11
14. Clemson 9
15. Boston College 5




13 comments:

  1. Not sure of your recruiting area ratings. Va Tech a 4? ND close to Chicago a 3? Cuse with a pipeline to NYC/Eastern Seaboard a 3?

    bill

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    1. Chicago hasn't had a lot of great players for decades. And Syracuse only gets players from those places because of Boeheim.

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    2. Huh? Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, Cliff Alexander. The highest rated recruits in the country over the last couple of years.

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  2. Notre Dame is one of the top 10 programs in overall wins and is a national brand. No question they should be ahead of Pitt and probably in the top 5 of the ACC.

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    1. Their football program is a national brand. Their basketball program is considered just another good program.

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    2. Only 7 programs have more wins which puts them only behind UNC, Duke and Syracuse. They might be the most underrated basketball program in the country. Looking at their roster currently and in the past- ND hoops can pull very good recruits from both coasts. I think that them a national brand too.

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  3. Miami facilities a 2?..lol. Their arena is newer and nicer than pitts

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    1. I asked various beat writers around the ACC as well as a few assistant coaches. They weren't fond of Miami's facilities.

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  4. IMHO, Pitt's recruiting area has gotten worse due to its leaving the BE for the ACC. New York, New Jersey and Philly kids are and will be less interested in Pitt as a result. DC/MD may have also gotten worse with Maryland in the Big vs ACC.

    The conference move was very bad overall for Pitt hoops although arguably better for football, IMHO.

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    1. Bigger problem is a lot of those cities, New York especially aren't producing players nearly as frequently as they used to. It has less to do with Pitt leaving the Big East and more to do with the well running dry.

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  5. Recruiting area as defined by how many players come from how far away? Draw a circle around Pitt with a 5 hr drive or less and we have a very good recruiting area. Add in the good airport where Philly/DC/NY/Chicago/Charlotte are cheap and quick. If it is metro areas that are within a close drive Pitt has to be higher, but if it is players wihtin a 60 mile radius I could see the 1 rating.
    I would rate that one part more of a 2.5-3. We definitely do not have a national recruiting base like a Duke/UNC/Louisville/SYR with Boeheim. pghfan1992

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  6. Has Pitt given up on Philly and Eastern Pa for recruiting? We pulled some good players out of there in the past: Wannamaker; Robinson; and Patterson. Seems like Philly area has some talent in 2017 too with the kid from Reading.

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    1. I am sure I am wrong, but I think the move to the ACC hurt the Philly recruiting. It appears they are similar to NYC and such that they would rather stay and play in the BIG or old BIG East schools that play closer to home rather than at Pitt and the ACC down south. Just my opinion.

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